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2013-10-24 02:11:42 PM
This isn't a case of one bad apple but the result of a systemic problem.  Evidence labs can't be part of the prosecution team, because it creates a very powerful perverse incentive to falsify evidence.  Evidence labs should be independent of the prosecution.  Balko has made this point repeatedly.
 
2013-10-24 02:45:23 PM
She's got a Mindy Kaling-thing going on.

massgovscandals.com
 
2013-10-24 02:45:41 PM
I see the outrage is directed at the "hundreds of criminals" that were released, instead of the innocents that might have been wrongly jailed as a result of this sociopath's faking of evidence..
 
2013-10-24 02:47:08 PM

4tehsnowflakes: This isn't a case of one bad apple but the result of a systemic problem.  Evidence labs can't be part of the prosecution team, because it creates a very powerful perverse incentive to falsify evidence.  Evidence labs should be independent of the prosecution.  Balko has made this point repeatedly.


This. I suspect the prosecutors in this case want her to go away for a long time, so she won't be available to talk about just how corrupt the system is and how they were encouraged to give results that matched whatever they needed it to.
 
2013-10-24 02:50:07 PM
People get arrested for this? And face jail?

Too bad she's not in North Carolina - not only would she keep her job and salary, but she could give  interviews to the local paper saying "Fark you."
 
2013-10-24 02:51:33 PM
I am sure she will do well in a prision where there are inmates she testified against.
 
2013-10-24 02:58:20 PM
4tehsnowflakes: This isn't a case of one bad apple but the result of a systemic problem.

Exactly. A DA's sentencing recommendation is routinely hyperbolic grandstanding, but the real issue here is that if they throw the book at her, it makes it so much harder for them to ignore the fact that there was obviously no sufficient oversight of any kind.

If she could so easily fake so much evidence, then obviously so could anyone else in her position. And if that didn't force changes to be made before this scandal even broke, then the lack of oversight probably extends to many other parts of the system.

The fact that she got away with so much, so easily, indicates that the entire prosecutorial engine is untrustworthy and needs to be redesigned and rebuilt. And they don't want to address that, so they're going to let her off lightly and try to sweep this under the rug as much as they can.
 
2013-10-24 02:59:25 PM
*GASP!!!*
Corruption favoring the system in Boston?
The city with the filthiest cops in the world?
Say it ain't so.
 
2013-10-24 03:01:16 PM

4tehsnowflakes: This isn't a case of one bad apple but the result of a systemic problem.  Evidence labs can't be part of the prosecution team, because it creates a very powerful perverse incentive to falsify evidence.  Evidence labs should be independent of the prosecution.  Balko has made this point repeatedly.


In this case though, her results were benefiting the DEFENSE teams, not the prosecutors.
 
2013-10-24 03:05:33 PM

knobmaker: I see the outrage is directed at the "hundreds of criminals" that were released, instead of the innocents that might have been wrongly jailed as a result of this sociopath's faking of evidence..


To add to the fun, we're already seeing the first wave of people released due to this case getting arrested again.

So is it, see? They are criminals and likely were guilty in the first place.

Or, see? The penal system takes people and turns them in to criminals?

/[why not both girl.jpg]
 
2013-10-24 03:07:18 PM

kidgenius: 4tehsnowflakes: This isn't a case of one bad apple but the result of a systemic problem.  Evidence labs can't be part of the prosecution team, because it creates a very powerful perverse incentive to falsify evidence.  Evidence labs should be independent of the prosecution.  Balko has made this point repeatedly.

In this case though, her results were benefiting the DEFENSE teams, not the prosecutors.



No. She was pencil whipping lab reports to show that confiscated substances were in fact what the cops said they were.
What benefited defense teams is that she was caught, thus making every test she ran suspect, resulting in charges being dismissed or overturned on appeal. The prosecution and the police I'm sure were very happy with her work, right up until it became obvious not tests were actually being run.
 
2013-10-24 03:25:09 PM

Wellon Dowd: She's got a Mindy Kaling-thing going on.

[massgovscandals.com image 665x340]


Yes, I'd hit it like an oarfish on the California coastline
 
2013-10-24 03:26:19 PM
On November 5, 2010, Mehserle was sentenced to two years with double credit for time already served, reducing his term by 292 days for the 146 days he has already spent in jail.[124] The judge overturned the gun enhancement, which could have added an additional 3 to 10 years to the sentence.[125][126] He was released from prison at 12:01 am on June 13, 2011.

she would have gotten less time for murdering a black kid if she were a cop ....
 
2013-10-24 03:28:27 PM

buzzcut73: kidgenius: 4tehsnowflakes: This isn't a case of one bad apple but the result of a systemic problem.  Evidence labs can't be part of the prosecution team, because it creates a very powerful perverse incentive to falsify evidence.  Evidence labs should be independent of the prosecution.  Balko has made this point repeatedly.

In this case though, her results were benefiting the DEFENSE teams, not the prosecutors.


No. She was pencil whipping lab reports to show that confiscated substances were in fact what the cops said they were.
What benefited defense teams is that she was caught, thus making every test she ran suspect, resulting in charges being dismissed or overturned on appeal. The prosecution and the police I'm sure were very happy with her work, right up until it became obvious not tests were actually being run.


How were they not charged with conspiracy? 
THEY had to know that she was making everything up, given that they knew that they were giving her questionable things to test in the first place ....
 
2013-10-24 03:28:37 PM

knobmaker: I see the outrage is directed at the "hundreds of criminals" that were released, instead of the innocents that might have been wrongly jailed as a result of this sociopath's faking of evidence..


Yeah...that's the Herald for you.
 
2013-10-24 03:29:37 PM

RandomAxe: 4tehsnowflakes: This isn't a case of one bad apple but the result of a systemic problem.

Exactly. A DA's sentencing recommendation is routinely hyperbolic grandstanding, but the real issue here is that if they throw the book at her, it makes it so much harder for them to ignore the fact that there was obviously no sufficient oversight of any kind.


No, no it's not.  Sentencing recommendations have to be within guidelines, and there are very specific things prosecutors are able to cite to justify particular levels.  Your complaint sounds like someone who has never actually been a party to a sentencing.

If she could so easily fake so much evidence, then obviously so could anyone else in her position. And if that didn't force changes to be made before this scandal even broke, then the lack of oversight probably extends to many other parts of the system.

The fact that she got away with so much, so easily, indicates that the entire prosecutorial engine is untrustworthy and needs to be redesigned and rebuilt. And they don't want to address that, so they're going to let her off lightly and try to sweep this under the rug as much as they can.


That makes no sense.  What she got away with would have been possible not because of the lack of "oversight" but rather because the opposing side never bothered to challenge her work . They saw her work, over and over, and just didn't give it enough attention.

The attorneys on  bothsides of her cases bear a heavy burden in how successful her fraud was.
 
2013-10-24 03:30:21 PM
As a chemist, I want her stripped of any professional accreditation and distinction she possesses.  In addition to helping convict who knows how many innocents (which I admit is the greater wrong here, but others have covered that already), she's sullied the good name of science.  Scientists are already under attack from corporate and religious interests who find reality threatening, and she's just given them a whole pile of ammunition.

She claimed she was doing a PhD at Harvard in her spare time.  None of her co-workers seemed to find this strange.
 
2013-10-24 03:31:18 PM
So, situation normal, all farked up? She's getting a slap and a hefty pension because they don't want you to know she is the fall-person. Don't think this is over: the next appointed person will find the same results, because unless they totally screw with the woman who just went to jail for them, the system will just continue. If they do screw with her pension, she'll just release all the records that show the corruption going all the way to the top.
 
2013-10-24 03:33:43 PM

namatad: buzzcut73: kidgenius: 4tehsnowflakes: This isn't a case of one bad apple but the result of a systemic problem.  Evidence labs can't be part of the prosecution team, because it creates a very powerful perverse incentive to falsify evidence.  Evidence labs should be independent of the prosecution.  Balko has made this point repeatedly.

In this case though, her results were benefiting the DEFENSE teams, not the prosecutors.


No. She was pencil whipping lab reports to show that confiscated substances were in fact what the cops said they were.
What benefited defense teams is that she was caught, thus making every test she ran suspect, resulting in charges being dismissed or overturned on appeal. The prosecution and the police I'm sure were very happy with her work, right up until it became obvious not tests were actually being run.

How were they not charged with conspiracy? 
THEY had to know that she was making everything up, given that they knew that they were giving her questionable things to test in the first place ....


How do you figure?  The accusation is that she only tested a  fraction of the materials given to her, not that she never tested any.
 
2013-10-24 03:35:04 PM

namatad: buzzcut73: kidgenius: 4tehsnowflakes: This isn't a case of one bad apple but the result of a systemic problem.  Evidence labs can't be part of the prosecution team, because it creates a very powerful perverse incentive to falsify evidence.  Evidence labs should be independent of the prosecution.  Balko has made this point repeatedly.

In this case though, her results were benefiting the DEFENSE teams, not the prosecutors.


No. She was pencil whipping lab reports to show that confiscated substances were in fact what the cops said they were.
What benefited defense teams is that she was caught, thus making every test she ran suspect, resulting in charges being dismissed or overturned on appeal. The prosecution and the police I'm sure were very happy with her work, right up until it became obvious not tests were actually being run.

How were they not charged with conspiracy?
THEY had to know that she was making everything up, given that they knew that they were giving her questionable things to test in the first place ....


I wouldn't be surprised if the cops and prosecutors didn't know...it's not like on TV, where they taste the drugs when they catch the bad guy, and go, "Yup, cocaine!!!".

Also, quite a lot of the guys who've been released have already been re-arrested...on more drug charges.  It's not like the cops have to bother faking evidence to keep their arrest stats up.

Lastly, they ARE dealing with the problem, letting guys out, re-trying others, cutting plea deals.
A cynical man might observe they're focusing on this scandal because there's a potentially much worse issue coming down the pike for the prosecutors here in Mass, and they don't want to even think about it.  It's kind of dull and technical, but could be a much bigger pain in the ass than this Dookhan mess.  Suffice it to say they've been ignoring a state supreme court decision for quite some time now.
 
2013-10-24 03:36:43 PM

PunGent: namatad: buzzcut73: kidgenius: 4tehsnowflakes:

  Suffice it to say they've been ignoring a state supreme court decision for quite some time now.


Go on ...
 
2013-10-24 03:40:05 PM

buzzcut73: 4tehsnowflakes: This isn't a case of one bad apple but the result of a systemic problem.  Evidence labs can't be part of the prosecution team, because it creates a very powerful perverse incentive to falsify evidence.  Evidence labs should be independent of the prosecution.  Balko has made this point repeatedly.

This. I suspect the prosecutors in this case want her to go away for a long time, so she won't be available to talk about just how corrupt the system is and how they were encouraged to give results that matched whatever they needed it to.


I won't say our system is a paragon of virtue, but my defense attorney buddies are pretty convinced it was a one-way street; ie, Dookhan was doing this pretty much of her own volition, with no prompting from the DA's.

You could argue they SHOULD have known what was going on, and I might agree.  But most of my fellow lawyers treat labs as black boxes; they don't know or understand what goes in inside them, and only care about the results.  I'm probably the exception, along with patent attorneys, since I've worked in bio and chem labs, albeit many years ago.

Heck, if they could do science, they wouldn't have settled for law school :)
(seriously, patent attorneys make WAY more than DAs, or the average defense attorney)

Not making light of or excusing the situation, but it's not "omg, everyone in the state is corrupt."
 
2013-10-24 03:44:13 PM

sdd2000: I am sure she will do well in a prision where there are inmates she testified against.


Fortunately for her, it looks like there won't be many of those until they get re-arrested.
 
2013-10-24 03:44:17 PM
Aww come on, does anybody really buy the lie that she and she alone is the scumsucking sociopath that ran this business plan for years?
The prosecution team, man, prosecute the prosecutors!
OH, and the politicians that ran on the falsified protecting and serving bullchit.
Let us not forget them.
 
2013-10-24 03:45:27 PM
What is it with drug lab employees and faking or falsifying their reports? When I live in San Francisco, there was one as well. Whole bunch of people got released, much to the chagrin of Kamala Harris.
 
2013-10-24 03:47:14 PM

PunGent: buzzcut73: 4tehsnowflakes: This isn't a case of one bad apple but the result of a systemic problem.  Evidence labs can't be part of the prosecution team, because it creates a very powerful perverse incentive to falsify evidence.  Evidence labs should be independent of the prosecution.  Balko has made this point repeatedly.

This. I suspect the prosecutors in this case want her to go away for a long time, so she won't be available to talk about just how corrupt the system is and how they were encouraged to give results that matched whatever they needed it to.

I won't say our system is a paragon of virtue, but my defense attorney buddies are pretty convinced it was a one-way street; ie, Dookhan was doing this pretty much of her own volition, with no prompting from the DA's.

You could argue they SHOULD have known what was going on, and I might agree.  But most of my fellow lawyers treat labs as black boxes; they don't know or understand what goes in inside them, and only care about the results.  I'm probably the exception, along with patent attorneys, since I've worked in bio and chem labs, albeit many years ago.

Heck, if they could do science, they wouldn't have settled for law school :)
(seriously, patent attorneys make WAY more than DAs, or the average defense attorney)

Not making light of or excusing the situation, but it's not "omg, everyone in the state is corrupt."


There is something really poetically stupid to claim that lawyers are ignorant of the system they flourish within.
Come back to the real world.
 
2013-10-24 03:51:57 PM

mattharvest: Sentencing recommendations have to be within guidelines, and there are very specific things prosecutors are able to cite to justify particular levels.


But "justice" or "evidence that this particular sentencing structure will deter future crime" are not among those guidelines, so whatever guidelines they're using are pretty arbitrary in the first place.

And we routinely charge people with a whole series of crimes for a single act, which has the same effect as inflating sentences and again no relation to the promotion of justice or the prevention of crime, which are theoretically the reason the system exists.
 
2013-10-24 03:54:38 PM
From TFA comments: "Judges appointed by dems will slaw by give easy sentences."

This is what happens when you replace history and science books with The Bible in school and ignore most other subjects as well. I've seen more coherent comments on Youtube cat videos.

/teaparty like typing detected
 
2013-10-24 03:56:34 PM

palelizard: sdd2000: I am sure she will do well in a prision where there are inmates she testified against.

Fortunately for her, it looks like there won't be many of those until they get re-arrested.


She probably won't got to a PYITA prison.
 
2013-10-24 03:58:05 PM

snocone: PunGent: buzzcut73: 4tehsnowflakes: This isn't a case of one bad apple but the result of a systemic problem.  Evidence labs can't be part of the prosecution team, because it creates a very powerful perverse incentive to falsify evidence.  Evidence labs should be independent of the prosecution.  Balko has made this point repeatedly.

This. I suspect the prosecutors in this case want her to go away for a long time, so she won't be available to talk about just how corrupt the system is and how they were encouraged to give results that matched whatever they needed it to.

I won't say our system is a paragon of virtue, but my defense attorney buddies are pretty convinced it was a one-way street; ie, Dookhan was doing this pretty much of her own volition, with no prompting from the DA's.

You could argue they SHOULD have known what was going on, and I might agree.  But most of my fellow lawyers treat labs as black boxes; they don't know or understand what goes in inside them, and only care about the results.  I'm probably the exception, along with patent attorneys, since I've worked in bio and chem labs, albeit many years ago.

Heck, if they could do science, they wouldn't have settled for law school :)
(seriously, patent attorneys make WAY more than DAs, or the average defense attorney)

Not making light of or excusing the situation, but it's not "omg, everyone in the state is corrupt."

There is something really poetically stupid to claim that lawyers are ignorant of the system they flourish within.
Come back to the real world.


snocone: PunGent: buzzcut73: 4tehsnowflakes: This isn't a case of one bad apple but the result of a systemic problem.  Evidence labs can't be part of the prosecution team, because it creates a very powerful perverse incentive to falsify evidence.  Evidence labs should be independent of the prosecution.  Balko has made this point repeatedly.

This. I suspect the prosecutors in this case want her to go away for a long time, so she won't be available to talk about just how corrupt the system is and how they were encouraged to give results that matched whatever they needed it to.

I won't say our system is a paragon of virtue, but my defense attorney buddies are pretty convinced it was a one-way street; ie, Dookhan was doing this pretty much of her own volition, with no prompting from the DA's.

You could argue they SHOULD have known what was going on, and I might agree.  But most of my fellow lawyers treat labs as black boxes; they don't know or understand what goes in inside them, and only care about the results.  I'm probably the exception, along with patent attorneys, since I've worked in bio and chem labs, albeit many years ago.

Heck, if they could do science, they wouldn't have settled for law school :)
(seriously, patent attorneys make WAY more than DAs, or the average defense attorney)

Not making light of or excusing the situation, but it's not "omg, everyone in the state is corrupt."

There is something really poetically stupid to claim that lawyers are ignorant of the system they flourish within.
Come back to the real world.


Describing what I've seen first hand isn't stupid.

And tunnel vision isn't restricted to law.  I see from your profile you've got 20 years in the medical field.

I'd tell you how many clueless and incompetent nurses and doctors I've run into over the years, but I'd run out of space.

Let me start with two:  one, a trauma nurse, qualified on the M16, mind you,  in my old unit...who didn't understand that bullets came out of cartridges.  Had to explain it to her, at length, one day, while we were loading magazines.  And this was a woman who'd helped pull bullets OUT of people during surgery at Mass General.

Another favorite, a doc who couldn't do basic math:
It literally took me twenty minutes to explain to him that his $4500 a year in insurance premiums over 8 years were more money than the $16,000 he would've spent getting his appendix out, without said health insurance.

Heck, we had a nuke engineer right here on Fark, who said, quote "A tsunami following an earthquake is unforseeable."

Talk about poetically stupid.  One prefers to think people running nuclear reactors are smarter than fifth graders, but life is full of disappointments.
 
2013-10-24 04:02:58 PM
Isn't is strange the article goes out of its way to spin the shiat out of the repercussions of her actions?

No mention of the vacated convictions based on fraudulent evidence, only that criminals (presumably those who were convicted on this twat's 'evidence') were released early.

No mention of the innocent parties incarcerated due to sloppy lab work, only that some people that were 'released early' have re-offended.

If a conviction is overturned, isn't that person no longer a criminal? (Yes, they may have committed other crimes in that past, but I'm certain the reporter has no idea if this is the case, so why continue calling these people criminals?)

And.....AAARGH!  I can't even find the words.
 
2013-10-24 04:09:51 PM

mattharvest: How were they not charged with conspiracy? 
THEY had to know that she was making everything up, given that they knew that they were giving her questionable things to test in the first place ....

How do you figure?  The accusation is that she only tested a  fraction of the materials given to her, not that she never tested any.


They gave her 100 things to test. They knew that it was impossible for all 100 to be drugs. (common sense, nothing is perfect)
She tested 1% 10%, whatever. She wrote that 100% of them were drugs.

therefore they knew that there must be something wrong with her reports.
or they were stupid
or both
 
2013-10-24 04:10:11 PM

psychopathic tendencies: Isn't is strange the article goes out of its way to spin the shiat out of the repercussions of her actions?

No mention of the vacated convictions based on fraudulent evidence, only that criminals (presumably those who were convicted on this twat's 'evidence') were released early.

No mention of the innocent parties incarcerated due to sloppy lab work, only that some people that were 'released early' have re-offended.

If a conviction is overturned, isn't that person no longer a criminal? (Yes, they may have committed other crimes in that past, but I'm certain the reporter has no idea if this is the case, so why continue calling these people criminals?)

And.....AAARGH!  I can't even find the words.


Yeah...it's the Herald.

Think of it as printed Fox News, for those who move their lips when they read.

/to be fair, they've done some good investigative work in the past
 
2013-10-24 04:10:18 PM

Bondith: As a chemist, I want her stripped of any professional accreditation and distinction she possesses.  In addition to helping convict who knows how many innocents (which I admit is the greater wrong here, but others have covered that already), she's sullied the good name of science.  Scientists are already under attack from corporate and religious interests who find reality threatening, and she's just given them a whole pile of ammunition.

She claimed she was doing a PhD at Harvard in her spare time.  None of her co-workers seemed to find this strange.


Indeed. I'm sure it is easy to analyze 500 samples/month, 3-10x more than her co-workers, while working on a PhD at Harvard.  Not like there are any research requirements at Harvard that take time or anything.

Seriously, how could her co-workers not realize something was going on?
 
2013-10-24 04:15:35 PM

snocone: Aww come on, does anybody really buy the lie that she and she alone is the scumsucking sociopath that ran this business plan for years?
The prosecution team, man, prosecute the prosecutors!
OH, and the politicians that ran on the falsified protecting and serving bullchit.
Let us not forget them.


"Business plan" implies she was paid, when all the evidence so far shows she did this on her own time, by putting in lots of unpaid overtime.  Frankly, she reminds me of that slightly nutty woman profiled in the documentary "Thin Blue Line", who really, REALLY wanted to help the cops...never mind that it put potentially innocent folks in jail.

If she'd been paid, they'd be prosecuting whoever paid her...because she'd have rolled over on him for a lower sentence.
 
2013-10-24 04:16:54 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: What is it with drug lab employees and faking or falsifying their reports? When I live in San Francisco, there was one as well. Whole bunch of people got released, much to the chagrin of Kamala Harris.


much easier to fake results than to actually do your job. people slack off on all jobs, so nothing really surprising here. The real issue was why didnt the defense question the results of ALL TESTING.
1) your honor, there has been no surprise testing, no validation, no inspection of the lab since it was certified, IE paid its fees.
2) simple science could have verified the labs quality. she gets 20 things to test via the normal channels. X percent of them are fakes. Her error rate should be close to zero. When it is anything other than zero, you de-certify the lab.

I need to make a call to my defense attorney. we could have fun with this one. Esp since some judges dont like to just assume that the DA is legit.
 
2013-10-24 04:19:22 PM

snocone: There is something really poetically stupid to claim that lawyers are ignorant of the system they flourish within.
Come back to the real world.


THIS

img.fark.net

Nope. No idea why you're flagged as hero, but keep up the good fight.
 
2013-10-24 04:25:02 PM

PunGent: Heck, we had a nuke engineer right here on Fark, who said, quote "A tsunami following an earthquake is unforseeable."

Talk about poetically stupid.  One prefers to think people running nuclear reactors are smarter than fifth graders, but life is full of disappointments.


yes and no
It is correct to say that there are dumb people. Drs, lawyers, people who post on fark.
But it would be improbable to say that all the DAs were stupid.

If you are going to use anecdotes, I know a couple ex-DAs from Cook County who are fricking certified geniuses.

You also conflated good at one thing with being good at all things.
The DR who couldnt add, was he a TERRIBLE doctor?
The trauma nurse who was a bit slow on bullets and guns, was she a terrible nurse?

/I agree, that you would think that a certain amount of knowledge is kind of OBVIOUS, but that is just our prejudice.
 
2013-10-24 04:25:36 PM

psychopathic tendencies: Isn't is strange the article goes out of its way to spin the shiat out of the repercussions of her actions? .....AAARGH!  I can't even find the words.


Yeah, but disgraced chemist is still kind of hot.
 
2013-10-24 04:26:45 PM

psychopathic tendencies: Isn't is strange the article goes out of its way to spin the shiat out of the repercussions of her actions?

No mention of the vacated convictions based on fraudulent evidence, only that criminals (presumably those who were convicted on this twat's 'evidence') were released early.

No mention of the innocent parties incarcerated due to sloppy lab work, only that some people that were 'released early' have re-offended.

If a conviction is overturned, isn't that person no longer a criminal? (Yes, they may have committed other crimes in that past, but I'm certain the reporter has no idea if this is the case, so why continue calling these people criminals?)

And.....AAARGH!  I can't even find the words.


THIS !!!!


PunGent:
snocone: Aww come on, does anybody really buy the lie that she and she alone is the scumsucking sociopath that ran this business plan for years?
The prosecution team, man, prosecute the prosecutors!
OH, and the politicians that ran on the falsified protecting and serving bullchit.
Let us not forget them.

"Business plan" implies she was paid, when all the evidence so far shows she did this on her own time, by putting in lots of unpaid overtime.  Frankly, she reminds me of that slightly nutty woman profiled in the documentary "Thin Blue Line", who really, REALLY wanted to help the cops...never mind that it put potentially innocent folks in jail.

If she'd been paid, they'd be prosecuting whoever paid her...because she'd have rolled over on him for a lower sentence.


WAIT?! WHAT THE fark?!!!
I give up. she is insane
 
2013-10-24 04:49:00 PM

PunGent: snocone: Aww come on, does anybody really buy the lie that she and she alone is the scumsucking sociopath that ran this business plan for years?
The prosecution team, man, prosecute the prosecutors!
OH, and the politicians that ran on the falsified protecting and serving bullchit.
Let us not forget them.

"Business plan" implies she was paid, when all the evidence so far shows she did this on her own time, by putting in lots of unpaid overtime.  Frankly, she reminds me of that slightly nutty woman profiled in the documentary "Thin Blue Line", who really, REALLY wanted to help the cops...never mind that it put potentially innocent folks in jail.

If she'd been paid, they'd be prosecuting whoever paid her...because she'd have rolled over on him for a lower sentence.


Sure she would, if her boss were not "Too Big To Jail".
Where did you, oh, wait, when you grow up, you will understand these things.
 
2013-10-24 05:00:05 PM

snocone: PunGent: snocone: Aww come on, does anybody really buy the lie that she and she alone is the scumsucking sociopath that ran this business plan for years?
The prosecution team, man, prosecute the prosecutors!
OH, and the politicians that ran on the falsified protecting and serving bullchit.
Let us not forget them.

"Business plan" implies she was paid, when all the evidence so far shows she did this on her own time, by putting in lots of unpaid overtime.  Frankly, she reminds me of that slightly nutty woman profiled in the documentary "Thin Blue Line", who really, REALLY wanted to help the cops...never mind that it put potentially innocent folks in jail.

If she'd been paid, they'd be prosecuting whoever paid her...because she'd have rolled over on him for a lower sentence.

Sure she would, if her boss were not "Too Big To Jail".
Where did you, oh, wait, when you grow up, you will understand these things.


I get paid $250 an hour to understand "these things."  How YOU doing?

I note I already had you coded Redtard Red, and all the ad hominems ain't helping your case.

Giving up on the whole "business plan" angle already?  too hard to back your crap up?

Talk about childish.
 
2013-10-24 05:06:17 PM

namatad: psychopathic tendencies: Isn't is strange the article goes out of its way to spin the shiat out of the repercussions of her actions?

No mention of the vacated convictions based on fraudulent evidence, only that criminals (presumably those who were convicted on this twat's 'evidence') were released early.

No mention of the innocent parties incarcerated due to sloppy lab work, only that some people that were 'released early' have re-offended.

If a conviction is overturned, isn't that person no longer a criminal? (Yes, they may have committed other crimes in that past, but I'm certain the reporter has no idea if this is the case, so why continue calling these people criminals?)

And.....AAARGH!  I can't even find the words.

THIS !!!!


PunGent: snocone: Aww come on, does anybody really buy the lie that she and she alone is the scumsucking sociopath that ran this business plan for years?
The prosecution team, man, prosecute the prosecutors!
OH, and the politicians that ran on the falsified protecting and serving bullchit.
Let us not forget them.

"Business plan" implies she was paid, when all the evidence so far shows she did this on her own time, by putting in lots of unpaid overtime.  Frankly, she reminds me of that slightly nutty woman profiled in the documentary "Thin Blue Line", who really, REALLY wanted to help the cops...never mind that it put potentially innocent folks in jail.

If she'd been paid, they'd be prosecuting whoever paid her...because she'd have rolled over on him for a lower sentence.

WAIT?! WHAT THE fark?!!!
I give up. she is insane


Yep...long profile piece on her a few months back...new chemists would get hired, and be boggled at the amount of time she'd put in.

Makes you wish all public employees were as dedicated as she was...except, you know, the whole batshiat aspect...

Her supervisor (who resigned) certainly wasn't going to complain; she was making the stats look good.  SHOULD he have looked more closely?  Hell, yes.  You could even make out a case for negligence against him, I'd say.  I'd bet old-fashioned incompetence, though, rather than malice...I don't think he had any scientific training.

No argument that it's retarded to put someone w/o scientific training in charge of a lab...but I've got buddies in private sector biotech in exactly that position.

That pointy-haired boss in Dilbert?

He's very, very real...
 
2013-10-24 05:07:48 PM

4tehsnowflakes: psychopathic tendencies: Isn't is strange the article goes out of its way to spin the shiat out of the repercussions of her actions? .....AAARGH!  I can't even find the words.

Yeah, but disgraced chemist is still kind of hot.


Yes, yes she is...an exotic flower.

Where's that hot/crazy graph?
 
2013-10-24 05:14:37 PM

namatad: PunGent: Heck, we had a nuke engineer right here on Fark, who said, quote "A tsunami following an earthquake is unforseeable."

Talk about poetically stupid.  One prefers to think people running nuclear reactors are smarter than fifth graders, but life is full of disappointments.

yes and no
It is correct to say that there are dumb people. Drs, lawyers, people who post on fark.
But it would be improbable to say that all the DAs were stupid.

If you are going to use anecdotes, I know a couple ex-DAs from Cook County who are fricking certified geniuses.

You also conflated good at one thing with being good at all things.
The DR who couldnt add, was he a TERRIBLE doctor?
The trauma nurse who was a bit slow on bullets and guns, was she a terrible nurse?

/I agree, that you would think that a certain amount of knowledge is kind of OBVIOUS, but that is just our prejudice.


My point wasn't that any of them were stupid, just that they had serious tunnel vision.  Anything outside their immediate professional sub-specialty, they have literally no clue.  Friend of my mom's is a retired biologist, was over for dinner a few years back, the conversation wandered...I forget the exact topic, but it developed she had no idea how communications satellites...or any other kind...stayed in orbit.

This is a woman who had an electron microscope IN HER HOUSE.

So, it's not all surprising to me that competent, ethical lawyers had no clue what was going on inside a chemistry lab.

Numbnut's unsupported assertion above that they were bribing Dookahn is laughable; assistant DA's don't make enough in this state to bribe anyone.

One gal, Norfolk DA iirc, was moonlighting at the Braintree mall, folding sweaters at the Gap.
 
2013-10-24 05:21:29 PM

PunGent: snocone: PunGent: snocone: Aww come on, does anybody really buy the lie that she and she alone is the scumsucking sociopath that ran this business plan for years?
The prosecution team, man, prosecute the prosecutors!
OH, and the politicians that ran on the falsified protecting and serving bullchit.
Let us not forget them.

"Business plan" implies she was paid, when all the evidence so far shows she did this on her own time, by putting in lots of unpaid overtime.  Frankly, she reminds me of that slightly nutty woman profiled in the documentary "Thin Blue Line", who really, REALLY wanted to help the cops...never mind that it put potentially innocent folks in jail.

If she'd been paid, they'd be prosecuting whoever paid her...because she'd have rolled over on him for a lower sentence.

Sure she would, if her boss were not "Too Big To Jail".
Where did you, oh, wait, when you grow up, you will understand these things.

I get paid $250 an hour to understand "these things."  How YOU doing?

I note I already had you coded Redtard Red, and all the ad hominems ain't helping your case.

Giving up on the whole "business plan" angle already?  too hard to back your crap up?

Talk about childish.


You are the complete package,eh?
Who attacked whom?

That word, You apparently do not know what it means. It means applies to you, fool.
An ad hominem (), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
You are the homininiumadnausium, you disparge my fine reputation.
Whar is attack on you?
 
2013-10-24 06:08:36 PM
Meh.  She didn't do anything wrong.  I mean, other than wreak havoc in the courtroom and undermine people's faith in the justice system.  But, other than that, it's not like she peed in your slippers, kicked you grandma or sold you catnip instead of weed.
 
2013-10-24 06:59:37 PM

PunGent: This is a woman who had an electron microscope IN HER HOUSE.


welllllll
I know 3 people with EM scopes in their house ... and I would have one if I thought of one use for it ...
so that is the least bat shiat crazy thing about her
 
2013-10-24 07:45:39 PM

PunGent: I'd tell you how many clueless and incompetent nurses and doctors I've run into over the years, but I'd run out of space.


My favorite is the triage nurse that wanted to argue with me about me having kidney stones, with the unspoken but obvious assumption that I was just trying to score some narcotics.  "It can't be stones - you're not in enough pain."  I've had them enough times to know exactly what they feel like, and it wasn't until she measured my blood pressure and found it shockingly high that she admitted that maybe I *did* know what I was talking about and that *maybe* I just had a high threshold for pain and didn't make a big production of of the issue.  I don't think the doctor really believed me either until he looked at the IVP results.

A close second (although not in the medical field) was the EE that was arguing with one of my co-workers about how ionizing air filters worked.  He actually made the claim (in all seriousness) that they worked by means of antimatter.  I suspect he still believes that.

Stupid can be a pandemic sometimes.
 
2013-10-24 08:16:27 PM

4tehsnowflakes: Wellon Dowd: She's got a Mindy Kaling-thing going on.

[massgovscandals.com image 665x340]

Yes, I'd hit it like an oarfish on the California coastline


I'd hit it with a truck.

/fark this biatch
//I say give her the combined sentences of everybody she put away
 
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