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2013-10-24 01:40:06 PM
I wish this was more than a symbolic vote.
 
2013-10-24 01:41:23 PM
See, this is the kind of half-assed job you get when your nations are run by the Illuminati instead of the Galactic Reptiloid Collective.
 
2013-10-24 01:41:45 PM
The NSA knew the result of the votes before the last one was taken.
 
2013-10-24 01:50:48 PM
If they want to weaken their own security then good luck to them.
 
2013-10-24 01:51:46 PM
Wake me up when it's binding and not just an empty gesture. And I really wouldn't blame them for it then either. America is out of control.
 
2013-10-24 01:53:48 PM
It's amusing/ironic/stupid how many liberals were butthurt about FISA courts and how they handled warrantless surveillance, and how easily those some butthurt hypocrites are OK with a much broader and more intrusive surveillance because OBAMAAAAA
 
2013-10-24 01:54:24 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-24 01:55:06 PM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: See, this is the kind of half-assed job you get when your nations are run by the Illuminati instead of the Galactic Reptiloid Collective.


If your power was anything more than symbolic, why haven't you cowed the Tea party into fresh meals for your young?
 
2013-10-24 01:55:29 PM

Phineas: It's amusing/ironic/stupid how many liberals were butthurt about FISA courts and how they handled warrantless surveillance, and how easily those some butthurt hypocrites are OK with a much broader and more intrusive surveillance because OBAMAAAAA


Find me this liberal. I'll wait.
 
2013-10-24 01:56:00 PM

lockers: Obama's Reptiloid Master: See, this is the kind of half-assed job you get when your nations are run by the Illuminati instead of the Galactic Reptiloid Collective.

If your power was anything more than symbolic, why haven't you cowed the Tea party into fresh meals for your young?


We believe in teaching the young about healthy eating and proper portion size.
 
2013-10-24 01:56:38 PM

mongbiohazard: Wake me up when it's binding and not just an empty gesture. And I really wouldn't blame them for it then either. America is out of control.


This. When they stop sharing data on an official level (InterPol, etc), then I'll start getting interested.
 
2013-10-24 01:57:46 PM
Coming to you directly from the Mothership. Top of the Chocolate Milky Way, 500,000 kilowatts of P.Funk-power.
 
2013-10-24 01:58:43 PM
The EU Parliament is racist and would not be this upset if we had a white president.
 
2013-10-24 02:00:41 PM

hasty ambush: The EU Parliament is racist and would not be this upset if we had a white president.


I know right, we get it already EU Parliament, he's black!
 
2013-10-24 02:03:21 PM
Awww, look at the EU.....she's so cute.  Who is my big girl?
 
2013-10-24 02:04:23 PM
"You think that's air you're breathing?"
 
2013-10-24 02:05:12 PM
I think it's time Obama launched some of those drones.
 
2013-10-24 02:05:52 PM

abfalter: If they want to weaken their own security then good luck to them.


The first time you butt raped me with that, shame on you. The second time you butt raped me with that, shame on me.

That was a joke, right?
 
2013-10-24 02:06:50 PM
It would be nice to see them walk the walk, but they're going to bow out when they worry that the US will use it against them and affect economic reputation.
 
2013-10-24 02:10:49 PM

Phineas: It's amusing/ironic/stupid how many liberals were butthurt about FISA courts and how they handled warrantless surveillance, and how easily those some butthurt hypocrites are OK with a much broader and more intrusive surveillance because OBAMAAAAA


And, it was my understanding that Obama was some sort of great statesmen, unlike simian George W. Bush, and America was going to rejoin the world community as friends instead of taking an adversarial role with everyone.

I'm not really getting that impression.
 
2013-10-24 02:11:57 PM
racism, it just has to be
 
2013-10-24 02:12:56 PM

Phineas: It's amusing/ironic/stupid how many liberals were butthurt about FISA courts and how they handled warrantless surveillance, and how easily those some butthurt hypocrites are OK with a much broader and more intrusive surveillance because OBAMAAAAA


I like the "many" qualifier. It's a rather neat rhetorical trick. It means that no matter how many times me and other liberals who are emphatically not okay with this stand up and say so, you get to simply ignore us and pretend that there's a vast liberal conspiracy of silence and collusion because it's perfectly unqualified and utterly flexible.
 
2013-10-24 02:14:02 PM
Close our own borders, and SECURE them. All our people come home and we worry about ourselves.

I can dream can't I..
 
2013-10-24 02:14:09 PM
Oh the EU... desperately clinging onto the hope that they still matter internationally in our modern world.
 
2013-10-24 02:26:04 PM
C'mon Michelle Bachmann, say something crazy and stupid about this, don't let us down, we know you're good for a batshiat quote
 
2013-10-24 02:27:20 PM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: See, this is the kind of half-assed job you get when your nations are run by the Illuminati instead of the Galactic Reptiloid Collective.


I'd rather the Gnomes of Zurich.
 
2013-10-24 02:27:57 PM

Sneakernets: Phineas: It's amusing/ironic/stupid how many liberals were butthurt about FISA courts and how they handled warrantless surveillance, and how easily those some butthurt hypocrites are OK with a much broader and more intrusive surveillance because OBAMAAAAA

Find me this liberal. I'll wait.


Obama himself, for one
 
2013-10-24 02:42:24 PM

spamky: Sneakernets: Phineas: It's amusing/ironic/stupid how many liberals were butthurt about FISA courts and how they handled warrantless surveillance, and how easily those some butthurt hypocrites are OK with a much broader and more intrusive surveillance because OBAMAAAAA

Find me this liberal. I'll wait.

Obama himself, for one


You realize that BY DEFINITION OF WHAT A WARRANT IS any wiretapping approved by the FISA courts is not wireless? And that WARRANTLESS wiretapping is bad but WARRANTED wiretapping is so commonplace that making a fuss about it is pants on head stupid?
 
2013-10-24 02:52:13 PM

spamky: Sneakernets: Phineas: It's amusing/ironic/stupid how many liberals were butthurt about FISA courts and how they handled warrantless surveillance, and how easily those some butthurt hypocrites are OK with a much broader and more intrusive surveillance because OBAMAAAAA

Find me this liberal. I'll wait.

Obama himself, for one


You think Obama's a liberal? Have you been paying attention the last 5 years? Dude's a shade to the right of Reagan.
 
2013-10-24 02:56:15 PM
And I'm going to stop sharing my income data with the IRS.
 
2013-10-24 03:09:04 PM

Phineas: It's amusing/ironic/stupid how many liberals were butthurt about FISA courts and how they handled warrantless surveillance, and how easily those some butthurt hypocrites are OK with a much broader and more intrusive surveillance because OBAMAAAAA


As a far left liberal, I don't know what you're talking about.  I'm not okay with it at all.
However, he is using powers that were specifically granted by Bush and his goddamn Patriot Act, a piece of lawmaking that I hated and wanted to repeal precisely for this reason. But I must also point out that the Patriot Act was overwhelmingly supported by Republicans and the right-wing in general.  And now THEY are complaining about Obama actually using it??  It's the right-wing being hypocrites here, or at least just blindly stupid for supporting such an intrusive piece of legislation without having the slightest clue what it meant.  But hey, it's called the Patriot Act, it must be unpatriotic not to support it, hurr durr.
 
2013-10-24 03:10:26 PM
Ok can we finally say Obama the leader of the executive branch that the NSA falls under is at fault for this?  Or is he somehow not to blame again?  Better yet Libs please explain how Obama is not responsible?
 
2013-10-24 03:15:33 PM

Gentoolive: Close our own borders, and SECURE them. All our people come home and we worry about ourselves.

I can dream can't I..


What, exactly, is the merit of that approach?  What exactly does "worry about ourselves" even mean, specifically?
Isolationism is impossible, and it would be self-destructive in a globalized economy at any rate.  It isn't 1895 anymore.
 
2013-10-24 03:15:36 PM

Gawdzila: As a far left liberal, I don't know what you're talking about. I'm not okay with it at all.
However, he is using powers that were specifically granted by Bush and his goddamn Patriot Act, a piece of lawmaking that I hated and wanted to repeal precisely for this reason. But I must also point out that the Patriot Act was overwhelmingly supported by Republicans and the right-wing in general. And now THEY are complaining about Obama actually using it?? It's the right-wing being hypocrites here, or at least just blindly stupid for supporting such an intrusive piece of legislation without having the slightest clue what it meant. But hey, it's called the Patriot Act, it must be unpatriotic not to support it, hurr durr.


Typical tu quoque fallacy. Their inconsistency on this position makes their argument not less valid. What is more, Obama signed with is little hand the extension of the Patriot Act.

So Obama is using what he himself signed and put into legislative power. He is now at fault. Period.
 
2013-10-24 03:21:29 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Ok can we finally say Obama the leader of the executive branch that the NSA falls under is at fault for this?  Or is he somehow not to blame again?  Better yet Libs please explain how Obama is not responsible?


Of course he is responsible.
I don't agree at all with what he is doing, and I hope that the Bush-enacted, Republican-supported Patriot Act is repealed so that this sort of thing is no longer entirely legal.

/Lib
 
2013-10-24 03:25:37 PM

Gawdzila: bigsteve3OOO: Ok can we finally say Obama the leader of the executive branch that the NSA falls under is at fault for this?  Or is he somehow not to blame again?  Better yet Libs please explain how Obama is not responsible?

Of course he is responsible.
I don't agree at all with what he is doing, and I hope that the Bush-enacted, Republican-supported Patriot Act is repealed so that this sort of thing is no longer entirely legal.

/Lib


Thank you.  I am glad to see we still have rational liberals,  they are closer to my beliefs than the republicans.  They have been sidetracked for a few years though.
 
2013-10-24 03:27:33 PM

Gawdzila: Bush-enacted, Republican-supported Patriot Act


Except for the parts that Obama re-authorized, of course.  Seriously though, that was pretty impressive for a fark liberal.
 
2013-10-24 03:27:52 PM

poorcku: Typical tu quoque fallacy. Their inconsistency on this position makes their argument not less valid.


Typical reading comprehension failure fallacy.  I didn't say it was less valid, I said specifically that I wasn't okay with it and I do hold him responsible.  But the person I was responding to was calling liberals hypocrites on the basis that they don't hold Obama responsible.  I was simply turning around both accusations.
 
2013-10-24 03:32:33 PM
Good for them. It's about time somebody stood up this BS, but I wonder what real effect it will have on the massive British spying program which is alleged to share data with us? It was curiously not mentioned in TFA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora
 
2013-10-24 03:37:22 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Thank you.


paygun: Seriously though, that was pretty impressive



I would hardly be better than Fox News viewers if I denied reality.  I just don't find it problematic to support Obama in general while disliking certain policies of his.  No political figure is going to agree with my views on everything; I support him because I believe that his values and approach to problem solving are generally in line with mine, not because I believe he is my perfect, flawless Presidential avatar.  Political "purity tests" are for the Tea Party.
 
2013-10-24 03:45:38 PM

Phineas: It's amusing/ironic/stupid how many liberals were butthurt about FISA courts and how they handled warrantless surveillance, and how easily those some butthurt hypocrites are OK with a much broader and more intrusive surveillance because OBAMAAAAA


Name one.
 
2013-10-24 03:52:06 PM
Article with a few more details: Link

The new laws will forbid companies to "share European citizens' data with authorities of a third country, unless explicitly allowed by EU law or an international treaty."

So if a US company gets an inquiry from NSA to share data (or even a court order) they may chose to break either US or EU laws. And if they break the EU laws, there will be a price.

These will be interesting times for American IT companies.

/I think it's more business protectionism than anti-espionage or citizen privacy
 
2013-10-24 04:09:58 PM

Phineas: It's amusing/ironic/stupid how many liberals were butthurt about FISA courts and how they handled warrantless surveillance, and how easily those some butthurt hypocrites are OK with a much broader and more intrusive surveillance because OBAMAAAAA


There's nothing amusing about it.

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Phineas: It's amusing/ironic/stupid how many liberals were butthurt about FISA courts and how they handled warrantless surveillance, and how easily those some butthurt hypocrites are OK with a much broader and more intrusive surveillance because OBAMAAAAA

I like the "many" qualifier. It's a rather neat rhetorical trick. It means that no matter how many times me and other liberals who are emphatically not okay with this stand up and say so, you get to simply ignore us and pretend that there's a vast liberal conspiracy of silence and collusion because it's perfectly unqualified and utterly flexible.


Copypasta from another thread, but seems relevant here:

The problem I have is the way the volume has been turned right down on liberal opposition to this stuff. Under Bush the dial was set at 11, people were clamoring for every new story on the PATRIOT act so they could express outrage about it. My inbox was often barraged with emails from friends, relatives and action groups detailing some new travesty and discussing what had to be done about it. That dropped off noticeably when Bush left; partly justified but also for partisan reasons. Now I'd say the volume is down at about 3, just enough to let people continue claiming that they're against this stuff but not so much as to draw such attention to it that it would be embarrassing for Obama.
 
2013-10-24 04:12:08 PM

paygun: Gawdzila: Bush-enacted, Republican-supported Patriot Act

Except for the parts that Obama re-authorized, of course.  Seriously though, that was pretty impressive for a fark liberal.


...and expanded


Obama administration had restrictions on NSA reversed in 2011

The Obama administration secretly won permission from a surveillance court in 2011 to reverse restrictions on the National Security Agency's use of intercepted phone calls and e-mails, permitting the agency to search deliberately for Americans' communications in its massive databases, according to interviews with government officials and recently declassified material.

In addition, the court extended the length of time that the NSA is allowed to retain intercepted U.S. communications from five years to six years - and more under special circumstances, according to the documents, which include a recently released 2011 opinion by U.S. District Judge John D. Bates, then chief judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

What had not been previously acknowledged is that the court in 2008 imposed an explicit ban - at the government's request - on those kinds of searches, that officials in 2011 got the court to lift the bar and that the search authority has been used.

Link
safr.kingfeatures.com
 
2013-10-24 04:24:23 PM

traylor: So if a US company gets an inquiry from NSA to share data (or even a court order) they may chose to break either US or EU laws. And if they

get caught breaking the EU laws, there will be a price.

What happens in the server room stays in the server room (except for the copy that ends up with the NSA, of course).
 
2013-10-24 04:37:56 PM

The Numbers: The problem I have is the way the volume has been turned right down on liberal opposition to this stuff. Under Bush the dial was set at 11, people were clamoring for every new story on the PATRIOT act so they could express outrage about it. My inbox was often barraged with emails from friends, relatives and action groups detailing some new travesty and discussing what had to be done about it. That dropped off noticeably when Bush left; partly justified but also for partisan reasons. Now I'd say the volume is down at about 3, just enough to let people continue claiming that they're against this stuff but not so much as to draw such attention to it that it would be embarrassing for Obama.


How do you measure this volume? Is it HuffPo headlines because, you know, fark those idiots. Is it Boing Boing headlines, because they've been pretty damned relentless about putting the screws to the administration over this.

In general, I find that technologically focused liberal sites are not being quiet about it. The only liberals who are being quite are the ones that are generally soft of tech and science anyway (and more prone to host luddite lunacy such as anti-vaxxers).

And what would you have me do? I was and remain outraged by the Patriot Act and this is part of the reason why I was outraged: because I knew damned well that the practices and policies embodied in it would become institutionalized since there has never been a sitting president who has been interested in rolling back executive power.

So, fine, if you want to score points for liberal hypocrisy then, by all means, be my guest. When you're over that, can we put all this partisan bickering aside and agree that unchecked government surveillance and black budgets are unhealthy things for democracies to be flirting with, because I'm kind of getting tired of the whole my team vs. your team dynamic that makes it impossible to reach any kind of damned consensus about things that should be readily agreed upon.
 
2013-10-24 04:47:15 PM

Rurouni: Oh the EU... desperately clinging onto the hope that they still matter internationally in our modern world.


I wouldn't get to smug. The US is in an accelerating decline and in another 10 to 20 years will be just as impotent as the EU.
 
2013-10-24 04:51:19 PM

Kuroshin: Phineas: It's amusing/ironic/stupid how many liberals were butthurt about FISA courts and how they handled warrantless surveillance, and how easily those some butthurt hypocrites are OK with a much broader and more intrusive surveillance because OBAMAAAAA

Name one.


Good luck with that. Mr. or Ms. All Taxes Are Theft has probably moved along.
 
2013-10-24 04:52:07 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: So, fine, if you want to score points for liberal hypocrisy then, by all means, be my guest. When you're over that, can we put all this partisan bickering aside and agree that unchecked government surveillance and black budgets are unhealthy things for democracies to be flirting with, because I'm kind of getting tired of the whole my team vs. your team dynamic


Then perhaps, per your handle, you'd like to clarify why you've assumed I'm a Republican? To me, someone tired of the partisan dynamic wouldn't be so willing to perpetuate it by assuming someone criticizing one 'team' must belong to the other 'team'.
 
2013-10-24 05:00:13 PM

Evil High Priest: Kuroshin: Phineas: It's amusing/ironic/stupid how many liberals were butthurt about FISA courts and how they handled warrantless surveillance, and how easily those some butthurt hypocrites are OK with a much broader and more intrusive surveillance because OBAMAAAAA

Name one.

Good luck with that. Mr. or Ms. All Taxes Are Theft has probably moved along.


Oops, my bad. I was thinking Phinn..
 
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