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2013-10-24 08:42:24 AM  
Hahahaha!!!!! Oh  Subby thank you for the huge laugh this morning :)
 
2013-10-24 08:51:20 AM  
I'll take "Things Finland is good at" for 200, Alex.
 
2013-10-24 09:30:31 AM  
At least we feel good about it. Self esteem is the important thing here.
 
2013-10-24 09:48:19 AM  
The register has pictures of all the food on it, so I'm good.
 
2013-10-24 09:51:25 AM  
Don't worry scrote.  There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick-ass lives...
 
2013-10-24 09:53:55 AM  

Sybarite: The register has pictures of all the food on it, so I'm good.


You're being sarcastic but I always forget my reading glasses when I go shopping and those pictures are really handy.
 
2013-10-24 10:14:44 AM  
Uh... 'tater
 
2013-10-24 10:37:02 AM  
Pollack jokes need to be re-written as American jokes. Polish people are now smarter than us.
 
2013-10-24 10:38:14 AM  
fark you, that's why!

USA USA USA USA
 
2013-10-24 10:38:51 AM  
Given how articles are generally written, does this honestly surprise anyone? Does the fact that North Korea has a 99% literacy rate make you feel any shame that ours is less?

/the grammars, we sucksies
 
2013-10-24 10:40:03 AM  
race to the bottom, what do we win ?
 
2013-10-24 10:40:25 AM  
Good thing our politicians don't believe in studies they believe in American Exceptionalism and nobody is going to tell them differently when they are cutting school funding to provide tax breaks.
 
2013-10-24 10:47:17 AM  
Thank goodness for Massachusetts then.

http://www.pewstates.org/projects/stateline/headlines/science-and-ma th -tests-show-state-disparities-85899514763


In math, average state scores ranged from 466 in Alabama to 561 in Massachusetts. The average score in the U.S. was 509. Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Japan all outperformed Massachusetts.

Among the 36 states with average scores of at least 500 in math, the proportion of students scoring high or advanced ranged from 29 percent in Arkansas to 57 percent in Massachusetts.

In science, average state scores ranged from 453 for the District of Columbia to 567 in Massachusetts. The average score in the United States was 525. Singapore was the only education system with a higher science average than Massachusetts.

Among the 47 states with average scores of at least 500 in science, the percentage of students scoring high or advanced ranged from 31 percent in Hawaii to 61 percent in Massachusetts.
 
2013-10-24 10:47:35 AM  
At this stage, we don't really need more evidence that there is a problem. We need a concerted national effort to address it.

Haven't we been trying to address this issue for decades?  The problem isn't that we have been trying to better educate our youth. The problem is how we have been trying to educate our youth.
 
2013-10-24 10:47:49 AM  
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2013-10-24 10:50:03 AM  

Anastacya: Given how articles are generally written, does this honestly surprise anyone? Does the fact that North Korea has a 99% literacy rate make you feel any shame that ours is less?

/the grammars, we sucksies


Considering the source of information, how do we know that is even true?  And for that matter, in what language are they literate?
 
2013-10-24 10:50:22 AM  
This shouldn't be a problem for us, since we already teach nearly-pure fiction to our students, and then don't really check to see if they learned it or not.

It was interesting to note that we had high levels of education (relatively high numbers of people WENT to school)- but it turns out that going to Harvard for four years of Kegstand Studies doesn't render one able to do basic math. Shocker!
 
2013-10-24 10:51:10 AM  
I'm like shocked that 30 years of administrators pushing programs such as LGBT studies, self esteem improvement, anti bullying campaigns, etc. have not been effective at preparing our snow flakes for the work force.
 
2013-10-24 10:51:13 AM  
I wonder if the rankings correlates at all with the U.S. 180-day school year.
 
2013-10-24 10:51:45 AM  
The US is the problem.
 
2013-10-24 10:52:57 AM  

monoski: Good thing our politicians don't believe in studies they believe in American Exceptionalism and nobody is going to tell them differently when they are cutting school funding to provide tax breaks.


Real spending per public-school student has increased four-fold since the 1960's, but don't let facts get in the way of a good progressive diatribe.
 
2013-10-24 10:53:06 AM  
It would be interesting to see the spread of each country. I wonder if 'No child left behind' has made most kids the same level of bad, where Europeans are all over the scale but just averaging better.
 
2013-10-24 10:53:10 AM  

GDubDub: I wonder if the rankings correlates at all with the U.S. 180-day school year.


s/correlates/correlate
 
2013-10-24 10:54:22 AM  
lokking at the percentalages and and differintalnese of the high numbers versus lowerest numbers on a 0-100 scale the charts actually show that the USA is more exceptional that all  of the other known counties. this is why we will always BE #1
SUCKIT HATERS

U.S.A. !
U.S.A. !
U.S.A. !
 
2013-10-24 10:55:56 AM  
Is it any great surprise the people in the US are stupid? Just look at the level of stupid that voters (with the help of the Supreme Court) put into the Presidency. Twice.

funny-stuff.audio4fun.com

/stupid is as stupid does
 
2013-10-24 10:57:32 AM  

durbnpoisn: Anastacya: Given how articles are generally written, does this honestly surprise anyone? Does the fact that North Korea has a 99% literacy rate make you feel any shame that ours is less?

/the grammars, we sucksies

Considering the source of information, how do we know that is even true?  And for that matter, in what language are they literate?


I would imagine that literacy is gauged in the primary language used in the country. Otherwise it would be a bit arbitrary, no? Literacy is generally measured based upon the language someone uses the most. Hence in Korea, they are fluent in Korean.
 
2013-10-24 10:58:18 AM  

RightToWork: monoski: Good thing our politicians don't believe in studies they believe in American Exceptionalism and nobody is going to tell them differently when they are cutting school funding to provide tax breaks.

Real spending per public-school student has increased four-fold since the 1960's, but don't let facts get in the way of a good progressive diatribe.


But how much has costs increased over that same period?
 
2013-10-24 10:59:50 AM  
Self-demonstrating article!

Title of the piece: "Measuring America's Decline, in Three Charts"

None of those bar graphs track achievement over time - they just compare the current achievement of different countries.

So no, author (or editor, I guess) of the article:  These "three charts" do not "measure America's decline," they measure America's deficiency vis-a-vis other nations.

/It also looks like the top chart merely tracks the "percentage who achieved the top two levels" in the evaluation.  So in theory we might have actually broadly improved (i.e. had more students move up from the bottom into the middle of the pack) without having improved in the top categories.
//But hey, why expect a professional writer (or editor) to think about what words mean?  Or about what graphs show, in an article about how bad we are at literacy and numeracy?
///I dread the possibility that someone who is more numerate than I will point out that I have misread something here.
 
2013-10-24 11:01:07 AM  
All that matters is they continue to act and think against their own interests; that they decry unionization, support off-shoring, support the Republican/Democrat monopoly pretending to be a duopoly and spend their free-time watching television while convinced that any hardships they have will evaporate in some variety of magic afterlife so there's no need for them to do anything about it now.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-24 11:01:26 AM  

SlothB77: At this stage, we don't really need more evidence that there is a problem. We need a concerted national effort to address it.

Haven't we been trying to address this issue for decades?  The problem isn't that we have been trying to better educate our youth. The problem is how we have been trying to educate our youth.


All discussions of education end up being about privatization, religion, standardized tests and teachers unions.  We haven't had any productive discussion about *how* best to educate our youth.
 
2013-10-24 11:01:51 AM  
Stop trying to pretend every kid can be smart if you clap hard enough, stop trying to force kids who don't want a white collar job toward college, and start kicking kids out when they prove to be a burden on their peers and show no signs of improving.

Every kid is not smart, not every smart kid wants to go to college, and some kids are born to be farkups and shouldn't be kept around dragging on their peers and the taxpayers. When Americans learn these lessons like so many other countries have they too can have nice lines on those charts like those other countries.

Until then?

Well, keep biatching about your tax rate and poor outcomes while your local district is legally obligated to spend $150,000 a year for specialists and in-home support on some kid who was born with massive cognitive deficiencies and nearly non-existent motor skills because Hillybilly Harry and his dumb wife don't believe in abortion and the law says you have to try and get their artificially-alive abomination up to grade level despite the fact it's physiologically impossible.
 
2013-10-24 11:02:40 AM  

wineguy: Is it any great surprise the people in the US are stupid? Just look at the level of stupid that voters (with the help of the Supreme Court) put into the Presidency. Twice.

[funny-stuff.audio4fun.com image 350x251]

/stupid is as stupid does


Twice?  History is repeating itself (again).

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2013-10-24 11:03:28 AM  

jchic: RightToWork: monoski: Good thing our politicians don't believe in studies they believe in American Exceptionalism and nobody is going to tell them differently when they are cutting school funding to provide tax breaks.

Real spending per public-school student has increased four-fold since the 1960's, but don't let facts get in the way of a good progressive diatribe.

But how much has costs increased over that same period?


And what percentage of those costs are spent on teachers, supplies, and instruction as opposed to administration and sports?  Look at the universities - they're graduating people with education degrees who can barely read themselves.  Why?  Look at the teachers' unions - they have fought teacher evaluation standards tooth and nail for years, to protect jobs - for good teachers, yes, but also for crappy teachers who are also in the union.

There's alot more here than one or two basic concepts.  Let's start with paying teachers well, and requiring them to be competent.
 
2013-10-24 11:04:00 AM  
Dang it, subby, you forgot the dot...dot...dot... between "numbery" and "thingies." Don't ferget ta pause!
 
2013-10-24 11:04:57 AM  

jchic: But how much has costs increased over that same period?


LOL, well, costs have increased four-fold by the definition of spending. The real issue is whether the money is being spent effectively.
 
2013-10-24 11:05:10 AM  
I like the way that Russia is subtly placed there i little away from the USA.
 
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2013-10-24 11:05:38 AM  

Wook: I'm like shocked that 30 years of administrators pushing programs such as LGBT studies, self esteem improvement, anti bullying campaigns, etc. have not been effective at preparing our snow flakes for the work force.


Exactly.  Add to that the decay and outright elimination of the family as the basic building block of society.  Children are short-changed both at school and at home.

Greed and corruption, contrary to popular opinion, are not exclusive to the corporate suites.  People who make babies and do not have the commitment to provide them with the time and money required to be functioning adults suffer from the same disease.
 
2013-10-24 11:06:05 AM  
generallyso:
[carlin.jpg]

basically this. the powers that be don't give a sh*t. They're kids will go to private school and excel. They will work for big business through their contacts and continue to be rich. There is no need for a poor kid to become competition.

If you want your child to succeed, you have to make it happen the best you can.
 
2013-10-24 11:07:02 AM  
they're = their


perfect typo for this thread
 
2013-10-24 11:09:44 AM  

lockers: fark you, that's why!

USA USA USA USA


neighbr.net

Conversely, in learning foreign languages:

i.qkme.me
 
2013-10-24 11:11:31 AM  
The only letters I need to know are U, S and A.  And I told that teachin' lady as much.
 
2013-10-24 11:12:18 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: The only letters I need to know are U, S and A.  And I told that teachin' lady as much.


so close!
 
2013-10-24 11:12:22 AM  
*shakes tiny fists of extreme impotence at offmymeds*
 
2013-10-24 11:12:26 AM  
Completely anecdotally, I have constantly been surprised to the point of numbness at how often I have run into people who have practically no critical thinking skills, poor grammar/spelling/pronunciation, and no concept of math beyond integer addition and subtraction in both high end health care and IT.  Anecdotal to be sure but I can see a delta between US grown coworkers and non-US ones.
 
2013-10-24 11:13:22 AM  

jchic: RightToWork: monoski: Good thing our politicians don't believe in studies they believe in American Exceptionalism and nobody is going to tell them differently when they are cutting school funding to provide tax breaks.

Real spending per public-school student has increased four-fold since the 1960's, but don't let facts get in the way of a good progressive diatribe.

But how much has costs increased over that same period?


How about how much more we are spending per student and we are still getting outperformed:

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2013-10-24 11:14:01 AM  
The real news here is that Canada is the second most average country in the OECD. SECOND. MOST. AVERAGE. Suck it, Estonia!
 
2013-10-24 11:14:39 AM  
It's starting to show. See Detroit.
 
2013-10-24 11:15:07 AM  
I'd be interested to know if they were just testing public school students. Are we throwing homeschooled students and private schooled students in to our studies? 1 in 10 students is in private school.
 
2013-10-24 11:15:55 AM  
While I'm not doubting that the average US citizen is getting dumber, I would like to see some more specific breakdowns. Perhaps by region, or even urban dwellers vs. country bumpkins.

The US is a huge country and the term "American" encompasses a lot of different people with a lot of different personalities. The culture of bumblefark, AL is a lot different than the culture of New York City.
 
2013-10-24 11:17:47 AM  

RightToWork: The real issue is whether the money is being spent effectively


Hey man,you need all those extra layers of admin to keep up with the directives that come stuffed in the envelope that holds the Department of Education check.
 
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