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(International Business Times)   Kim Jong-un, whose legendary fiscal policy has improved the situation for millions of North Koreans, receives economics degree from Malaysian University   (ibtimes.co.uk) divider line 37
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2013-10-24 10:07:49 AM
I'm torn about this, because the man is the figurehead of the cruelest regime in the world whose people have been subjected to a countless number of the worst atrocities known to man. On the other hand he's quite young, we know very little about him, he might simply be a puppet at this point, and sometimes if you want to effect positive change for an entire nation of people you have to shake the hand of the devil to get there.

I'm not sure if the solution is an open hand to the NK regime but I'd be more open to it if I thought there was any chance that the open hand could lead to better working conditions and life for the NK people.

Either way, I don't think it's really in the US's best interests at this point to engage more with NK. Let China and South Korea deal with them. We've still got troops in Afghanistan and Syria is still a mess and Iran is starting to open up a little and we really need to get some international buy in and treaties on things like the environment, climate change, and minimum wage. Let's deal with those international issues first.
 
2013-10-24 11:14:43 AM
That would explain their constant economic Malays.
 
2013-10-24 11:23:08 AM
I think there must be a mis-translation somewhere here. Obviously it was Dear Leader who conferred on the University the divine ability to teach economic theory.
 
2013-10-24 11:26:25 AM
A degree which he promptly ate.
 
2013-10-24 11:30:08 AM
Meh, the dude probably has every doctorate known to man from Pyongyang University. Even ones that don't exist yet. Like I'm sure he has a PhD in time traveling.
 
2013-10-24 11:30:36 AM
Ok, so when demand is in-elastic and you reduce supply, then price drops, so everyone can then afford it!

Yay!!
\0/
 
2013-10-24 11:30:36 AM
He still needs to beat dearly-departed leader's golf score of 36.
 
2013-10-24 11:31:26 AM

scottydoesntknow: Meh, the dude probably has every doctorate known to man from Pyongyang University. Even ones that don't exist yet. Like I'm sure he has a PhD in time traveling.


Pfft.... total party college.
 
2013-10-24 11:31:39 AM
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2013-10-24 11:32:52 AM

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Ahh yes, Mr. Prime Rib of Propecia
 
2013-10-24 11:32:52 AM

The_Gallant_Gallstone: scottydoesntknow: Meh, the dude probably has every doctorate known to man from Pyongyang University. Even ones that don't exist yet. Like I'm sure he has a PhD in time traveling.

Pfft.... total party college.


Safety School!
 
2013-10-24 11:34:29 AM
You can say a lot about Kim, but he's a well educated guy.

You'd hope that he would have gained some perspective living and studying overseas for so many years, but I guess the siren's call of 7-star parties, top-shelf booze, and godhood was too much for him.

I still wish the older Kim boy, Jong Nam, had been selected as heir. There'd be a daily shuttle flight for Best Koreans to visit Tokyo Disneyland by now.
 
2013-10-24 11:37:54 AM
If all else fails he can get a job at Goldman Sach. With that level of success he should work quite nicely with the other people there.
 
2013-10-24 11:39:06 AM
He's probably still more economically ethical than Milton Friedman.
 
2013-10-24 11:39:32 AM
 
2013-10-24 11:40:27 AM
I really had to pause on this. An honorary degree to a guy running a country where there are no economics - because he has all the money and his populace has none - seems to make little sense. Then, I paused to confirm I wasn't on a Satire site, since it's from HELP University. It all feels surreal.

He might be an educated guy running a country that can nuke (well try) his neighbors, but he treats his citizens like garbage (at least based on the news we read) and has done nothing to improve their lot.

:: frown ::
 
Ant
2013-10-24 11:43:37 AM

bdub77: Let China and South Korea deal with them.


Someone needs to tell China to quit cooperating with NK. Refugees making their way into China are regularly caught by the Chinese and handed over to North Korean authorities, after which the refugees are sentenced to work camps or death, or work camps then death.
 
2013-10-24 11:52:17 AM

Farxist Marxist: He still needs to beat dearly-departed leader's golf score of 36.


You didn't specify if it was three rounds of 18 hole golf or 1 round of 9 hole par 3 golf. To the work camps with you!
 
2013-10-24 11:52:58 AM
bdub77:
I'm torn about this, because the man is the figurehead of the cruelest regime in the world whose people have been subjected to a countless number of the worst atrocities known to man. On the other hand he's quite young, we know very little about him, he might simply be a puppet at this point, and sometimes if you want to effect positive change for an entire nation of people you have to shake the hand of the devil to get there.

At the request of his wife, he murdered his ex-mistress (a woman he was dating before he met his wife) and 10 people in her dance troupe.

Nothing to be torn about.  He's as brutal as his asshat father and grandfather.
 
2013-10-24 11:58:53 AM
Malaysian University sucks.  I lost money on their team during last year's March Madness office pool.  Fark them.
 
2013-10-24 12:01:51 PM
Today I Learned Fark doesn't know the difference between Economics and Finance.
 
2013-10-24 12:08:24 PM

Ace Rockola 42: Today I Learned Fark doesn't know the difference between Economics and Finance.


Other than one Goldman Sachs comment, I don't see it.  Is the stick up your butt on the gold standard?
 
2013-10-24 12:09:34 PM
He got a degree with attending one class session... in fact he taught the professor a thing or two.
 
2013-10-24 12:14:55 PM
You'd think that getting an award or recognition for skill in something would equate to having shown proficiency in said thing at some point...

They should have made up a "you are awesome" award if the whole point was just political.
 
2013-10-24 12:16:02 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: You can say a lot about Kim, but he's a well educated guy.


Well educated?  How do you figure?  According to wikipedia he
first attended a special class for foreign-language children and later attended the regular classes of the 6th, 7th, 8th, and part of the final 9th year, leaving the school abruptly in fall 2000. He was described as a well-integrated and ambitious student who liked to play basketball. However, his grades and attendance rating are reported to have been poor

So he is a high school drop out who had bad grades.  OK he also went to Kim Il-sung University which I am sure is one of the [sarcasm] world's finest universities [/sarcasm] but who the hell is going to give the child of a brutal dictator a bad grade?  I am sure George Bush worked harder in college.
 
2013-10-24 12:17:15 PM

Ant: bdub77: Let China and South Korea deal with them.

Someone needs to tell China to quit cooperating with NK. Refugees making their way into China are regularly caught by the Chinese and handed over to North Korean authorities, after which the refugees are sentenced to work camps or death, or work camps then death.


China isn't cooperating with NK in the case of those refugees. They simply do not want them and send the refugees back. Nothing to do with liking NK. Hell, China is slowly getting annoyed with Best Korea and does way more trade with Worst Korea.
 
2013-10-24 12:24:33 PM

DerAppie: Ant: bdub77: Let China and South Korea deal with them.

Someone needs to tell China to quit cooperating with NK. Refugees making their way into China are regularly caught by the Chinese and handed over to North Korean authorities, after which the refugees are sentenced to work camps or death, or work camps then death.

China isn't cooperating with NK in the case of those refugees. They simply do not want them and send the refugees back. Nothing to do with liking NK. Hell, China is slowly getting annoyed with Best Korea and does way more trade with Worst Korea.


China also keeps NK around because it allows them to indirectly antagonize SK, Japan, and the US. Also, like an ugly friend NK makes China look good.
 
2013-10-24 12:33:37 PM

jayhawk88: I think there must be a mis-translation somewhere here. Obviously it was Dear Leader who conferred on the University the divine ability to teach economic theory.


Well, yes, but not the current Dear Leader - the existence of a University is yet another of the ways that Kim Il Sung still watches over and provides for the well being of the North Korean people and all people.
 
2013-10-24 12:41:03 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: DerAppie: Ant: bdub77: Let China and South Korea deal with them.

Someone needs to tell China to quit cooperating with NK. Refugees making their way into China are regularly caught by the Chinese and handed over to North Korean authorities, after which the refugees are sentenced to work camps or death, or work camps then death.

China isn't cooperating with NK in the case of those refugees. They simply do not want them and send the refugees back. Nothing to do with liking NK. Hell, China is slowly getting annoyed with Best Korea and does way more trade with Worst Korea.

China also keeps NK around because it allows them to indirectly antagonize SK, Japan, and the US. Also, like an ugly friend NK makes China look good.


I think that used to be the case. Not so much these days. Then again, I'm not really an expert on Best Korea so I might as well be wrong.

/Sociology degree would have been better
//Their social system works pretty much as designed
 
2013-10-24 01:10:23 PM
I would have guessed the degrees would be from A Capella, "University" of Phoenix, Strayer, Walden, Ashford, DeVry ...
 
2013-10-24 01:16:05 PM
His degree is a joke.

http://www.nkeconwatch.com/category/statistics/gdp-statistics/

However, their GDP is rising under him. So subby is illinformed.
 
2013-10-24 02:08:28 PM

bdub77: I'm torn about this, because the man is the figurehead of the cruelest regime in the world whose people have been subjected to a countless number of the worst atrocities known to man. On the other hand he's quite young, we know very little about him, he might simply be a puppet at this point, and sometimes if you want to effect positive change for an entire nation of people you have to shake the hand of the devil to get there.

I'm not sure if the solution is an open hand to the NK regime but I'd be more open to it if I thought there was any chance that the open hand could lead to better working conditions and life for the NK people.

Either way, I don't think it's really in the US's best interests at this point to engage more with NK. Let China and South Korea deal with them. We've still got troops in Afghanistan and Syria is still a mess and Iran is starting to open up a little and we really need to get some international buy in and treaties on things like the environment, climate change, and minimum wage. Let's deal with those international issues first.


So as far as the environment and climate change are concerned: The USA will tell everyone to go pound sand, and then in typical arrogant American fashion, be the only first world country to meet "their" targets (Mind you, it took the recession to do it, but we cut emissions while continuing to grow overall.  That's impressive).  Meanwhile, China and India will show up, negotiate developing country exceptions, and proceed to do 80,000x more damage than the USA ever could do.

Minimum Wage: Good luck.   Honestly, any minimum wage treaty will be pointless in the first world or useless to the third.  (So either it will set $1/day as the lower bound and it'll be useless in the first world, or it'll set $10/hour as the lower bound and Africa will laugh at you).
 
Ant
2013-10-24 03:17:23 PM

DerAppie: China isn't cooperating with NK in the case of those refugees. They simply do not want them and send the refugees back.


In my opinion, deporting people back to a country that you know is going to kill them or work them to death is a human rights violation. Why not deport them to South Korea? North Koreans who make it to South Korea are automatically citizens.

Also, China doesn't allow North Koreans to defect within the South Korean Embassies in China. That sounds like cooperating with NK to me.
 
2013-10-24 07:01:33 PM
spawn73:

His degree is a joke.

http://www.nkeconwatch.com/category/statistics/gdp-statistics/

However, their GDP is rising under him. So subby is illinformed.



Subby is not misinformed.  1 - 2% annual GDP growth for a country as poor as the DPRK is pretty abysmal.  That doesn't equate to much economic growth at all.
 
2013-10-24 07:42:58 PM

bdub77: I'm torn about this, because the man is the figurehead of the cruelest regime in the world whose people have been subjected to a countless number of the worst atrocities known to man. On the other hand he's quite young, we know very little about him, he might simply be a puppet at this point, and sometimes if you want to effect positive change for an entire nation of people you have to shake the hand of the devil to get there.

I'm not sure if the solution is an open hand to the NK regime but I'd be more open to it if I thought there was any chance that the open hand could lead to better working conditions and life for the NK people.

Either way, I don't think it's really in the US's best interests at this point to engage more with NK. Let China and South Korea deal with them. We've still got troops in Afghanistan and Syria is still a mess and Iran is starting to open up a little and we really need to get some international buy in and treaties on things like the environment, climate change, and minimum wage. Let's deal with those international issues first.


Environment, climate and the minimum wage. You sound as optimistic as I once was.

Now I know that there are enough sociopaths and ideologs in positions of power within the government to stop any of the few well meaning presidents, senators and congressers from making any headway on anything that doesn't entrench the positions of the tycoons and the authoritarians.

It is hopeless.
 
2013-10-24 07:57:41 PM

SirEattonHogg: spawn73:

His degree is a joke.

http://www.nkeconwatch.com/category/statistics/gdp-statistics/

However, their GDP is rising under him. So subby is illinformed.


Subby is not misinformed.  1 - 2% annual GDP growth for a country as poor as the DPRK is pretty abysmal.  That doesn't equate to much economic growth at all.


From 2008-2012? What kinda global crisis were happening during that period? I think you're ill-informed as well. :)


"In terms of industries that accounted for the growth, agriculture, forestry and fishery made up about 23.4 percent of the nominal GDP, recording a production increase by 3.9 percent. Production of livestock such as swine and poultry husbandry rose by 12.3 percent and rice and corn production also increased due to improved fertilizer supply. "

That for example seems to be an area that a country like Best Korea could use some growth in, yes?
 
2013-10-24 08:42:51 PM
Spawn73:
From 2008-2012? What kinda global crisis were happening during that period? I think you're ill-informed as well. :)


"In terms of industries that accounted for the growth, agriculture, forestry and fishery made up about 23.4 percent of the nominal GDP, recording a production increase by 3.9 percent. Production of livestock such as swine and poultry husbandry rose by 12.3 percent and rice and corn production also increased due to improved fertilizer supply. "

That for example seems to be an area that a country like Best Korea could use some growth in, yes?



Actually, according to Bank of Korea (South Korea), their growth levels are all over the place from 2000 to present. From 3.8 (best performance) to -1.2 (worst). And "Growth was mostly negative during the global financial crisis of 08 - 11".  See Bank of Korea numbers in wiki.

In any case, I'd hardly be applauding either Kim Jong Il or Kim Jong Un's brilliant economic planning.  A lot of African countries were getting anywhere from 3% to 9% gdp growth - even through the global crisis years.

And for maybe a more accurate comparison - other than a single bad year (2009), key SE Asian countries were clocking anywhere from 4% to 7.5% annual growth during the crisis years.
 
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