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(Chicago Trib)   After 28 years, the NBA finally wakes up and does away with the 2-3-2 Finals format. Televi$ion network$ excitedly brace for more Game 7's   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 67
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2013-10-24 09:55:44 AM
What difference does it make, the NBA is rigged anyhow.
 
2013-10-24 10:02:59 AM
They went to the 2-3-2 because of travel concerns?   They take like 3 weeks off between games in the finals.  Where they afraid the players wouldn't be able to walk to the venue changes as a last ditch effort to get them there?
 
2013-10-24 10:06:16 AM
I like how Stern says that something is unfair. LOL
 
2013-10-24 10:06:27 AM
The NBA is not rigged but because of the sport is superstar based you can easily tell who will win the finals every year which makes it a boring sport to watch.

/At least the Wizards will make the playoffs this year.
 
2013-10-24 10:07:51 AM
Ok, for rational discourse on the finals change, lets go to the twitter page of professional athlete Hossein Kohsrow Ali Vaziri and get his thoughts on the matter:

"NBA Finals you farked up big time because of the raisin balls intelligent Jew David Stern. He has mouse dick "
 
2013-10-24 10:21:44 AM
Now get rid of the "Call timeout, magically get the ball near opposing teams basket in final seconds rule".
 
2013-10-24 10:26:55 AM
They changed the NBA format after the epic Celtics/Lakers 1984 Finals. If that series was 2-3-2 I doubt Boston could have led the Series 3-2 by winning two in L.A. Actually the Celtics were better prepared to win that Game 5 at home:

"In Game 5, the Celtics took a 3-2 series lead with a 121-103 victory, as Larry Bird scored 34 points. The game was known as the "Heat Game", as it was played under 97-degree heat, and without any air conditioning, at Boston Garden. The Celtics did not warm up with their sweat pants on because of extreme heat, and an oxygen tank was provided to give air to an aging Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. It was also the last time that a team with home court advantage in the NBA finals played Game 5 on its own floor. The next year, the NBA Finals switched to the 2-3-2 format with Game 5 going to the team without home-court advantage."
 
2013-10-24 10:30:45 AM
Game 6 of this year's Finals would have been in San Antonio...
 
2013-10-24 10:31:00 AM

CipollinaFan: The NBA is not rigged but because of the sport is superstar based you can easily tell who will win the finals every year which makes it a boring sport to watch.

/At least the Wizards will make the playoffs this year.


I wouldn't say that it's straight-up rigged, but the power in the NBA is starting to concentrate itself in a handful of teams.  It's not quite as bad as some of the European national soccer leagues - for example, in the Portuguese Primeira Liga, 78 championship titles out of the 80 contested since the league was established have been won by only three teams (Benfica, Porto, and Sporting).

But nonetheless, watching the recent NBA free-agency dramas (in particular the hot mess that was Lebron James' "Decision" prime-time special), I predict that in the next decade or so you're going to have maybe a half-dozen marquee franchises in glamor locations - NY/Brooklyn, Boston, Chicago, Miami, and Los Angeles - that are the only serious contenders, with the rest of the league striving for at most a second-round exit from the playoffs.

/OKC is the outlier at the moment, but we'll see what happens when Durant's rookie contract runs out.
 
2013-10-24 10:31:32 AM
With this change, the NBA is now perfect.

/seriously, deal with the excessive TV timeouts and the fact that the last minute of a close game never ends instead of the punishing disadvantage forced upon the teams that were 21-8 in the Finals.
//still crazy-excited for this season
///slashies, 3s, etc
 
2013-10-24 10:34:05 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: They went to the 2-3-2 because of travel concerns?   They take like 3 weeks off between games in the finals.  Where they afraid the players wouldn't be able to walk to the venue changes as a last ditch effort to get them there?


It had more to do with the media covering the Finals than the players.  For some reason in 1984 (the last 2-2-1-1-1 Finals) there were three days between Games 1 and 2 in Boston, but only one each between Games 4, 5, 6 and 7, all of which required a cross-country flight.
 
2013-10-24 10:35:51 AM
Hopefully, this will be the same smashing success as last year, when the NBA outlawed flopping.
 
2013-10-24 10:36:28 AM

Gonz: Game 6 of this year's Finals would have been in San Antonio...


And Game 5 would have been in Miami.
 
2013-10-24 10:46:43 AM

Gunderson: Ok, for rational discourse on the finals change, lets go to the twitter page of professional athlete Hossein Kohsrow Ali Vaziri and get his thoughts on the matter:

"NBA Finals you farked up big time because of the raisin balls intelligent Jew David Stern. He has mouse dick "


Wtf? Is that real?

Looks like his twitter account was hijacked by the Iron Sheik.
 
2013-10-24 10:51:25 AM

TheLopper: Now get rid of the "Call timeout, magically get the ball near opposing teams basket in final seconds rule".


*Okafor casts Dimension Door*
 
2013-10-24 10:58:49 AM

Robo Beat: CipollinaFan: The NBA is not rigged but because of the sport is superstar based you can easily tell who will win the finals every year which makes it a boring sport to watch.

/At least the Wizards will make the playoffs this year.

I wouldn't say that it's straight-up rigged, but the power in the NBA is starting to concentrate itself in a handful of teams.  It's not quite as bad as some of the European national soccer leagues - for example, in the Portuguese Primeira Liga, 78 championship titles out of the 80 contested since the league was established have been won by only three teams (Benfica, Porto, and Sporting).

But nonetheless, watching the recent NBA free-agency dramas (in particular the hot mess that was Lebron James' "Decision" prime-time special), I predict that in the next decade or so you're going to have maybe a half-dozen marquee franchises in glamor locations - NY/Brooklyn, Boston, Chicago, Miami, and Los Angeles - that are the only serious contenders, with the rest of the league striving for at most a second-round exit from the playoffs.

/OKC is the outlier at the moment, but we'll see what happens when Durant's rookie contract runs out.


Power is starting to concentrate? That ship sailed back in the 50s (the MPLS Lakers), continued in the 60s with the Celtics (and the Lakers for that matter), took a break in the 70s, came back in the 80s with the Lakers, Celts, and 6ers, the Bulls dominated the 90s (with the Rockets mixed in), and the Lakers and Spurs dominated the 2000s.

The NBA has the least parity of any league around, probably because only a couple of players can make a franchise dominant for a decade.
 
2013-10-24 11:01:40 AM
Stern can EABODs. I can't wait until he's gone.  And I don't just mean from the NBA.
 
2013-10-24 11:07:15 AM

ladodger34: took a break in the 70s


The lesson there is that if you want parity in the NBA, make sure half the league is addicted to cocaine.
 
2013-10-24 11:13:26 AM
my fix is
dunk = 1 point
regular basket = 2 points
3 pointer = 3 points

it needs to be more scientifical enough with dunkball
just my 2 cents.
 
2013-10-24 11:13:57 AM

Yanks_RSJ: ladodger34: took a break in the 70s

The lesson there is that if you want parity in the NBA, make sure half the league is addicted to cocaine.


Or playing in another pro league.
 
2013-10-24 11:16:11 AM
Works great in the NHL. Of course, NHL players aren't wimps.
 
2013-10-24 11:22:12 AM
Fark you Bergman!

But seriously, If Stern is retiring, is there a chance Proskauer Rose will ship Bettman back to the NBA, please?
 
2013-10-24 11:29:51 AM

regindyn: With this change, the NBA is now perfect.

/seriously, deal with the excessive TV timeouts and the fact that the last minute of a close game never ends instead of the punishing disadvantage forced upon the teams that were 21-8 in the Finals.
//still crazy-excited for this season
///slashies, 3s, etc


The NBA would be perfect if they just did away with the first 43 minutes of every game.
 
2013-10-24 11:30:52 AM

CipollinaFan: The NBA is not rigged but because of the sport is superstar based you can easily tell who will win the finals every year which makes it a boring sport to watch.

/At least the Wizards will make the playoffs this year.




Unlike MLB which is coin flip based, the NHL which is streaky Goalie based and the NFL which is one and done. The Marlins have 2 recent MLB crowns, 8th seeds have won the NHL and remember when the Giants beat the Pats or the Pats beating the Rams

I like to see the best team win. A top tier NBA side nearly always win the title and I can only think of a few exceptions. The Lakers imploding vs Detroit and the Mavs beating the Heat.
 
2013-10-24 11:31:21 AM

mikey15: my fix is
dunk = 1 point
regular basket = 2 points
3 pointer = 3 points

it needs to be more scientifical enough with dunkball
just my 2 cents.


Great, you just made lay-ups the most common shot in the NBA.  Feel the excitement!
 
2013-10-24 11:35:04 AM

mikey15: my fix is
dunk = 1 point
regular basket = 2 points
3 pointer = 3 points

it needs to be more scientifical enough with dunkball
just my 2 cents.


Yeah, let's punish a team who runs an offensive set well enough to get a dunk, or makes a great defensive play leading to one.
 
2013-10-24 11:36:47 AM
2-2-1-1-1

Just like hockey.

The greatest sport on earth.
 
2013-10-24 11:39:37 AM
They should limit coaches to 1 timeout in the final 2 minutes of play.  That would make end of game much more interesting.

The fouling sucks, but it does keep games interesting for longer periods of time and some great comebacks in basketball history would not have been possible.

I think they should make foul outs 5 per player, however.  Less fouls would open up the floor more.
 
2013-10-24 11:52:52 AM

Faddy: CipollinaFan: The NBA is not rigged but because of the sport is superstar based you can easily tell who will win the finals every year which makes it a boring sport to watch.

/At least the Wizards will make the playoffs this year.

Unlike MLB which is coin flip based, the NHL which is streaky Goalie based and the NFL which is one and done. The Marlins have 2 recent MLB crowns, 8th seeds have won the NHL and remember when the Giants beat the Pats or the Pats beating the Rams

I like to see the best team win. A top tier NBA side nearly always win the title and I can only think of a few exceptions. The Lakers imploding vs Detroit and the Mavs beating the Heat.


All those reasons listed are why all those other sports are better than the NBA. I like to watch a game where the outcome is not predetermined and the end result can be a surprise.  It makes the games interesting and fun to watch when either team has a chance to win. But I see that we have a difference of opinions so to each his own.
 
2013-10-24 11:53:54 AM

fatalvenom: What difference does it make, the NBA is rigged anyhow.


I'm calling the finals. It'll be Lakers vs. Heat. Kobe will announce that he may retire and Miami will go for the threepeat. It'll come down to game 6 or game 7
 
2013-10-24 11:54:58 AM

regindyn: seriously, deal with the excessive TV timeouts and the fact that the last minute of a close game never ends


Oh yeah, people fuss about that, yet an average baseball game takes 3 hours. And there are twice as many. Football takes OVER 3 hours. Maybe 10 basketball games TOTAL take longer then 3 hours every year.

So if anyone biatches about the last few minutes of a basketball game, yet enjoys those other 2 sports... well they can be rediculous all they want. This is the internet. Home of people who contradict themselves.
 
2013-10-24 11:56:05 AM

Aar1012: I'm calling the finals. It'll be Lakers vs. Heat.


lol no.
 
2013-10-24 12:06:58 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: regindyn: seriously, deal with the excessive TV timeouts and the fact that the last minute of a close game never ends

Oh yeah, people fuss about that, yet an average baseball game takes 3 hours. And there are twice as many. Football takes OVER 3 hours. Maybe 10 basketball games TOTAL take longer then 3 hours every year.

So if anyone biatches about the last few minutes of a basketball game, yet enjoys those other 2 sports... well they can be rediculous all they want. This is the internet. Home of people who contradict themselves.


It's ridiculous, honestly.  The NBA has two TV timeouts in the 1st and 3rd quarters, and three in the 2nd and 4th.  The NFL has a minimum of five scheduled commercial breaks in each quarter.   In other words, there are as many commercial breaks in 15 minutes of an NFL game as there are in 24 of an NBA contest.

I will agree that NBA coaches have too many timeouts at their disposal, however.
 
2013-10-24 12:08:57 PM

Dust: mikey15: my fix is
dunk = 1 point
regular basket = 2 points
3 pointer = 3 points

it needs to be more scientifical enough with dunkball
just my 2 cents.

Great, you just made lay-ups the most common shot in the NBA.  Feel the excitement!


It would become the WNBA then?
 
2013-10-24 12:16:41 PM

Yanks_RSJ: I will agree that NBA coaches have too many timeouts at their disposal, however.


It's a shame too, because every once in a while you get a 1 pt back and forth game where the coaches let them play, and the teams go up and down the court scoring in the final minute and change and it's super exciting.

More often than not, however it's: set play, time out (commercial) , set play, time out (commercial) , set play time out (commercial), so the final 53 seconds takes over 15 minutes.  It's really brutal to watch.

I also think they need to change the charge/block rule to make it really cut and dry.  Just give the offense a clear advantage in the rule, because as it is now almost every call is up for debate.  It's annoying.

Make it as so you have to be established before the offensive player picks up their dribble on the drive and always err in the offense's favor.
 
2013-10-24 12:21:32 PM
I think they should go to a 0-0-0 finals.
 
2013-10-24 12:26:00 PM

MugzyBrown: I also think they need to change the charge/block rule to make it really cut and dry.  Just give the offense a clear advantage in the rule, because as it is now almost every call is up for debate.  It's annoying.

Make it as so you have to be established before the offensive player picks up their dribble on the drive and always err in the offense's favor.


Couldn't agree more.  They've made every block/charge so complicated it's practically impossible to have any consistency in how they're called.  And the "arc" they have under the hoop has become more important than the actual position of the defender when it comes to calling a charge.  Simply having your feet outside the arc isn't enough for it to be a charge, and it is called that way far too often.
 
2013-10-24 12:36:48 PM

Yanks_RSJ: They've made every block/charge so complicated it's practically impossible to have any consistency in how they're called.


Of course it's consistent. The less famous/marketable player gets called for the foul.
 
2013-10-24 01:04:23 PM

Dust: regindyn: With this change, the NBA is now perfect.

/seriously, deal with the excessive TV timeouts and the fact that the last minute of a close game never ends instead of the punishing disadvantage forced upon the teams that were 21-8 in the Finals.
//still crazy-excited for this season
///slashies, 3s, etc

The NBA would be perfect if they just did away with the first 43 minutes of every game.


Yeah...no.  I just don't think "hey, we got past the 9 minute mark in the 2nd quarter, time for a TV time out" does anything good for the flow of the game.  The extra stops for TV revenue add unnecessary time on to games.  I'd really like to see them address this, but since it gets them money, it'll never happen.
 
2013-10-24 01:43:28 PM
Reduce the finals to 1 game
 
2013-10-24 01:43:30 PM

regindyn: Dust: regindyn: With this change, the NBA is now perfect.

/seriously, deal with the excessive TV timeouts and the fact that the last minute of a close game never ends instead of the punishing disadvantage forced upon the teams that were 21-8 in the Finals.
//still crazy-excited for this season
///slashies, 3s, etc

The NBA would be perfect if they just did away with the first 43 minutes of every game.

Yeah...no.  I just don't think "hey, we got past the 9 minute mark in the 2nd quarter, time for a TV time out" does anything good for the flow of the game.  The extra stops for TV revenue add unnecessary time on to games.  I'd really like to see them address this, but since it gets them money, it'll never happen.


I know why they do what they do, I just don't like it.  And it's not just about the game flow problems that the league definitely has.  It seems like I'm not getting my money's worth when the first three+ quarters of each game is basically matador defense because everyone has a tacit agreement that those times are for stuffing the stat sheets.  Note: this doesn't apply to the playoffs.  They're pretty exciting from beginning to end (minus the aforementioned game flow issues, which are actually worse in the playoffs because every game is nationally televised).
 
2013-10-24 01:49:23 PM
Reduce the season to 40 games
Change the format to 2 30-minute halves
Move in the 3-point line
End the shot clock
Whites only.

/Just kidding, the 3-point line can stay
 
2013-10-24 01:50:42 PM
That should read 20-minute halves
 
2013-10-24 01:55:04 PM
Rev.K: 2-2-1-1-1

Just like hockey.

Agreed

The greatest sport on earth.

Yes, but subjected to the worst possible League on Earth.
 
2013-10-24 01:55:51 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Reduce the finals to 1 game


Works for College, but too few teams in the NBA. It would make the regular season meaningless.
 
2013-10-24 02:00:40 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Rev.K: 2-2-1-1-1

Just like hockey.

Agreed

The greatest sport on earth.

Yes, but subjected to the worst possible League on Earth.


Otherwise hockey wouldn't be a niche sport, right?  It would be insanely popular and everyone would acknowledge it as the greatest sport in the history of the Universe.

It's a niche sport.  It will always be a niche sport.  The 90s were a hype job.  Get over it.
 
2013-10-24 02:01:01 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Aar1012: I'm calling the finals. It'll be some random Western Conference team vs. Chicago Bulls.

lol yes.



fixed for truth
 
2013-10-24 02:01:17 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Reduce the season to 40 games
Change the format to 2 30-minute halves
Move in the 3-point line
End the shot clock
Whites only.

/Just kidding, the 3-point line can stay


SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY.
 
2013-10-24 02:01:28 PM

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: HaywoodJablonski: Reduce the finals to 1 game

Works for College, but too few teams in the NBA. It would keep the regular season meaningless.


FTFY
 
2013-10-24 02:03:14 PM

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: HaywoodJablonski: Reduce the finals to 1 game

Works for College, but too few teams in the NBA. It would make the regular season meaningless.


More meaningless than it already is?   I mean, who can't pick 13 of the 16 playoff teams this year right now in the NBA?   I'm guessing you can count on one hand the number of teams that finished in the top 6 of a conference that were widely across the board not expected to make the playoffs over the past 25 years.
 
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