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2013-10-24 07:27:16 AM
Getting a Browns jersey with an official team player nameplate now costs more than a Bugatti Veyron made entirely of Faberge eggs
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2013-10-24 07:48:08 AM
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2013-10-24 08:01:20 AM
I hope they finally trade Gordon for my fantasy team's sake
 
2013-10-24 08:24:00 AM
www.theelectricaltoolstore.com

And his throwing arm has never looked better!
 
2013-10-24 08:31:44 AM
I hate the Browns, and I always will, but it's not even fun and hasn't been for years. They're pathetic. Why not just farking do whatever it takes to trade for a franchise QB and build from there? How many years are you going to go through this?
 
2013-10-24 08:33:37 AM
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2013-10-24 08:44:18 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: I hate the Browns, and I always will, but it's not even fun and hasn't been for years. They're pathetic. Why not just farking do whatever it takes to trade for a franchise QB and build from there? How many years are you going to go through this?


Rebuilding since 1999.

Tim Tebow is on the market and I am willing to bet they could get him for cheap.

But this just makes it look like the Browns are trying extra hard to get the Johnny Manziel draft pick.
 
2013-10-24 09:02:16 AM
Campbell had the Raiders winning until he got injured and traded. He will do fine in this role.
 
2013-10-24 09:03:56 AM
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APO_Buddha: Bareefer Obonghit: I hate the Browns, and I always will, but it's not even fun and hasn't been for years. They're pathetic. Why not just farking do whatever it takes to trade for a franchise QB and build from there? How many years are you going to go through this?

Rebuilding since 1999.

Tim Tebow is on the market and I am willing to bet they could get him for cheap.
but i thought the browns were gonna get lebron for a Tightend?
But this just makes it look like the Browns are trying extra hard to get the Johnny Manziel draft pick.


cleveland treats there 1st round qbs like a teenager with a new car.
 
2013-10-24 09:04:56 AM
I never really believed in curses on sports teams, but the Browns are cursed. That poor team's fanbase has been through so much suffering and ineffective management I just feel pity for them.

Dolphins fan...I know ineffective management, useless QBs, and losing seasons, but the Browns take the cake.
 
2013-10-24 09:07:57 AM

baufan2005: Campbell had the Raiders winning until he got injured and traded. He will do fine in this role.


If by fine, you mean he will consistently throw the ball to a receiver short of the first down marker on 3rd, then yes he will do fine. He will not fail as spectacularly as Weeden did, but he's not very good. He was brutal to watch when Cutler went down for the Bears.
 
2013-10-24 09:08:44 AM
Otto Graham's has a better QB rating over the last 10 years than every Cleveland starting QB has had over the same time.  He could win championships too.

/yes, he's been dead since 2003.
 
2013-10-24 09:16:20 AM
I love how the Clevland Browns get 2 threads in 12 hours.

lol
 
2013-10-24 09:17:12 AM
I don't understand this move. Weeden was doing a perfectly acceptable job of tanking the season as is, there was no need to bring in a ringer
 
2013-10-24 09:21:11 AM
I feel sorry for Jason Campbell. He was a perfectly decent QB, albeit one with something of a slow releases but he got ruined early in the NFL due to playing under the Snyder regime and going through a ridiculous number of OCs. Then, he gets out from under Dan Snyder's evil tiny Jewish thumb and moves to the Raiders, under Senile Al Davis. Poor guy never had a chance.

He's a serviceable QB, and potentially even a good (not great just 'good') one if he gets a halfway decent O-Line, which the Redskins never ever gave him.
 
2013-10-24 09:44:53 AM
Just hand it off to McGahee more. His YPC suck, but he's bound to break free sooner or later!

/very very sad FF RB situation
 
2013-10-24 10:01:16 AM

redmid17: baufan2005: Campbell had the Raiders winning until he got injured and traded. He will do fine in this role.

If by fine, you mean he will consistently throw the ball to a receiver short of the first down marker on 3rd, then yes he will do fine. He will not fail as spectacularly as Weeden did, but he's not very good. He was brutal to watch when Cutler went down for the Bears.


The Bears had the worst offensive line in history, Soldier Field is historically awful for quarterbacks(combination of shiatty playing surface and weather), and Chicago fans are assholes.  Campbell is serviceable and he's not mistake prone.  Consistency is important on a team that has had some really awful QBs.  The problem is just that their overall talent level doesn't support success with a decent, consistent QB.
 
2013-10-24 10:14:53 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: I hate the Browns, and I always will, but it's not even fun and hasn't been for years. They're pathetic. Why not just farking do whatever it takes to trade for a franchise QB and build from there? How many years are you going to go through this?



The Browns have tried to find a franchise QB a few times. In recent years, they gave up two first round picks for Quinn. McCoy was a third round pick who I don't think was expected to be the QB of the future, but injuries forced him in. They tried to get RGIII, but they lost the bidding war. They then drafted Weeden late in the first round. They have acquired a lot of QBs, but all have been very flawed. None of them have been good.
 
2013-10-24 10:17:43 AM

Troy McClure: Bareefer Obonghit: I hate the Browns, and I always will, but it's not even fun and hasn't been for years. They're pathetic. Why not just farking do whatever it takes to trade for a franchise QB and build from there? How many years are you going to go through this?


The Browns have tried to find a franchise QB a few times. In recent years, they gave up two first round picks for Quinn. McCoy was a third round pick who I don't think was expected to be the QB of the future, but injuries forced him in. They tried to get RGIII, but they lost the bidding war. They then drafted Weeden late in the first round. They have acquired a lot of QBs, but all have been very flawed. None of them have been good.


That's why I'm saying they need to trade everything they have to to get a proven, top tier QB. Make a godfather offer.
 
2013-10-24 10:21:48 AM
''Go get some 40-W, EW-40 or something like that,'' Campbell joked.

Uh oh....
 
2013-10-24 10:33:42 AM
No Obvious tag?
 
2013-10-24 10:39:30 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: That's why I'm saying they need to trade everything they have to to get a proven, top tier QB. Make a godfather offer.


I wonder what they would have to offer Belichick for Brady.  That seems like something the Browns would do.
 
2013-10-24 10:40:04 AM

bhcompy: redmid17: baufan2005: Campbell had the Raiders winning until he got injured and traded. He will do fine in this role.

If by fine, you mean he will consistently throw the ball to a receiver short of the first down marker on 3rd, then yes he will do fine. He will not fail as spectacularly as Weeden did, but he's not very good. He was brutal to watch when Cutler went down for the Bears.

The Bears had the worst offensive line in history, Soldier Field is historically awful for quarterbacks(combination of shiatty playing surface and weather), and Chicago fans are assholes.  Campbell is serviceable and he's not mistake prone.  Consistency is important on a team that has had some really awful QBs.  The problem is just that their overall talent level doesn't support success with a decent, consistent QB.


Campbell is a borderline starter or a serviceable backup. He's not super mistake prone passing because he tends to throw short passes and take a lot of sacks, which caused him to fumble a lot. You can do worse as a backup, but he's a game manager who needs a lot of help if you want him to be on a winning team.
 
2013-10-24 10:55:48 AM

Hofheim: Otto Graham's has a better QB rating over the last 10 years than every Cleveland starting QB has had over the same time.  He could win championships too.

/yes, he's been dead since 2003.


Well, the Rams are taking a good look at Bret Ferve*.

*misspelled intentionally
 
2013-10-24 11:06:21 AM

redmid17: bhcompy: redmid17: baufan2005: Campbell had the Raiders winning until he got injured and traded. He will do fine in this role.

If by fine, you mean he will consistently throw the ball to a receiver short of the first down marker on 3rd, then yes he will do fine. He will not fail as spectacularly as Weeden did, but he's not very good. He was brutal to watch when Cutler went down for the Bears.

The Bears had the worst offensive line in history, Soldier Field is historically awful for quarterbacks(combination of shiatty playing surface and weather), and Chicago fans are assholes.  Campbell is serviceable and he's not mistake prone.  Consistency is important on a team that has had some really awful QBs.  The problem is just that their overall talent level doesn't support success with a decent, consistent QB.

Campbell is a borderline starter or a serviceable backup. He's not super mistake prone passing because he tends to throw short passes and take a lot of sacks, which caused him to fumble a lot. You can do worse as a backup, but he's a game manager who needs a lot of help if you want him to be on a winning team.


Cleveland needs a game manager though.  We have perfectly serviceable defense and special teams that is capable of putting points on the board... we aren't asking the offense to light the world on fire.
 
2013-10-24 11:46:40 AM
I think Cleveland just signed a QB off of Miamis practice squad too.
 
2013-10-24 12:19:28 PM
It could be worse...

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2013-10-24 12:22:48 PM
They've got two first round picks in the draft next year.  Why not take their second round pick, and Gordon, send it to the Redskins for Kirk Cousins and go from there with him as your QB?  Then use one of those pics on a stud receiving prospect in the draft...
 
2013-10-24 12:25:51 PM
55-112 and no playoffs in over 10 years?

Once you hit 10 years straight out of the playoffs, the franchise should be forfeited.
 
2013-10-24 12:30:15 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: I hate the Browns, and I always will, but it's not even fun and hasn't been for years. They're pathetic. Why not just farking do whatever it takes to trade for a franchise QB and build from there? How many years are you going to go through this?


Well for one.... you don't trade for a franchise QB's, you draft them.... For two, they've done what you are crying about... they have 2 first round picks, which will allow them to get Bridgewater.
 
2013-10-24 12:33:20 PM

redmid17: baufan2005: Campbell had the Raiders winning until he got injured and traded. He will do fine in this role.

If by fine, you mean he will consistently throw the ball to a receiver short of the first down marker on 3rd, then yes he will do fine. He will not fail as spectacularly as Weeden did, but he's not very good. He was brutal to watch when Cutler went down for the Bears.


He'll be fine.  Da Bears got a steal to have him as a backup, and just about everyone around the league agreed.  Tom Brady or Peyton Manning would've been brutal to watch on that team, with that gameplan and coordinator.
 
2013-10-24 12:34:13 PM

Troy McClure: Bareefer Obonghit: I hate the Browns, and I always will, but it's not even fun and hasn't been for years. They're pathetic. Why not just farking do whatever it takes to trade for a franchise QB and build from there? How many years are you going to go through this?


The Browns have tried to find a franchise QB a few times. In recent years, they gave up two first round picks for Quinn. McCoy was a third round pick who I don't think was expected to be the QB of the future, but injuries forced him in. They tried to get RGIII, but they lost the bidding war. They then drafted Weeden late in the first round. They have acquired a lot of QBs, but all have been very flawed. None of them have been good.



The fact that they drafted a 28 year old to be a franchise QB says a lot about their long term thinking
 
2013-10-24 12:37:07 PM
"Cleveland city of light, city of magic..."
 
2013-10-24 12:42:07 PM

Barry McCokiner: The fact that they drafted a 28 year old to be a franchise QB says a lot about their long term thinking



Keep in mind it was a completely different front office that drafted Weeden.
 
2013-10-24 01:10:21 PM

Coniuratos: Barry McCokiner: The fact that they drafted a 28 year old to be a franchise QB says a lot about their long term thinking


Keep in mind it was a completely different front office that drafted Weeden.


... that was righteously kicked to the curb

/Factory of Sadness
 
2013-10-24 01:10:33 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: They've got two first round picks in the draft next year.  Why not take their second round pick, and Gordon, send it to the Redskins for Kirk Cousins and go from there with him as your QB?  Then use one of those pics on a stud receiving prospect in the draft...


Because Kirk Cousins has played a whopping four games and only started in one.  His resume at this point is weaker than Kolb and Flynn when they got picked up or traded and both of those didn't work.  What you are proposing would not be quite as bad as what the Cards did to get Kolb since DRC was a lot better than Gordon, but the logic (trading a second round pick and a starter for an unproven backup) is the same.  That trade was considered one of the worst in the last 10 or so years.  Why would Cousins be worth that much?  He sure as shiat isn't proven.
 
2013-10-24 01:16:43 PM

APO_Buddha: Bareefer Obonghit: I hate the Browns, and I always will, but it's not even fun and hasn't been for years. They're pathetic. Why not just farking do whatever it takes to trade for a franchise QB and build from there? How many years are you going to go through this?

Rebuilding since 1999.

Tim Tebow is on the market and I am willing to bet they could get him for cheap.

But this just makes it look like the Browns are trying extra hard to get the Johnny Manziel draft pick.


So they want to go another 10 years looking for a QB?  Okay then...
 
2013-10-24 01:24:12 PM

Rwa2play: APO_Buddha: Bareefer Obonghit: I hate the Browns, and I always will, but it's not even fun and hasn't been for years. They're pathetic. Why not just farking do whatever it takes to trade for a franchise QB and build from there? How many years are you going to go through this?

Rebuilding since 1999.

Tim Tebow is on the market and I am willing to bet they could get him for cheap.

But this just makes it look like the Browns are trying extra hard to get the Johnny Manziel draft pick.

So they want to go another 10 years looking for a QB?  Okay then...


At this point, three wins might be too many to get Bridgewater or Boyd.  Since those are probably the only two QBs worth taking, the Browns will instead gamble on someone who they shouldn't go after (Manziel, probably) and watch him flame out.  They then purge their front office and coaching staff and the cycle of suck begins anew.  I would feel bad for Browns fans for rooting for such an inept organization if they weren't the equivalent of Phily fans without the charm.
 
2013-10-24 01:30:24 PM
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2013-10-24 01:38:22 PM

T.rex: Bareefer Obonghit: I hate the Browns, and I always will, but it's not even fun and hasn't been for years. They're pathetic. Why not just farking do whatever it takes to trade for a franchise QB and build from there? How many years are you going to go through this?

Well for one.... you don't trade for a franchise QB's, you draft them.... For two, they've done what you are crying about... they have 2 first round picks, which will allow them to get Bridgewater.



Unlikely unless the teams ahead of the Browns suddenly go on winning streaks. Thanks to Hoyer the Browns have 3 wins; Jacksonville and a couple of other teams have 0 or just 1 win. Bridgewater and Manziel will probably go in the top 3 or 4 picks, leaving the Browns yet again out in the cold looking in. I don't see any team ahead of them trading down even for the Browns' two 1st round picks, unless it's someone like the Giants.

/rooting for the Giants to keep losing
//Browns fan since 1984
 
2013-10-24 02:07:10 PM
I'm surprised Favre hasn't chimed in.
 
2013-10-24 02:10:48 PM

llortcM_yllort: At this point, three wins might be too many to get Bridgewater or Boyd.  Since those are probably the only two QBs worth taking, the Browns will instead gamble on someone who they shouldn't go after (Manziel, probably) and watch him flame out.  They then purge their front office and coaching staff and the cycle of suck begins anew.  I would feel bad for Browns fans for rooting for such an inept organization if they weren't the equivalent of Phily fans without the charm.


Wait, Philly fans have charm?
 
2013-10-24 02:16:16 PM
Was really hoping for Tim Couch here. For all the flack he got, he's still been Cleveland's longest-tenured QB since the team came back.
 
2013-10-24 02:24:36 PM
Campbell's a decent QB, but it seems like really bad timing here.  It's pretty well-known that he has a slow release, and he's going up against the best pass rush in the NFL, one that doesn't require a lot of blitzes.  Seems to be setting him up for failure (I know that as I'm typing this, I'm jinxing the Chiefs).
 
2013-10-24 02:34:39 PM
The Browns' QB problems could be written up to bad luck or could more likely be placed at the feet of a terrible GM/front office and bad owner.  They consistently draft bad QB talent and then expect it to perform adequately when surrounded by garbage.  Look at Cincinnati to see a team trying and succeeding a lot better to find a way to work it out.  They have struggled at QB for years, but managed to line up (at the same time) a halfway decent OL, a running game, a standout WR and set up a truly average QB (Andy Dalton) in a position where he can succeed and out-perform his talent.

Lord knows where Cleveland would be if they could have pulled that off for any one of their many failed QB attempts.
 
2013-10-24 02:46:38 PM

bikerbob59: I'm surprised Favre hasn't chimed in.


He did.

Several teams have called Bus Cook, his agent.

Thankfully, he finally lernt from the beating the Saints gave him, and has instructed Cook to not even tell him which teams call. He's done, and will not entertain offers to return.
 
2013-10-24 02:57:25 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: redmid17: baufan2005: Campbell had the Raiders winning until he got injured and traded. He will do fine in this role.

If by fine, you mean he will consistently throw the ball to a receiver short of the first down marker on 3rd, then yes he will do fine. He will not fail as spectacularly as Weeden did, but he's not very good. He was brutal to watch when Cutler went down for the Bears.

He'll be fine.  Da Bears got a steal to have him as a backup, and just about everyone around the league agreed.  Tom Brady or Peyton Manning would've been brutal to watch on that team, with that gameplan and coordinator.


Campbell was way worse with the Bears than McCown has been. He was almost Todd Collins bad.
 
2013-10-24 03:33:24 PM

baufan2005: Campbell had the Raiders winning until he got injured by the Browns and traded. He will do fine in this role.


So the Raiders got Carson Palmer out of that deal, the Bengals got a couple draft picks and the Browns ... got Jason Campbell.

fark.
 
2013-10-24 05:45:02 PM
I don't think the Browns drafted Weeden to be a 15-year HOF quarterback like Andrew Luck is going to be for the Colts, barring any Reggie Wayne-esque injuries. They figured he'd be good for five years as a solid, mid-level QB with not as much football punishment on him as others. He'd get them to be a 9-7/10-6 team with playoff potential then they draft a total stud in five years. Woops.

I liked watching Weeden play at OSU, I thought he played as well as Luck did in the Fiesta Bowl (it helped having Justin Blackmon), but he's been spectacularly bad in the NFL. It's true that he hasn't been helped by having a bad receiver corps(e) and Trent Richardson turning out to be a total stiff, but he has no pocket mobility, makes questionable judgements (the pass that was picked by Ogbonnaya in the fourth quarter of the Lions game being a prime example) and, well, he seems worse than Tim Couch.

If the Browns owner isn't in prison by this time next year due to his legal shenanigans, maybe they'll be able to build a solid team with the next few drafts.
 
2013-10-24 06:36:43 PM

Henry Holland: I don't think the Browns drafted Weeden to be a 15-year HOF quarterback like Andrew Luck is going to be for the Colts, barring any Reggie Wayne-esque injuries. They figured he'd be good for five years as a solid, mid-level QB with not as much football punishment on him as others. He'd get them to be a 9-7/10-6 team with playoff potential then they draft a total stud in five years. Woops.

I liked watching Weeden play at OSU, I thought he played as well as Luck did in the Fiesta Bowl (it helped having Justin Blackmon), but he's been spectacularly bad in the NFL. It's true that he hasn't been helped by having a bad receiver corps(e) and Trent Richardson turning out to be a total stiff, but he has no pocket mobility, makes questionable judgements (the pass that was picked by Ogbonnaya in the fourth quarter of the Lions game being a prime example) and, well, he seems worse than Tim Couch.

If the Browns owner isn't in prison by this time next year due to his legal shenanigans, maybe they'll be able to build a solid team with the next few drafts.


The fact he didn't/doesn't make reads and stares down receivers doesn't help either. I do find it amusing that his underhanded interception method was only perfected in the NFL
 
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