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(The Raw Story)   Texas hunting club is concerned about conservation, so it decides that auctioning a safari to bag a black rhino would be an excellent idea   (rawstory.com) divider line 85
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2013-10-24 12:14:59 AM  

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SCARED.

 
2013-10-24 12:15:58 AM  
You are not helping.
 
2013-10-24 12:16:01 AM  
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I....it....umm...

so, yeah.  Stuff, and things.

//nuke Texas from orbit, it's the only way to be sure
//escaped at the earliest age I could...
 
2013-10-24 12:19:37 AM  
I had to read that several times before it stopped saying "auctioning a safari bag to a black rhino."

I had to read that several times, but it never stopped saying "U.S. ish and Wildlife Service."
 
2013-10-24 12:20:07 AM  
We must kill the rhino in order to save it!
 
2013-10-24 12:24:17 AM  
We don't deserve this planet. Time to rewind a million years and give it to the elephants
 
2013-10-24 12:32:41 AM  
Hunters do a lot for conservation, beyond just their license and tag fees and their use in balancing the predators and prey from drought years to years of record rain.

But still, I wince every time I see Craig Boddington kneeling next to some African beast he's shot.
 
2013-10-24 12:34:51 AM  

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SCARED.


Damn you, came to post Michael Steele pic too.  Nice jorb.
 
2013-10-24 12:40:27 AM  

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SCARED.


It took me a second, but I got it. I get jokes. Well done.
 
2013-10-24 12:44:07 AM  
"Texas hunting club is concerned about conservation, so it decides that auctioning a safari to bag a black Attractive and Successful African American rhino would be an excellent idea"

FTFY
 
2013-10-24 12:49:27 AM  
Texas hunting club is concerned about conservation, so it decides that auctioning a safari to bag a black

Most Texans stopped reading there because they already blew their load.
 
2013-10-24 12:50:15 AM  
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Hiaasen did it.
 
2013-10-24 12:50:37 AM  
I cringe at the idea of trophy hunting, but let's try not to equate a safari club that has gotten permission/permits from the Namibian government and U.S. Fish and Wildlife to hunt one black rhino with poachers who have rusted to shiat AK-47s and beat-up Toyota Land Cruisers gunning down whatever they see and filing off the horns.  There's a reason that the Namibian government auctions off hunting permits.  Money.  And if it was that bad for the population, they wouldn't do it.  That money helps sustain the population in a ton of ways, and if the cost is they let some rich white people shoot one or two a year, then so be it.

That money that comes into the economy via these permit auctions and the travel and tourism surrounding such ventures is competition against money from poaching.
 
2013-10-24 12:52:08 AM  
Ok...

Technically correct, which I suppose is the best kind of correct?

Out of 5055 members of a hunting club, I suppose blowing one away wouldn't make THAT much difference, but somehow it just seems wrong.

Seriously. Why the fark would you support someone spending absurd amounts of money so they could shoot something about as easily as they could shoot a turkey, a whitetail or a lawyer? Jeez. Have them shoot 100 farking chickens and charge them $1,750 apiece for the privilege.

Mixed messages, folks. How retarded are you?
 
2013-10-24 12:52:45 AM  
Well of course they care about conservation.  They have taken it upon themselves to conserve valuable hunting grounds that most people can't access, in order to conserve animal stocks that they can prey upon for sport.  What kind of liberal bunny hugger can't get behind that?
 
2013-10-24 12:54:46 AM  

maxheck: Why the fark would you support someone spending absurd amounts of money so they could shoot something about as easily as they could shoot a turkey, a whitetail or a


I'm pretty sure it's not nearly as easy to down a rhino as it is a turkey or a durr.

lawyer?

Where do they sell permits for this?
 
2013-10-24 12:56:10 AM  

Fark It: I cringe at the idea of trophy hunting, but let's try not to equate a safari club that has gotten permission/permits from the Namibian government and U.S. Fish and Wildlife to hunt one black rhino with poachers who have rusted to shiat AK-47s and beat-up Toyota Land Cruisers gunning down whatever they see and filing off the horns.  There's a reason that the Namibian government auctions off hunting permits.  Money.  And if it was that bad for the population, they wouldn't do it.  That money helps sustain the population in a ton of ways, and if the cost is they let some rich white people shoot one or two a year, then so be it.

That money that comes into the economy via these permit auctions and the travel and tourism surrounding such ventures is competition against money from poaching.


Agree, how ever I cannot agree that money will not over rule conservation.
/that's the problem
 
2013-10-24 12:56:50 AM  
Try hunting one with a knife, tough guy.
 
2013-10-24 12:57:17 AM  

Fark It: lawyer?

Where do they sell permits for this?


They don't sell permits to shoot lawyers. But there is a $14 fine, you can just mail it in.
 
2013-10-24 12:59:05 AM  

Mugato: Fark It: lawyer?

Where do they sell permits for this?

They don't sell permits to shoot lawyers. But there is a $14 fine, you can just mail it in.


Well that's a bargain.
 
2013-10-24 01:02:02 AM  

Fark It: I cringe at the idea of trophy hunting, but let's try not to equate a safari club that has gotten permission/permits from the Namibian government and U.S. Fish and Wildlife to hunt one black rhino with poachers who have rusted to shiat AK-47s and beat-up Toyota Land Cruisers gunning down whatever they see and filing off the horns.  There's a reason that the Namibian government auctions off hunting permits.  Money.  And if it was that bad for the population, they wouldn't do it.  That money helps sustain the population in a ton of ways, and if the cost is they let some rich white people shoot one or two a year, then so be it.

That money that comes into the economy via these permit auctions and the travel and tourism surrounding such ventures is competition against money from poaching.


Thank you for posting a reasonable and rational comment
Wanted to say pretty much the same thing
You said it better than I could have
 
2013-10-24 01:02:51 AM  
Compare the game management practices in Namibia where big-game hunting is permitted (not cheap) with neighboring countries that do not allow hunting. The neighboring countries do not have any money for game management, and the few rangers they do have are so poorly paid that poachers are able to easily bribe them, those are the countries where most of the illegal trade in animal parts originate. The perpetrators are usually tied to radical Islam, who see this as a source of funds for the world jihad.

Namibia, OTOH, does a brisk business in international big-game hunting, and uses that money to fund its conservation practices, as a result, Namibia has healthy, sustainable herds of all the cute and ugly animals that the evil Western Capitalist-Imperialist-Exceptionalists are all getting big 'ol boners to shoot.

Last night I shot an elephant in my pajamas.
 
2013-10-24 01:03:59 AM  
Fark It:

maxheck: Why the fark would you support someone spending absurd amounts of money so they could shoot something about as easily as they could shoot a turkey, a whitetail or a

I'm pretty sure it's not nearly as easy to down a rhino as it is a turkey or a durr.

lawyer?

Where do they sell permits for this?


Dick Cheney's ranch.

I used to live on a farm next to a quail shootery. It was ok most of the year, but then there were times you really couldn't walk down along the stream because you'd get peppered.


If you want to shoot something fierce and meaner than you in Texas, shoot the boars.
 
2013-10-24 01:04:36 AM  
What they are doing is perfectly legal.  If everyone is worried about the rhinos they should go and storm the Namibian embassy.  Namibia sells permits for rhino hunting every year.  Someone is going to get a hold of one of the permits each year and shoot a rhino.
 
2013-10-24 01:07:51 AM  
This is the country where one of the hobbits was shot last year:


http://ascendingstarseed.wordpress.com/tag/hobbit-creature-killed/

No one seems to be complaining about all the hobbit licenses that Namibia gives out every year.
 
2013-10-24 01:07:55 AM  

Liam Burns: Compare the game management practices in Namibia where big-game hunting is permitted (not cheap) with neighboring countries that do not allow hunting. The neighboring countries do not have any money for game management, and the few rangers they do have are so poorly paid that poachers are able to easily bribe them, those are the countries where most of the illegal trade in animal parts originate. The perpetrators are usually tied to radical Islam, who see this as a source of funds for the world jihad.

Namibia, OTOH, does a brisk business in international big-game hunting, and uses that money to fund its conservation practices, as a result, Namibia has healthy, sustainable herds of all the cute and ugly animals that the evil Western Capitalist-Imperialist-Exceptionalists are all getting big 'ol boners to shoot.

Last night I shot an elephant in my pajamas.


+1
 
2013-10-24 01:09:23 AM  
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Getting hot in these rhinos...

/First thing I thought of.
 
2013-10-24 01:09:33 AM  

Fark It: I cringe at the idea of trophy hunting, but let's try not to equate a safari club that has gotten permission/permits from the Namibian government and U.S. Fish and Wildlife to hunt one black rhino with poachers who have rusted to shiat AK-47s and beat-up Toyota Land Cruisers gunning down whatever they see and filing off the horns.  There's a reason that the Namibian government auctions off hunting permits.  Money.  And if it was that bad for the population, they wouldn't do it.  That money helps sustain the population in a ton of ways, and if the cost is they let some rich white people shoot one or two a year, then so be it.

That money that comes into the economy via these permit auctions and the travel and tourism surrounding such ventures is competition against money from poaching.


THIS.

Its a lot less farked up to auction off a couple of permits if it pays for security and care of the herds as a whole, than it is to ignore them and leave them to disease and poachers.  In a perfect world they wouldn't have to*

*a perfect world being one where the libsoutraged by this had actually donated enough money for the preserves to be funded without being forced to auction permits.

/Ironic that the mouthbreathing tards are, even if unintentionally, doing more for eco protection and endangered species survival than the tree-huggers ever would.
 
2013-10-24 01:10:13 AM  

maxheck: If you want to shoot something fierce and meaner than you in Texas, shoot the boars.


I'm a liberal white kid from the suburbs, but a helicopter hog hunt in Texas is on my bucket list.  I'll even pay extra to mount some speakers outside the chopper and blast Wagner while engaging potential bacon with my AK.
 
2013-10-24 01:10:23 AM  
There are still rhinos??
 
2013-10-24 01:14:24 AM  

Ivan the Tolerable: Fark It: I cringe at the idea of trophy hunting, but let's try not to equate a safari club that has gotten permission/permits from the Namibian government and U.S. Fish and Wildlife to hunt one black rhino with poachers who have rusted to shiat AK-47s and beat-up Toyota Land Cruisers gunning down whatever they see and filing off the horns.  There's a reason that the Namibian government auctions off hunting permits.  Money.  And if it was that bad for the population, they wouldn't do it.  That money helps sustain the population in a ton of ways, and if the cost is they let some rich white people shoot one or two a year, then so be it.

That money that comes into the economy via these permit auctions and the travel and tourism surrounding such ventures is competition against money from poaching.

THIS.

Its a lot less farked up to auction off a couple of permits if it pays for security and care of the herds as a whole, than it is to ignore them and leave them to disease and poachers.  In a perfect world they wouldn't have to*

*a perfect world being one where the libsoutraged by this had actually donated enough money for the preserves to be funded without being forced to auction permits.

/Ironic that the mouthbreathing tards are, even if unintentionally, doing more for eco protection and endangered species survival than the tree-huggers ever would.


Exactly.  If you're that torn up about the poor rhinos, then put up some money instead of biatching about it on the internet.

/it's not the rhino
//it's the notion that a Texas oil millionaire (or billionaire) who probably votes Republican and owns dozens of firearms is going to do more for the rhinos and other endangered species at this preserve in one safari trip than any of the whiners will ever do in their lifetime, that's what bothers some people
 
2013-10-24 01:25:36 AM  

maxheck: If you want to shoot something fierce and meaner than you in Texas, shoot the boars.


This. Here in the hill country we've got a big problem with feral hogs.
 
2013-10-24 01:26:55 AM  
This hunt cannot be described as anything other than blood lust.
 
2013-10-24 01:31:44 AM  
I actually did a safari in Chitwan in Asia. This is what I was told by the skinny guys with rifles.

If you want to take a Rhino, you go in with several guys with lots of firepower. You shoot the fark out of the rhino, and then while it's still huffing you cut fire up the gas powered cutsaw and cut the front of it's skull off.


Then you run like hell. Because you're in the wrong place.

I kind of like the Egyptian view. Their army will shoot on sight.

That's not entirely good.I don't see how it can be justified.
 
2013-10-24 01:34:33 AM  
For some reason I keep thinking of the movie "Arthur" and his almost father-in-law. Just a bunch of insanely rich sociopaths that buy trophies they are so proud of. I dream of a follow up where the rhinos team up and attack the wrinkled up bag of bones "hunters" and gore the shiat out of them and hang their heads on their walls.
 
2013-10-24 01:34:51 AM  

Liam Burns: Compare the game management practices in Namibia where big-game hunting is permitted (not cheap) with neighboring countries that do not allow hunting. The neighboring countries do not have any money for game management, and the few rangers they do have are so poorly paid that poachers are able to easily bribe them, those are the countries where most of the illegal trade in animal parts originate. The perpetrators are usually tied to radical Islam, who see this as a source of funds for the world jihad.

Namibia, OTOH, does a brisk business in international big-game hunting, and uses that money to fund its conservation practices, as a result, Namibia has healthy, sustainable herds of all the cute and ugly animals that the evil Western Capitalist-Imperialist-Exceptionalists are all getting big 'ol boners to shoot.

Last night I shot an elephant in my pajamas.


Sadly, this is true. In fact, it's because they allow trophy hunting that Namibia HAS herds of black rhino that are large enough to need culling...which they can then sell licenses for to wealthy Texans at probably six times the actual value so fat white meatheads can get their Great White Hunter boners, and provide the Namibian government with some much-needed US dollars.

That said, it doesn't even begin to excuse the hard-on these hunters are no doubt getting at the thought of going on a canned hunt to kill a "wild" rhino in a staged safari in a Namibian wildlife preserve.
 
2013-10-24 01:39:29 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There are still rhinos??


Yes. And I am continually shocked when I hear that there are. You know, because male humans need to 'get it up' and perform sexually otherwise they will be perceived as losers in bed, so we must kill and torture every magnificent/beautiful beast on this planet so they can prove their manhood.

I have a confession to make. I have a pair of tiger teeth. The "canines". The "fangs". OK. My ex-boyfriend gave them to me. I wasn't sure what to think about it. He is 1st generation Chinese American. His mother received them from her sister. But he gave them to me and I'm not sure why. About 4 years ago I contacted a conservation group with this dilemma, but oddly they weren't very helpful. I just want to donate them to a big cat conservation group. I have never wanted to profit from them. I just want them off my hands and given to some organization that can use them for education. If anybody has any helpful information, please just let me know.
 
2013-10-24 01:45:50 AM  

Fark It: I cringe at the idea of trophy hunting, but let's try not to equate a safari club that has gotten permission/permits from the Namibian government and U.S. Fish and Wildlife to hunt one black rhino with poachers who have rusted to shiat AK-47s and beat-up Toyota Land Cruisers gunning down whatever they see and filing off the horns.  There's a reason that the Namibian government auctions off hunting permits.  Money.  And if it was that bad for the population, they wouldn't do it.  That money helps sustain the population in a ton of ways, and if the cost is they let some rich white people shoot one or two a year, then so be it.

That money that comes into the economy via these permit auctions and the travel and tourism surrounding such ventures is competition against money from poaching.


I get that, but I thought it was illegal throughout the continent to hunt black rhino, due to extremely low numbers. White rhinos have a more stable population, so I can see a raffle for bagging one of those (or the $20-40k license to do so normally).

I'd totally be on board to bust my shoulder firing a .600 NE into a poacher though.
 
2013-10-24 01:51:29 AM  

Kalashinator: Fark It: I cringe at the idea of trophy hunting, but let's try not to equate a safari club that has gotten permission/permits from the Namibian government and U.S. Fish and Wildlife to hunt one black rhino with poachers who have rusted to shiat AK-47s and beat-up Toyota Land Cruisers gunning down whatever they see and filing off the horns.  There's a reason that the Namibian government auctions off hunting permits.  Money.  And if it was that bad for the population, they wouldn't do it.  That money helps sustain the population in a ton of ways, and if the cost is they let some rich white people shoot one or two a year, then so be it.

That money that comes into the economy via these permit auctions and the travel and tourism surrounding such ventures is competition against money from poaching.

I get that, but I thought it was illegal throughout the continent to hunt black rhino, due to extremely low numbers. White rhinos have a more stable population, so I can see a raffle for bagging one of those (or the $20-40k license to do so normally).

I'd totally be on board to bust my shoulder firing a .600 NE into a poacher though.


A poacher isn't worth the $40 that one round of .600 Nitro Express costs....
 
2013-10-24 01:52:58 AM  
Actually, I am all for this auction. They could make a mini-reality TV show from it and really help with the conservation effort from the revenue. But they need one provision to level the playing field. The "hunters" need to be unarmed and naked just as the rhinos. Let the best man/rhino win.
 
2013-10-24 01:58:32 AM  

mikewadestr: This is the country where one of the hobbits was shot last year:


http://ascendingstarseed.wordpress.com/tag/hobbit-creature-killed/

No one seems to be complaining about all the hobbit licenses that Namibia gives out every year.


Your blog sucks.
 
2013-10-24 02:09:40 AM  
Well, saw the first word as "Texas" and knew exactly where the rest of the sentence was headed.
 
2013-10-24 02:15:07 AM  
Time for a Texas tag.
 
2013-10-24 02:16:23 AM  

Cog Spinner: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There are still rhinos??

Yes. And I am continually shocked when I hear that there are. You know, because male humans need to 'get it up' and perform sexually otherwise they will be perceived as losers in bed, so we must kill and torture every magnificent/beautiful beast on this planet so they can prove their manhood.

I have a confession to make. I have a pair of tiger teeth. The "canines". The "fangs". OK. My ex-boyfriend gave them to me. I wasn't sure what to think about it. He is 1st generation Chinese American. His mother received them from her sister. But he gave them to me and I'm not sure why. About 4 years ago I contacted a conservation group with this dilemma, but oddly they weren't very helpful. I just want to donate them to a big cat conservation group. I have never wanted to profit from them. I just want them off my hands and given to some organization that can use them for education. If anybody has any helpful information, please just let me know.


I had this same dilemma a few years ago. My grandfather was a huge Olympic Games fan and did his bit in Calgary in '88. He collected all kinds of Olympic stuff, including Nazi Olympic pins. I didn't want them. Nobody official wanted them. It was even the subject of 2 Dinosaur Comics on qwantz.com because the author had the same problem. Donating them to a high school was my friend's idea, and they were happy to get them for social studies class. I would just donate it to a high school for biology class.

Now my other problem is that I have ivory carved into a trio of cutesy poo owls that I'm going to die with because they can't be sold. It's worth maybe $2k...le sigh.
 
2013-10-24 02:23:15 AM  
Fark it.

I get that, but I thought it was illegal throughout the continent to hunt black rhino, due to extremely low numbers. White rhinos have a more stable population, so I can see a raffle for bagging one of those (or the $20-40k license to do so normally).

You've answered you own question.. If $10,00 worth of work can bag $20,000 worth of what what some dumbass will pay because their pecker has failed, , then someone will take a cutsaw to Nepal, cut the nose off a Rhino, make some potion out of it, and be very happy about it. You might even shoot a human or two long the way.

You think some sort of Rhino is sacrosanct?
 
2013-10-24 02:27:19 AM  

Doc Batarang: Cog Spinner: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There are still rhinos??

Yes. And I am continually shocked when I hear that there are. You know, because male humans need to 'get it up' and perform sexually otherwise they will be perceived as losers in bed, so we must kill and torture every magnificent/beautiful beast on this planet so they can prove their manhood.

I have a confession to make. I have a pair of tiger teeth. The "canines". The "fangs". OK. My ex-boyfriend gave them to me. I wasn't sure what to think about it. He is 1st generation Chinese American. His mother received them from her sister. But he gave them to me and I'm not sure why. About 4 years ago I contacted a conservation group with this dilemma, but oddly they weren't very helpful. I just want to donate them to a big cat conservation group. I have never wanted to profit from them. I just want them off my hands and given to some organization that can use them for education. If anybody has any helpful information, please just let me know.

I had this same dilemma a few years ago. My grandfather was a huge Olympic Games fan and did his bit in Calgary in '88. He collected all kinds of Olympic stuff, including Nazi Olympic pins. I didn't want them. Nobody official wanted them. It was even the subject of 2 Dinosaur Comics on qwantz.com because the author had the same problem. Donating them to a high school was my friend's idea, and they were happy to get them for social studies class. I would just donate it to a high school for biology class.

Now my other problem is that I have ivory carved into a trio of cutesy poo owls that I'm going to die with because they can't be sold. It's worth maybe $2k...le sigh.


Not necessarily.
 
2013-10-24 02:27:39 AM  
You ever seen the size of the unit on a rhinoceros?
 
2013-10-24 02:30:18 AM  

Liam Burns: Last night I shot an elephant in my pajamas.


What was he doing in your pajamas?

/Seriously. Do I have to do everything around here?
 
2013-10-24 02:42:58 AM  
Doc Batarang:

Cog Spinner: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There are still rhinos??

Yes. And I am continually shocked when I hear that there are. You know, because male humans need to 'get it up' and perform sexually otherwise they will be perceived as losers in bed, so we must kill and torture every magnificent/beautiful beast on this planet so they can prove their manhood.

I have a confession to make. I have a pair of tiger teeth. The "canines". The "fangs". OK. My ex-boyfriend gave them to me. I wasn't sure what to think about it. He is 1st generation Chinese American. His mother received them from her sister. But he gave them to me and I'm not sure why. About 4 years ago I contacted a conservation group with this dilemma, but oddly they weren't very helpful. I just want to donate them to a big cat conservation group. I have never wanted to profit from them. I just want them off my hands and given to some organization that can use them for education. If anybody has any helpful information, please just let me know.

I had this same dilemma a few years ago. My grandfather was a huge Olympic Games fan and did his bit in Calgary in '88. He collected all kinds of Olympic stuff, including Nazi Olympic pins. I didn't want them. Nobody official wanted them. It was even the subject of 2 Dinosaur Comics on qwantz.com because the author had the same problem. Donating them to a high school was my friend's idea, and they were happy to get them for social studies class. I would just donate it to a high school for biology class.

Now my other problem is that I have ivory carved into a trio of cutesy poo owls that I'm going to die with because they can't be sold. It's worth maybe $2k...le sigh.

I inherited a few pieces of scrimshaw from the 19th century.

Should I feel bad?

Maybe. but probably not going to. :)
 
2013-10-24 03:18:33 AM  

maxheck: Doc Batarang:

Cog Spinner: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There are still rhinos??

Yes. And I am continually shocked when I hear that there are. You know, because male humans need to 'get it up' and perform sexually otherwise they will be perceived as losers in bed, so we must kill and torture every magnificent/beautiful beast on this planet so they can prove their manhood.

I have a confession to make. I have a pair of tiger teeth. The "canines". The "fangs". OK. My ex-boyfriend gave them to me. I wasn't sure what to think about it. He is 1st generation Chinese American. His mother received them from her sister. But he gave them to me and I'm not sure why. About 4 years ago I contacted a conservation group with this dilemma, but oddly they weren't very helpful. I just want to donate them to a big cat conservation group. I have never wanted to profit from them. I just want them off my hands and given to some organization that can use them for education. If anybody has any helpful information, please just let me know.

I had this same dilemma a few years ago. My grandfather was a huge Olympic Games fan and did his bit in Calgary in '88. He collected all kinds of Olympic stuff, including Nazi Olympic pins. I didn't want them. Nobody official wanted them. It was even the subject of 2 Dinosaur Comics on qwantz.com because the author had the same problem. Donating them to a high school was my friend's idea, and they were happy to get them for social studies class. I would just donate it to a high school for biology class.

Now my other problem is that I have ivory carved into a trio of cutesy poo owls that I'm going to die with because they can't be sold. It's worth maybe $2k...le sigh.

I inherited a few pieces of scrimshaw from the 19th century.

Should I feel bad?

Maybe. but probably not going to. :)


That's right. You shouldn't feel bad. You had nothing to do with killing those animals, as I did not have anything to do with killing that tiger. But I just want those teeth off my hands and given to an organization that might have some sort of productive use for them. I've contacted Tippi Hedren's Shambala big cat sanctuary and hopefully they can guide me in the right direction.
 
2013-10-24 03:52:49 AM  
Preserve trees you get out of control wildfires
Preserve wildlife you get disease ridden herds on land that cannot support them.

I just love it when nature gives you libtard fernsniffers the fist up the ass.
 
2013-10-24 03:54:23 AM  

Kalashinator: Fark It: I cringe at the idea of trophy hunting, but let's try not to equate a safari club that has gotten permission/permits from the Namibian government and U.S. Fish and Wildlife to hunt one black rhino with poachers who have rusted to shiat AK-47s and beat-up Toyota Land Cruisers gunning down whatever they see and filing off the horns.  There's a reason that the Namibian government auctions off hunting permits.  Money.  And if it was that bad for the population, they wouldn't do it.  That money helps sustain the population in a ton of ways, and if the cost is they let some rich white people shoot one or two a year, then so be it.

That money that comes into the economy via these permit auctions and the travel and tourism surrounding such ventures is competition against money from poaching.

I get that, but I thought it was illegal throughout the continent to hunt black rhino, due to extremely low numbers. White rhinos have a more stable population, so I can see a raffle for bagging one of those (or the $20-40k license to do so normally).

I'd totally be on board to bust my shoulder firing a .600 NE into a poacher though.


They have low numbers overall; but in any given location, there may be more than the area can handle. Or there may be too many males, or too high a male-to-female ratio, so they need to thin some out. Rhinos are essentially predator-proof when they are adults--it's not like even a healthy pride of lions or gang of hyenas can take down an adult male rhino, so the only way to cull a herd is, sadly, to shoot the things. And a cash-strapped African nation needs the $20-30K a white hunter is willing to plop down for the bragging rights to having a legal rhino head on his dining room wall.

Same with shooting an elephant in Kenya: there aren't many elephants and they need all of them--except in some areas there are too many inside the wire, and elephants over the age of three or four have no predators to speak of. So they allow some American or Britisher with a small pecker and a big bank account to kill one or two for the good of the rest of them.
 
2013-10-24 04:36:32 AM  

Ivan the Tolerable: /Ironic that the mouthbreathing tards hunters are, even if unintentionally, doing more for eco protection and endangered species survival than the tree-huggers ever would.


Fixed that for you, and it's historically been very accurate.  Between various fees, funds, and donations, the hunting crowd has historically provided the lion's share of the conservation monies in the USA.

Oddly enough, one proposal for Rhino preservation is to legalize the sale of commercially raised rhino horn.  You can harvest the horn without harming the animal multiple times, and selling it legally would both create motivation to raise and protect the animals by ranchers and drop the price of horn to the point that it's not nearly as profitable for poachers.

Oh, and most of them know it.
 
2013-10-24 04:42:20 AM  
I'm all for hunting certain nuisance animals (deer immediately springs to mind), but it's bullshiat to hunt an endangered species. And I love hearing about poachers getting shot by rangers.
 
2013-10-24 05:25:54 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Liam Burns: Compare the game management practices in Namibia where big-game hunting is permitted (not cheap) with neighboring countries that do not allow hunting. The neighboring countries do not have any money for game management, and the few rangers they do have are so poorly paid that poachers are able to easily bribe them, those are the countries where most of the illegal trade in animal parts originate. The perpetrators are usually tied to radical Islam, who see this as a source of funds for the world jihad.

Namibia, OTOH, does a brisk business in international big-game hunting, and uses that money to fund its conservation practices, as a result, Namibia has healthy, sustainable herds of all the cute and ugly animals that the evil Western Capitalist-Imperialist-Exceptionalists are all getting big 'ol boners to shoot.

Last night I shot an elephant in my pajamas.

Sadly, this is true. In fact, it's because they allow trophy hunting that Namibia HAS herds of black rhino that are large enough to need culling...which they can then sell licenses for to wealthy Texans at probably six times the actual value so fat white meatheads can get their Great White Hunter boners, and provide the Namibian government with some much-needed US dollars.

That said, it doesn't even begin to excuse the hard-on these hunters are no doubt getting at the thought of going on a canned hunt to kill a "wild" rhino in a staged safari in a Namibian wildlife preserve.


They bought their rhino credits. What's the probe?
 
2013-10-24 06:29:49 AM  
so there are apparently 4,860 surviving black rhinos today, clawed back from 2,300 at the lowest point, thanks to conservation efforts. As recently as 1970, there were 65,000 Black Rhinos in Africa, the population was then decimated by poaching.

i am disgusted sometimes by a subset people. literally disgusted. i feel no affinity for them. I question whether we're the same species
 
2013-10-24 06:50:25 AM  

Cog Spinner: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There are still rhinos??

Yes. And I am continually shocked when I hear that there are. You know, because male humans need to 'get it up' and perform sexually otherwise they will be perceived as losers in bed, so we must kill and torture every magnificent/beautiful beast on this planet so they can prove their manhood.

I have a confession to make. I have a pair of tiger teeth. The "canines". The "fangs". OK. My ex-boyfriend gave them to me. I wasn't sure what to think about it. He is 1st generation Chinese American. His mother received them from her sister. But he gave them to me and I'm not sure why. About 4 years ago I contacted a conservation group with this dilemma, but oddly they weren't very helpful. I just want to donate them to a big cat conservation group. I have never wanted to profit from them. I just want them off my hands and given to some organization that can use them for education. If anybody has any helpful information, please just let me know.


Call a zoo.
 
2013-10-24 07:12:40 AM  
There are more problems than just too few black rhinos:

1. There are isolated pockets of too many black rhinos and not enough habitat. Contrary to what you see on TV, it's not practical to just pick them up with helicopters and put them somewhere else.

2. The governments of the countries with black rhino populations are corrupt beyond your ability to understand corruption.

3. Some conservation organizations, "Save the Rhino", for example, are corrupt beyond your ability to understand corruption.

4. Suitable habitat is scarce and getting scarcer as sub-Saharan Africa's population explodes.

5. While it's easy to appreciate rhinos for their own sake from a safe distance, the people who actually live with them tend to hate them. Americans might romanticize them somewhat less if they were roaming through, say, their kid's school bus stops.

6. Naive anti's don't understand (and don't want to understand) that sport hunting is what funds most conservation and anti-poaching efforts. If you enjoy seeing whitetail deer, turkeys and wood ducks here in the US, for example, thank hunters, because that's who brought them back from geographical extinction.
 
2013-10-24 07:27:55 AM  
Don't want them to shoot that rhino? Then make the winning bid on the auction and don't shoot the rhino.
 
2013-10-24 07:55:11 AM  

Fark It: maxheck: Why the fark would you support someone spending absurd amounts of money so they could shoot something about as easily as they could shoot a turkey, a whitetail or a

I'm pretty sure it's not nearly as easy to down a rhino as it is a turkey or a durr.

lawyer?

Where do they sell permits for this?


You know, everybody makes lawyer jokes but the only time I had to use one I was quite pleased with the results.  IMO "lawyer" should be replaced with "congressman."  They're the real a-holes of the year.
 
2013-10-24 07:56:43 AM  

Fark It: That money that comes into the economy via these permit auctions and the travel and tourism surrounding such ventures is competition against money from poaching.



The rhinos benefit (well, except the one that got shot), the locals benefit, it funds conservation, and lets the PETA crowd get outraged, with a side order of class warfare for the Occupy folks.

Sounds like a win all around to me.
 
2013-10-24 08:05:54 AM  
I wrote Warren Buffet a letter when I was young, asked him to give me $20 billion so I could buy a huge part of Texas and turn it into African savanna. I wanted a safe backup location for all the African mega fauna.

He never wrote me back.
 
2013-10-24 08:15:34 AM  
Way too This.

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2013-10-24 08:25:58 AM  

DownDaRiver: Fark It: I cringe at the idea of trophy hunting, but let's try not to equate a safari club that has gotten permission/permits from the Namibian government and U.S. Fish and Wildlife to hunt one black rhino with poachers who have rusted to shiat AK-47s and beat-up Toyota Land Cruisers gunning down whatever they see and filing off the horns.  There's a reason that the Namibian government auctions off hunting permits.  Money.  And if it was that bad for the population, they wouldn't do it.  That money helps sustain the population in a ton of ways, and if the cost is they let some rich white people shoot one or two a year, then so be it.

That money that comes into the economy via these permit auctions and the travel and tourism surrounding such ventures is competition against money from poaching.

Thank you for posting a reasonable and rational comment
Wanted to say pretty much the same thing
You said it better than I could have


Same here, except that I don't cringe at trophy hunting.

I *USED* to do so, and think myself all the more smug and superior because I wasn't a trophy hunter, until I thought about it.

[INSERT HUNTING SPIEL HERE]

There are 3 basic forms of hunting, based on the motivation of the hunter:

1. Subsistence hunting.  This is hunting purely for food, to feed yourself or your family.

2. Market hunting.  This is hunting for economic reasons, to sell the animal or parts thereof for a profit.  This can also include collecting a bounty on them.  It also includes things like poaching rhinos for horns and elephants for their ivory to sell them on the black market.

3. Sport hunting.   This is hunting because you enjoy the challenge of it.  This is mainly the motivation of trophy hunters.

Of the 3 main types of hunting, regulated sport hunting is the only one that has never, as near as I can find, resulted in the extinction or near extinction of a species.  All of the cases you can probably dig up were almost always either due to subsistence hunting, or more likely, market hunting.

So why the seeming paradox?

People who hunt primarily for the enjoyment of it want to keep on doing it.  They want bigger and better trophies.  So they will spend large amounts of money and political capital in order to assure a thriving, healthy population of the species they like to hunt.

Someone just concerned with preventing starvation, or with making a fast buck, isn't really going to care.  They aren't looking ahead to the future.  Sport hunters do that, in a collective sense.  They spend money to preserve habitat, which benefits not just the prey species, but all species that share that habitat.  They ask for and get things like bag limits and restrictions on methods to preserve "fair chase" and to make sure that a sustainable number of animals are taken, and they fund the conservation police (through Pittman/Robertson taxes in the US, trophy fees in Africa, etc.) to ensure that the laws are enforced.

In all the years I've been hunting, the only trophy I have, such as it is, is the handle of a knife my father made for me from the antler of a deer I shot.

That doesn't mean, though, that I'm against trophy hunting.  In fact, I'm *FOR* it, emphatically.  Because I've seen people pass up a nice 8 point buck because they already had several, and they wanted a 10 point or higher.

I do something similar, by ratcheting up the difficulty by only using primitive methods, either a wooden longbow for archery season, or a flintlock longrifle for firearm season.  And no tree-stands, I only hunt with my feet on the ground.  Because of that, I'll take a doe and be happy.

But that's really no different than passing up a nice buck because you want something bigger, like a trophy hunter would:  I just made it more difficult for myself in a different way.  Instead of restricting myself to bucks a certain size or bigger while using every ethical modern advantage possible, I made it harder for myself to get *ANY* deer, but the motivation is largely the same:  To make hunting a challenge.

I used to consider myself superior to the "trophy hunters", and to be honest, I think a few of them have on occasion looked in awe at what I use to hunt with and say to themselves "He's really hard-core".  But the truth is that they are just as hard-core as I am, but in different ways, and we all care about the environment because we enjoy hunting and wish to keep on hunting.

*THAT* is what makes sport hunting different than the guy who shoots a gorilla for "bush meat" or the one who shoots a rhino so he can sell the horn to some literal snake-oil salesman, er, "Traditional medicine practitioner" to peddle to limp-dicked Chinamen.
 
2013-10-24 08:27:00 AM  

kqc7011: Don't want them to shoot that rhino? Then make the winning bid on the auction and don't shoot the rhino.


Replace 'rhino' with 'social safety net', and this sounds like the GOP's strategy.
 
2013-10-24 08:42:58 AM  
My ex father-in-law was a Texas rancher who helped feed the exotic species on a "Big Game" hunting reserve.  An assortment of antelope, gazelles and whatnot native to Africa and elsewhere.  I rode along with him once when he went out to feed them, and many came right up to the fence, like farkin' cows.  Wealthy "Big Bwanas" would pay handsomely to "stalk" and shoot them as "trophies."

Don't know if the things would be tethered, but it wouldn't have surprised me.  I've got no issues with responsible hunting, but I've always thought that was pretty lame.
 
2013-10-24 08:46:51 AM  
So far, the only justification for killing a member of an endangered species is, "It sticks it to the libs."

There are better, more ethical ways to fundraise for a conservation effort.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go organize a pie eating contest to raise money for the American Bulimia Association.
 
2013-10-24 08:56:18 AM  

dittybopper: DownDaRiver: Fark It: I cringe at the idea of trophy hunting, but let's try not to equate a safari club that has gotten permission/permits from the Namibian government and U.S. Fish and Wildlife to hunt one black rhino with poachers who have rusted to shiat AK-47s and beat-up Toyota Land Cruisers gunning down whatever they see and filing off the horns.  There's a reason that the Namibian government auctions off hunting permits.  Money.  And if it was that bad for the population, they wouldn't do it.  That money helps sustain the population in a ton of ways, and if the cost is they let some rich white people shoot one or two a year, then so be it.

That money that comes into the economy via these permit auctions and the travel and tourism surrounding such ventures is competition against money from poaching.

Thank you for posting a reasonable and rational comment
Wanted to say pretty much the same thing
You said it better than I could have

Same here, except that I don't cringe at trophy hunting.

I *USED* to do so, and think myself all the more smug and superior because I wasn't a trophy hunter, until I thought about it.

[INSERT HUNTING SPIEL HERE]

There are 3 basic forms of hunting, based on the motivation of the hunter:

1. Subsistence hunting.  This is hunting purely for food, to feed yourself or your family.

2. Market hunting.  This is hunting for economic reasons, to sell the animal or parts thereof for a profit.  This can also include collecting a bounty on them.  It also includes things like poaching rhinos for horns and elephants for their ivory to sell them on the black market.

3. Sport hunting.   This is hunting because you enjoy the challenge of it.  This is mainly the motivation of trophy hunters.

Of the 3 main types of hunting, regulated sport hunting is the only one that has never, as near as I can find, resulted in the extinction or near extinction of a species.  All of the cases you can probably dig up were almost always either due to subsistenc ...


+1

You can take Trophy Hunting and replace it with Trophy Fishing, same result.  Massive conservation/preservation efforts by sport fisherman to maintain fish habitat, etc.  I'm actually proud to say that I support conservation through my fishing, and hope one day to pass on those values to my family.  Catch and Release.  Proper handling.  Proper attention to the environment.  Taking care to not spread invasive plant species (Milfoil! :( )
 
2013-10-24 09:05:29 AM  
Why Can't these big tough hunters hunt the poachers? I thought they were experts at tracking game.
 
2013-10-24 09:14:34 AM  
Actually, any photo safari guide in Africa will tell you that hunters are the ones who keep all those animals from going extinct because if the huge amounts if money they pour into the system. Ironic? Sure. But it's just reality.
 
2013-10-24 09:19:54 AM  
Hold an auction to shoot a Texan.  The winner gets a one time kill license to be used inside the borders of Texas on any person they choose.  This would draw a lot of out of state revenue, and less people would have a problem with it.  Most hunters have a problem with hunting endangered animals, and lets face it, Texans could use some culling.  Even they don't have a problem killing Texans.
 
2013-10-24 09:27:18 AM  

abiigdog: Preserve trees you get out of control wildfires
Preserve wildlife you get disease ridden herds on land that cannot support them.

I just love it when nature gives you libtard fernsniffers the fist up the ass.



You love watching anal fisting.  Got it.
 
2013-10-24 09:52:19 AM  

violentsalvation: Hunters do a lot for conservation, beyond just their license and tag fees and their use in balancing the predators and prey from drought years to years of record rain.

But still, I wince every time I see Craig Boddington kneeling next to some African beast he's shot.


very true. They do more for conservation than anyone else, including the haters here. That includes conservation here in Texas. Very few dare bag an extra buck because of the fear of wardens and the heafty fines. I wish that were more true in Africa, but poachers are more prevalent than the wardens paid by these big game hunters.
 
2013-10-24 09:54:24 AM  
Its easy to spot all the short-sighted tools in this thread... They are the ones outraged at this...    Go ahead and ban hunting of black rhino all together, it will only lead to much much fewer black rhino...    The way to safe endangered species is to allow controlled hunting on private lands...  The ranchers will make damned sure they have a healthy population to exploit, almost just like farming.  Nobody in their right mind would say that our wide-spread farming and consumption of corn would lead to the extinction of corn.  But that is what compassionate libs try to tell us about endangered species...  Hey libs, here is an idea; Stop hurting the very things you are trying to protect with your feel-good hunting bans.
 
2013-10-24 09:57:19 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Actually, any photo safari guide in Africa will tell you that hunters are the ones who keep all those animals from going extinct because if the huge amounts if money they pour into the system. Ironic? Sure. But it's just reality.


It's not ironic.

People won't pay a $35,000 trophy fee to take a picture of an elephant.   Even if you could figure out a way to charge each person who takes a picture of a wild elephant a $10 fee for the privilege, it would take 3,500 of them to make up what one hunter pays to shoot one elephant.   And in all likelihood, 3,500 people, and the necessary staff and amenities to support them, are likely to have a greater detrimental effect on the habitat than a single hunter and the staff needed to support a safari.
 
2013-10-24 10:03:02 AM  

The Gentleman Caller: Why Can't these big tough hunters hunt the poachers? I thought they were experts at tracking game.


Because that's called "murder".

It's premeditated, extrajudicial punishment that isn't necessary due to some exigent circumstance like self-defense.

Besides which, not all hunters are expert in tracking game.  I'm decent enough at tracking the animals that I generally hunt because I've been doing it for years and I pretty much know what a deer is generally going to do.

I wouldn't have a farking clue about, say, tracking a rhino, other than following its footprints if available.  And staying downwind of it.  Other than that, I'd be guessing.
 
2013-10-24 10:38:08 AM  

Firethorn: Ivan the Tolerable: /Ironic that the mouthbreathing tards hunters are, even if unintentionally, doing more for eco protection and endangered species survival than the tree-huggers ever would.

Fixed that for you, and it's historically been very accurate.


I am a hunter too, and i would consider the rest of us being lumped in with the people who go on canned hunts to be offensive at best.
there was no need to 'fix' it for me. hunters and those people are two very different groups. i used the term intentionally, and correctly.
 
2013-10-24 10:41:52 AM  

karmaceutical: Well of course they care about conservation.  They have taken it upon themselves to conserve valuable hunting grounds that most people can't access, in order to conserve animal stocks that they can prey upon for sport.  What kind of liberal bunny hugger can't get behind that?


Of course that is exactly where modern environmentalism started, with 19th-century aristocrats wanting to preserve their "private" playgrounds.
 
2013-10-24 11:14:08 AM  

The Gentleman Caller: Why Can't these big tough hunters hunt the poachers? I thought they were experts at tracking game.


The money they make on this auction will likely pay the wages of 50 or so local wardens whose primary purpose will be to stop the poachers.
 
2013-10-24 11:23:47 AM  

dittybopper: The Dog Ate My Homework: Actually, any photo safari guide in Africa will tell you that hunters are the ones who keep all those animals from going extinct because if the huge amounts if money they pour into the system. Ironic? Sure. But it's just reality.

It's not ironic.

People won't pay a $35,000 trophy fee to take a picture of an elephant.   Even if you could figure out a way to charge each person who takes a picture of a wild elephant a $10 fee for the privilege, it would take 3,500 of them to make up what one hunter pays to shoot one elephant.   And in all likelihood, 3,500 people, and the necessary staff and amenities to support them, are likely to have a greater detrimental effect on the habitat than a single hunter and the staff needed to support a safari.


I may be mistaken, but I believe the fee for rhino and elephant are much, much more than $35,000.  They expect to raise $750,000 in this auction, for instance.  I've heard $500,000 for rhino and $1 million for an elephant.  My search skills are failing me at the moment.  I can't see to find any recent official figures.
 
2013-10-24 11:24:32 AM  

Ivan the Tolerable: Firethorn: Ivan the Tolerable: /Ironic that the mouthbreathing tards hunters are, even if unintentionally, doing more for eco protection and endangered species survival than the tree-huggers ever would.

Fixed that for you, and it's historically been very accurate.

I am a hunter too, and i would consider the rest of us being lumped in with the people who go on canned hunts to be offensive at best.
there was no need to 'fix' it for me. hunters and those people are two very different groups. i used the term intentionally, and correctly.


You know what?

I don't even have a problem with so-called "canned hunts", at least conceptually.  It's merely the trade-off of time and effort for money, and the animals hunted are generally not native to the area where the hunts are held.

Going back to the Africa example, I'll probably never get the chance to hunt plains game on their native continent, but I *COULD* hunt them in the US if I were so inclined to do so.

Now, there may be operations that I wouldn't use because it offends my sensibilities about fair chase, but since these animals aren't in their native habitat that's just a personal opinion that shouldn't carry any legal weight, because such hunts are a purely economic transaction with zero to do with conservation.

The rules that apply to wild game do not and should not apply to animals that are legally kept precisely for the purpose of allowing people to shoot them.
 
2013-10-24 11:39:50 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: dittybopper: The Dog Ate My Homework: Actually, any photo safari guide in Africa will tell you that hunters are the ones who keep all those animals from going extinct because if the huge amounts if money they pour into the system. Ironic? Sure. But it's just reality.

It's not ironic.

People won't pay a $35,000 trophy fee to take a picture of an elephant.   Even if you could figure out a way to charge each person who takes a picture of a wild elephant a $10 fee for the privilege, it would take 3,500 of them to make up what one hunter pays to shoot one elephant.   And in all likelihood, 3,500 people, and the necessary staff and amenities to support them, are likely to have a greater detrimental effect on the habitat than a single hunter and the staff needed to support a safari.

I may be mistaken, but I believe the fee for rhino and elephant are much, much more than $35,000.  They expect to raise $750,000 in this auction, for instance.  I've heard $500,000 for rhino and $1 million for an elephant.  My search skills are failing me at the moment.  I can't see to find any recent official figures.


Any safari site will break out the trophy fees.   I found this one for South Africa, which is where I got the $35,000 fee for elephants for 2013 and 2014.

Some nations apparently have a sliding scale trophy fee based upon the weight of the tusks, and tuskless elephants are much cheaper than trophy-sized (ie., 70+ lbs) elephants.

For Black Rhino, the trophy fees are astronomical, somewhere north of a quarter million dollars.
 
2013-10-24 11:43:43 AM  

MolsonCanadian: karmaceutical: Well of course they care about conservation.  They have taken it upon themselves to conserve valuable hunting grounds that most people can't access, in order to conserve animal stocks that they can prey upon for sport.  What kind of liberal bunny hugger can't get behind that?

Of course that is exactly where modern environmentalism started, with 19th-century aristocrats wanting to preserve their "private" playgrounds.


Why should you really care about their motivations, if the end result is that wild habitat is preserved?

I mean, wouldn't that be like MADD refusing a huge grant from Budweiser to help fund anti-drunk driving laws simply because of the source?
 
2013-10-24 01:36:07 PM  

Spaced Lion: maxheck: If you want to shoot something fierce and meaner than you in Texas, shoot the boars.

This. Here in the hill country we've got a big problem with feral hogs.


I was going to suggest hippos, as long as they're determined to go to Africa. Rhinos are relatively docile, but a hippo will fark up your whole day.
 
2013-10-24 02:35:52 PM  
COLLIN POWELL, HIT THE DIRT!
 
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