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2013-10-24 12:06:05 AM
Well I refuse to watch it until George Lucas has had a chance to add CGI Dewbacks and Imperial Walkers....
 
2013-10-24 12:15:31 AM

SpdrJay: Well I refuse to watch it until George Lucas has had a chance to add CGI Dewbacks and Imperial Walkers....


And it better not have that scene where Han shot first.  I guess Lucas was trying to be artistic or something or was trying to blemish his perfect hero character.  Glad they corrected his mistake in the later versions.

And they should add more ewoks.
 
2013-10-24 12:23:02 AM
Yay! Behind-the-scenes footage!

Unless it's Carrie Fisher banging one of the film crew, don't bother me with this nonsense.
 
2013-10-24 12:26:35 AM
I'm 27 and have never watched a Star Wars movie.  No reason for it, just haven't.  Maybe this weekend if I find the time I'll hit up blockbuster.
 
2013-10-24 12:30:41 AM
I feel like I've seen that Yoda footage before.
 
2013-10-24 12:33:26 AM
Is this that movie where that Dark Vader guy is Lucas' dad or something?  I think there was a bigfoot or something in it and some robots?  Is this that movie?
 
2013-10-24 12:36:03 AM
In this version, not only does Han shoot first, he shoots blindfolded while drinking Jack Daniels on the rocks after buying a bag of space weed from a Toydarian.
 
2013-10-24 12:46:35 AM

SpdrJay: Well I refuse to watch it until George Lucas has had a chance to add CGI Dewbacks and Imperial Walkers....


Farting on CGI gungans.

Because that's what Star Wars is all about!
 
2013-10-24 12:47:16 AM

baronbloodbath: In this version, not only does Han shoot first, he shoots blindfolded while drinking Jack Daniels on the rocks after buying a bag of space weed from a Toydarian.


Astro turf.
 
2013-10-24 12:48:51 AM
Is this the movie with the awesome music number near the beginning where it's a really tense scene with a group trying to free someone? Man those aliens really know how to sing a song. I hope it's that one.
 
2013-10-24 12:51:13 AM
HOLY CRAP! I just got to see R2D2 standing by an X-Wing for a full minute!
Now I'm off to pay $200 for a doorknob James Doohan may have sweated on.
 
2013-10-24 12:53:14 AM

baronbloodbath: In this version, not only does Han shoot first, he shoots blindfolded while drinking Jack Daniels on the rocks after buying a bag of space weed from a Toydarian.


Han loaded Greedo's gun with Laser blanks.
 
2013-10-24 12:54:52 AM
Bea Arthur in the Star Wars Christmas Special:

thedingleberry.files.wordpress.com

All other arguments fail.

And does a musical Number:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzXKySxPFCI
 
2013-10-24 12:56:28 AM

Phil Clinton: I'm 27 and have never watched a Star Wars movie.  No reason for it, just haven't.  Maybe this weekend if I find the time I'll hit up blockbuster.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-24 01:01:12 AM

optikeye: Bea Arthur in the Star Wars Christmas Special:

[thedingleberry.files.wordpress.com image 262x393]

All other arguments fail.

And does a musical Number:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzXKySxPFCI


Thanks for driving hits to my youtube! :D

/don't really put much on youtube
 
2013-10-24 01:01:30 AM

JasonOfOrillia: I guess Lucas was trying to be artistic or something or was trying to blemish his perfect hero character. Glad they corrected his mistake in the later versions.

And they should add more ewoks.


Lucas felt that Han shooting first was 'too dark'.
 
2013-10-24 01:01:40 AM
LaserDisc? No wonder nobody has seen these before.
 
2013-10-24 01:02:31 AM

ArcadianRefugee: Yay! Behind-the-scenes footage!

Unless it's Carrie Fisher banging one of the film crew, don't bother me with this nonsense.


You know...someone should really start a law firm/production studio/publishing house dedicated to that.  Like aspiring starlets could sign up, and sometime between their early twenties and mid 30's, at a time in their life scientifically determined by the staff's crack mediaologists to be that starlet's peak hotness, they kind of follow them around for a while filming, until they capture that one perfect mind blowing sexcapade on film.  Then everyone involved signs ironclad contracts, and into the vault it goes.  They can't be released to drum up interest in a movie, or because they've turned a year older and they're not as popular anymore, but 10, 20 years down the road they can say 'Alright, I'm a respected actress, I've done well, I think it's time.'  And then it's released and the proceeds feed africa for a year.
 
2013-10-24 01:02:43 AM
The hunt for a laserdisk player is still ongoing...
 
2013-10-24 01:03:53 AM

optikeye: Bea Arthur in the Star Wars Christmas Special:

[thedingleberry.files.wordpress.com image 262x393]

All other arguments fail.

And does a musical Number:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzXKySxPFCI


g-ecx.images-amazon.com

Nick Winters excepts your challenge
 
2013-10-24 01:03:56 AM
<p><strong><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7988255/87219112#c87219112">Zombi e DJ</a>:</strong> <em>HOLY CRAP! I just got to see R2D2 standing by an X-Wing for a full minute!</em></p><p><em>Now I'm off to pay $200 for a doorknob James Doohan may have sweated on.</em></p><p> </p><p>But there is more to come. The rest of it might not be low-quality junk with animated tacked-on watermarks all over it.</p><p> </p><p><img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/118/308328041_220dba9532.jpg" height=120 width=120" /></p><p> </p>
 
2013-10-24 01:05:01 AM
Post fail.
 
2013-10-24 01:05:32 AM

Raktastic: Nick Winters accepts your challenge


FTFM
 
2013-10-24 01:07:08 AM

nytmare: Post fail.


What is this? Did the quadratic formula explode? I see a "Strong ba" in there, but it's getting eaten... by some... Linux or something.
 
2013-10-24 01:08:42 AM
 

Maul555: The hunt for a laserdisk player is still ongoing...


Bring it over. I have a few working players here.

Im more fascinated by the tech. A non Linear editing system developed in the early 80's I mean wow. But its not really an editor. I mean other than the computer saving the cut or play list. Where does it output to? It does not say. And since its Laser disk based and not HD based. Really your setting up a cut list and playing them back in that order. I guess you could output to tape.
 
2013-10-24 01:13:01 AM

Maul555: The hunt for a laserdisk player is still ongoing...


The posted thing isn't really a 'laserdisk' but a disk..read by laser...etc...etc. I don't think it would play in a laserdisk player.

However, I own laserdisk player and all the un-edited SW trilogy on laserdisk.
It's a pretty good medium...not so great for long term storage as some disk were prone to 'rot' due to metal sandwhiched between plastic layer reacted and 'rotted'. Google "Laser Rot Disk".

Fortunately the SW laserdisks I have don't have that and still look good...a little less than DVD quality..but much more than VHS. And the only format for the un-edited version.

You should be able to get an player for 80 bucks or so on ebay, and the Movies for 30 bucks or so. The "Disc" of the month club use to give those suckers away in the 80's.
 
2013-10-24 01:18:28 AM

optikeye: Maul555: The hunt for a laserdisk player is still ongoing...

The posted thing isn't really a 'laserdisk' but a disk..read by laser...etc...etc. I don't think it would play in a laserdisk player.

However, I own laserdisk player and all the un-edited SW trilogy on laserdisk.
It's a pretty good medium...not so great for long term storage as some disk were prone to 'rot' due to metal sandwhiched between plastic layer reacted and 'rotted'. Google "Laser Rot Disk".

Fortunately the SW laserdisks I have don't have that and still look good...a little less than DVD quality..but much more than VHS. And the only format for the un-edited version.

You should be able to get an player for 80 bucks or so on ebay, and the Movies for 30 bucks or so. The "Disc" of the month club use to give those suckers away in the 80's.


I still have like 4 players and a big collection of disks. There where some cool disks out there before dvd's. Before Disney had the Vault they had the Laser disk Archive collection. I still have my Tron and Fantasia. Before DVD if you wanted an uncut movie like Aliens. You had to get it on LD.
 
2013-10-24 01:24:45 AM

optikeye: Bea Arthur in the Star Wars Christmas Special:

[thedingleberry.files.wordpress.com image 262x393]

All other arguments fail.

And does a musical Number:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzXKySxPFCI


STOP IT! STOP IT! Good god, man...you're evil.
 
2013-10-24 01:30:20 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: ArcadianRefugee: Yay! Behind-the-scenes footage!

Unless it's Carrie Fisher banging one of the film crew, don't bother me with this nonsense.

You know...someone should really start a law firm/production studio/publishing house dedicated to that.  Like aspiring starlets could sign up, and sometime between their early twenties and mid 30's, at a time in their life scientifically determined by the staff's crack mediaologists to be that starlet's peak hotness, they kind of follow them around for a while filming, until they capture that one perfect mind blowing sexcapade on film.  Then everyone involved signs ironclad contracts, and into the vault it goes.  They can't be released to drum up interest in a movie, or because they've turned a year older and they're not as popular anymore, but 10, 20 years down the road they can say 'Alright, I'm a respected actress, I've done well, I think it's time.'  And then it's released and the proceeds feed africa for a year.


That's part of the plot in the William Gibson novel Idoru.
 
2013-10-24 01:30:30 AM

Capo Del Bandito: nytmare: Post fail.

What is this? Did the quadratic formula explode? I see a "Strong ba" in there, but it's getting eaten... by some... Linux or something.


That happened to me a lot when I tried using the new formatting buttons. So often in fact I switched back to the old ones for good.
 
2013-10-24 01:34:15 AM

Doc Batarang: LowbrowDeluxe: ArcadianRefugee: Yay! Behind-the-scenes footage!

Unless it's Carrie Fisher banging one of the film crew, don't bother me with this nonsense.

You know...someone should really start a law firm/production studio/publishing house dedicated to that.  Like aspiring starlets could sign up, and sometime between their early twenties and mid 30's, at a time in their life scientifically determined by the staff's crack mediaologists to be that starlet's peak hotness, they kind of follow them around for a while filming, until they capture that one perfect mind blowing sexcapade on film.  Then everyone involved signs ironclad contracts, and into the vault it goes.  They can't be released to drum up interest in a movie, or because they've turned a year older and they're not as popular anymore, but 10, 20 years down the road they can say 'Alright, I'm a respected actress, I've done well, I think it's time.'  And then it's released and the proceeds feed africa for a year.

That's part of the plot in the William Gibson novel Idoru.


Yes. The man was always a visionary.

Except when he wrote that X-Files episode. I think he was on crack, then.
 
2013-10-24 01:36:28 AM
Spelled LaserDisc, FYI.   Not sure if the disc in the article is compatible with standard Laserdiscs, looks like a proprietary system.

The Star Wars box set discs are indeed the best copy available of the un-mangled versions.    No HD copies exist of the original versions that I am aware of, sadly.

commercial/consumer LDs had two varieties - CLV (constant linear velocity) and CAV (constant angular velocity).  The latter could hold less material on the disc due to the fact that it used the space less efficiently to keep the same rotational speed, but you could get picture perfect still frames and super smooth jogging back and forth, and really fast chapter access.  Great if you are a movie buff and want to analyze frame by frame.   Critereon discs and special sets often came in CAV format.  Quentin Tarantino and Kevin Smith both commented that a major part of their film education was essentially listening to commentary tracks on LDs.

The analog signal in general was much more friendly to shuttling around than DVD and Blu Ray.   We've paid for quality with lack of accessibility, since DVDs and BRDs use MPEG compression that does not include a full set of data (i-frame) on every frame, to save space.    BluRay discs using MPEG 4 are worse than DVDs which use MPEG II.  (you can also use MPEG-II on BRDs)

The other competitor to laserdiscs was CED - Capacitance Electronic Disc.  Another analog format and housed in a cartridge, it actually used a needle to read the disc like a record.   needless to say they wore out.   Laserdiscs only suffered from laser-rot as mentioned by another poster above.  (glue holding the two sides together separating)

Anyway, enough from an old broadcast engineer tonight.

-H
 
2013-10-24 01:41:55 AM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but if it's on Laser-Disc, it's been seen before.
 
2013-10-24 01:50:47 AM

Surool: I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but if it's on Laser-Disc, it's been seen before.


Not a commercial LD but an in-house item part of an early offline edit system, so probably not.
 
2013-10-24 01:54:07 AM

harlock: The other competitor to laserdiscs was CED - Capacitance Electronic Disc. Another analog format and housed in a cartridge, it actually used a needle to read the disc like a record.


And something that should never be spoken of in a 'laserdisc' discussion: RCA/MCA : DiscoVision. .

But yeah, basically everything you said.
 
2013-10-24 02:26:32 AM

kombi: Maul555: The hunt for a laserdisk player is still ongoing...

Bring it over. I have a few working players here.

Im more fascinated by the tech. A non Linear editing system developed in the early 80's I mean wow. But its not really an editor. I mean other than the computer saving the cut or play list. Where does it output to? It does not say. And since its Laser disk based and not HD based. Really your setting up a cut list and playing them back in that order. I guess you could output to tape.


You export the list which a negative cutter uses to edit the actual film by hand.
 
2013-10-24 02:28:31 AM
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2013-10-24 02:32:11 AM

harlock: Spelled LaserDisc, FYI.   Not sure if the disc in the article is compatible with standard Laserdiscs, looks like a proprietary system.

The Star Wars box set discs are indeed the best copy available of the un-mangled versions.    No HD copies exist of the original versions that I am aware of, sadly.

commercial/consumer LDs had two varieties - CLV (constant linear velocity) and CAV (constant angular velocity).  The latter could hold less material on the disc due to the fact that it used the space less efficiently to keep the same rotational speed, but you could get picture perfect still frames and super smooth jogging back and forth, and really fast chapter access.  Great if you are a movie buff and want to analyze frame by frame.   Critereon discs and special sets often came in CAV format.  Quentin Tarantino and Kevin Smith both commented that a major part of their film education was essentially listening to commentary tracks on LDs.

The analog signal in general was much more friendly to shuttling around than DVD and Blu Ray.   We've paid for quality with lack of accessibility, since DVDs and BRDs use MPEG compression that does not include a full set of data (i-frame) on every frame, to save space.    BluRay discs using MPEG 4 are worse than DVDs which use MPEG II.  (you can also use MPEG-II on BRDs)

The other competitor to laserdiscs was CED......
-H


My favorites, you are on it, Great Wise One.
 
2013-10-24 02:40:24 AM

optikeye: Maul555: The hunt for a laserdisk player is still ongoing...

The posted thing isn't really a 'laserdisk' but a disk..read by laser...etc...etc. I don't think it would play in a laserdisk player.

However, I own laserdisk player and all the un-edited SW trilogy on laserdisk.
It's a pretty good medium...not so great for long term storage as some disk were prone to 'rot' due to metal sandwhiched between plastic layer reacted and 'rotted'. Google "Laser Rot Disk".

Fortunately the SW laserdisks I have don't have that and still look good...a little less than DVD quality..but much more than VHS. And the only format for the un-edited version.

You should be able to get an player for 80 bucks or so on ebay, and the Movies for 30 bucks or so. The "Disc" of the month club use to give those suckers away in the 80's.


Alternatively to avoid the eventual bit rot setting in you could grab a USB capture device and hook the player up to it.  Then sit there writing it to your computer's HDD.   Given enough fiddling with the capture settings there shouldn't be any real loss in quality, although an actual laserdisk player on the IDE/SATA bus reading the data would obviously be better... but good lucking finding something like that (it'll either be expensive, mythical or really damn hard to find a working one).
 
2013-10-24 02:55:16 AM

Vaneshi: optikeye: Maul555: The hunt for a laserdisk player is still ongoing...

The posted thing isn't really a 'laserdisk' but a disk..read by laser...etc...etc. I don't think it would play in a laserdisk player.

However, I own laserdisk player and all the un-edited SW trilogy on laserdisk.
It's a pretty good medium...not so great for long term storage as some disk were prone to 'rot' due to metal sandwhiched between plastic layer reacted and 'rotted'. Google "Laser Rot Disk".

Fortunately the SW laserdisks I have don't have that and still look good...a little less than DVD quality..but much more than VHS. And the only format for the un-edited version.

You should be able to get an player for 80 bucks or so on ebay, and the Movies for 30 bucks or so. The "Disc" of the month club use to give those suckers away in the 80's.

Alternatively to avoid the eventual bit rot setting in you could grab a USB capture device and hook the player up to it.  Then sit there writing it to your computer's HDD.   Given enough fiddling with the capture settings there shouldn't be any real loss in quality, although an actual laserdisk player on the IDE/SATA bus reading the data would obviously be better... but good lucking finding something like that (it'll either be expensive, mythical or really damn hard to find a working one).


Or say screw all that and download it from others who are geeky enough to have already done all this and added some nice extras and whatnot to their new dvd version.
 
2013-10-24 03:01:05 AM

Vaneshi: although an actual laserdisk player on the IDE/SATA bus reading the data would obviously be better.


Um, you *do* realize LaserDisc (note the spelling) is an analog format? What "data" would it read? The soundtrack? LaserDisc on SATA? Find me one. By the time SATA came around, LD was already 10-15 years in the past.

Vaneshi: but good lucking finding something like that (it'll either be expensive, mythical or really damn hard to find a working one).


We could check your rectal cavity if we could push all the 3D printers and space colonies out of the way.
 
2013-10-24 03:09:43 AM

harlock: Spelled LaserDisc, FYI.   Not sure if the disc in the article is compatible with standard Laserdiscs, looks like a proprietary system.

The Star Wars box set discs are indeed the best copy available of the un-mangled versions.    No HD copies exist of the original versions that I am aware of, sadly.

commercial/consumer LDs had two varieties - CLV (constant linear velocity) and CAV (constant angular velocity).  The latter could hold less material on the disc due to the fact that it used the space less efficiently to keep the same rotational speed, but you could get picture perfect still frames and super smooth jogging back and forth, and really fast chapter access.  Great if you are a movie buff and want to analyze frame by frame.   Critereon discs and special sets often came in CAV format.  Quentin Tarantino and Kevin Smith both commented that a major part of their film education was essentially listening to commentary tracks on LDs.

The analog signal in general was much more friendly to shuttling around than DVD and Blu Ray.   We've paid for quality with lack of accessibility, since DVDs and BRDs use MPEG compression that does not include a full set of data (i-frame) on every frame, to save space.    BluRay discs using MPEG 4 are worse than DVDs which use MPEG II.  (you can also use MPEG-II on BRDs)

The other competitor to laserdiscs was CED - Capacitance Electronic Disc.  Another analog format and housed in a cartridge, it actually used a needle to read the disc like a record.   needless to say they wore out.   Laserdiscs only suffered from laser-rot as mentioned by another poster above.  (glue holding the two sides together separating)

Anyway, enough from an old broadcast engineer tonight.

-H



These new laserdiscs are not the commercial LDs from a few decades ago. These ones were used in the early days of digital editing - most likely an adapted version to the CMX 600 NLE system, which used 'laserdisc' platters. I know that Lucas, even then, was interested in the immediacy of video - not only in shooting but also in post production editing and asked tech guys like Ed Catmull from NYIT to join him at Lucasfilm.
 
2013-10-24 03:19:08 AM

harlock: Spelled LaserDisc, FYI.   Not sure if the disc in the article is compatible with standard Laserdiscs, looks like a proprietary system.


So many video geeks here! I'll chip in with two more very obscure recordable laserdisc formats: CRVdisc and RLVdisc.

CRVdisc was a Sony thing, and couldn't be played back on a regular laserdisc player. The disc was protected by a caddy, like this:

www.drviragopete.com

A CRV recorder is a big thing:

farm4.static.flickr.com

RLVdiscs were silver on one side, and colored on the other side with a polymer dye, like this red one, which was the only picture I was able to find. Unlike CRVdiscs, RLVdisc (and reportedly the output of the Pioneer LaserRecorder) could be played in a regular laserdisc player.

www.drviragopete.comwww.drviragopete.com

The ODC recorder was a really big thing:

i137.photobucket.com

Pioneer also had a recorder, which was closer in size to the Sony unit depicted above.

upload.wikimedia.org

I couldn't find a picture of the Pioneer media, and don't know if it was Pioneer-specific, or if you could record an RLVdisc with it. I don't think a caddy was involved. I believe the Pioneer units produced discs that were compatible with regular laserdisc players.

The pictures on the Facebook page linked to by the original article show a silver-surfaced disc with a white backing.

scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.netscontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net

The ROTJ discs look like conventionally-mastered laserdiscs. Because recordable laserdiscs were so ridiculously expensive ($10000+ for the recording equipment, and several hundred dollars per disc), the breakeven cost of mastering a conventional laserdisc vs. burning a one-off laserdisc was probably in the 5-10 unit range. A company like Lucasfilm at the point of ROTJ would have had the ability to produce plenty of both, in-house.

If you can afford the editing system, you can afford the media, and if you can afford to build an editing system like EditDroid (1984 demo at NAB tradeshow) and a documentary preview I found), the cost of the media is hardly a factor.

tl;dr: I'm a nerd, and this concludes our late-night walk through of obscure video recording formats.
 
2013-10-24 03:54:23 AM

harlock: The Star Wars box set discs are indeed the best copy available of the un-mangled versions. No HD copies exist of the original versions that I am aware of, sadly.


Au contraire...

Disclaimer:  these are not actually the originals, they are reconstructed to be as close to the originals as possible.  But they are in 720p HD, and they are very well done; unless you're extremely intimately familiar with these movies the average viewer would be hard-pressed to tell the difference.
 
2013-10-24 05:09:32 AM

paulleah: Is this that movie where that Dark Vader guy is Lucas' dad or something?  I think there was a bigfoot or something in it and some robots?  Is this that movie?


no, no.. he is his father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.
 
2013-10-24 05:17:18 AM

Phil Clinton: I'm 27 and have never watched a Star Wars movie.  No reason for it, just haven't.  Maybe this weekend if I find the time I'll hit up blockbuster.


Make sure to watch them in Machete order
 
2013-10-24 05:20:22 AM

karmachameleon: harlock: The Star Wars box set discs are indeed the best copy available of the un-mangled versions. No HD copies exist of the original versions that I am aware of, sadly.

Au contraire...

Disclaimer:  these are not actually the originals, they are reconstructed to be as close to the originals as possible.  But they are in 720p HD, and they are very well done; unless you're extremely intimately familiar with these movies the average viewer would be hard-pressed to tell the difference.


there is an even better version... with the original 7 channel audio mix from the 70mm film. I won't link here, but if you want to know, let me know here.
 
2013-10-24 05:35:21 AM
harlock:
The analog signal in general was much more friendly to shuttling around than DVD and Blu Ray.   We've paid for quality with lack of accessibility, since DVDs and BRDs use MPEG compression that does not include a full set of data (i-frame) on every frame, to save space.    BluRay discs using MPEG 4 are worse than DVDs which use MPEG II.  (you can also use MPEG-II on BRDs)

I liked the rest of your post, but may I correct? I-Frames aren't a full set of data either. They're basically jpegs. I wouldn't say you've lost accessibility, since the P and B frames are more or less motion vectors, but reconstruct to the particular frame. It's just another method of compression. MPEG-4 video is actually better than MPEG-2 video (codec-wise, if you want to be pedantic), but one can always screw up the settings and make it worse. MPEG-2 can be crap too if you run 10 seconds of B frames and don't inject I frames at scene transitions, while turning down the bit rate. Just look at what the cable and satellite companies do to not-so-popular HD channels. And what you got on LaserDisc was effectively compressed too, but analog, and worse a codec than what MPEG 2 and 4 offer. However, you can only get from MPEG whatever you put in.

Your main problem is with the political decisions in post-production, not the technology.
 
2013-10-24 05:40:32 AM

Eegah: Make sure to watch them in Machete order


Wow. That makes a LOT of sense. That's officially my new way to introduce people to the movies when kids start showing up in my extended family.
 
2013-10-24 06:31:46 AM
Machete order- brilliant!
 
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