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(Al Jazeera)   Native Americans to Oklahoma legislature and their homophobically amended constitution: We are now offering gay weddings on tribal lands and there's not a thing you can do about it. LOLZ   (america.aljazeera.com) divider line 133
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2013-10-23 06:35:41 PM
The two men are planning a wedding ceremony on Halloween in the presence of family and friends, and they invited Oklahoma's Gov. Mary Fallin - a fierce opponent of gay marriage. She politely declined

Color me shocked.
 
2013-10-23 07:01:17 PM
Why should those durn Indians get special rights apart from real Oklahomans?
 
2013-10-23 07:22:54 PM
This has also been floated as a way around abortion restrictions. Just do it on Native American reservations.
 
2013-10-23 08:31:09 PM
Hell yeah, the Cheyenne and Arapaho casino in Concho can have a wedding chapel too, just like Vegas!

/read about this in the Daily Oklahoman
//I bet if made heads explode
///that casino always has good concerts, but it's on the wrong side of OKC for me
 
2013-10-23 08:50:59 PM
Per TFA, one of the two people getting married needs to be a member of the tribe. So not quite a way around the Oklahoma law for the majority of gay people there.
 
2013-10-23 08:51:26 PM
Nice!

Stick it to the hicks and make a tidy profit. Win! Win!
 
2013-10-23 08:52:03 PM

ShawnDoc: one of the two people getting married needs to be a member of the tribe.


Goddammitsomuch
 
2013-10-23 08:56:15 PM
Would an Indian reservation in the middle of Oklahoma still be a red state?
 
2013-10-23 08:58:54 PM
My Indian name is Tenbeers
 
2013-10-23 09:01:07 PM

2xhelix: The two men are planning a wedding ceremony on Halloween in the presence of family and friends, and they invited Oklahoma's Gov. Mary Fallin - a fierce opponent of gay marriage. She politely declined

Color me shocked.


At least it was polite.  Believe me, not everyone would be.
 
2013-10-23 09:04:16 PM
The US Constitution and tribal sovereignty, so there.

img.fark.net
 
2013-10-23 09:16:20 PM

ShawnDoc: Per TFA, one of the two people getting married needs to be a member of the tribe. So not quite a way around the Oklahoma law for the majority of gay people there


Read it closely: According to their legal code, the candidates should be married on sovereign land and one should be a member of the tribes, but a marriage license should not specify a couple's gender. So you don't necessarily need to.
Also, a very large number of the gay community here in  the state that I know, can claim at least a single native ancestor, which is all that's needed for membership in some tribes.
 
2013-10-23 09:26:14 PM

NewportBarGuy: Nice!

Stick it to the hicks and make a tidy profit. Win! Win!


I had a TDY to Fort Sill once.  The only thing that would improve that state is an orbital strike.
 
2013-10-23 09:34:34 PM

Sgt Otter: NewportBarGuy: Nice!

Stick it to the hicks and make a tidy profit. Win! Win!

I had a TDY to Fort Sill once.  The only thing that would improve that state is an orbital strike.


I feel the same way about Knox. I actually liked Louisville and my sister even moved there a few years after I left. Her husband got a job there for a few years. Plus, bourbon country is awesome.

Still, if you gave me the Football, I'd take out Knox and Hood. They give us the sh*ttiest places in the country because who else would let us blow the place up and not notice the difference?

I don't think the foodservice people at Knox had a single set of complete teeth between the lot of them.

Meh, now I'm being mean. I just hated the f*cking place.
 
2013-10-23 09:37:31 PM
images3.wikia.nocookie.net

HA HA. FEDERAL-TRIBAL LAND SOVEREIGNTY.*

*Except when federal disaster aid is required, then they have to ask the state governor to declare a state of emergency for that area.
 
2013-10-23 09:42:26 PM
So they started a new Trail of Tears.
 
2013-10-23 09:45:50 PM

gameshowhost: The US Constitution and tribal sovereignty, so there.

[img.fark.net image 600x610]




Sometimes, Internet. I just don't know about you.
 
2013-10-23 10:01:40 PM
That. Is. Awesome.
 
2013-10-23 10:03:57 PM

hardinparamedic: *Except when federal disaster aid is required, then they have to ask the state governor to declare a state of emergency for that area.


Wouldn't have been you with out the tag line.
 
2013-10-23 10:12:49 PM

Sgt Otter: NewportBarGuy: Nice!

Stick it to the hicks and make a tidy profit. Win! Win!

I had a TDY to Fort Sill once.  The only thing that would improve that state is an orbital strike.


Please don't judge the whole state by Lawton.  Even Okies apologize for Lawton.
 
2013-10-23 10:31:13 PM
Bwahahahaha
 
2013-10-23 10:46:15 PM
That's so gay
 
2013-10-23 10:46:17 PM
I knew there was a good reason we kept those engines around.
 
2013-10-23 10:48:01 PM
heh heh, OklaHOMO
 
2013-10-23 10:48:29 PM

gameshowhost: The US Constitution and tribal sovereignty, so there.

[img.fark.net image 600x610]


WTF that picture is, I don't know.  But it made me smile.
 
2013-10-23 10:50:09 PM

what_now: gameshowhost: The US Constitution and tribal sovereignty, so there.

[img.fark.net image 600x610]

Sometimes, Internet. I just don't know about you.


My days of underestimating the Internet have certainly come to a middle.
 
2013-10-23 10:52:25 PM
villiage people indian approves
 
2013-10-23 10:53:19 PM
Yeah, but then they make you gamble away all your money in their casino , and the hotel makes you sleep in AIDS blankets!
 
2013-10-23 10:53:56 PM
www.kingslandcourt.co.nz

village people indian approves
 
2013-10-23 10:54:23 PM
If the technicality is that 'tribal land isn't technically a part of Oklahoma, so different laws apply', then why not just get married in a state where its already legal? Different laws apply in other states, too. There's no particular need to invoke Indian reservations, and its not like you get married every day, so the travel burden would be minimal.
 
2013-10-23 10:55:20 PM
I submitted a link (didn't get greenlit) about a gay couple who were legally married in Iowa and they moved to Oklahoma (God only knows why) and when they went to the DMV to get the last name changed on one of the gal's license, found out that even though they were legally married in another state (and I always thought a legal document from another state carried weight in the other 49 and vice versa) because Oklahoma has the defense of marriage act on the books, the union isn't recognized and therefore she can't have her name changed.  Even though social security already issued her a new card with the new name on it plus the marriage license to boot, sorry ladies, Oklahoma isn't going to play ball.  Alternative, get a judge to change her last name, but once again, good luck getting that done here.  Especially when you have a judge denying a Transgendered petition to change his name to a female name because, as the judge put it, "name changes can be denied when the petitioner is attempting to change their name for purposes of fraud" and then he threw in some bible verses along with his ruling.

/Is this a great state or what?
//those of you who live in the OKC area should get that one.
 
2013-10-23 10:55:50 PM

2xhelix: So you don't necessarily need to.
Also, a very large number of the gay community here in  the state that I know, can claim at least a single native ancestor, which is all that's needed for membership in some tribes.


I think you're reading that "should" incorrectly. It's more like "If you want to make a sandwich you should get some bread." or "If you want to get your driver's license you should go to the DMV." It's not stating that the membership requirements are just a suggestion.

Also, membership in a tribe doesn't get you membership in this tribe.
 
2013-10-23 10:56:09 PM
Pickel and Black Bear.

PICKEL AND BLACK BEAR

PICKEL AND BLACK BEAR
 
2013-10-23 10:56:47 PM
Were there any adults in the room when they amended the OK consititution?
 
2013-10-23 10:57:35 PM
@ Jshine
Why not? The article said they were originally planning interstate for the wedding, but then the indian reservation was like "Sup mother farkers you can just do it here" and they were like "Cool" so they did.

I mean yeah you can travel interstate to do it, or you can do it closer by? Why would you take the more difficult option if there is an easier one?
 
2013-10-23 10:58:33 PM

coco ebert: That. Is. Awesome.

 
2013-10-23 10:58:46 PM

jshine: If the technicality is that 'tribal land isn't technically a part of Oklahoma, so different laws apply', then why not just get married in a state where its already legal? Different laws apply in other states, too. There's no particular need to invoke Indian reservations, and its not like you get married every day, so the travel burden would be minimal.


Exactly. Same with African Americans - plenty of towns allow them to stay in the city limits after sundown. Why is there a particular need for special rights in the other cities, where different laws apply.
 
2013-10-23 10:59:42 PM
You know, OK gays, you could just leave. Massachusetts welcomes your family, and your high disposable income.
 
2013-10-23 10:59:46 PM

jshine: If the technicality is that 'tribal land isn't technically a part of Oklahoma, so different laws apply'


Here is a tidbit, for the purposes of the lifeline program any person, tribe member or not, can qualify for the assistance if they live on land designated as "Indian Land"  For the purposes of the program, every single county in the state is listed as "Tribal land" except for the three counties in the panhandle (something to do with 'no man's land' back in pre statehood days)
 
2013-10-23 11:00:38 PM

basemetal: Hell yeah, the Cheyenne and Arapaho casino in Concho can have a wedding chapel too, just like Vegas!


Good point--some Native American reservations already have food and entertainment facilities to support large numbers of partygoers, this would require only a little bit of expansion.

Of course, states that choose to ignore your marriage will continue to do so.
 
2013-10-23 11:03:40 PM
FTFA: The code reflects the respect enshrined in some Native American communities for gay individuals, who are often believed to be endowed with special spiritual gifts.

Some might even say  fabulousspiritual gifts.
 
2013-10-23 11:04:49 PM

Mister Peejay: what_now: gameshowhost: The US Constitution and tribal sovereignty, so there.

[img.fark.net image 600x610]

Sometimes, Internet. I just don't know about you.

My days of underestimating the Internet have certainly come to a middle.


Really? I'm sure most of us were around the internet when mIRC was the thing, and the internet was still the wild west.

/And of horrible webpage design
//And the GIFs, we can't forget the GIFs
 
2013-10-23 11:05:04 PM
Papa Bear to Papa Bear,
Mama Hawk to Mama Hawk,
The spirit has no mushroom,
The spirit has no cave,
Merge forth into the rainbow world.
 
2013-10-23 11:06:18 PM

jimmyjackfunk: I submitted a link (didn't get greenlit) about a gay couple who were legally married in Iowa and they moved to Oklahoma (God only knows why) and when they went to the DMV to get the last name changed on one of the gal's license, found out that even though they were legally married in another state (and I always thought a legal document from another state carried weight in the other 49 and vice versa) because Oklahoma has the defense of marriage act on the books, the union isn't recognized and therefore she can't have her name changed.


States are no longer universally recognizing each other's marriage certificates, that has been known for some time.  And last summer's supreme court victory only applied to the federal government.

Now, if she had gotten her name changed in Iowa, and got a new drivers license there, and presented that and the social security card as ID when getting her Oklahoma driver's license, it probably would have gone through as long as the DMV never caught on that she had a wife.  I didn't have to present a birth certificate when getting a driver's license in a new state, I just presented the old one.
 
2013-10-23 11:07:48 PM

jshine: and its not like you get married every day, so the travel burden would be minimal.


I only had to go from Milwaukee to Dubuque (twice, once to get the license and then a mandatory delay of a few days until the wedding itself) to get married by the local magistrate in a brief pro forma civil ceremony in his office, but it was not an insignificant inconvenience. We had our actual ceremony with family and such a couple of weeks earlier in Wisconsin- the Iowa wedding was just us and the required two witnesses.

If we were in Oklahoma, and wanted to go to the nearest SSM-legal state (also Iowa) to get married, that would have meant a week-long road trip- more than 18hrs on the road plus the three-day waiting period in Nowhere, Iowa. In that scenario we probably just wouldn't have gotten a legal marriage certificate until we had an opportunity.
 
2013-10-23 11:07:52 PM
www.annarbor.com

Oklahomo, amirite?


/learnt from article the native americans think gays have special qualities...I wonder what they are. Sewing?
 
2013-10-23 11:09:04 PM

T-Servo: Why should those durn Indians get special rights apart from real Oklahomans?


The guy who is the speaker of the Oklahoma State Legislature is Native American, Well Half African-American and half Native.
upload.wikimedia.org

In fact one of the states congressmen is the only  recognized native american in congress
Dr. Tom Cole, PhD
www.oklahoma.feb.gov

Oh and here are some other Oklahoma Politicians who are Native American and also supported the gay marriage ban

Lisa Johnson Billy
www.library.okstate.edu

Chuck Hoskin
swtimes.com

Skye McNiel
www.okhouse.gov

Actually that state is basically run by the Chickasaw, Choctaw and Cherokee, and that states GOP is controlled by those groups. So don't say things about a state you know nothing about, and I'm not even from there
 
2013-10-23 11:09:40 PM
CygnusDarius:

Really? I'm sure most of us were around the internet when mIRC was the thing, and the internet was still the wild west.

mIRC is a program.  IRC is a protocol.

/remembers when IRC II was rolled out
/remembers when 1000 people online was a busy night
 
2013-10-23 11:10:24 PM

GungFu: [www.annarbor.com image 400x400]

Oklahomo, amirite?


/learnt from article the native americans think gays have special qualities...I wonder what they are. Sewing?


Interior decorating. And fashion sense.
 
2013-10-23 11:11:52 PM

flondrix: Now, if she had gotten her name changed in Iowa, and got a new drivers license there, and presented that and the social security card as ID when getting her Oklahoma driver's license, it probably would have gone through as long as the DMV never caught on that she had a wife.  I didn't have to present a birth certificate when getting a driver's license in a new state, I just presented the old one.


The sad thing is, they went to two tag offices got turned away, the third tag office did it.  Well in Oklahoma when you get a renewal or replacement, the old one is taken and destroyed.  She was getting back into the car when the tag agents realized it was two women on the marriage license, went out and had her come back in, took the new license they had just made, destroyed it and did a new one. If I read the story right, the new one came complete with a new picture of her with tears running down her face.  I don't think they were trying to be smartasses about it, but explained that the law is the law and therefore the license would be invalid, hence her being upset and crying in the new picture.

/explain that one to the cop that pulls you over.
 
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