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(Salon)   The most successful implementation of the exchanges has been in the red state of Kentucky, where the Governor implemented it almost by fiat   (salon.com) divider line 44
    More: Interesting, 34th state, Steve Beshear, u.s. healthcare, insurance exchange, obamacare  
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2013-10-23 12:58:51 PM
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2013-10-23 01:04:55 PM
This almost makes up for Beshear giving state money hand over fist in the form of tax breaks to snake salesman extraordinaire Ken Ham for creating the Mouth Breather's Museum of Science and Fred Flintstone Water Park.
 
2013-10-23 01:07:26 PM
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2013-10-23 01:11:54 PM
RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL!
 
2013-10-23 01:13:03 PM
TFA: That would leave the U.S. for a time with a bizarre, two-tiered healthcare system. One, for most people, that would work pretty well. Another highly dysfunctional one for post-policy conservatives, which would either last until the feds get it right, or slowly shrink over time as states recognized how pointless the stand they were taking really was.

Except I don't think the states would recognize pointlessness in their actions.  I think they would use the opportunity to react against a federal government program and make the state level politics still more insular.  The people of the state would KNOW that Obamacare was terrible, and everyone they talked to - all their neighbors, their religious leaders, their state politicians - would be having the same experience.  And the voters just wouldn't understand why the rest of the nation wasn't up in arms about the TERRIBLE healthcare situation.  They wouldn't trust media that reported positively on the program.  And if the government system says in it's FUBAR state for an extended period of time, there would be a reluctance to trust it, no matter how well it might work in the future.

In other words, I think the primarily Republican politicians of the states would screw their own citizens to maintain various anti-Democratic voting blocks.
 
2013-10-23 01:14:14 PM
That's a lot of stupid to spew in not quite 9 minutes.
 
2013-10-23 01:15:10 PM
Beshear did something right?  I... I don't even know what to say.  I wasn't prepared for this at all.
 
2013-10-23 01:17:35 PM

quizzical: TFA: That would leave the U.S. for a time with a bizarre, two-tiered healthcare system. One, for most people, that would work pretty well. Another highly dysfunctional one for post-policy conservatives, which would either last until the feds get it right, or slowly shrink over time as states recognized how pointless the stand they were taking really was.

Except I don't think the states would recognize pointlessness in their actions.  I think they would use the opportunity to react against a federal government program and make the state level politics still more insular.  The people of the state would KNOW that Obamacare was terrible, and everyone they talked to - all their neighbors, their religious leaders, their state politicians - would be having the same experience.  And the voters just wouldn't understand why the rest of the nation wasn't up in arms about the TERRIBLE healthcare situation.  They wouldn't trust media that reported positively on the program.  And if the government system says in it's FUBAR state for an extended period of time, there would be a reluctance to trust it, no matter how well it might work in the future.

In other words, I think the primarily Republican politicians of the states would screw their own citizens to maintain various anti-Democratic voting blocks.


So, business as usual then?
 
2013-10-23 01:18:53 PM
It's pretty cool that Kentucky is doing so well, especially for being such a deep red state.

I'm still collecting success stories about the ACA on a tumblr: acasuccessstories.tumblr.com. If you have one or know of one, please consider sharing it! There's also a link in my profile.
 
2013-10-23 01:22:21 PM
Obamacare not working thread: 500 comments with trolls saying "I told you so" every 3rd one.
Obamacare working thread: 9 comments.
 
2013-10-23 01:23:10 PM

Stile4aly: Obamacare not working thread: 500 comments with trolls saying "I told you so" every 3rd one.
Obamacare working thread: 9 comments.


It is always easier to destroy than to create.
 
2013-10-23 01:25:33 PM
  It doesn't fit the media narrative at the moment, but the popularity for ACA is growing across the board, and it will continue to grow.   Even if the national site is glitchy, the jack-booted thugs didn show up on your doorstep take away your employer provided healthcare and put you in a death panel as foretold by the cry-wolfers.    Citizens of states who participated and were invested in making it work saw lower costs.      Eventually the other states will eventually get on board.   They'll just  rebrand it Bushmaster Staubach Jesus TexasCare or Bear Bedford Forrest AlabamaCare.
 
2013-10-23 01:26:16 PM

Stile4aly: Obamacare not working thread: 500 comments with trolls saying "I told you so" every 3rd one.
Obamacare working thread: 9 comments.


Sort of like one of those roach motels, you can trap em with sticky headline.
 
2013-10-23 01:28:09 PM
To be fair, though, remember: Kentucky's not a red state. It's a red Commonwealth. As in "our common wealth". As in "the wealth we all share".

As in Socialism.
 
2013-10-23 01:30:08 PM
Oregon's is working reasonably well too.
 
2013-10-23 01:30:52 PM
"I'm sure glad I can sign up for Kynect  rather than that socialist ObamaCare!"

Bashir is a genius, and you have to admire Kentucky's long time ability to keep their populists complacent while still providing one of the best public television systems in the country and a well funded park and recreation system.
 
2013-10-23 01:34:26 PM
Was Beshear trying to fark something up, but farked up the farking up, and accidentally did a reverse, left-handed Krauthammer and created something not farked up?
 
2013-10-23 01:35:03 PM

Cyclometh: It's pretty cool that Kentucky is doing so well, especially for being such a deep red state.



It's been interesting following the reporting on how KY (my state, for better or worse) has handled the rollout. They apparently did a VERY smart thing in branding the whole thing with the KYnect label and generally avoided pointing out to people that it was the local implementation of 'Obamacare'. There was a really good article about the booth they had at the State Fair over the summer where they were handing out information and applications to people and explaining it- and more than a few people said, "Wow, this sounds like it's LOTS better than Obamacare..." while the staff had to bite their tongues to keep from pointing out that it WAS Obamacare- just not the 'steal your money, rape your dog, and burn all your American Flags' that the GOP has tried to paint it as.
 
2013-10-23 01:35:39 PM
Kentucky is red for two reasons: religion and racism.  The state has a median income of $23K/year, so it's certainly not a position they take out of self-interest.
 
2013-10-23 01:36:56 PM

Gonz: To be fair, though, remember: Kentucky's not a red state. It's a red Commonwealth. As in "our common wealth". As in "the wealth we all share".

As in Socialism.


And it's actually not a completely red state when there isn't a black man on the Democrat side of the ballot.  Aside from a Democratic Governor,  Bill Clinton won the state twice.
 
2013-10-23 01:41:25 PM

SixOfDLoC: The state has a median income of $23K/year, so it's certainly not a position they take out of self-interest.


Holy shat that's bad.

An interesting side note, if you look at the places that shifted hard right in both 2008 and 2012. Kentucky, Tennessee and West Virginia, the derp belt.

Link
 
2013-10-23 01:45:05 PM

timswar: quizzical: In other words, I think the primarily Republican politicians of the states would screw their own citizens to maintain various anti-Democratic voting blocks.

So, business as usual then?


A-yup.
 
2013-10-23 01:47:17 PM

Ashyukun: There was a really good article about the booth they had at the State Fair over the summer where they were handing out information and applications to people and explaining it- and more than a few people said, "Wow, this sounds like it's LOTS better than Obamacare..." while the staff had to bite their tongues to keep from pointing out that it WAS Obamacare- just not the 'steal your money, rape your dog, and burn all your American Flags' that the GOP has tried to paint it as.


Interesting.
 
2013-10-23 01:55:21 PM
Let's look at the grand scheme.  Massive failure.  Hardworking Americans.

Why?

Let's look at the grand scheme.  Complete failure.  Hardworking Americans.  Families, mothers and fathers.

Why?

Let's look at the grand scheme.  A monumental failure.  Hardworking Americans.

Um, thanks, congresswoman?
 
2013-10-23 01:56:56 PM
The website is pretty nice. I've been playing around with it for some of my family living in Kentucky.
 
2013-10-23 01:57:27 PM
And Fark is based in Kentucky, right? Hope Drew and Co are all signed up for the cirrhosis coverage.
 
2013-10-23 01:58:19 PM

Ambitwistor: Ashyukun: There was a really good article about the booth they had at the State Fair over the summer where they were handing out information and applications to people and explaining it- and more than a few people said, "Wow, this sounds like it's LOTS better than Obamacare..." while the staff had to bite their tongues to keep from pointing out that it WAS Obamacare- just not the 'steal your money, rape your dog, and burn all your American Flags' that the GOP has tried to paint it as.

Interesting.


Yup, that's it.
 
2013-10-23 02:00:43 PM

impaler: SixOfDLoC: The state has a median income of $23K/year, so it's certainly not a position they take out of self-interest.

Holy shat that's bad.

An interesting side note, if you look at the places that shifted hard right in both 2008 and 2012. Kentucky, Tennessee and West Virginia, the derp belt.

Link


I actually wouldn't be surprised if Kentucky swung back to purple/tossup status in 2016 with Hillary on the ballot.   There's a lot of history between the Clintons and Kentucky power infrastructure (coal mining unions).   She was polling ahead of Rubio and even Rand a few months ago in a hypothetical matchup.   Just having Bill campaign for her would be a huge asset.
 
2013-10-23 02:04:12 PM

Wellon Dowd: [carproperty.com image 850x571]


It is a very pretty convertible, but could you please explain the joke?
 
2013-10-23 02:11:08 PM

flondrix: Wellon Dowd: [carproperty.com image 850x571]

It is a very pretty convertible, but could you please explain the joke?


It's a "fiat" I think.
 
2013-10-23 02:14:16 PM

Arkanaut: And Fark is based in Kentucky, right? Hope Drew and Co are all signed up for the cirrhosis coverage.


No need to anymore!
 
2013-10-23 02:17:50 PM
Ah, my home state of Kentucky.  I didn't think it was possible to love and hate a place so much at the same time.  The morning after the 2012 election, some hillbillies at work trashed the bathroom in protest.  Every other person seems to be in some sort of Government assistance, and the ones I knew to actually abuse the system were either hardcore Republicans or Paultards.  And I certainly don't miss the oppressive air of extreme religiosity that permeates the entire state.

And I lived in Louisville.  The big, liberal Gomorrah.
 
2013-10-23 02:18:02 PM
Kentucky resident; I compared the rates available on the exchange. While they can't beat my current group coverage (through my European employer), they sure as hell beat the individual rate I had for crappier coverage in 2012.
 
2013-10-23 02:30:51 PM

DougTaupe: Kentucky resident; I compared the rates available on the exchange. While they can't beat my current group coverage (through my European employer), they sure as hell beat the individual rate I had for crappier coverage in 2012.


Same here. Insurance through my employer (large East Coast defense contractor) is still better for my needs since they have an essentially free HDHP plan and can put more than the deductible into a health savings account tax-free. The girlfriend isn't the most thrilled about the Individual Mandate since she's done just fine without insurance so far, but then she'll be covered by my insurance shortly enough and I'll be a lot happier knowing she's at least got a minimum of coverage in case anything major happens.
 
2013-10-23 02:50:42 PM

Cyclometh: It's pretty cool that Kentucky is doing so well, especially for being such a deep red state.

I'm still collecting success stories about the ACA on a tumblr: acasuccessstories.tumblr.com. If you have one or know of one, please consider sharing it! There's also a link in my profile.


Real Americans know that Obamacare is such a disaster that the only "succes stories" will be made-up tales by liberal shills whose other works of fiction include a tale of supposed "war crimes" committed by United States troops.
 
2013-10-23 03:04:15 PM
From the Gov: My State Needs Obamacare. Now.

He'll be a guest tonight on All In.
 
2013-10-23 03:06:33 PM

STAY THE COURSE!!!!



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2013-10-23 03:25:20 PM

Chakro: flondrix: Wellon Dowd: [carproperty.com image 850x571]

It is a very pretty convertible, but could you please explain the joke?

It's a "fiat" I think.


Fiat. Stands for "Fix It Again, Tony". It works on so many levels.
 
2013-10-23 03:26:05 PM
California is having a great roll out and we actually have people in out state!
 
2013-10-23 03:28:14 PM

Stile4aly: Obamacare not working thread: 500 comments with trolls saying "I told you so" every 3rd one.
Obamacare working thread: 9 comments.


I know they are saying that. But before the server roll out I have never heard one Republican say "You know why we shouldn't do Obamcare? Because their will be server issues when it's rolled out!"

So It's pretty obvious bullshiat with their "I Told you so" when they actually never did.
 
2013-10-23 03:43:42 PM

Rixel: Arkanaut: And Fark is based in Kentucky, right? Hope Drew and Co are all signed up for the cirrhosis coverage.

No need to anymore!


What, you think that treatment's free?
 
2013-10-23 03:46:02 PM

Dimensio: Real Americans know that Obamacare is such a disaster that the only "succes stories" will be made-up tales by liberal shills whose other works of fiction include a tale of supposed "war crimes" committed by United States troops.


What you did there, I see it.
 
2013-10-23 08:05:46 PM
Good thing Governor Indiana Teatard has promised to fight tooth and nail opposing something that he is required to do. Otherwise, we Hoosiers might be suffering in the same way Kentucky is.
 
2013-10-23 10:57:50 PM
I make just over 30k a year. If I dropped my employer provided plan, and went with the kybamacare I could save 2$ a month, with 0 government subsidy. Which ain't bad. It's not single payer, but once people get over the 'gov health care = evil' block, we might just get there.
 
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