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(LA Times)   The military's investment on a spy blimp for Afghanistan earned a whopping return of (-)99.9%   (latimes.com) divider line 62
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2013-10-23 10:35:56 AM
As opposed to the fantastic ROI from the rest of that contractor's job fair. (NSFW Link)
 
2013-10-23 10:36:49 AM
Dear subby and Los Angeles Times,,

Military spending is not an investment and shouldn't be expected to return a profit.
 
2013-10-23 10:36:49 AM
The Army maintains that technical data and computer software for its airship program will be useful for future projects

And that is the most important thing to come out of a lot of weapons projects.
 
2013-10-23 10:41:30 AM
We must not allow a mine shaft gap
 
2013-10-23 10:41:36 AM
What did they try and sell ad space on it?  How would you get money back from somethig like this?
 
2013-10-23 10:42:12 AM
Wellon Dowd: Dear subby America and the Los Angeles Times,

Military spending Boondoggles are not an investment and Youshouldn't expect the US Government to return a profit spend your money wisely, efficiently, nor with proper controls/accountability.

There FTFY
 
2013-10-23 10:42:28 AM
Well, sometimes stuff doesn't work out so great. That doesn't mean it wasn't worth trying. It also doesn't mean we shouldn't try again! Blimps are the future! Still! Like they have been since 1915!
 
2013-10-23 10:44:26 AM
Why $301,000, though? Why not a nice, round $300,000? Is 1k really that important when you just pissed away almost $300,000,000?

It stinks of payola or something similar. Someone had a deal that was triggered by a buyback price greater than $300k, so instead of making it $300,001 (which would raise too many eyebrows), they just moved the 1 to the left a few zeros.
 
2013-10-23 10:45:37 AM

Dick Gozinya: Why $301,000, though? Why not a nice, round $300,000? Is 1k really that important when you just pissed away almost $300,000,000?

It stinks of payola or something similar. Someone had a deal that was triggered by a buyback price greater than $300k, so instead of making it $300,001 (which would raise too many eyebrows), they just moved the 1 to the left a few zeros.


$301,000 is exactly 500,000.00 British pounds
 
2013-10-23 10:45:52 AM
But think of all the jobs that created without anyone having to scream about socialism or deficits. They ought to start the project again from scratch!
 
2013-10-23 10:46:27 AM
If only there were some kind of group of people who could oversee spending and budgets.      Some body of people who could somehow limit  spending with some sort of caps or ceilings.

Maybe some sort of graphs or charts would help them envision what might happen long term.   Like 10 years down the road.
 
2013-10-23 10:47:03 AM

ransack.: Dick Gozinya: Why $301,000, though? Why not a nice, round $300,000? Is 1k really that important when you just pissed away almost $300,000,000?

It stinks of payola or something similar. Someone had a deal that was triggered by a buyback price greater than $300k, so instead of making it $300,001 (which would raise too many eyebrows), they just moved the 1 to the left a few zeros.

$301,000 is exactly 500,000.00 British pounds


^This is very incorrect
 
2013-10-23 10:54:13 AM
Actually, this is a pretty good idea.  It was an expensive project that didn't have any direct war benefit, but this will go a long way towards the future where having unmanned airborne command, control, and recon centers will be the norm.  You can replace AWACS, not depend on orbital timing for satellites, etc with something like this.  Sometimes you hit deadends in R&D, but this isn't a deadend, it's a start.
 
2013-10-23 10:56:59 AM
Corporate welfare.
 
2013-10-23 10:59:02 AM

ransack.: Dick Gozinya: Why $301,000, though? Why not a nice, round $300,000? Is 1k really that important when you just pissed away almost $300,000,000?

It stinks of payola or something similar. Someone had a deal that was triggered by a buyback price greater than $300k, so instead of making it $300,001 (which would raise too many eyebrows), they just moved the 1 to the left a few zeros.

$301,000 is exactly 500,000.00 British pounds


Hmmm NO.

also I wonder how much of our $650 billion defense budget goes to 'programs' such as this.
 
2013-10-23 11:05:02 AM
Carnival Cruse  should develop a liner version.
 
2013-10-23 11:09:24 AM

bhcompy: Actually, this is a pretty good idea.  It was an expensive project that didn't have any direct war benefit, but this will go a long way towards the future where having unmanned airborne command, control, and recon centers will be the norm.  You can replace AWACS, not depend on orbital timing for satellites, etc with something like this.  Sometimes you hit deadends in R&D, but this isn't a deadend, it's a start.


Yeah, I'm fine with this kind of "waste" as long as we make sure there wasn't a lot of, "lost" money in the project.  It's farking science, we need more of that.  Not more "backup" engines for planes that won't actually be used anyway.

More interesting questions are things like why the project was a hybrid, why the product was overweight, why the project was set for such a short time frame.  I would bet the last one was where the shenanigans are.  Easy to apply "rush costs" to things, and if you're trying to get it done before the public wakes up to how much you're spending.

Anyways, selling it back...well it makes more sense than spending more money on storing the damn thing forever.  And if the project is well and truly dead those are the two options.  I mean you could sell it to Ron Paul instead, but he'd probably pay even less.
 
2013-10-23 11:11:45 AM

Evil Mackerel: Carnival Cruse  should develop a liner version.


Heck, they could have just BOUGHT this one.

The long term observation thing has a lot of merit, and airships like this are far and away the cheapest way to do it.
 
2013-10-23 11:11:49 AM
Sounded like a good idea. Wonder why it didn't see anything of value.
 
2013-10-23 11:11:54 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: But think of all the jobs that created without anyone having to scream about socialism or deficits. They ought to start the project again from scratch!


This.  Our military budget is insanely pork-ridden, yet the GOP, in general (a few exceptions), never goes after that waste.  Wasted enormous amounts of time and political capital attacking a website launch though.  Pretty infuriating.  Politicians (and their voters) love gorging on low-hanging fruit.
 
2013-10-23 11:12:27 AM

SuperNinjaToad: ransack.: Dick Gozinya: Why $301,000, though? Why not a nice, round $300,000? Is 1k really that important when you just pissed away almost $300,000,000?

It stinks of payola or something similar. Someone had a deal that was triggered by a buyback price greater than $300k, so instead of making it $300,001 (which would raise too many eyebrows), they just moved the 1 to the left a few zeros.


$301,000 is exactly 500,000.00 British pounds


Hmmm NO.


also I wonder how much of our $650 billion defense budget goes to 'programs' such as this.


www.zuguide.com
You don't actually think they spend $20,000 on a hammer, $30,000 on a toilet seat, do you?
 
2013-10-23 11:16:35 AM
In almost every case where you see 'Sen. John McCain ' mentioned in the news.... he is 5-10 years behind the rest of the world.

Gee,  really Senator?   You think maybe someone ought to look into yet another Gov't program than ran way over budget and produced very little ?    Really... you think ?

They have started floating the USS Ford,  which is not yet completed.    The US is 17 trillion in debt.  Obviously this newest Aircraft Carrier cannot be paid for.   We are just putting it on the nations credit card, for our grand children to pay for.

Watch McCain step in front of the cameras 5 years from now and ask 'how did that happen?'
 
2013-10-23 11:17:56 AM
OK, so now the British company can turn around and sell it, and the idea, to the Navy for 200 million and be that far ahead of schedule.
 
2013-10-23 11:18:10 AM

Whack-a-Mole: SuperNinjaToad: ransack.: Dick Gozinya: Why $301,000, though? Why not a nice, round $300,000? Is 1k really that important when you just pissed away almost $300,000,000?
It stinks of payola or something similar. Someone had a deal that was triggered by a buyback price greater than $300k, so instead of making it $300,001 (which would raise too many eyebrows), they just moved the 1 to the left a few zeros.
$301,000 is exactly 500,000.00 British pounds
Hmmm NO.
also I wonder how much of our $650 billion defense budget goes to 'programs' such as this.
[www.zuguide.com image 219x138]
You don't actually think they spend $20,000 on a hammer, $30,000 on a toilet seat, do you?


It's better than a black kid spending $300 on a belt, apparently.
 
2013-10-23 11:18:50 AM

Deep Contact: Sounded like a good idea. Wonder why it didn't see anything of value.


Wild speculation: the engineers drawing up the plans overestimated the tensile strength of the wings, had to up the reinforcement ended up overweight and over-budget.  Alternatively, some salesman lied and said it could do what it couldn't.

Honestly I'm still not sold on the whole hybrid airship idea, but I'm no aeronautics engineer.
 
2013-10-23 11:19:27 AM
Add a week to infantry school and make everyone learn to use the RQ11B.  Let NOAA and NASA work with blimps, trust your Joes with their own surveillance.  Inventing a great floating boondoggle so some shiathead General can feel like Nick Fury in his command room is farking stupid.
 
2013-10-23 11:20:03 AM

FLMountainMan: The Irresponsible Captain: But think of all the jobs that created without anyone having to scream about socialism or deficits. They ought to start the project again from scratch!

This.  Our military budget is insanely pork-ridden, yet the GOP, in general (a few exceptions), never goes after that waste.  Wasted enormous amounts of time and political capital attacking a website launch though.  Pretty infuriating.  Politicians (and their voters) love gorging on low-hanging fruit.


Yeah but I heard that website totally SUCKED. I have health insurance already, so I don't know firsthand. But I heard it sucked. You had to F5 two or three times before you got free medical care. That's inhuman, it's basically torture!
 
2013-10-23 11:21:38 AM

netcentric: In almost every case where you see 'Sen. John McCain ' mentioned in the news.... he is 5-10 years behind the rest of the world.

Gee,  really Senator?   You think maybe someone ought to look into yet another Gov't program than ran way over budget and produced very little ?    Really... you think ?

They have started floating the USS Ford,  which is not yet completed.    The US is 17 trillion in debt.  Obviously this newest Aircraft Carrier cannot be paid for.   We are just putting it on the nations credit card, for our grand children to pay for.

Watch McCain step in front of the cameras 5 years from now and ask 'how did that happen?'


Five years from now he will likely be a skeleton. This isn't a threat. It's just a statement based on facts and statistics.
 
2013-10-23 11:26:44 AM

ransack.: Yeah but I heard that website totally SUCKED. I have health insurance already, so I don't know firsthand. But I heard it sucked. You had to F5 two or three times before you got free medical care. That's inhuman, it's basically torture!


Free?
 
2013-10-23 11:27:45 AM

FLMountainMan: Whack-a-Mole: SuperNinjaToad: ransack.: Dick Gozinya: Why $301,000, though? Why not a nice, round $300,000? Is 1k really that important when you just pissed away almost $300,000,000?
It stinks of payola or something similar. Someone had a deal that was triggered by a buyback price greater than $300k, so instead of making it $300,001 (which would raise too many eyebrows), they just moved the 1 to the left a few zeros.
$301,000 is exactly 500,000.00 British pounds
Hmmm NO.
also I wonder how much of our $650 billion defense budget goes to 'programs' such as this.
[www.zuguide.com image 219x138]
You don't actually think they spend $20,000 on a hammer, $30,000 on a toilet seat, do you?

It's better than a black kid spending $300 on a belt, apparently.


I have you flagged as superduperracist because your profile explicitly states that abortion of black children is necessary for the society you want to live in. And I have no idea what this $300 belt comment is referencing. Maybe give a link next time?
 
2013-10-23 11:36:00 AM
*sigh*

I'm in the wrong farking business.
 
2013-10-23 11:36:15 AM

cig-mkr: OK, so now the British company can turn around and sell it, and the idea, to the Navy for 200 million and be that far ahead of schedule.


They probably only sold the actual kevlar covered blimp. I'd be willing to bet all the technology inside was kept.
 
2013-10-23 11:37:48 AM

cig-mkr: OK, so now the British company can turn around and sell it, and the idea, to the Navy for 200 million and be that far ahead of schedule.


More likely would be that the British firm turns around and sells the blimp to a country like S Korea or China or Brazil.    They re-engineer it and begin producing it for profit, and selling them to more countries.

The US has merely paid for the Research and Development costs... which is very very very common in the Defense realm.
We pay a huge portion of the worlds R&D costs for military spending.
 
2013-10-23 11:39:56 AM

Wellon Dowd: Dear subby and Los Angeles Times,,

Military spending is not an investment and shouldn't be expected to return a profit.


It worked for Rome.  ...well, up until it stopped working, anyway.
 
2013-10-23 11:44:34 AM

TNel: What did they try and sell ad space on it?  How would you get money back from somethig like this?


Yes, people need to know about the life on offworld colonies
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-23 11:45:27 AM
Call me crazy but doesn't spying generally involve the subject not knowing you are watching?
 
2013-10-23 11:50:20 AM

fireclown: ransack.: Yeah but I heard that website totally SUCKED. I have health insurance already, so I don't know firsthand. But I heard it sucked. You had to F5 two or three times before you got free medical care. That's inhuman, it's basically torture!

Free?


Free for the poor people who use Medicare or whatever. People like myself who earn enough dollars to actually have to pay taxes and already have health insurance are paying for it ultimately, I guess. I still support it though because even though my taxes go up, it should end up lowering the prices at the hospital because there will be less people welshing on their bills, and I guess that's supposed to even out eventually. I'm not old or unhealthy though so I don't use my insurance for anything anyway. I never crashed my car either but I still have car insurance. It's probably going to be overall good for society. The government already wastes so damn much money anyway, who even cares?
 
2013-10-23 11:54:55 AM

FLMountainMan: The Irresponsible Captain: But think of all the jobs that created without anyone having to scream about socialism or deficits. They ought to start the project again from scratch!

This.  Our military budget is insanely pork-ridden, yet the GOP, in general (a few exceptions), never goes after that waste.  Wasted enormous amounts of time and political capital attacking a website launch though.  Pretty infuriating.  Politicians (and their voters) love gorging on low-hanging fruit.


It has nothing to do with the GOP, really.  It has to do with local congressman.  When the military cuts a project that cuts jobs in a Democratic or Republican district, the local congressman protests.  It's just the way of things.
 
2013-10-23 11:55:12 AM

ransack.: it should end up lowering the prices at the hospital


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Let's increase demand while restricting supply!
 
2013-10-23 12:09:25 PM

bhcompy: FLMountainMan: The Irresponsible Captain: But think of all the jobs that created without anyone having to scream about socialism or deficits. They ought to start the project again from scratch!

This.  Our military budget is insanely pork-ridden, yet the GOP, in general (a few exceptions), never goes after that waste.  Wasted enormous amounts of time and political capital attacking a website launch though.  Pretty infuriating.  Politicians (and their voters) love gorging on low-hanging fruit.

It has nothing to do with the GOP, really.  It has to do with local congressman.  When the military cuts a project that cuts jobs in a Democratic or Republican district, the local congressman protests.  It's just the way of things.


...though the GOP does spend a lot more time fellating the military; it's the only part of the budget were they usually don't mind massive spending increases.

/ though I suppose it is fun to be able to blow shiat up
 
2013-10-23 12:09:37 PM

ransack.: $301,000 is exactly 500,000.00 British pounds


Yes, apart from where it isn't. Pounds are worth more than dollars, dumbass. US$301k is (approximately) GBP186k.
 
2013-10-23 12:11:57 PM

gweilo8888: ransack.: $301,000 is exactly 500,000.00 British pounds

Yes, apart from where it isn't. Pounds are worth more than dollars, dumbass. US$301k is (approximately) GBP186k.


I would say he got his converter backwards since 301k GBP is close to 500k US but he did say exactly.
 
2013-10-23 12:12:09 PM

YixilTesiphon: ransack.: it should end up lowering the prices at the hospital

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Let's increase demand while restricting supply!


I finished that with "because there will be less people welshing on their bills"

Before I had insurance I went to the ER three times and had like $12,000 in bills which I could not possibly pay and just ignored until they went away. This forces customers who can afford to pay their bills to absorb the cost of care for financially insolvent individuals like I was then. This should be a non-issue if everyone has insurance, theoretically.
 
2013-10-23 12:15:44 PM

ransack.: YixilTesiphon: ransack.: it should end up lowering the prices at the hospital

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Let's increase demand while restricting supply!

I finished that with "because there will be less people welshing on their bills"

Before I had insurance I went to the ER three times and had like $12,000 in bills which I could not possibly pay and just ignored until they went away. This forces customers who can afford to pay their bills to absorb the cost of care for financially insolvent individuals like I was then. This should be a non-issue if everyone has insurance, theoretically.



But socialism!  Oh wait, this is exactly what the republicans *want* to happen (i.e., what the system looked like before Obamacare, and what it would be like if the ACA were repealed).  I guess if they want it, it's not socialism then?...
 
2013-10-23 12:18:27 PM
Sounds like a solution in search of a problem.

This is something that never should have made it off the drawing board - or if it did, it should be a need that is persistent and worth keeping regardless of the level of U.S. troop involvement in Afghanistan.
 
2013-10-23 12:27:08 PM

jshine: ransack.: YixilTesiphon: ransack.: it should end up lowering the prices at the hospital

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Let's increase demand while restricting supply!

I finished that with "because there will be less people welshing on their bills"

Before I had insurance I went to the ER three times and had like $12,000 in bills which I could not possibly pay and just ignored until they went away. This forces customers who can afford to pay their bills to absorb the cost of care for financially insolvent individuals like I was then. This should be a non-issue if everyone has insurance, theoretically.


But socialism!  Oh wait, this is exactly what the republicans *want* to happen (i.e., what the system looked like before Obamacare, and what it would be like if the ACA were repealed).  I guess if they want it, it's not socialism then?...


Well, the ACA is sort of just a more formalized version of the same basic system. People who can pay, pay, and people who can't pay, don't pay. Only now there's a lot more paperwork. Less jobs at collections agencies, more jobs answering phones for the government since I heard the website doesn't work and the president suggested people call. It's all too complicated for one person to understand. That's why the government is tens of thousands of people.
 
2013-10-23 12:28:29 PM
Hello airplanes? Yeah, this is blimps, you win.
 
2013-10-23 12:34:33 PM
.. meanwhile, only two Brigades combat ready.
 
2013-10-23 12:45:12 PM
I watched this airship go up from McGuire AFB.  Was kind of neat looking, kind of like a UFO.

/I want to believe
 
2013-10-23 12:55:56 PM

ransack.: FLMountainMan: Whack-a-Mole: SuperNinjaToad: ransack.: Dick Gozinya: Why $301,000, though? Why not a nice, round $300,000? Is 1k really that important when you just pissed away almost $300,000,000?
It stinks of payola or something similar. Someone had a deal that was triggered by a buyback price greater than $300k, so instead of making it $300,001 (which would raise too many eyebrows), they just moved the 1 to the left a few zeros.
$301,000 is exactly 500,000.00 British pounds
Hmmm NO.
also I wonder how much of our $650 billion defense budget goes to 'programs' such as this.
[www.zuguide.com image 219x138]
You don't actually think they spend $20,000 on a hammer, $30,000 on a toilet seat, do you?

It's better than a black kid spending $300 on a belt, apparently.

I have you flagged as superduperracist because your profile explicitly states that abortion of black children is necessary for the society you want to live in. And I have no idea what this $300 belt comment is referencing. Maybe give a link next time?


If you can understand this post in spite of your complete lack of reading comprehension or critical thinking ability, check out the "Shopping While Black" thread a few threads down.
 
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