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(CNN)   Obama: "How was I supposed to know that the main public platform of my signature piece of legislation that's divided this country in two for my entire presidency wasn't working?"   (cnn.com) divider line 309
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2013-10-23 10:34:22 AM
So the failure of a website means that the entire program is a failure? Am I understanding this correctly?
 
2013-10-23 10:36:41 AM
I'll bet he knew it was Brett's fault over in Development, too. That Obama, keeping tabs on every government employee & program.
 
2013-10-23 10:37:29 AM
I love how all these Republicans, after doing everything they can to make the rollout as difficult as possible, are now suddenly SO concerned that people are having trouble with the website.

No one's buying it, assholes.

Aar1012: So the failure of a website means that the entire program is a failure? Am I understanding this correctly?


Not only that, but Medicare and Social Security will just have to go, too.  There's no other way to save America.
 
2013-10-23 10:41:27 AM
Works great for me.
 
2013-10-23 10:44:25 AM
Is anyone surprised that there were issues with the website?  Hell, if it had rolled out flawlessly, I'd be suspicious.
 
2013-10-23 10:45:24 AM

Aar1012: So the failure of a website means that the entire program is a failure? Am I understanding this correctly?


No, but its not off to a good start.

Its inexcusable to have 2 years and all the resources you need to build something, and it doesn't work, and you are the project manager and you dont even tell your boss it doesnt work.
 
2013-10-23 10:48:12 AM

Lionel Mandrake: I love how all these Republicans, after doing everything they can to make the rollout as difficult as possible, are now suddenly SO concerned that people are having trouble with the website.

No one's buying it, assholes.

Aar1012: So the failure of a website means that the entire program is a failure? Am I understanding this correctly?

Not only that, but Medicare and Social Security will just have to go, too.  There's no other way to save America.


That's why people talk about the virtues of a PRINCIPLED opposition. Had the GOP spent their time being honest critics working toward solving the problems of a flawed system, their opinions would be entitled to more respect.

But since they chose the route of strapping on a bomb and threatening to blow up the hostage as an opening gambit, they'll have a bit of trouble trying to pretend their intentions are honorable.
 
2013-10-23 10:49:00 AM

vernonFL: Its inexcusable to have 2 years and all the resources you need to build something, and it doesn't work, and you are the project manager and you dont even tell your boss it doesnt work.


this happens in the defense industry ALL the time. are we really surprised that it happened here?
 
2013-10-23 10:49:34 AM
The country was divided in 2 long before he took office.  This was only a small part of it.
 
2013-10-23 10:50:31 AM

vernonFL: Aar1012: So the failure of a website means that the entire program is a failure? Am I understanding this correctly?

No, but its not off to a good start.

Its inexcusable to have 2 years and all the resources you need to build something, and it doesn't work, and you are the project manager and you dont even tell your boss it doesnt work.


I was under the impression that funding for the site was held up?
 
2013-10-23 10:53:02 AM

FlashHarry: vernonFL: Its inexcusable to have 2 years and all the resources you need to build something, and it doesn't work, and you are the project manager and you dont even tell your boss it doesnt work.

this happens in the defense industry ALL the time. are we really surprised that it happened here?


Its BS when it happens in the defense industry too.
 
2013-10-23 10:57:25 AM

vernonFL: FlashHarry: vernonFL: Its inexcusable to have 2 years and all the resources you need to build something, and it doesn't work, and you are the project manager and you dont even tell your boss it doesnt work.

this happens in the defense industry ALL the time. are we really surprised that it happened here?

Its BS when it happens in the defense industry too.


It's true. Everything the government does has to be perfect the first time, always. If a company like Microsoft or EA did something like this, they'd be out of business.
 
2013-10-23 10:57:34 AM

raerae1980: vernonFL: Aar1012: So the failure of a website means that the entire program is a failure? Am I understanding this correctly?

No, but its not off to a good start.

Its inexcusable to have 2 years and all the resources you need to build something, and it doesn't work, and you are the project manager and you dont even tell your boss it doesnt work.

I was under the impression that funding for the site was held up?


They requested the additional funding to get the website working.  The Republicans said no.  Also they were expecting a lot more state exchanges, but the Republicans didn't want them or the money that went with them.
 
2013-10-23 11:08:48 AM
Well, when Sebelius stands there and says, 'we didn't tell Obama about it' then I say it gives him some room to say that he didn't know.

Or does everybody expect that the NSA was going to report this info to him?
 
2013-10-23 11:09:04 AM

EvilEgg: raerae1980: vernonFL: Aar1012: So the failure of a website means that the entire program is a failure? Am I understanding this correctly?

No, but its not off to a good start.

Its inexcusable to have 2 years and all the resources you need to build something, and it doesn't work, and you are the project manager and you dont even tell your boss it doesnt work.

I was under the impression that funding for the site was held up?

They requested the additional funding to get the website working.  The Republicans said no.  Also they were expecting a lot more state exchanges, but the Republicans didn't want them or the money that went with them.


That's been what I've figured for a while was a large part of the problem- there was so much uncertainty about things and pushing from the GOP to scrap the whole thing that it's not surprising things were running behind and badly managed. It's kind of hard to bring your A Game when what you're working on is constantly changing and has a very powerful group of people doing their best to kill it with fire. As for not telling Obama about it? Not all that surprised- nobody really wants to have to tell their boss that something is going to be a disaster, they're far more likely to work to fix it until the last minute in hopes that it will work and the boss won't find out...
 
2013-10-23 11:11:07 AM

Aar1012: So the failure of a website means that the entire program is a failure? Am I understanding this correctly?


Some people had log in problems.  Time to go back to pre-existing condition loopholes.
 
2013-10-23 11:12:25 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-23 11:12:35 AM
If the Republicans want to complain about the federal website not working, they'll have to explain why, exactly, their states left the responsibility of making that website to the federal government when other states like Kentucky, Washington, New York, and California all chose to make their own and are having virtually no problems whatsoever. Given that three out of four Americans think the GOP was politically motivated in shutting down the government over ObamaCare objections, I don't think it will be difficult at all to say the choice to leave the exchange in the hands of Sebelius was politically motivated either.
 
hej
2013-10-23 11:13:16 AM
That's one of the most trolltastic headlines I've seen in a while.  Bravo,  subby.
 
2013-10-23 11:13:36 AM
We should have just nationalized all the health insurance cartels... i mean corporations.
 
2013-10-23 11:14:32 AM

Aar1012: So the failure of a website means that the entire program is a failure? Am I understanding this correctly?


Yes, Obama should have tested it!
 
2013-10-23 11:15:01 AM

Aar1012: So the failure of a website means that the entire program is a failure? Am I understanding this correctly?


Who knows? The faq is faulty.
 
2013-10-23 11:15:01 AM
The program is working.

The poster for the program has some tears in it
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-10-23 11:16:33 AM

Aar1012: So the failure of a website means that the entire program is a failure? Am I understanding this correctly?


Yes that is what it means.  Because basically the government is going to TAX people for not signing up for Obamacare when they have no insurance.  And then the tool to allow them to sign up and avoid the penalty doesn't work.  And preceding the October 1st date of roll out there was a major conflict that led to the partial shutdown of the government and the loss of 24 billion to the economy over ObamaCare and the website hasn't worked in over 3 weeks.  That is a complete failure.  How anyone could trust the government anywhere near their healthcare after this kind of botched roll out is the question.  The entire program is a failure until it works.  Which it hasn't.
 
2013-10-23 11:16:37 AM
It's one of the biggest web deployments in internet history involving several hundred different organizations, private and public. I'm sure it will launch with no hitches whatsoever.

Said no one. Ever.
 
2013-10-23 11:16:37 AM
I can't wait for them to fix the website so the GOP has to find something new to complain about.
 
2013-10-23 11:16:50 AM
Yes, it's the ACA that was dividing the country.
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i13.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-23 11:16:53 AM
It's funny because that headline implies if it weren't for the ACA republicans would be all warm and fuzzy and wouldn't find something else to be outraged about.
 
2013-10-23 11:17:48 AM

EvilEgg: raerae1980: vernonFL: Aar1012: So the failure of a website means that the entire program is a failure? Am I understanding this correctly?

No, but its not off to a good start.

Its inexcusable to have 2 years and all the resources you need to build something, and it doesn't work, and you are the project manager and you dont even tell your boss it doesnt work.

I was under the impression that funding for the site was held up?

They requested the additional funding to get the website working.  The Republicans said no.  Also they were expecting a lot more state exchanges, but the Republicans didn't want them or the money that went with them.


Actually, opting for the federal exchange option was probably the only thing the republicans did correctly in this whole thing.  I can only see running atate exchanges costing the states more in the long run than what Washington gives them.

I would also expect that a fedreal exchange would naturally have better buying power than the state exchange due to the sheer size of the population covered.  This larger pool should only help the ACA succeed in the long run by driving premiums down.
 
2013-10-23 11:18:12 AM
I heard the DMV was broken too. time to repeal driving licenses
 
2013-10-23 11:18:34 AM
When your baby is born with a cleft lip, the proper thing to do is put your baby in the garbage disposal.

Sincerely,
Compassionate Conservatives
 
2013-10-23 11:18:37 AM

Lando Lincoln: I can't wait for them to fix the website so the GOP has to find something new to complain about.


It will be the new "economy" argument.

The economy is rebounding, but not fast enough!

Ok, the website is fixed, but it wasn't fixed fast enough!
 
2013-10-23 11:18:38 AM

Aar1012: So the failure of a website means that the entire program is a failure? Am I understanding this correctly?


Yes.  Just like when Medicare Part D was rolled out under the Obama administration.

cdn.crooksandliars.com

Oh, wait... that was under the Bush administration and the Democrats reacted slightly different.
http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/how-democrats-saved-bushs-medicar e- drug-program
 
2013-10-23 11:20:33 AM

BunkyBrewman: Aar1012: So the failure of a website means that the entire program is a failure? Am I understanding this correctly?

Yes.   Just like when Medicare Part D was rolled out under the Obama administration.

[cdn.crooksandliars.com image 500x328]

Oh, wait... that was under the Bush administration and the Democrats reacted slightly different.
http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/how-democrats-saved-bushs-medicar e- drug-program


The rollouts of Medicare and Social Security were also botched pretty badly too.
 
2013-10-23 11:20:53 AM

vernonFL: FlashHarry: vernonFL: Its inexcusable to have 2 years and all the resources you need to build something, and it doesn't work, and you are the project manager and you dont even tell your boss it doesnt work.

this happens in the defense industry ALL the time. are we really surprised that it happened here?

Its BS when it happens in the defense industry too.


I guess Issa will be holding hearings regularly, then?
 
2013-10-23 11:21:40 AM
So I guess now Ted Cruz is president, and Barack Obama has to get his healthcare from Dr. Nick Riviera.
 
2013-10-23 11:21:42 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: vernonFL: FlashHarry: vernonFL: Its inexcusable to have 2 years and all the resources you need to build something, and it doesn't work, and you are the project manager and you dont even tell your boss it doesnt work.

this happens in the defense industry ALL the time. are we really surprised that it happened here?

Its BS when it happens in the defense industry too.

It's true. Everything the government does has to be perfect the first time, always. If a company like Microsoft or EA did something like this, they'd be out of business.


It isn't about being perfect all the time for everything.  It is about NOT being the Keystone Kops with the signature initiative, the most important thing in the administration's legacy, that was more important than ALL non-essential government jobs, the economy, foreign policy or anything else, This is the thing when you have 2 years to prepare, it HAS to roll out flawlessly.  For crying out loud it is ONLY a website.  All it has to do is work.  And they DIDN'T even test their code and see it was garbage that went ridiculously over budget, and the Sebelius said she talked to the president about possibly testing it.
 
2013-10-23 11:21:51 AM
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
jasonplayne.com

Uh.  No?
sharing.woodtv.com

www.theitcrowd.co.uk
 
2013-10-23 11:21:54 AM

raerae1980: Is anyone surprised that there were issues with the website?  Hell, if it had rolled out flawlessly, I'd be suspicious.


If it worked from day one the illuminate would have definitely had a hand it getting it to work. Not to mention Cisco, Intel and Microsoft.
 
2013-10-23 11:22:59 AM

vernonFL: FlashHarry: vernonFL: Its inexcusable to have 2 years and all the resources you need to build something, and it doesn't work, and you are the project manager and you dont even tell your boss it doesnt work.

this happens in the defense industry ALL the time. are we really surprised that it happened here?

Its BS when it happens in the defense industry too.


Obviously this means the military is a failure and should be dismantled.

Seriously though, the Republican's biggest fear was never that the ACA was going to be a terrible service, but rather that it wouldn't be, and maybe people would decide modest government involvement in the marketplace wasn't the worst thing in the world.
 
2013-10-23 11:23:40 AM

BunkyBrewman: Aar1012: So the failure of a website means that the entire program is a failure? Am I understanding this correctly?

Yes.  Just like when Medicare Part D was rolled out under the Obama administration.

[cdn.crooksandliars.com image 500x328]

Oh, wait... that was under the Bush administration and the Democrats reacted slightly different.
http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/how-democrats-saved-bushs-medicar e- drug-program


People should also look at how many problems there were when Johnson signed Medicare into law.  Wow, government programs don't work perfectly at first?  Who would have ever guessed?
 
2013-10-23 11:24:00 AM

EvilEgg: raerae1980: vernonFL: Aar1012: So the failure of a website means that the entire program is a failure? Am I understanding this correctly?

No, but its not off to a good start.

Its inexcusable to have 2 years and all the resources you need to build something, and it doesn't work, and you are the project manager and you dont even tell your boss it doesnt work.

I was under the impression that funding for the site was held up?

They requested the additional funding to get the website working.  The Republicans said no. Also they were expecting a lot more state exchanges, but the Republicans didn't want them or the money that went with them.


Do you have anything to support that claim? This Reuters story says they were dumping tens of millions in additional funding into the site.
 
2013-10-23 11:24:09 AM

raerae1980: Is anyone surprised that there were issues with the website?  Hell, if it had rolled out flawlessly, I'd be suspicious.


Understatement. Tricky way to re-frame the argument. I like it.

The war in Iraq = kerfuffle
Unemployment = contemplation time
Gunshot wound = lead irritation
Living in the projects - habitrails of humanity

feel free to add your own
 
2013-10-23 11:24:13 AM

nmiguy: , it HAS to roll out flawlessly


No it doesn't.  Why were you expecting something flawless?  You're expectations sound too high for this.
 
2013-10-23 11:24:42 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: It's true. Everything the government does has to be perfect the first time, always.


Which is a neat trick when the government is ALWAYS incompetent at everything it has ever done.
 
2013-10-23 11:24:43 AM

vernonFL: Aar1012: So the failure of a website means that the entire program is a failure? Am I understanding this correctly?

No, but its not off to a good start.

Its inexcusable to have 2 years and all the resources you need to build something, and it doesn't work, and you are the project manager and you dont even tell your boss it doesnt work.


[inigomontoya.jpg]
 
2013-10-23 11:25:16 AM

Aar1012: So the failure of a website means that the entire program is a failure? Am I understanding this correctly?


That's pretty much the gist. We should also blacklist Drew and unsubscribe from TF because someone poured beer on the server.
 
2013-10-23 11:25:56 AM

Lando Lincoln: I can't wait for them to fix the website so the GOP has to find something new to complain about.


The design is bad! We'll never get over it!
 
2013-10-23 11:26:00 AM

Here you go, Subtard....




4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-23 11:26:28 AM
I don't understand. The first one or two days of the site, yeah, I had trouble getting to it (I'm guessing high volumes).

I went to it yesterday and today and was able to do everything I tried.

Are you saying this "the site doesn't work at all!" is another Fox News lie?
 
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