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(CBC)   You see, all Canadian politics needed to be less boring was a senator with absolutely nothing to lose and a burning desire to destroy everyone in the party he worked with the second he got his hands on a live microphone   (cbc.ca) divider line 122
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2013-10-23 09:10:05 AM
I hope this takes down Harper, but I doubt it will. Trudeau 2.0 2015!
 
2013-10-23 09:22:57 AM
For Americans visiting this thread, please note that Canadian Government's can topple over relatively minor scandals like this.
 
2013-10-23 09:29:23 AM
For a second, I thought this was about Ted Cruz.
 
2013-10-23 09:33:20 AM
Harper using strong-arm tactics behind closed doors? Say it isn't so!
 
2013-10-23 09:49:43 AM
Duffygate!!
 
2013-10-23 09:52:26 AM

RexTalionis: For a second, I thought hoped and prayed to all that is green and good that this was about Ted Cruz.


FTFY
 
2013-10-23 09:52:27 AM

RexTalionis: For a second, I thought this was about Ted Cruz.


Ditto
 
2013-10-23 09:53:51 AM
Can someone translate that article into American for me?
 
2013-10-23 09:56:43 AM
I don't care who wins this fight, I'm just hoping for serious, debilitating injuries for both sides.
media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-23 09:58:40 AM

mesmer242: Can someone translate that article into American for me?


Like the Brits in the 2010s, the Canadians are now embroiled in an expenses scandal where politicians improperly paid for things through expense accounts (meals, clothing, etc.) that they were not supposed to claim. Apparently, PM Harper is trying to force a particular senator to pay back all expenses claimed, even if they were legitimate to avoid an appearance of impropriety and now that Senator is bringing that up in public to shame the PM.

Literally, expense account scandals are the dumbest and least consequential scandals in the world. American politicians get away with far worse (fraudulent farm subsidies, insider trading, etc.).
 
2013-10-23 09:59:23 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: I hope this takes down Harper, but I doubt it will. Trudeau 2.0 2015!


Why do you hate our country so much?

/can't stand Harper
//don't want a celebrity PM either
 
2013-10-23 10:01:32 AM

Flappyhead: swaniefrmreddeer: I hope this takes down Harper, but I doubt it will. Trudeau 2.0 2015!

Why do you hate our country so much?

/can't stand Harper
//don't want a celebrity PM either


I'm not a huge fan either, but it's still better than the NDP.
 
2013-10-23 10:03:08 AM
jesus christ look at that turkey-necked motherfarker
 
2013-10-23 10:03:51 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: Flappyhead: swaniefrmreddeer: I hope this takes down Harper, but I doubt it will. Trudeau 2.0 2015!

Why do you hate our country so much?

/can't stand Harper
//don't want a celebrity PM either

I'm not a huge fan either, but it's still better than the NDP.


Rhinoceros Party, duh.
 
2013-10-23 10:04:13 AM

mesmer242: Can someone translate that article into American for me?


Pricipal . Caught sayof school that has stoped Handstandsing " See told ya so" Is He dead or not. CNN Says yes. St. Pete Times looking for chads -OR- "hello, I am write single to salute and wait for answer again"
 
2013-10-23 10:04:54 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: I hope this takes down Harper, but I doubt it will. Trudeau 2.0 2015!


Wanted to hear from Canadian Farkers about that; maybe it won't "take Harper" down, but would it weaken him enough that a challenge from either within his own party or his rivals is on the cards?
 
2013-10-23 10:09:17 AM

RexTalionis: mesmer242: Can someone translate that article into American for me?

Like the Brits in the 2010s, the Canadians are now embroiled in an expenses scandal where politicians improperly paid for things through expense accounts (meals, clothing, etc.) that they were not supposed to claim. Apparently, PM Harper is trying to force a particular senator to pay back all expenses claimed, even if they were legitimate to avoid an appearance of impropriety and now that Senator is bringing that up in public to shame the PM.

Literally, expense account scandals are the dumbest and least consequential scandals in the world. American politicians get away with far worse (fraudulent farm subsidies, insider trading, etc.).


Wait, pay back the taxpayers even if some of the expenses were proper just so that we are sure the taxpayer is not being screwed is going to weaken Harper?.... HOW?
 
2013-10-23 10:13:17 AM
Wasn't there an expense scandal in Canadia a few years ago?
 
2013-10-23 10:14:57 AM
Saiga410:

Wait, pay back the taxpayers even if some of the expenses were proper just so that we are sure the taxpayer is not being screwed is going to weaken Harper?.... HOW?

It's the legislation that's being proposed in light of the scandal which may prevent Senators(present and future) from facing criminal prosecution.
 
2013-10-23 10:16:20 AM

RexTalionis: mesmer242: Can someone translate that article into American for me?

Like the Brits in the 2010s, the Canadians are now embroiled in an expenses scandal where politicians improperly paid for things through expense accounts (meals, clothing, etc.) that they were not supposed to claim. Apparently, PM Harper is trying to force a particular senator to pay back all expenses claimed, even if they were legitimate to avoid an appearance of impropriety and now that Senator is bringing that up in public to shame the PM.

Literally, expense account scandals are the dumbest and least consequential scandals in the world. American politicians get away with far worse (fraudulent farm subsidies, insider trading, etc.).


That was a far more serious reply than I was expecting. I'm in shock.

I gathered they can just kick people out of the senate or suspend them without pay? That's an idea we should consider importing...
 
2013-10-23 10:16:37 AM

RexTalionis: mesmer242: Can someone translate that article into American for me?

Like the Brits in the 2010s, the Canadians are now embroiled in an expenses scandal where politicians improperly paid for things through expense accounts (meals, clothing, etc.) that they were not supposed to claim. Apparently, PM Harper is trying to force a particular senator to pay back all expenses claimed, even if they were legitimate to avoid an appearance of impropriety and now that Senator is bringing that up in public to shame the PM.

Literally, expense account scandals are the dumbest and least consequential scandals in the world. American politicians get away with far worse (fraudulent farm subsidies, insider trading, etc.).


There's a bit more to it than that, namely the part where the Prime Minister's Chief of Staff forked over $90,000 to cover the ineligible expenses and make the whole thing go away. The claiming of expenses is pretty weak as far as scandals go, but hush money plays anywhere.
 
2013-10-23 10:18:59 AM
FTA: An emotional Brazeau spoke after Duffy, saying the Senate "was where due process comes to die."

You guys need to stop taking lessons from our circus (only here, it's the house)
 
2013-10-23 10:19:42 AM

Albino Squid: RexTalionis: mesmer242: Can someone translate that article into American for me?

Like the Brits in the 2010s, the Canadians are now embroiled in an expenses scandal where politicians improperly paid for things through expense accounts (meals, clothing, etc.) that they were not supposed to claim. Apparently, PM Harper is trying to force a particular senator to pay back all expenses claimed, even if they were legitimate to avoid an appearance of impropriety and now that Senator is bringing that up in public to shame the PM.

Literally, expense account scandals are the dumbest and least consequential scandals in the world. American politicians get away with far worse (fraudulent farm subsidies, insider trading, etc.).

There's a bit more to it than that, namely the part where the Prime Minister's Chief of Staff forked over $90,000 to cover the ineligible expenses and make the whole thing go away. The claiming of expenses is pretty weak as far as scandals go, but hush money plays anywhere.


Well, fair enough. I don't follow Canadian politics as much as I follow British politics (or at least, I used to).
 
2013-10-23 10:19:43 AM

Saiga410: Wait, pay back the taxpayers even if some of the expenses were proper just so that we are sure the taxpayer is not being screwed is going to weaken Harper?.... HOW?


Not because of the expenses, but because an assistant to the PM gave the senator a check for $90k to pay back the expenses, which the PM claimed to know nothing about. The senator is now saying that the PM knew about it all along, and that he didn't care whether the expenses were legitimate or not, just how it looked.

Essentially, it's not the expenses itself, it's the cover-up (isn't it always?) that is making the PM look like he's been lying to the public about the whole thing.

I doubt this will take him down... or even get either of the opposition parties into power in the next election. It may very well leave the Conservatives with a minority government again though.
 
2013-10-23 10:20:13 AM
www.breitbartunmasked.com

What is it with loopy Canadian politicians?
 
2013-10-23 10:21:55 AM

lilbjorn: [www.breitbartunmasked.com image 368x512]

What is it with loopy Canadian politicians?


I can't wait for him to renounce his citizenship.
 
2013-10-23 10:22:12 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: Flappyhead: swaniefrmreddeer: I hope this takes down Harper, but I doubt it will. Trudeau 2.0 2015!

Why do you hate our country so much?

/can't stand Harper
//don't want a celebrity PM either

I'm not a huge fan either, but it's still better than the NDP.


You don't have to worry: Gary Trudeau isn't even Canadian!
 
2013-10-23 10:25:33 AM
Certainly if we're only talking 90K that's not much money for a decent scandal, even in moose-dollars or seal blubber or whatever you loonies use up there.
 
2013-10-23 10:25:50 AM
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2013-10-23 10:27:54 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: I hope this takes down Harper, but I doubt it will. Trudeau 2.0 2015!


This is why Harper wants the senate to be elected or abolished. Unelected senators are able to tell the truth without losing their jobs. Even (potentially) corrupt senators can tell the truth, thereby putting  limits on the government. "Appealing to the base" for re-election cannot be the ultimate test of a government's attempts to break the law, and in Canada the unelected senate's ability to tell the truth, and act on it without pandering to lobbyists, is what limits our legislators (the Supreme Court is too slow for practical purposes).
 
2013-10-23 10:31:17 AM
We've got one of your fellas down here, and we'd love to send him back. How about Ted Cruz for PM?!

Hans, bubby. I'm your white knight.... I can gim'em to ya!
 
2013-10-23 10:33:02 AM
RexTalionis:
Well, fair enough. I don't follow Canadian politics as much as I follow British politics (or at least, I used to).

You'd have been right prior to today. It was all a bit silly -- the Senate itself is a lot silly -- even with Wright having paid the $90k, but it didn't seem to have that much potential to damage...the claim that the money just owed to Wright helping out a friend really didn't convince many, but like so many quasi-scandals it likely would have been no more than a low-boil murmur of impropriety, because it's a bit inside baseball-y.

Duffy coming out and saying that the PMO bought him off is what has really kicked this into gear. Now we have the possibility of a criminal inquiry, and even if that doesn't lead all the way to Harper, it could convince the Conservatives that they'll need someone who hasn't been implicated in an extortion scandal to beat Trudeau in 2015.
 
2013-10-23 10:47:20 AM
Unelected Senators? Who picks them, then?
 
2013-10-23 10:47:56 AM
I'm hoping this gets big and ugly.  No matter which one of them loses, the country wins.
 
2013-10-23 10:49:08 AM
The Canadian Senate is a pathetic joke. Nothing more than cozy appointments for long-time party supporters on both sides.

I love how conservatives railed for a Triple E Senate (Equal, Elected, Effective) for years and now that Harper is there, he's done f*ck all about it.
 
2013-10-23 10:49:13 AM

Rwa2play: swaniefrmreddeer: I hope this takes down Harper, but I doubt it will. Trudeau 2.0 2015!

Wanted to hear from Canadian Farkers about that; maybe it won't "take Harper" down, but would it weaken him enough that a challenge from either within his own party or his rivals is on the cards?


Harper actually has no publicly recognized rival. He is a master manipulator of his caucus and reshuffles his cabinet like a casino dealer. He could use his ability to create power for good, and sometimes he does. But the thing is it doesn't last for very long because he doesn't let anyone consolidate their own networks before he changes their focus or their job. And in the media, he leads the Harper government, not the Conservatives. That was his idea! How could a rival to Harper appear in the Harper government?
 
2013-10-23 10:50:52 AM

simplicimus: Unelected Senators? Who picks them, then?


The Prime Minister.

Senators serve for life, too. Or as long as they wish to hold the seat.

Senate appointments are the softest job in federal politics, it's pathetic. The last time the Canadian Senate blocked a bill was probably 50 years ago, at least.

Fortunately, everyone knows this, which is why heated debates in the House of Commons happen a lot. That's really the only place to stop legislation.
 
2013-10-23 10:53:03 AM

RexTalionis: For a second, I thought this was about Ted Cruz.


Before clicking the link, I half expected it to be about Patrick Brazeau.

simplicimus: Unelected Senators? Who picks them, then?


The Prime Minister. Discussion of whether to abolish the Senate or turn it into an elected body has been going on for as long as I can remember.  In the last election cycle, Albert put Senate candidates on the ballot, but Harper was under no obligation to appoint the "winner".
 
2013-10-23 10:57:04 AM

mesmer242: Can someone translate that article into American for me?


Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper thinks Canadians are stupid, and that, of course, it's the liberal media's fault.

FTA: "it's about the perception of what you did that's been created in the media. The rules are inexplicable to our base"
 
2013-10-23 10:58:25 AM

apoptotic: In the last election cycle, Albert put Senate candidates on the ballot, but Harper was under no obligation to appoint the "winner".


Oh yes, I remember that.

What a load of bullsh*t.
 
2013-10-23 10:59:23 AM
i.huffpost.comTed Cruz isn't even the most annoying Canadian-born politician.

Ladies and gentlemen, Pierre Poilievre.
 
2013-10-23 11:03:00 AM
Didn't realize the pic was mural-sized, sorry.

/shudder
 
2013-10-23 11:16:40 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: I hope this takes down Harper, but I doubt it will. Trudeau 2.0 2015!


Blargh. Does ANYONE think that's actually a good idea? His dad ensured no Western Canadian will ever vote for someone with that name.
 
2013-10-23 11:25:32 AM
Tom Delay, Alcee Hastings, Charlie Rangel, and Jesse Jackson Jr. are all laughing hysterically at this kerfuffle.
 
2013-10-23 11:26:40 AM

jakomo002: [i.huffpost.com image 850x1062]Ted Cruz isn't even the most annoying Canadian-born politician.

Ladies and gentlemen, Pierre Poilievre.


FFS warn people before you show that smarmy prick. Just for that:
markarayner.com
 
2013-10-23 11:27:39 AM

Hebalo: swaniefrmreddeer: I hope this takes down Harper, but I doubt it will. Trudeau 2.0 2015!

Blargh. Does ANYONE think that's actually a good idea? His dad ensured no Western Canadian will ever vote for someone with that name.


My dad hated Trudeau. I remember when I was a kid, there was a dartboard of his face out in the shop. But even he's rapidly reaching the point that he hates Harper more. I don't think he'd go so far as to vote for Justin, but I could see him being willing to either stay home or cast a random protest vote just to help ensure Harper doesn't get another majority. .

At this point I don't think anyone really believes the Liberals will win a majority, so really it's all about limiting the amount of damage the Conservatives can do going forward.
 
2013-10-23 11:29:19 AM

apoptotic: Hebalo: swaniefrmreddeer: I hope this takes down Harper, but I doubt it will. Trudeau 2.0 2015!

Blargh. Does ANYONE think that's actually a good idea? His dad ensured no Western Canadian will ever vote for someone with that name.

My dad hated Trudeau. I remember when I was a kid, there was a dartboard of his face out in the shop. But even he's rapidly reaching the point that he hates Harper more. I don't think he'd go so far as to vote for Justin, but I could see him being willing to either stay home or cast a random protest vote just to help ensure Harper doesn't get another majority. .

At this point I don't think anyone really believes the Liberals will win a majority, so really it's all about limiting the amount of damage the Conservatives can do going forward.


All it takes is a leadership review, new man on the spot for the Conservatives, it all goes away.
 
2013-10-23 11:30:33 AM
I suspect the biggest threat to the conservatives is simply that we've been sold a Harper government, not a conservative one.  People forget that all of Harper's electoral success (in terms of being PM) comes from swing voters in Ontario.  The western vote is solid, but only enough to make him leader of the opposition.  It sure appears he's forgotten that, and is playing to the base.  He sure isn't going to pick up any seats in Quebec, and  Ontario voters aren't western social conservative, and they certainly aren't part of Stevie's base of support.

I guess we need to get ready for Trudeau-too.  Hopefully he's as much of a player as his dad was.  Made Clinton look like a piker (could have given Sarkozy a run).  Should be entertaining.

Cheers.
 
2013-10-23 11:30:47 AM

RexTalionis: mesmer242: Can someone translate that article into American for me?

Like the Brits in the 2010s, the Canadians are now embroiled in an expenses scandal where politicians improperly paid for things through expense accounts (meals, clothing, etc.) that they were not supposed to claim. Apparently, PM Harper is trying to force a particular senator to pay back all expenses claimed, even if they were legitimate to avoid an appearance of impropriety and now that Senator is bringing that up in public to shame the PM.

Literally, expense account scandals are the dumbest and least consequential scandals in the world. American politicians get away with far worse (fraudulent farm subsidies, insider trading, etc.).


The more important ones, such as sending a selfie of mini-me are far more relevant.
 
2013-10-23 11:36:18 AM

Hebalo: swaniefrmreddeer: I hope this takes down Harper, but I doubt it will. Trudeau 2.0 2015!

Blargh. Does ANYONE think that's actually a good idea? His dad ensured no Western Canadian will ever vote for someone with that name.


Hell, I'm a Liberal in Red Neck, Alberta, I know the pain he caused the west, but there really isn't any other alternative. The NDP would be disastrous for business, and Harper has been disastrous for Canada. I'm far more anti-Harper than I am pro-Trudeau.
 
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