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(SeattlePI)   You can snicker all you want about medical marijuana, but you won't be laughing when you catch cancer and need some weed to cure it   (blog.seattlepi.com) divider line 46
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2013-10-23 09:36:03 AM  
6 votes:

rooftop235: My friend is dying from cancer. Weed isn't helping other than it gets him to eat and eases the pain of chemo a little.


So it isn't helping other than the ways it is helping.
2013-10-23 09:19:43 AM  
4 votes:
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2013-10-23 10:46:55 AM  
3 votes:

boredomatwork: Keep it illegal.  Makes it easier to get and cheaper.


I'm with you in spirit but the fact is there's weed, and there's weed. Then there's weed, weed, weed, weed, and weed. I like being able to shop by strain. The bag of the month plan from 'your guy' just doesn't cut it for me anymore. Some of them have virtually zero thc - less than 1%. Some of them have over 20%. Some of them make put me to sleep and others make sleep nigh impossible. Some of them stick and some smell better than roses. Fact is weed is damn near diverse as spirits. We'll look back on this time as the dark ages. Not unlike sending someone to the liquor store every week and just taking what they give you be it wine coolers, schlitz, or a bottle of everclear.
2013-10-23 12:11:11 PM  
2 votes:
Marijuana has shown to have a  great effect for severe Tourette's  syndrome, seizures, chronic pain and  cannabinoids are normally in your body anyway. What we probably created in this country is a vitamin deficiency through forced deprivation.

But, in the states were it's still a felony, it's lowering unemployment by keeping the privatized prisons filled. We got that going for us.
2013-10-23 11:06:31 AM  
2 votes:
For anyone actually interested in a scientific review/opinion article on the research into cancer-related clinical uses of cannabis, here is a 2012 article from a prominent researcher in the field: http://www.bbm1.ucm.es/cannabis/archivos/publicaciones/_vti_cnf/Velas c o%20NRC%202012%20advance%20online.pdf
2013-10-23 10:27:57 AM  
2 votes:

Ker_Thwap: duffblue: Ker_Thwap: I still think smoking weed is a bad idea.  Did it myself as a youth, watched all too many friends lose ambition, turn to crime, and otherwise ruin/end their lives because of it.  Of course I can say much the same about booze.  Not everyone has the support system/personal strength to handle it responsibly.

It was that demon weed that turned them into lazy shiatty people.

Eh, I think I covered that with my not everyone has the support system proviso.  These weren't necessarily college bound kids to start with.  From my own experience, I can certainly say that smoking made me lazy and not care.

Anyway, I'm off to go be productive, carry on without me.


Maybe, this isn't such a bad thing after all. Maybe, the world needs less assholes that measure their life in increments of "productivity."
2013-10-23 09:40:18 AM  
2 votes:

unchellmatt: FTA:  So, smoke it up to cure cancer?
"That's one thing I've been trying to fight against for quite a few years now," Liu said.
The bottom line here, he says, is that when all of the chemicals are burned or eaten at once - the usual way cannabis is used medicinally and recreationally - the positive, cancer-fighting effects could be lost in the mix.

That's the part many people seem to ignore. Smoking weed does not and WILL not "cure" cancer, nor will mixing it into brownies, making an extract and putting it into your vape, or any other foolish claims.


Nice, selective post.

Also FTFA:

"I'm not saying that cannabis itself, as the whole plant, won't work. We just don't know."
2013-10-23 09:36:13 AM  
2 votes:
Using cannabis makes more sense then using drugs that's side effects are worse than the actual ailment the drug was prescribed for, in my opinion.
2013-10-23 09:28:43 AM  
2 votes:

FlippityFlap: I am all for the legalization of pot. However, it does not cure cancer, nor much of anything else besides stress.


Cures lack of desire to eat. Least for me.
2013-10-23 09:12:59 AM  
2 votes:
Legalize it, you farktards.
2013-10-23 11:59:56 PM  
1 votes:

rooftop235: My friend is dying from cancer. Weed isn't helping other than it gets him to eat and eases the pain of chemo a little.


Sounds like "helping" to me.  Restoring his appetite will improve his overall health, and even mainstream medicine in the most straightlaced states recognizes the validity of using drugs to manage long-term, chronic pain--just not that particular drug.
2013-10-23 10:14:46 PM  
1 votes:
2013-10-23 09:30:12 PM  
1 votes:

hsburns30: Did I miss something?  Subby says weed cures cancer.  I've never heard this before now.


Highly purified and targeted cannabinoids can kill tumor cells in vitro. Smoking weed doesn't cure cancer, it treats the side effects commonly associated with solid tumors and chemotherapy.
2013-10-23 07:12:27 PM  
1 votes:

quietwalker: Someone else already said it, but I'll say it again; As long as you're not directly affecting anyone else (or have consent), why should there be any limits to what you're allowed to do?  Pot, liquor, gay sex, worship gods of your choice, hell, in the US, even dancing and singing in private homes has been restricted for no valid purpose at various times in our country's history.

Frankly, I say legalize it all.  Not just pot, everything.  Meth, steroids, cocaine, shrooms, whatever.  If consumers can't balance their addictions with their family or work, why should that be of any concern to a government or society?  These folks will either manage it, or not, and the ones that don't will remove themselves from society fairly quickly.  For what appears to be the majority - everyone else - it'll be exactly the same as now, except you don't have to hide it.  It'll be pretty much business as usual.

Now, that's not to say I'm against drug testing.  I think that's the employers/schools/professional sports team or organization/etc's right too. If the terms of the contract stipulate no drugs, and you make the choice to renege, then you should lose your job or not be hired in the first place.  Besides, if you can't stop doing drugs for the 30 days or so it takes to get completely clean (on the outside), it's clear your priorities make you more well suited to a job in the ... shall we say, food service industries.


I was with you on full legalization, but we part ways when it comes to testing. For one, as you point out, it takes 30 days for weed, but just a day or two for meth. But primarily, I just don't think my off-shift behavior is any of my employers' business. If I'm not doing good work, I don't see why the reason matters. If I'm too high to function, yes, I should be fired.

This is also why I won't buy Scott's lawn products. I think adults should be free to consume tobacco even though it is bad for them. Scott's disagrees.
2013-10-23 06:07:39 PM  
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: clovercat: Marijuana has shown to have a  great effect for severe Tourette's  syndrome, seizures, chronic pain and  cannabinoids are normally in your body anyway. What we probably created in this country is a vitamin deficiency through forced deprivation.

But, in the states were it's still a felony, it's lowering unemployment by keeping the privatized prisons filled. We got that going for us.

it's a felony in all states.... thanks DEA.


Blame Congress and Nixon.
Clever back handed crap sold this issue, opposite of what the Federal Funded study that was supposed to decide it at the time recommended.

Definitely Nixon and Congress.
2013-10-23 05:41:36 PM  
1 votes:

metal_gear: vudukungfu: Legalize it for the patients that NEED it, you farktards.



I agree.  Balancing the symptoms it treats with the side effects, you'd have an over the counter medication with a warning not to drive or use heavy machinery after taking it.  I'm OK with that.
2013-10-23 05:18:04 PM  
1 votes:

ReverendJynxed: neongoats: snocone: KellyX: Fastfood should throw its weight behind legalization... and lobbying dollars.

Ya know, a good appetite might just get you to eat healthy food?
Who knows?

No shiat. Been on a steady downward weight trend in the ~5 years since I started using the mj. 2 pants sizes last year.

Probably has a lot to do with how weed heads metabolize sugars/carbohydrates differently/better. For such an evil drug it's pretty nice to us.


Has been nice to humans for recorded history.
Until Hearst, Anslinger and Nixon.
2013-10-23 05:04:44 PM  
1 votes:

neongoats: snocone: KellyX: Fastfood should throw its weight behind legalization... and lobbying dollars.

Ya know, a good appetite might just get you to eat healthy food?
Who knows?

No shiat. Been on a steady downward weight trend in the ~5 years since I started using the mj. 2 pants sizes last year.


Probably has a lot to do with how weed heads metabolize sugars/carbohydrates differently/better. For such an evil drug it's pretty nice to us.
2013-10-23 04:45:53 PM  
1 votes:

rooftop235: My friend is dying from cancer. Weed isn't helping other than it gets him to eat and eases the pain of chemo a little.


1 gram of cannabis oil per day. Yes it will knock you out for the first 2-3 weeks but it does work where chemo fails.
2013-10-23 04:44:06 PM  
1 votes:

Ker_Thwap: Ugh, this sounds like another one of those studies where something is put in a petri dish/solution outside of the human body and found to kill cancer cells.  Yes, so add some cannabus compounds to the many thousands of of other compounds that work on killing cells outside the human body.  Science people!


No, I have a friend that was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer that has spread to bowels, liver, pancreas, spine and ribs. He was given a couple of months to live. He has been eating 1 gram of cannabis oil per day for 5 weeks now. Last scan shows no cancer in bones and 50% reduction of all other tumors. So yeah, this stuff works.
2013-10-23 03:15:43 PM  
1 votes:

flondrix: A Terrible Human: The only thing that helps and doesn't land him in the ER is pot. It also helps prevent him from having myoclonic seizures,his meds don't stop those at all. Hell he can't even take something like neurontin cause they make him have really bad myoclonic seizures. Now if only the state of Ky would pull it's head out of it's ass and pass a bill for medical marijuana,pfft like that'll ever happen.

With symptoms as severe as the ones you listed, perhaps it would be worthwhile for both of you to move to a state that has legalized medical marijuana.  You would not be the first couple who had to pull up roots for medical reasons.


That would be awesome but it's not doable. There's no money to move even from this farking dump of an apartment,all of his family is in this state with most of them living in this town. His primary care doc,which is a neurologist,doesn't give a fark if he smokes pot though and he doesn't get any meds which require a monthly piss test to keep which is great.
2013-10-23 02:15:19 PM  
1 votes:

snocone: KellyX: Fastfood should throw its weight behind legalization... and lobbying dollars.

Ya know, a good appetite might just get you to eat healthy food?
Who knows?


No shiat. Been on a steady downward weight trend in the ~5 years since I started using the mj. 2 pants sizes last year.
2013-10-23 02:01:20 PM  
1 votes:

unchellmatt: FTA:  So, smoke it up to cure cancer?
"That's one thing I've been trying to fight against for quite a few years now," Liu said.
The bottom line here, he says, is that when all of the chemicals are burned or eaten at once - the usual way cannabis is used medicinally and recreationally - the positive, cancer-fighting effects could be lost in the mix.

That's the part many people seem to ignore. Smoking weed does not and WILL not "cure" cancer, nor will mixing it into brownies, making an extract and putting it into your vape, or any other foolish claims.

vudukungfu: Legalize it, you farktards.

Totally agree. There's zero valid reason to keep weed illegal. None. Not a shred of fact.


So what?
First you have to get your elected "officials" off of the money train.
Then you face telling(much less convincing) the population that they have been most seriously and completely, with extreme prejudice, lied to for their entire lifetimes.

Walk in the park.
2013-10-23 01:17:41 PM  
1 votes:
Fastfood should throw its weight behind legalization... and lobbying dollars.
2013-10-23 12:53:13 PM  
1 votes:

s2s2s2: But legalizing it reduces paranoia, making it less likely people will check themselves for cancer.


Pot induces paranoia in some people.
2013-10-23 12:51:34 PM  
1 votes:

flondrix: Ker_Thwap: Eh, I think I covered that with my not everyone has the support system proviso. These weren't necessarily college bound kids to start with. From my own experience, I can certainly say that smoking made me lazy and not care.

I have heard advocates of medical marijuana affirm that pot makes you lazy and stupid (though they used more positive synonyms than that).


I should have prefaced that with the disclaimer that of course some patients would be even less functional without it, which is supposed to be the whole point of medical marijuana.
2013-10-23 12:47:16 PM  
1 votes:

A Terrible Human: The only thing that helps and doesn't land him in the ER is pot. It also helps prevent him from having myoclonic seizures,his meds don't stop those at all. Hell he can't even take something like neurontin cause they make him have really bad myoclonic seizures. Now if only the state of Ky would pull it's head out of it's ass and pass a bill for medical marijuana,pfft like that'll ever happen.


With symptoms as severe as the ones you listed, perhaps it would be worthwhile for both of you to move to a state that has legalized medical marijuana.  You would not be the first couple who had to pull up roots for medical reasons.
2013-10-23 12:42:50 PM  
1 votes:

Ker_Thwap: Eh, I think I covered that with my not everyone has the support system proviso. These weren't necessarily college bound kids to start with. From my own experience, I can certainly say that smoking made me lazy and not care.


I have heard advocates of medical marijuana affirm that pot makes you lazy and stupid (though they used more positive synonyms than that).
2013-10-23 12:33:59 PM  
1 votes:

clovercat: Marijuana has shown to have a  great effect for severe Tourette's  syndrome, seizures, chronic pain and  cannabinoids are normally in your body anyway. What we probably created in this country is a vitamin deficiency through forced deprivation.

But, in the states were it's still a felony, it's lowering unemployment by keeping the privatized prisons filled. We got that going for us.


My fiance is an epileptic. They've gave him tramadol once which he took for a week but then went into a seizure that lasted for 45 minutes and damn near killed him. He took a 5mg hydrocodone once for his back,puked all night,went to his doctors appointment the next morning. I get a call from them telling me he had to be taken to the hospital by an ambulance for a seizure. He goes into status epilepticus at the hospital,they have to give him a loading dose of dilantin and 4 huge shots of ativan. He cannot take pain pills so he is in constant pain from cervical spinal stenosis,degenerative disk disease AND then the icing on the shiatcake is that his eyes hurt too from glaucoma. The only thing that helps and doesn't land him in the ER is pot. It also helps prevent him from having myoclonic seizures,his meds don't stop those at all. Hell he can't even take something like neurontin cause they make him have really bad myoclonic seizures. Now if only the state of Ky would pull it's head out of it's ass and pass a bill for medical marijuana,pfft like that'll ever happen.
2013-10-23 12:21:06 PM  
1 votes:
Another big step towards retail here last night, town voted to allow two retail stores, and now all we have to do is win the stupid referendum vote on Nov. 5th.  Looking good so far.

I'm not sure when I last looked forward to January 1 with such eagerness - I'm planning to be among the first that day.

Variety, the spice of life.
2013-10-23 11:21:01 AM  
1 votes:

Ker_Thwap: Headso: Ker_Thwap: turn to crime

was the "crime" they turned to smoking/buying weed?

If only.  Was more along the lines of being unable to function at their low paying jobs, getting fired, and turning to burglary to pay for their next bag.  Mind you this was in the days of $20 bags.



Sucking dick and burglarizing poor old ladies for their next hit of sweet Mary Jane. Sounds legit.

Perhaps you're misattributing their failures as being caused by weed, rather than weed abuse being one of several symptoms of them having already been failures in life.
2013-10-23 11:13:26 AM  
1 votes:
Smoking -anything- is a bad idea.

Skin patch medication ftw - no need to involve respiration or digestive systems
2013-10-23 11:04:21 AM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Aidan: Considering your login and your usual personality on this site, I assume you've been through some seriously crazy shiat. Threadjack: but you cool? Destressing? Or still totally stressed out?

I lost three of my friends and coworkers yesterday.

/end threadjack.


I'd like to offer my condolences. It's tragic when people die, but it's doubly so when good people die flying medical transports for a children's hospital.
2013-10-23 10:23:10 AM  
1 votes:

Ker_Thwap: Ugh, this sounds like another one of those studies where something is put in a petri dish/solution outside of the human body and found to kill cancer cells.  Yes, so add some cannabus compounds to the many thousands of of other compounds that work on killing cells outside the human body.  Science people!



Sort of like how that loser Alexander Flemming who noticed that Penicillium rubens released a substance with antibiotic properties.

Of course, as we all know, his test was in a dish/solution outside of the human body and that is why penicillin never really worked out.

Real science!
2013-10-23 10:19:08 AM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Aidan: Considering your login and your usual personality on this site, I assume you've been through some seriously crazy shiat. Threadjack: but you cool? Destressing? Or still totally stressed out?

I lost three of my friends and coworkers yesterday.

/end threadjack.


Very sorry to hear that.
2013-10-23 10:10:23 AM  
1 votes:

vudukungfu: Legalize it, you farktards.


We did, along with CO.
2013-10-23 10:10:18 AM  
1 votes:
I still think smoking weed is a bad idea.  Did it myself as a youth, watched all too many friends lose ambition, turn to crime, and otherwise ruin/end their lives because of it.  Of course I can say much the same about booze.  Not everyone has the support system/personal strength to handle it responsibly.
2013-10-23 09:43:16 AM  
1 votes:
i.cdn.turner.com
2013-10-23 09:34:07 AM  
1 votes:
My friend is dying from cancer. Weed isn't helping other than it gets him to eat and eases the pain of chemo a little.
2013-10-23 09:32:16 AM  
1 votes:
Given what has happened to me in the last 48 hours, I could use some legal weed.
2013-10-23 09:28:20 AM  
1 votes:
Legalize it.

However, this kind of stuff is unmitigated bullshiat.
2013-10-23 09:22:51 AM  
1 votes:
Ugh, this sounds like another one of those studies where something is put in a petri dish/solution outside of the human body and found to kill cancer cells.  Yes, so add some cannabus compounds to the many thousands of of other compounds that work on killing cells outside the human body.  Science people!
2013-10-23 09:20:24 AM  
1 votes:
In my day, we didn't have medical marijuanie, gay marriage or women sporting Brazilians. Just an onion on a $300 Ferragamo belt from Barneys, with $10 off for the blood stains from the beatdown of the previous owner.


www.pudreteflanders.com
2013-10-23 09:20:06 AM  
1 votes:

cherryl taggart: I don't normally wish pain and suffering on people, but I'm very willing to make an exception for all the idiots who have maintained for years that weed is the worst thing in this entire world and has absolutely no redeeming values.  Yes, DEA and Congress, I'm looking at you.


and any other puritanical farkwad

/let people do what they want to do, so long as it doesn't hurt, steal, and/or damage another person's property
//note how I didn't add "offend anyone"
///I'm easily offended by those who are easily offended
2013-10-23 09:19:51 AM  
1 votes:
FTA:  So, smoke it up to cure cancer?
"That's one thing I've been trying to fight against for quite a few years now," Liu said.
The bottom line here, he says, is that when all of the chemicals are burned or eaten at once - the usual way cannabis is used medicinally and recreationally - the positive, cancer-fighting effects could be lost in the mix.


That's the part many people seem to ignore. Smoking weed does not and WILL not "cure" cancer, nor will mixing it into brownies, making an extract and putting it into your vape, or any other foolish claims.

vudukungfu: Legalize it, you farktards.


Totally agree. There's zero valid reason to keep weed illegal. None. Not a shred of fact.
2013-10-23 09:17:22 AM  
1 votes:
I don't normally wish pain and suffering on people, but I'm very willing to make an exception for all the idiots who have maintained for years that weed is the worst thing in this entire world and has absolutely no redeeming values.  Yes, DEA and Congress, I'm looking at you.
 
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