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2013-10-23 05:58:37 PM

Ker_Thwap: duffblue: Ker_Thwap: I still think smoking weed is a bad idea.  Did it myself as a youth, watched all too many friends lose ambition, turn to crime, and otherwise ruin/end their lives because of it.  Of course I can say much the same about booze.  Not everyone has the support system/personal strength to handle it responsibly.

It was that demon weed that turned them into lazy shiatty people.

Eh, I think I covered that with my not everyone has the support system proviso.  These weren't necessarily college bound kids to start with.  From my own experience, I can certainly say that smoking made me lazy and not care.

Anyway, I'm off to go be productive, carry on without me.


weed allowed me to understand Dark Side of the Moon.
Thank God for weed.
 
2013-10-23 06:03:46 PM

clovercat: Marijuana has shown to have a  great effect for severe Tourette's  syndrome, seizures, chronic pain and  cannabinoids are normally in your body anyway. What we probably created in this country is a vitamin deficiency through forced deprivation.

But, in the states were it's still a felony, it's lowering unemployment by keeping the privatized prisons filled. We got that going for us.


it's a felony in all states.... thanks DEA.
 
2013-10-23 06:07:39 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: clovercat: Marijuana has shown to have a  great effect for severe Tourette's  syndrome, seizures, chronic pain and  cannabinoids are normally in your body anyway. What we probably created in this country is a vitamin deficiency through forced deprivation.

But, in the states were it's still a felony, it's lowering unemployment by keeping the privatized prisons filled. We got that going for us.

it's a felony in all states.... thanks DEA.


Blame Congress and Nixon.
Clever back handed crap sold this issue, opposite of what the Federal Funded study that was supposed to decide it at the time recommended.

Definitely Nixon and Congress.
 
2013-10-23 06:11:13 PM

snocone: HindiDiscoMonster: clovercat: Marijuana has shown to have a  great effect for severe Tourette's  syndrome, seizures, chronic pain and  cannabinoids are normally in your body anyway. What we probably created in this country is a vitamin deficiency through forced deprivation.

But, in the states were it's still a felony, it's lowering unemployment by keeping the privatized prisons filled. We got that going for us.

it's a felony in all states.... thanks DEA.

Blame Congress and Nixon.
Clever back handed crap sold this issue, opposite of what the Federal Funded study that was supposed to decide it at the time recommended.

Definitely Nixon and Congress.


oh I know, but since the damage is done, the only way to stop the monster that is the DEA is to kill it. Congress will never do it, it would take an executive order to do it at this point. There is too much vested money interests in keeping it illegal.
 
2013-10-23 06:54:26 PM
Did I miss something?  Subby says weed cures cancer.  I've never heard this before now.
 
2013-10-23 07:12:27 PM

quietwalker: Someone else already said it, but I'll say it again; As long as you're not directly affecting anyone else (or have consent), why should there be any limits to what you're allowed to do?  Pot, liquor, gay sex, worship gods of your choice, hell, in the US, even dancing and singing in private homes has been restricted for no valid purpose at various times in our country's history.

Frankly, I say legalize it all.  Not just pot, everything.  Meth, steroids, cocaine, shrooms, whatever.  If consumers can't balance their addictions with their family or work, why should that be of any concern to a government or society?  These folks will either manage it, or not, and the ones that don't will remove themselves from society fairly quickly.  For what appears to be the majority - everyone else - it'll be exactly the same as now, except you don't have to hide it.  It'll be pretty much business as usual.

Now, that's not to say I'm against drug testing.  I think that's the employers/schools/professional sports team or organization/etc's right too. If the terms of the contract stipulate no drugs, and you make the choice to renege, then you should lose your job or not be hired in the first place.  Besides, if you can't stop doing drugs for the 30 days or so it takes to get completely clean (on the outside), it's clear your priorities make you more well suited to a job in the ... shall we say, food service industries.


I was with you on full legalization, but we part ways when it comes to testing. For one, as you point out, it takes 30 days for weed, but just a day or two for meth. But primarily, I just don't think my off-shift behavior is any of my employers' business. If I'm not doing good work, I don't see why the reason matters. If I'm too high to function, yes, I should be fired.

This is also why I won't buy Scott's lawn products. I think adults should be free to consume tobacco even though it is bad for them. Scott's disagrees.
 
2013-10-23 09:30:12 PM

hsburns30: Did I miss something?  Subby says weed cures cancer.  I've never heard this before now.


Highly purified and targeted cannabinoids can kill tumor cells in vitro. Smoking weed doesn't cure cancer, it treats the side effects commonly associated with solid tumors and chemotherapy.
 
2013-10-23 10:14:46 PM
 
2013-10-23 11:38:17 PM

DominaNY: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 495x720]

http://www.pinterest.com/beefree11/cannabis-marijuana-hash-oil-heali ng -cancer-tumors/


[CItation Needed - Recommended by WHO?]

[Citation Needed - Evidence of Cure?]

/research in cannabnoid compounds is not banned contrary to popular belief, and has been going on for decades.
//Cite a research study that anything other than highly purified and concentrated cannabinoids are being used and they are being used in vivo, not in vitro, that demonstrates effectiveness.
///Demanding evidence for a curative claim is not anti-marijuana. It's anti-fraud.

In otherwords, the cannabis cure for cancer is likely to look like this:

images.wisegeek.com
Not like this:

forum.sensiseeds.com
 
2013-10-23 11:59:56 PM

rooftop235: My friend is dying from cancer. Weed isn't helping other than it gets him to eat and eases the pain of chemo a little.


Sounds like "helping" to me.  Restoring his appetite will improve his overall health, and even mainstream medicine in the most straightlaced states recognizes the validity of using drugs to manage long-term, chronic pain--just not that particular drug.
 
2013-10-24 01:02:24 AM

DominaNY: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 495x720]

http://www.pinterest.com/beefree11/cannabis-marijuana-hash-oil-heali ng -cancer-tumors/


While I am 100% for legal medical MJ, I am also 100% against the vague, unsubstantiated claim of your graphic.

1. it claims a 60 gram supply and that each tube is 10 gram yet there are 7 tubes. Very obvious math FAIL
2. sativa or indica? or strain name?
3. what strength (percentage) is/are the CBDs and THC?
4. oil is a liquid and thus NOT measured in grams. ML, CC, and OZ but not G.
5. what is the oil strength (G of material per ML of oil)?
6a. get a better infographic. that doesn't even look to be up to USA Today's very low standards.
6b. I think even 4chan has higher graphic standards. <trollface.jpg>
6c. linking to the page you got the graphic from as some sort of explanation is on par with pointing at a library and saying, "the answer might be in there somewhere, maybe."
6d. I'm continuing with the letters because i don't want to do an item number 7
 
2013-10-24 02:18:25 AM

FlippityFlap: However, it does not cure cancer, nor much of anything else besides stress.


Stress and cancer have a pretty strong correlation with each other. The reason for this is because your immune system fights off most cancers from the day you're born, and stressed people have weakened immune systems. There are only so many cancer-fighting white cells to go around, and they can only be produced at a certain rate (quite likely to avoid the likelihood of their stem cells becoming cancerous themselves). So, the longer and more regularly someone's stressed (especially over trivial crap--things that weed also puts in perspective), the greater the chances that a cancerous cell will have the opportunity to multiply enough times without intervention in order to achieve a sort of "critical mass" as a tumor (i.e., start pulling its own blood supply and become a powerhouse of metastatic activity).

As such, yes, by even your own logic, cannabis does cure cancer--people just need to realize that some of the most effective cures can happen while someone's asymptomatic. Rabies, for example, is 100% fatal to humans when it isn't cured; however, it takes about a month or so for it to crawl up to your brain, so by vaccinating after exposure, you have plenty of time to cure it before it reaches critical mass (at which point, much like cancer's critical mass, the chances of survival drop dramatically).

Cannabis is sort of like a shot you can self-administer when the rabid dog of life unexpectedly bites you in the ass.
 
2013-10-24 02:27:12 AM

koder: The reason for this is because your immune system fights off most cancers from the day you're born, and stressed people have weakened immune systems. There are only so many cancer-fighting white cells to go around, and they can only be produced at a certain rate (quite likely to avoid the likelihood of their stem cells becoming cancerous themselves). So, the longer and more regularly someone's stressed (especially over trivial crap--things that weed also puts in perspective), the greater the chances that a cancerous cell will have the opportunity to multiply enough times without intervention in order to achieve a sort of "critical mass" as a tumor (i.e., start pulling its own blood supply and become a powerhouse of metastatic activity).


That's not how cancers work, though. And that's why immunotherapy has been geared, since day one, at figuring out how to get a cancer cell to flag it's self as non-self, so that the immune system CAN attack it.

Your immune system doesn't "fight off" cancers from the day you're born. Your cells have suicide machinery in place to, in layman's terms, flag them as defective for the immune system to destroy, have telomeres which determine how long the cell will continue to metabolize and divide, and release compounds when injured or irritated which induce apoptosis.

A solid tumor cell is a cell which has managed to turn off all of the above mechanisms, and has effectively become immortal. It still, however, identifies as a "self" cell, meaning the immune system will not recognize it as haywire and destroy it. It is, however, given a ravenous appetite and begins to grow and undergo mitosis faster than the cells around it. This is why chemotherapy is so effective for certain solid tumors - they damage the fast-growing cells during their division process.

Marijuana's active compounds are anxiolytic in MOST people, and they are an effective adjunct to treating vomiting and anorexia, but you're overstating the ability for the average person using marijuana to treat their cancer with it.

Telling someone NOT to do Chemotherapy and to use pot instead, especially when some cancers have 97-98% five year survival rates with early treatment, is not only irresponsible, but dangerous.
 
2013-10-24 05:59:58 PM
So, I have one question,,,
When can I get Obamacare to pay for pot?

Wait 'till the Christian Taliban finds out it is not just birth control they now pay for.
 
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