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2013-10-23 12:47:45 AM  
Fourth season? didn't the original Israeli series only have one season.
 
2013-10-23 01:14:40 AM  
Mandy Patankin is a moody actor and I keep expecting he'll storm off the set at how ridiculous things always get.
 
2013-10-23 01:36:12 AM  
I'll save my scathing negative comments for tomorrow's Homeland sucks thread....
 
2013-10-23 01:39:23 AM  

borg: Fourth season? didn't the original Israeli series only have one season.


The original Office had like 12 episodes. This is America...adapt a series, drag it out as long as possible, then give it a happy ending.

Can't wait for Carrie/Brody wedding in the Season 8 finale. Dana catches the bouquet
 
2013-10-23 02:00:00 AM  
Claire Danes is overjoyed.

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2013-10-23 02:06:02 AM  
Homeland dropped the ball with last week's plot twist (spoiler), all they had to do was make sure we never saw Carrie alone in the first few episodes. Then it becomes like a Sixth Sense twist that you can rewatch and say ooooh! it makes sense now! But instead they showed us lots of moments of Carrie, all alone, weeping and freaking out at Saul for no one benefit's but us, the audience. And that's just lazy and ruins the twist.
 
2013-10-23 02:10:02 AM  

Confabulat: Homeland dropped the ball with last week's plot twist (spoiler), all they had to do was make sure we never saw Carrie alone in the first few episodes. Then it becomes like a Sixth Sense twist that you can rewatch and say ooooh! it makes sense now! But instead they showed us lots of moments of Carrie, all alone, weeping and freaking out at Saul for no one benefit's but us, the audience. And that's just lazy and ruins the twist.



I'm not sure Carrie knew Saul's plan until the meeting with the go-between. Or she's a "method" actor when it comes to being deep undercover. And she says at the end that she can't do it anymore, so it's possible that even if she was playing along the whole time, it was still torture for her waiting and not knowing when Saul was going to pull her out of that hospital.
 
2013-10-23 02:16:46 AM  
I read the complaints about the Dana storyline before I watched this episode, and wasn't looking forward to watching it because of that, but I didn't think it dominated as much of it as some critics were saying. It is annoying as hell - the Homeland audience isn't looking for Dawson's Creek - but it isn't destroying the whole season, either (keeping the series' two biggest stars literally locked up in cells the entire first half of the season is doing that).
 
2013-10-23 02:17:20 AM  
Homeland was amazing for the first nine episodes. Then it turned into some doofy show with this stupid Carrie/Brody romance plot.

I contend that the best thing about the show was that Carrie was seriously mentally ill and also working in a high-level position related to national security. Brody should have aced the VP, the black dude (can't remember his name) should have been fired for not taking Carrie seriously, Carrie should have been elevated to his position, and Saul should be answering to her. The drama, to me, was in Carrie trying to manage her illness while not being outed as Bipolar I/Schizophrenic AND having that illness be part of what makes her incredibly good, but incredibly dangerous at her job.

 A half-delusional Carrie not being able to get pills from her sister and being half-deluded while attempting to do her job and hide her illness would have been great drama. What we got is just pabulum.
 
2013-10-23 02:26:34 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: I'm not sure Carrie knew Saul's plan until the meeting with the go-between. Or she's a "method" actor when it comes to being deep undercover. And she says at the end that she can't do it anymore, so it's possible that even if she was playing along the whole time, it was still torture for her waiting and not knowing when Saul was going to pull her out of that hospital.


There's apparently no way she communicated with him after then. It seems that we, the audience are expected to believe Saul & Carrie planned all this (and there's an interview on ew.com with the showrunner that confirms this), so showing Carrie weeping and freaking out *ALL ALONE* while watching Saul pull off their plan is just stupid. Writers with half a brain would have her doing this with someone like Quinn around.
 
2013-10-23 02:47:37 AM  
Why?
 
2013-10-23 02:47:54 AM  

Confabulat: Homeland dropped the ball with last week's plot twist (spoiler), all they had to do was make sure we never saw Carrie alone in the first few episodes. Then it becomes like a Sixth Sense twist that you can rewatch and say ooooh! it makes sense now! But instead they showed us lots of moments of Carrie, all alone, weeping and freaking out at Saul for no one benefit's but us, the audience. And that's just lazy and ruins the twist.


I think I saw it different from you. And I don't believe she can expect privacy anywhere in the hospital.

What if she was angry at Saul for what was going on?

I know, but still, what if she was angry at Saul for what was going on? 

I mean, she's stopped taking her meds. The meds that she really needs. Hard shiat to do.
 
2013-10-23 02:48:34 AM  
Better stop the show after the 4th season so it doesn't become horrible like Dexter did.
 
2013-10-23 02:50:47 AM  
Does Showtime require all their shows to feature some really bland and annoyingly moody male character named Quinn? Just wondering.
 
2013-10-23 02:52:37 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Does Showtime require all their shows to feature some really bland and annoyingly moody male character named Quinn? Just wondering.


I honestly keep confusing the two. They both popped up out of nowhere and both don't make a lot of sense.
 
2013-10-23 02:55:42 AM  

goatleggedfellow: Confabulat: Homeland dropped the ball with last week's plot twist (spoiler), all they had to do was make sure we never saw Carrie alone in the first few episodes. Then it becomes like a Sixth Sense twist that you can rewatch and say ooooh! it makes sense now! But instead they showed us lots of moments of Carrie, all alone, weeping and freaking out at Saul for no one benefit's but us, the audience. And that's just lazy and ruins the twist.

I think I saw it different from you. And I don't believe she can expect privacy anywhere in the hospital.

What if she was angry at Saul for what was going on?

I know, but still, what if she was angry at Saul for what was going on? 

I mean, she's stopped taking her meds. The meds that she really needs. Hard shiat to do.


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/homeland-showrunner-alex- ga nsa-big-649562

Here's what the showrunner has to say about all this. He should know.
 
2013-10-23 02:56:53 AM  

Confabulat: shower_in_my_socks: I'm not sure Carrie knew Saul's plan until the meeting with the go-between. Or she's a "method" actor when it comes to being deep undercover. And she says at the end that she can't do it anymore, so it's possible that even if she was playing along the whole time, it was still torture for her waiting and not knowing when Saul was going to pull her out of that hospital.

There's apparently no way she communicated with him after then. It seems that we, the audience are expected to believe Saul & Carrie planned all this (and there's an interview on ew.com with the showrunner that confirms this), so showing Carrie weeping and freaking out *ALL ALONE* while watching Saul pull off their plan is just stupid. Writers with half a brain would have her doing this with someone like Quinn around.


Is still makes sense that she would be having freak-outs by herself. She's got more than enough reasons, being a triple-agent who is also legitimately in a psych ward and all that. There's method and madness in there.
 
2013-10-23 03:05:55 AM  

Confabulat: goatleggedfellow: Confabulat: Homeland dropped the ball with last week's plot twist (spoiler), all they had to do was make sure we never saw Carrie alone in the first few episodes. Then it becomes like a Sixth Sense twist that you can rewatch and say ooooh! it makes sense now! But instead they showed us lots of moments of Carrie, all alone, weeping and freaking out at Saul for no one benefit's but us, the audience. And that's just lazy and ruins the twist.

I think I saw it different from you. And I don't believe she can expect privacy anywhere in the hospital.

What if she was angry at Saul for what was going on?

I know, but still, what if she was angry at Saul for what was going on? 

I mean, she's stopped taking her meds. The meds that she really needs. Hard shiat to do.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/homeland-showrunner-alex- ga nsa-big-649562

Here's what the showrunner has to say about all this. He should know.


He's saying exactly what I was saying.

I understood your complaint to be that there should have been no scenes of Carrie alone and crying about Saul because it would make no sense (which, you say, there were). My comment was to say that, yes, despite the twist, there were still reasons for Carrie to be alone and crying about Saul.

I'm not sure we're on the same page, here, but I'm trying to say that everything up to the reveal still fits, if for different reasons.
 
2013-10-23 03:21:09 AM  

goatleggedfellow: My comment was to say that, yes, despite the twist, there were still reasons for Carrie to be alone and crying about Saul.


There was no reason for her to act so surprised and hurt when she was watching TV when Saul threw her under the bus to Congress, though.

You'd think she might have smiled a little.
 
2013-10-23 03:23:40 AM  
What will that wacky Dana get up to next?

Possession by Zuul? 'Tis the season, after all.
 
2013-10-23 04:32:27 AM  

borg: Fourth season? didn't the original Israeli series only have one season.


Two seasons.
 
2013-10-23 05:57:43 AM  

you are a puppet: The original Office had like 12 episodes. This is America...adapt a series, drag it out as long as possible, then give it a happy ending.

Can't wait for Carrie/Brody wedding in the Season 8 finale. Dana catches the bouquet


static.tvtome.com

Yes, I'm sure you rolled your eyes and flipped your scarf when this happened.
 
2013-10-23 06:30:40 AM  
What will that wacky Dana get up to next?


I predict a spin-off/crossover where she helps Quinn from Dexter solve crimes.
 
2013-10-23 06:42:56 AM  
Claire Danes will stare with even wider eyes?
Her character will continue to experience soul rot and depression from living in a permanent state of fear and paranoia?
More mindless violence?
 
2013-10-23 07:05:11 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: What will that wacky Dana get up to next?


I predict a spin-off/crossover where she helps Quinn from Dexter solve crimes.


If they would have ended Dexter with Quinn taking over for Dexter with the killing serial killers bit that would have been far better than the I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay ending that happened.
 
2013-10-23 07:17:04 AM  
Again I'll predict the real focus of the threat to America will move from the manipulated Muslim extremists:

A)  Survivalist / Tea Party

B) Corporate America / White Collar  ( Saw a hint with the lawyers last week .)


The show is off the track. Saul and Carrie masterplan of last week  was just a magic hat trick. Deus ex machina


 Season 4 just might have her wake up as Brody denotes his suicide vest from season one killing everyone in the bunker .
 
2013-10-23 07:22:36 AM  
If season four is anything like this season it's gonna be Dana's teen angst and Carrie constantly crying.
 
2013-10-23 07:34:18 AM  

A Terrible Human: FeedTheCollapse: What will that wacky Dana get up to next?


I predict a spin-off/crossover where she helps Quinn from Dexter solve crimes.

If they would have ended Dexter with Quinn taking over for Dexter with the killing serial killers bit that would have been far better than the I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay ending that happened.


I don't know, Quinn was a pretty pointless character. On one hand, it would've at least given him something to do, on the other hand, it's about as lame as the lumberjack thing. Even then, I don't hate the lumberjack idea as much as I just hated the whole 8th season.
 
2013-10-23 07:53:37 AM  
I expect crazy people to make sense.
 
2013-10-23 08:04:18 AM  

Koaltrain: Again I'll predict the real focus of the threat to America will move from the manipulated Muslim extremists:

A)  Survivalist / Tea Party

B) Corporate America / White Collar  ( Saw a hint with the lawyers last week .)


The show turned into 24 last season, when Brody was magically whisked away in a helicopter my Nasir on a rural field that no one at the NSA could then track.
 
2013-10-23 08:30:09 AM  

rocinante721: Koaltrain: Again I'll predict the real focus of the threat to America will move from the manipulated Muslim extremists:

A)  Survivalist / Tea Party

B) Corporate America / White Collar  ( Saw a hint with the lawyers last week .)

The show turned into 24 last season, when Brody was magically whisked away in a helicopter my Nasir on a rural field that no one at the NSA could then track.


I think that was when I realised that the show had turned from a smart show in its first season into a really farking stupid show that was only good at cliffhangers in its second season.


as an aside, I find it odd that it seems like a lot of people also seem to agree with this as it seems like I was by myself thinking this as last season was airing.
 
2013-10-23 08:45:59 AM  
If they can convice Morgan Saylor to take her clothes off more often, I'm good with that.
 
2013-10-23 08:47:59 AM  
Brody?
He was the video guy on Homicide.
I wondered what he was up to.
 
kab
2013-10-23 08:57:48 AM  
The show is getting a bit stale at this point.   While I don't mind the Dana thing, there's zero story about her brother, who should be just as affected by everything that's happened as she is.   And that just comes across as odd writing.

Last weeks twist should have been an 'oh shiat ' moment, and it turned out to be an eye-roller.

I'll keep watching, but I wouldn't mind if the 4th season was the last.

/Saul's the bad guy.
 
2013-10-23 09:04:47 AM  

kab: While I don't mind the Dana thing, there's zero story about her brother, who should be just as affected by everything that's happened as she is.   And that just comes across as odd writing.


I thought it was odd that Dana's brother (Whose name I can't even think of because he's almost non-existent now!) was not mentioned like at all for almost the first half of last season. I assumed they had written him out until he magically showed up one episode.
 
2013-10-23 09:14:54 AM  
Inevitable...

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2013-10-23 09:16:50 AM  

Confabulat: But instead they showed us lots of moments of Carrie, all alone, weeping and freaking out at Saul for no one benefit's but us, the audience. And that's just lazy and ruins the twist.


Weeping and freaking out at Saul, or weeping and freaking out about how difficult of an assignment she's about to take on?  I rewatched the first three and definitely feel it's the latter.  Not to mention it could have been that Saul didn't tell her anything beyond "We're going to have to burn you. It's not going to be pretty. But we're going to get those bastards. Can you do this?"

Either way, I'm on board. I get that Fark hates Homeland, but Fark hates everything. I'm looking forward to the rest of the season.

/also, Venezuelan chick taking care of Brody was HELL hot
 
2013-10-23 09:18:00 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: it was still torture for her waiting and not knowing when Saul was going to pull her out of that hospital.


Correct.  "Tell Saul I quit."
 
2013-10-23 09:31:34 AM  

Confabulat: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/homeland-showrunner-alex- ga nsa-big-649562

Here's what the showrunner has to say about all this. He should know.


Yeah, this:

That said, one of the thing we've learned from our CIA consultants is that the most successful intelligence operations are 95 percent true -- and the 95 percent that's true, in this case, is that Saul and Carrie were culpable and that, largely, the CIA as an organization would look for a scapegoat to lay the blame on. Saul and Carrie were playing on that natural, institutional inclination to find a scapegoat. They used that, but when you go back to the first three episodes, you can see the toll that it's taking on both of them. The con also has its consequences.

It comes down to the line toward the end of this episode when she says, "You really should have gotten me out of the hospital." That was one step too far. That was the part of her role-playing that hit too close. Although they are in this ruse together, it's painful for Carrie to admit that she's to blame for what happened and to think that because she was on her meds, she missed stopping the attack. All of that is true and playing through her head.
 
2013-10-23 10:20:02 AM  

blackminded: Confabulat: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/homeland-showrunner-alex- ga nsa-big-649562

Here's what the showrunner has to say about all this. He should know.

Yeah, this:

That said, one of the thing we've learned from our CIA consultants is that the most successful intelligence operations are 95 percent true -- and the 95 percent that's true, in this case, is that Saul and Carrie were culpable and that, largely, the CIA as an organization would look for a scapegoat to lay the blame on. Saul and Carrie were playing on that natural, institutional inclination to find a scapegoat. They used that, but when you go back to the first three episodes, you can see the toll that it's taking on both of them. The con also has its consequences.

It comes down to the line toward the end of this episode when she says, "You really should have gotten me out of the hospital." That was one step too far. That was the part of her role-playing that hit too close. Although they are in this ruse together, it's painful for Carrie to admit that she's to blame for what happened and to think that because she was on her meds, she missed stopping the attack. All of that is true and playing through her head.


blackminded: Confabulat: But instead they showed us lots of moments of Carrie, all alone, weeping and freaking out at Saul for no one benefit's but us, the audience. And that's just lazy and ruins the twist.

Weeping and freaking out at Saul, or weeping and freaking out about how difficult of an assignment she's about to take on?  I rewatched the first three and definitely feel it's the latter.  Not to mention it could have been that Saul didn't tell her anything beyond "We're going to have to burn you. It's not going to be pretty. But we're going to get those bastards. Can you do this?"

Either way, I'm on board. I get that Fark hates Homeland, but Fark hates everything. I'm looking forward to the rest of the season.

/also, Venezuelan chick taking care of Brody was HELL hot


I like it too, I think its one of the better shows of the last few years. But yeah this site is nothing but whiny losers who get mad when shows aren't so predictable that they happen exactly as the they think it should.
 
2013-10-23 10:32:45 AM  

Confabulat: goatleggedfellow: Confabulat: Homeland dropped the ball with last week's plot twist (spoiler), all they had to do was make sure we never saw Carrie alone in the first few episodes. Then it becomes like a Sixth Sense twist that you can rewatch and say ooooh! it makes sense now! But instead they showed us lots of moments of Carrie, all alone, weeping and freaking out at Saul for no one benefit's but us, the audience. And that's just lazy and ruins the twist.

I think I saw it different from you. And I don't believe she can expect privacy anywhere in the hospital.

What if she was angry at Saul for what was going on?

I know, but still, what if she was angry at Saul for what was going on? 

I mean, she's stopped taking her meds. The meds that she really needs. Hard shiat to do.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/homeland-showrunner-alex- ga nsa-big-649562

Here's what the showrunner has to say about all this. He should know.


Yeah that is stupid to say that they both planned for all of that to happen. It would have been better if she wasn't in on the plan and Saul and Shady secret group CIA guy planned it knowing that someone would approach her for information and knowing that she would find a way to come to Saul to tell him that somebody approached her.
 
2013-10-23 10:33:49 AM  
The show runner better be careful otherwise Homeland will end up on the same path as Dexter, i.e. stretching out the basic premise far beyond a few years (which is usually the best years of a show's run) to the point where the main characters become annoying and stupid in order to support story lines that have become dumb and/or absurdly implausible.
 
2013-10-23 10:45:17 AM  
NicktheSmoker:
Either way, I'm on board. I get that Fark hates Homeland, but Fark hates everything. I'm looking forward to the rest of the season.

/also, Venezuelan chick taking care of Brody was ...


Yeah, Farkers ripping on stuff is almost as entertaining as the stuff they're ripping. These threads are always good for a chuckle.

It's entertainment. It doesn't have to be perfect to be entertaining. Enjoying an episode of a show is not a declaration that it's the best thing ever on TV or that you're farking the shows creator or anything.
 
2013-10-23 10:47:58 AM  

browneye: The show runner better be careful otherwise Homeland will end up on the same path as Dexter, i.e. stretching out the basic premise far beyond a few years (which is usually the best years of a show's run) to the point where the main characters become annoying and stupid in order to support story lines that have become dumb and/or absurdly implausible.


I think it's already there, albeit not to the absurd degree that it was during Dexter's last season. This season has felt much more like the writers trying to unpaint themselves out of a corner rather than trying to move the story forward.
 
2013-10-23 10:53:20 AM  
Yada, yada, yada, but the big question is: do we get to see Morena Baccarin's boobies again?
 
kab
2013-10-23 11:19:42 AM  

waterrockets: It doesn't have to be perfect to be entertaining.


No, but it does have to be entertaining, and not incite an abundance of 'wtf is this shiat' reactions.

Sons of Anarchy has the same problem.  Good show at its core, but the writing is beyond awful at this point.
 
kab
2013-10-23 11:20:26 AM  
Not saying Homeland is beyond awful, of course.

/yet
 
kab
2013-10-23 11:21:36 AM  

ukexpat: Yada, yada, yada, but the big question is: do we get to see Morena Baccarin's boobies again?


One can only hope.

/can someone get her a cameo on GoT, so she can do a lesbian scene with Natalie Dormer?
//please?
///pretty please?
 
2013-10-23 11:54:20 AM  

blackminded: I get that Fark hates Homeland, but Fark hates everything.


Fark was very fond of Breaking Bad, and Fark likes Game of Thrones quite a lot.

Because those are solid, quality TV shows that have raised the bar, and there's not huge obvious problems plaguing them, unlike Homeland.

When you get spoiled by intelligent, sophisticated writing, the sloppy lazy kind just becomes that more evident.

It doesn't mean you can't enjoy it, but Homeland has its own first season to compete against. Season One was brilliant, gripping TV. Somewhere about 4 episodes into Season Two, it started feeling like a mockery of itself and it's been that way most of the time since. I'm glad the criticism doesn't affect your enjoyment, of course.
 
2013-10-23 12:14:12 PM  

kab: waterrockets: It doesn't have to be perfect to be entertaining.

No, but it does have to be entertaining, and not incite an abundance of 'wtf is this shiat' reactions.

Sons of Anarchy has the same problem.  Good show at its core, but the writing is beyond awful at this point.


I'm pretty good at just shrugging that stuff off and going with it. When I find myself not anxious to see the next episode of a show, I'll either skip it or watch it later in the week. There's a time for me, on some weekday evening, when even Dexter's season 8 is entertaining.
 
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