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(Wired)   When Microsoft gives Windows 8 owners the 8.1 upgrade for free, nobody says a peep. When Apple gives OS X owners the 10.9 upgrade for free, they've "ended the era of paid operating systems"   (wired.com) divider line 253
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2013-10-22 10:16:06 PM  
Dumbass, MS is only giving 8.1 away to those that ponied up epic $$ for the train wreck that was windows 8. Windows 8.1 is not free. The pro version will set you back $200 unless you spent that on 8.

There is a big difference between a Microsoft mea culpa that occurs every other OS release and Apple making OSX updates free from here on out.... Just like iOS.
 
2013-10-22 10:31:39 PM  

teknishn: Dumbass, MS is only giving 8.1 away to those that ponied up epic $$ for the train wreck that was windows 8. Windows 8.1 is not free. The pro version will set you back $200 unless you spent that on 8.

There is a big difference between a Microsoft mea culpa that occurs every other OS release and Apple making OSX updates free from here on out.... Just like iOS.


That's not an ENTIRELY fair comparison to make- you can't just go download OS X, you have to buy a Mac first, part of the cost of which comes from the cost of developing OS X.

If you bought a new Windows 8 machine last year you get the 8.1 upgrade for "free" in the same way those with Macs get the OS X.9 upgrade for "free".
 
2013-10-22 10:44:02 PM  
These two aren't comparable

Mountain Lion is a great OS. Windows 8 is not.

Thats just the simple fact of it.

Apple provided 10.1 as a free update because of how much the first version of OS X sucked
 
2013-10-22 10:49:20 PM  
Let's see ... I bought my iMac in late 2007, and it came with Leopard (10.5). I paid $30 each for 10.6 and 10.7 and $20 for 10.8, and I'll get 10.9 for free.

I bought my Dell laptop in late 2010 with Windows 7, paid $40 (or $60) back in January for Win 8 Pro (MS was running a special to try to get people to try it), then got 8.1 for free.

I dunno ... for me at least, it all seems roughly comparable.
 
2013-10-22 11:59:53 PM  

Solkar: Let's see ... I bought my iMac in late 2007, and it came with Leopard (10.5). I paid $30 each for 10.6 and 10.7 and $20 for 10.8, and I'll get 10.9 for free.

I bought my Dell laptop in late 2010 with Windows 7, paid $40 (or $60) back in January for Win 8 Pro (MS was running a special to try to get people to try it), then got 8.1 for free.

I dunno ... for me at least, it all seems roughly comparable.


I did the same, but I went from Vista to Win8 Pro for the $30 (it may have been $40, it was cheap either way when they had the deal going).

Windows 8.1 is basically a big service pack, which MS had traditionally always given away.  They charge for full new versions, but give away the updates in between.

Apple on the other hand, has up until now always charged for point releases, which are sometimes about the same as MS service packs, and sometimes closer to new OS versions.  The original version of OSX is pretty different from the version available today both in features, interface, and the way things work under the hood, it would be like if MS had called Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8 just new versions of Windows XP.

The entire article operates under a false premise.  MS charges OEMs for Windows, but Apple charges all of their customers much more for OSX.  Take a look at the specs for almost any Apple computer and you could build the same machine for much less with off-the-shelf parts.  True, you might not get quite as fancy a case, and in the case of things like the MPB's with Retina Display there isn't another option right now, but by and large, the 'Apple Tax' is still par for the course.

The article is also completely off base in terms of tablets and smartphones taking over the PC space.  Yes, tablet and smartphone sales are increasing at a faster pace than PC sales, but for the majority of people those are additional devices they use in tandem with a PC, not instead of a PC.  Most people will eventually have either a desktop or laptop (or both) as well as a smartphone and a tablet.  Tablet and smartphone sales are up because most people don't have tablets yet, and most people replace their phones every couple of years while most PCs last five or more before replacement.
 
2013-10-23 12:15:41 AM  

teknishn: Dumbass, MS is only giving 8.1 away to those that ponied up epic $$ for the train wreck that was windows 8. Windows 8.1 is not free. The pro version will set you back $200 unless you spent that on 8.


I bought Win8 Pro on several laptops for something like 39 bucks with the free optional media package during that 3 or so month period when it was released. Still have 3 that I haven't reverted to Win7... but I've done the 8.1 upgrade on them. Not much difference, really. It's still an annoying train wreck, although it's a somewhat more streamlined. It's like only 5 cars went off the rail instead of 15.
 
2013-10-23 12:24:28 AM  
NSA is funding OS development now.
 
2013-10-23 12:25:49 AM  
It all comes down to the difference between features and bug fixes.  People are generally ok paying for features, but feel like they're owed bug fixes.  10.9 had some new features, whereas 8.1 was all bug fixes.
Sure, Microsoft's PR will claim the reemergence of the start button as a "feature", but come. on.

/ Free upgrades are better in the long run.  As long as users are on the old version, you're stuck patching critical bugs on that version for some amount of time, and that costs a LOT of money.
 
2013-10-23 12:31:52 AM  

Triumph: NSA is funding OS development now.


i.imgur.com

If you only you knew the truth......major league baseball
 
2013-10-23 12:34:23 AM  
Apple is a hardware company that largely gives away its software that runs it....and spreads that cost along the hardware components. Give away iTunes and that's helps sell iPods in the long run. Not a bad strategy.

/first hit's free
 
2013-10-23 12:39:12 AM  

Somacandra: Apple is a hardware company that largely gives away its software that runs it....and spreads that cost along the hardware components. Give away iTunes and that's helps sell iPods in the long run. Not a bad strategy.

/first hit's free


Not necessarily the same thing, at least in terms of iTunes.  iTunes is just a storefront.  Sure, it has some music management features as well, but Apple doesn't care if you buy an iPod to use iTunes or not - they just care that you buy music, movies, and tv shows through it because Apple gets a cut from every transaction.

As far as the Mac line goes, the cost of OSX is built in.  Again, pretty much any hardware Apple sells can be bought for considerably less elsewhere.  They do make their money off of hardware, but part of the appeal of that hardware is the exclusive acccess to OSX or iOS.  If Apple sold retail copies of OSX so that you could just built a computer and install OSX on it, their hardware sales would certainly take a hit.
 
2013-10-23 12:45:11 AM  
10.8 didn't suck donkey balls and require a major apology
 
2013-10-23 12:48:22 AM  

teknishn: Dumbass, MS is only giving 8.1 away to those that ponied up epic $$ for the train wreck that was windows 8. Windows 8.1 is not free. The pro version will set you back $200 unless you spent that on 8.

There is a big difference between a Microsoft mea culpa that occurs every other OS release and Apple making OSX updates free from here on out.... Just like iOS.


Uh, I bought a PC nearly a year ago and Windows 8 is what you get now. Sure you can go all Linux if you want (this laptop I'm typing on runs Ubuntu) but It's not like people "ponied up epic $$ for the train wreck," they just bought new PCs like I did.

Maybe you plan on never buying a PC again or refusing to use Windows?
 
2013-10-23 12:49:28 AM  
And besides, other than a few annoyances, I haven't had any issues with Win 8. Now that you can bypass the silly colored tile screen and boot to desktop, I doubt I will ever notice it.
 
2013-10-23 12:53:00 AM  
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2013-10-23 12:54:03 AM  
The Start button works fine if you *right-click*
 
2013-10-23 12:55:45 AM  
Now, why Microsoft decided to make us *right-click* after begrudgingly giving us back a thing pretty much everyone knew how to use, well you'd have to ask the geniuses at Microsoft that one.
 
2013-10-23 12:56:49 AM  
The writer sounds like he could suck a apple through a garden hose.
 
2013-10-23 12:59:59 AM  
i was excited about 8.1. then I watched newegg's video on it, and now I'm sticking to 7 for the foresee able future.
 
2013-10-23 01:01:46 AM  

log_jammin: i was excited about 8.1. then I watched newegg's video on it, and now I'm sticking to 7 for the foresee able future.


Well most of the improvements I've noticed about 8.1 is it's made 8 more like 7, so yeah.
 
2013-10-23 01:01:54 AM  
Win 7: pretty much just Win 8 without the "f*ck you"
 
2013-10-23 01:06:02 AM  
Windows 8 seems like Microsoft being terrified of being left behind, like they were with mobile phones. (I had a very early Windows phone back in like 2008 or so and wow it was horrible). So then they decided for whiz-bang gizmos and colors and live tiles while forgetting most of their user base is still people with a keyboard and mouse, not to mention all the people who use Windows at work and really probably would get in trouble for clicking on half those live tiles anyway.

It just seemed like a panic attempt at being ahead of the curve or something, who knows.
 
2013-10-23 01:22:48 AM  

log_jammin: i was excited about 8.1. then I watched newegg's video on it, and now I'm sticking to 7 for the foresee able future.


So you never used it yourself? This is a outrage! img.fark.net
 
2013-10-23 01:30:27 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: log_jammin: i was excited about 8.1. then I watched newegg's video on it, and now I'm sticking to 7 for the foresee able future.

So you never used it yourself? This is a outrage! [img.fark.net image 850x293]


All I know is that Microsoft probably killed the desktop market with Windows 8
 
2013-10-23 01:35:18 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: The writer sounds like he could suck a apple through a garden hose.


But can he core a apple?
 
2013-10-23 01:38:11 AM  

cman: All I know is that Microsoft probably killed the desktop market with Windows 8


Oh it's not THAT different. I never use the tile screen so it's really pretty much the same to me. Depends if you can't figure out how to get past the tile screen, I guess.
 
2013-10-23 01:49:47 AM  

cman: drjekel_mrhyde: log_jammin: i was excited about 8.1. then I watched newegg's video on it, and now I'm sticking to 7 for the foresee able future.

So you never used it yourself? This is a outrage! [img.fark.net image 850x293]

All I know is that Microsoft probably killed the desktop market with Windows 8


Windows 8 gets a lot of crap from people who have never used it or haven't spent much time with it.

Live it with it for a few months and it all makes sense.  I haven't installed 8.1 yet, but from what I understand it makes it even better.

Then under-the-hood improvements alone are more than worth the slightly annoying start-screen, which isn't that different from the start menu to begin with.

Why does it matter if you launch programs from a full screen menu or from a cascading menu launched from the bottom left of the screen?
 
2013-10-23 01:53:10 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Windows 8 gets a lot of crap from people who have never used it or haven't spent much time with it.


That's pretty much what I get. It's been my primary OS (other than the Ubuntu) for about a year now and you'd have to be pretty dimwitted not to figure it out pretty fast. It does have some unneeded annoyances but it's hardly like some "killed the desktop market" bullshiat either. It's just Windows, ffs.
 
2013-10-23 01:58:29 AM  
And only Apple fanboys buy things because of a new OS anyway. I bought my Win 8 PC because my last desktop was getting pretty ancient and I wanted a better gaming device. It came with Win 8, cause that's what a new PC comes with these days. That was the only reason I own Win 8. And it's been just fine for my purposes.
 
2013-10-23 02:11:12 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: log_jammin: i was excited about 8.1. then I watched newegg's video on it, and now I'm sticking to 7 for the foresee able future.

So you never used it yourself? This is a outrage! [img.fark.net image 850x293]


at the moment I'm at work and I'm using XP

/I almost typed NT
 
2013-10-23 02:13:27 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: cman: drjekel_mrhyde: log_jammin: i was excited about 8.1. then I watched newegg's video on it, and now I'm sticking to 7 for the foresee able future.

So you never used it yourself? This is a outrage! [img.fark.net image 850x293]

All I know is that Microsoft probably killed the desktop market with Windows 8

Windows 8 gets a lot of crap from people who have never used it or haven't spent much time with it.

Live it with it for a few months and it all makes sense.  I haven't installed 8.1 yet, but from what I understand it makes it even better.

Then under-the-hood improvements alone are more than worth the slightly annoying start-screen, which isn't that different from the start menu to begin with.

Why does it matter if you launch programs from a full screen menu or from a cascading menu launched from the bottom left of the screen?


Thats the thing

Microsoft reinvented the wheel.

They shot to shiat 15 years of a desktop metaphor and replaced it with something that does not go well with a mouse/keyboard OS.

Evolution, not revolution, is the key to success in the tech world.
 
2013-10-23 02:27:07 AM  
*sigh*

Microsoft - the king of the operating system in the '80s and '90s and on into the aughts - still charges PC makers who sell the Windows OS preloaded on their desktop and laptop machines, but that business is shrinking, thanks in large part to the continued success of Apple.

Apple doesn't license their OS, so this isn't a fair comparison. Apple only puts their OS on devices they build.

Hardware is the last wall.  Apple is working towards it.
 
2013-10-23 02:40:26 AM  

cman: TuteTibiImperes: cman: drjekel_mrhyde: log_jammin: i was excited about 8.1. then I watched newegg's video on it, and now I'm sticking to 7 for the foresee able future.

So you never used it yourself? This is a outrage! [img.fark.net image 850x293]

All I know is that Microsoft probably killed the desktop market with Windows 8

Windows 8 gets a lot of crap from people who have never used it or haven't spent much time with it.

Live it with it for a few months and it all makes sense.  I haven't installed 8.1 yet, but from what I understand it makes it even better.

Then under-the-hood improvements alone are more than worth the slightly annoying start-screen, which isn't that different from the start menu to begin with.

Why does it matter if you launch programs from a full screen menu or from a cascading menu launched from the bottom left of the screen?

Thats the thing

Microsoft reinvented the wheel.

They shot to shiat 15 years of a desktop metaphor and replaced it with something that does not go well with a mouse/keyboard OS.

Evolution, not revolution, is the key to success in the tech world.


Windows 8 still has a desktop.  It's pretty much the same desktop as you had in Windows 7.  You can pin commonly used programs to the taskbar, or hit the windows key and start typing the name of what you want just like you could in 7 or Vista to go right to it.  You can click on an icon to launch a program from the Start Screen the same way you could click on a Start Menu selection in 7 or Vista.  It's really not that different.

Sure, there are metro apps that behave differently, but there's no reason for you to have to use them on a desktop.  You can keep on using the desktop versions of whatever programs you like, and only very rarely see the start screen or anything metro if you so desire.

Windows 8 really isn't that much different from previous versions of Windows.  It introduces some new things that are for the most part completely optional.  The only real difference is the start screen vs start menu, which while very different visually, is not very different in practical use.
 
2013-10-23 02:41:45 AM  
I thought it was a bigger deal that they made their productivity suite (their version of Microsoft Office) free. Keynote is better than Powerpoint, but I still use Word and Excel rather than Pages and Numbers. But if it's free on every iPad and Mac, a lot of businesses will transition to them rather than ponying up for Office and it makes Mac pricing a lot more competitive.
 
2013-10-23 02:43:05 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Windows 8 still has a desktop.  It's pretty much the same desktop as you had in Windows 7.  You can pin commonly used programs to the taskbar, or hit the windows key and start typing the name of what you want just like you could in 7 or Vista to go right to it.  You can click on an icon to launch a program from the Start Screen the same way you could click on a Start Menu selection in 7 or Vista.  It's really not that different.

Sure, there are metro apps that behave differently, but there's no reason for you to have to use them on a desktop.  You can keep on using the desktop versions of whatever programs you like, and only very rarely see the start screen or anything metro if you so desire.

Windows 8 really isn't that much different from previous versions of Windows.  It introduces some new things that are for the most part completely optional.  The only real difference is the start screen vs start menu, which while very different visually, is not very different in practical use.


Exactly. I've been running Win 8 for almost a year and I just use the desktop like I always have. The silly tile screen is just that, very silly, but when I see it I just click on Desktop and look, same ol' same ol. And with 8.1 you can just boot to Desktop anyway and skip the tile screen.

So it's not like the world changed. They just added a dumb new screen that is easily avoided.
 
2013-10-23 02:44:29 AM  

Triumph: I thought it was a bigger deal that they made their productivity suite (their version of Microsoft Office) free. Keynote is better than Powerpoint, but I still use Word and Excel rather than Pages and Numbers. But if it's free on every iPad and Mac, a lot of businesses will transition to them rather than ponying up for Office and it makes Mac pricing a lot more competitive.


That's why I run Ubuntu on the laptop, ha, I just send things from my PCs over to it and use all the free software to deal with it. It's nice having both around. Haven't seen much need for Apple though.
 
2013-10-23 02:58:03 AM  

Triumph: I thought it was a bigger deal that they made their productivity suite (their version of Microsoft Office) free. Keynote is better than Powerpoint, but I still use Word and Excel rather than Pages and Numbers. But if it's free on every iPad and Mac, a lot of businesses will transition to them rather than ponying up for Office and it makes Mac pricing a lot more competitive.


MS owns the business market when it comes to office suites right now.  From the estimates between 90%-95% of businesses us MS Office.  Sure, Google Docs, Libre Office, and other competitors can make inroads, but Apple giving away their productivity suite isn't going to do it for them.  A big reason is that Apple hardware just remains much more expensive than commodity Windows-based PCs.

The cheapest Mac, the base Mac Mini, is $600.  Companies can buy basic Windows PCs fully capable of word processing and internet usage for a little over half that amount.
 
2013-10-23 03:11:21 AM  
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Free upgrades to operating systems you already paid for? That's nice.

You may argue about who you believe is better. You may say Jobs and Cook have all the answers, or maybe your faith lies with Gates and Ballmer.

But there is a Linus. And there is a Gaben. And no matter who you are, they love you, and they want you to be happy. They don't want to see you fighting each other. They strive for a world of peace and sharing.

You want to be happy, don't you?
 
2013-10-23 05:59:13 AM  
Anyone have a link to the comic about patching the different OS?
 
2013-10-23 05:59:35 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: log_jammin: i was excited about 8.1. then I watched newegg's video on it, and now I'm sticking to 7 for the foresee able future.

So you never used it yourself? This is a outrage! [img.fark.net image 850x293]


Two?  and one of them is covered in some space chewing aol-lesque menu thing?  How Quaint.

s12.postimg.org
 
2013-10-23 06:03:33 AM  
I just got a new laptop with Windows 8 (which is taking getting used to), and there is an ominous little message when I start up saying my PC will download a Windows update in 2 days. I suspect it's the 8.1, but I've heard 8.1 is bugged to the point that it's bricking some users. I disabled updates without asking me first (I think), but if any of you got 8.1, should I be worried about it?
 
2013-10-23 06:11:57 AM  
This just in...tech media writers (Wired) are shills for Apple.

//Walt Mossberg is the worst.
 
2013-10-23 06:14:57 AM  

cman: drjekel_mrhyde: log_jammin: i was excited about 8.1. then I watched newegg's video on it, and now I'm sticking to 7 for the foresee able future.

So you never used it yourself? This is a outrage! [img.fark.net image 850x293]

All I know is that Microsoft probably killed the desktop market with Windows 8


Do you ever get tired for drawing the wrong conclusion? The "desktop" market is down for a variety of reasons from a slowdown in Moore Law to the rise of mobile devices.
 
2013-10-23 06:19:27 AM  

MagSeven: I just got a new laptop with Windows 8 (which is taking getting used to), and there is an ominous little message when I start up saying my PC will download a Windows update in 2 days. I suspect it's the 8.1, but I've heard 8.1 is bugged to the point that it's bricking some users. I disabled updates without asking me first (I think), but if any of you got 8.1, should I be worried about it?


From what I understand the 8.1 that is messed up is RT - the Tablet version. I downloaded 8.1 for my laptop, and other than the amount of time it took (a large chunk of a day) and the "hidden" bypass to use a local account instead of a "cloud" account, I have had no major problems.

I also went ahead and installed Classic Shell - it's not that I can't use 8/8.1 the way it is built, I just find it annoying, and the 8.1 "fixes" don't eliminate all the annoyances. Sure there are registry hacks, but Classic Shell is a lot simpler and seems to give me pretty granular control over the 8/8.1 "features."
 
2013-10-23 06:34:26 AM  
Uh, windows updates have pretty much always been free, even frequently the version changes.  They only charge for installs of a fresh OS on a previously non-windows device.

In fact I'd go so far as to say that paid updates are ONLY a feature of Apple products (plus or minus a couple random things I'm sure)... so I'm pretty sure that the "end of paid updates" has a very obvious implied "in the Apple monetization paradigm" stuck on the end there.  I mean, come on, even at wired no one is that retarded...

*reads article*

Oh.  I stand corrected.  Wired columnists are less literate regarding computers than my grandmother that can't get a plug-and-play printer to work.  Who knew.

Prophet of Loss: Do you ever get tired for drawing the wrong conclusion? The "desktop" market is down for a variety of reasons from a slowdown in Moore Law to the rise of mobile devices.


Um... *checking ITRS roadmap*.  Nope, Moore's law still in play.  Actually we're a little faster than that at the moment depending on what kind of overall devices you're looking at.

Admittedly there is a slowdown of _purchases_ of new hardware, but that's just because software demands, which have nothing at all to do with Moore's law, haven't really been exploding every couple months like they used to all the time.

And, yeah, because Moore's law hasn't slowed down form factors of "whatever the fark you feel like" are becoming increasingly viable so desktop-restricted hardware is out.
 
2013-10-23 06:45:20 AM  

BumpInTheNight: drjekel_mrhyde: log_jammin: i was excited about 8.1. then I watched newegg's video on it, and now I'm sticking to 7 for the foresee able future.

So you never used it yourself? This is a outrage! [img.fark.net image 850x293]

Two?  and one of them is covered in some space chewing aol-lesque menu thing?  How Quaint.

[s12.postimg.org image 850x159]


Too much clutter.

i13.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-23 06:51:32 AM  
Considering that Windoze products suck ass and the Mac OS is amazingly stable, I'd say this is pretty awesome. Speaking from extensive experience in both systems over an 18-year period.

/Of course, Microsuck never intended to monetize their junk systems, which if sold in any other product market would have sent them bankrupt decades ago.
 
2013-10-23 07:05:53 AM  
Mavericks isn't free. It's paid for by every person buying Apple's overpriced hardware. Considering that most Mac users don't even know what an OS is, and will upgrade every 2 years because their Mac is two years old, Mavericks will be paid for. The cost is factored right in there.
 
2013-10-23 07:08:56 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Solkar: Let's see ... I bought my iMac in late 2007, and it came with Leopard (10.5). I paid $30 each for 10.6 and 10.7 and $20 for 10.8, and I'll get 10.9 for free.

I bought my Dell laptop in late 2010 with Windows 7, paid $40 (or $60) back in January for Win 8 Pro (MS was running a special to try to get people to try it), then got 8.1 for free.

I dunno ... for me at least, it all seems roughly comparable.

I did the same, but I went from Vista to Win8 Pro for the $30 (it may have been $40, it was cheap either way when they had the deal going).

Windows 8.1 is basically a big service pack, which MS had traditionally always given away.  They charge for full new versions, but give away the updates in between.

Apple on the other hand, has up until now always charged for point releases, which are sometimes about the same as MS service packs, and sometimes closer to new OS versions.  The original version of OSX is pretty different from the version available today both in features, interface, and the way things work under the hood, it would be like if MS had called Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8 just new versions of Windows XP.

The entire article operates under a false premise.  MS charges OEMs for Windows, but Apple charges all of their customers much more for OSX.  Take a look at the specs for almost any Apple computer and you could build the same machine for much less with off-the-shelf parts.  True, you might not get quite as fancy a case, and in the case of things like the MPB's with Retina Display there isn't another option right now, but by and large, the 'Apple Tax' is still par for the course.

The article is also completely off base in terms of tablets and smartphones taking over the PC space.  Yes, tablet and smartphone sales are increasing at a faster pace than PC sales, but for the majority of people those are additional devices they use in tandem with a PC, not instead of a PC.  Most people will eventually have either a desktop or laptop (or both) as w ...


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2013-10-23 07:10:13 AM  
cman:

They shot to shiat 15 years of a desktop metaphor and replaced it with something that does not go well with a mouse/keyboard OS.


If you take 15 minutes to learn how to use Metro with a mouse and mouse wheel and organize your interface, it works fine and is actually a nice improvement (in combination with the task bar) to the Start Menu if you have a lot of programs.  I can get to what I need much quicker especially when working on multiple monitors.

Installing it on an older machine makes that older machine perform like a new one and it will extend the life of computers for many home and business users.
 
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