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2013-10-22 06:29:44 PM
"We're testing because we care about our kids. Alcohol is a threat to teenagers- their lives, their dreams, their hopes," St. Viator High School President Corey Brost said

Also they're Nazi-like control freaks, but "caring about the kids" sounds a lot better.
 
2013-10-22 06:48:17 PM

Marcus Aurelius: "We're testing because we care about our kids. Alcohol is a threat to teenagers- their lives, their dreams, their hopes," St. Viator High School President Corey Brost said

Also they're Nazi-like control freaks, but "caring about the kids" sounds a lot better.


If you're not a Nazi-like control freak, you can't really call yourself a Catholic.

This is a private school, so I couldn't give two shiats what they do to their students. They pay for their autonomy.
 
2013-10-22 06:50:10 PM
Do they get Special Dispensation for communion wine?
 
2013-10-22 06:51:52 PM

exick: Do they get Special Dispensation for communion wine?


That's a good question.

A blood of Christ exemption.
 
2013-10-22 08:08:05 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: This is a private school, so I couldn't give two shiats what they do to their students. They pay for their autonomy.


My thought too. As long as we can force them to provide birth control to employees that is. Cheers.
 
2013-10-22 08:18:21 PM

OregonVet: ecmoRandomNumbers: This is a private school, so I couldn't give two shiats what they do to their students. They pay for their autonomy.

My thought too. As long as we can force them to provide birth control healthcare to employees that is. Cheers.


Fixed.
 
2013-10-22 08:19:36 PM
As long as they are not testing for virginity, I'm OK with this.

/private school, they can test if they want
/wouldn't send my kids there
 
2013-10-22 08:19:55 PM
is opposing views a...normal website?  How do I put this...is it reputable?  I'm not trying to illicit any negative responses, I just keep seeing their links and to me they are relatively new.  I guess I could go to their website and check it out myself, but, well, I've already begun typing.
 
2013-10-22 08:23:11 PM
Are they using the test that is well known to give false positives and thus ruin the lives of innocent people?  I hope they are.  I would love for that test to be destroyed in court and millions of probation violations to be voided thus costing the prohibitionists billions of dollars in restitution.
 
2013-10-22 08:24:11 PM

exick: Do they get Special Dispensation for communion wine?


No, because of trans-substantiation. Since it actually is the blood of Christ, there's no alcohol.
 
2013-10-22 08:27:19 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: This is a private school, so I couldn't give two shiats what they do to their students. They pay for their autonomy.


I do. I'm of the opinion that it doesn't matter how much you pay, or how much you're willing to give up; you don't get to trample the freedoms of anyone else.  "Autonomy" is just another word for "Authoritarianism in smaller chunks".
 
2013-10-22 08:29:23 PM

1000 Ways to Dye: exick: Do they get Special Dispensation for communion wine?

No, because of trans-substantiation. Since it actually is the blood of Christ, there's no alcohol.


Bravo. I hope every lawyer in the Chicagoland area has read this, and pulls it out when the inevitable lawsuit comes up
 
2013-10-22 08:29:50 PM

1000 Ways to Dye: exick: Do they get Special Dispensation for communion wine?

No, because of trans-substantiation. Since it actually is the blood of Christ, there's no alcohol.


Would be the best DUI court case ever.
 
2013-10-22 08:30:45 PM
Alcohol leaves the body fairly quickly.  It will only identify chronic drinkers.
 
2013-10-22 08:31:14 PM

hervatski: is opposing views a...normal website?  How do I put this...is it reputable?  I'm not trying to illicit any negative responses, I just keep seeing their links and to me they are relatively new.  I guess I could go to their website and check it out myself, but, well, I've already begun typing.


They're just a news aggregator. You could follow the links they posted to other sites, but that sounds like it might be too much work for you.
 
2013-10-22 08:32:10 PM
that's funny, because i randomly consume alcohol, and then go to high schools.

/teacher
 
2013-10-22 08:33:27 PM
So the kids that get sick and take cold medicine with alcohol in it are screwed?
 
2013-10-22 08:37:14 PM

kidsizedcoffin: So the kids that get sick and take cold medicine with alcohol in it are screwed?


No, the test doesn't work that way.
 
2013-10-22 08:41:30 PM
I went to my first gay bar a few weeks ago... Maybe I'm naive, but I honestly thought it would be just a normal bar, only with a bunch of gay dudes instead of frat bros and party chicks. It was... Not at all what I was expecting.
 
2013-10-22 08:41:43 PM

exick: Do they get Special Dispensation for communion wine?


They're Catholics. The Communion wine is just for the priests. Only bloody Proddies give some to congregants.

/recovering Catholic
 
2013-10-22 08:41:59 PM
Alcohol leaves your system right away. Most kids drink on Friday night. Will they "catch" anyone?
 
2013-10-22 08:42:03 PM
I was going to be outraged, but then I saw it's at a private school, so not an issue.
 
2013-10-22 08:42:55 PM
Wroooong thread
 
2013-10-22 08:43:06 PM

vabeard: Alcohol leaves the body fairly quickly.  It will only identify chronic drinkers.


This.  Unless the kid they are testing just happened to get really drunk the night before it's not going to show up.

/ although when I was in high school I knew a kid that got drunk at school more than once, so they might catch one of those types I guess
// in hindsight being drunk probably made that place more tolerable
 
2013-10-22 08:43:28 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Marcus Aurelius: "We're testing because we care about our kids. Alcohol is a threat to teenagers- their lives, their dreams, their hopes," St. Viator High School President Corey Brost said

Also they're Nazi-like control freaks, but "caring about the kids" sounds a lot better.

If you're not a Nazi-like control freak, you can't really call yourself a Catholic.

This is a private school, so I couldn't give two shiats what they do to their students. They pay for their autonomy.


As somebody who was forced to go to Catholic school, I differ from your opinion.
 
2013-10-22 08:45:47 PM
As with some of my teachers, I couldn't have gotten through public school without some alcohol.
 
2013-10-22 08:45:56 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I went to my first gay bar a few weeks ago... Maybe I'm naive, but I honestly thought it would be just a normal bar, only with a bunch of gay dudes instead of frat bros and party chicks. It was... Not at all what I was expecting.


Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Wroooong thread


Maybe, but only by a few years.
 
2013-10-22 08:46:22 PM

fusillade762: hervatski: is opposing views a...normal website?  How do I put this...is it reputable?  I'm not trying to illicit any negative responses, I just keep seeing their links and to me they are relatively new.  I guess I could go to their website and check it out myself, but, well, I've already begun typing.

They're just a news aggregator. You could follow the links they posted to other sites, but that sounds like it might be too much work for you.


hmmm, so unmotivated that they can't be bothered to click a link. Sounds like pot usage, we should test hervatski.
 
2013-10-22 08:48:08 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: This is a private school, so I couldn't give two shiats what they do to their students.


It would be nice if we didn't assign children to such douchey parents though -- the people actually affected by this policy aren't free to choose another school.
 
2013-10-22 08:51:54 PM

fusillade762: hervatski: is opposing views a...normal website?  How do I put this...is it reputable?  I'm not trying to illicit any negative responses, I just keep seeing their links and to me they are relatively new.  I guess I could go to their website and check it out myself, but, well, I've already begun typing.

They're just a news aggregator. You could follow the links they posted to other sites, but that sounds like it might be too much work for you.


So fark a news aggregator is pointing to a new aggregator that points to a website?
 
2013-10-22 08:52:06 PM

Mztlplx: exick: Do they get Special Dispensation for communion wine?

They're Catholics. The Communion wine is just for the priests. Only bloody Proddies give some to congregants.

/recovering Catholic


Ummm, lots of Catholic churches have communion in both forms for the congregation.  In Eastern Rite Catholic churches you can't have communion without wine.
 
2013-10-22 08:52:23 PM

vabeard: Alcohol leaves the body fairly quickly.  It will only identify chronic drinkers.


You sure about that?  A quick search about the topic reveals a test will reveal if a person drank within the past 90 days, regardless of frequency.
 
2013-10-22 08:52:50 PM
Let's make it a reciprocate policy:

ALL school staff first.
 
2013-10-22 08:53:54 PM
I substituted at a small, not to be named high school in southern Arkansas a few weeks back.  Every few minutes, the office would call a handful of students to the office, though-out the day.  (Mind you this was the nicest class I've EVER subbed for and the ONLY thing wrecking my lecture on Chaucer was this whinny voice over the PA calling names.)  I finally asked one of the kids what was up with it. She informed me that at the beginning of the school year, all of the parents had signed permission slips for random drug screening homecoming week and prom week, and that this was the day of the "if you come back hot you don't get to play/cheer/or get crowned homecoming court" tests. (I had to literally turn my back to control my WTF? face.)  I found it vaguely disturbing.  While I guess their butts are covered since the parents signed the permission slip, and it does seem that the parents at least cared enough to sign the forms (as opposed to other schools around here where the parents would be PISSED if Joe, Jr. missed a game for any reason, including academic suspension) I still find the notion of a school doing drug tests a bit too big brother for my taste...I home school my own son because of issues like this...that and the whole teach the Bible as science/history, make them say the pledge everyday, and FREQUENT public prayer events.
 
2013-10-22 08:54:52 PM

hervatski: fusillade762: hervatski: is opposing views a...normal website?  How do I put this...is it reputable?  I'm not trying to illicit any negative responses, I just keep seeing their links and to me they are relatively new.  I guess I could go to their website and check it out myself, but, well, I've already begun typing.

They're just a news aggregator. You could follow the links they posted to other sites, but that sounds like it might be too much work for you.

So fark a news aggregator is pointing to a new aggregator that points to a website?


Remember, Fark is a NOT-news aggregator*, and its value is derived from people who pay $5 to post on the threads that don't make it to the main page.

*Back when that was the tagline, instead of "Real News, Real Funny".  Real lame.
 
2013-10-22 08:55:06 PM
Yay! my old high school! Previously best known as Ted Nugent's alma mater. I think Walter Payton's son might have gone there too, but that was after my time, . Easy solution to this dilemma. Everybody shave their heads
 
2013-10-22 08:56:16 PM

Pincy: As long as they are not testing for virginity, I'm OK with this.

/private school, they can test if they want
/wouldn't send my kids there


Yes, they can, but why do parents put up with it? Someone is taking your kid's DNA, and you just let them?

Something's gone horribly wrong with US Americans.
 
2013-10-22 08:57:37 PM
I live in Georgia, and it is perfectly legal for people under 21 to drink at home with their parents here and in 28 other states.

http://drinkingage.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=002591

http://drinkingage.procon.org/sourcefiles/GeorgiaUnderAgeAlcConsumpL aw .pdf
 
2013-10-22 08:58:06 PM

Teresaol31: I substituted at a small, not to be named high school in southern Arkansas a few weeks back.  Every few minutes, the office would call a handful of students to the office, though-out the day.  (Mind you this was the nicest class I've EVER subbed for and the ONLY thing wrecking my lecture on Chaucer was this whinny voice over the PA calling names.)  I finally asked one of the kids what was up with it. She informed me that at the beginning of the school year, all of the parents had signed permission slips for random drug screening homecoming week and prom week, and that this was the day of the "if you come back hot you don't get to play/cheer/or get crowned homecoming court" tests. (I had to literally turn my back to control my WTF? face.)  I found it vaguely disturbing.  While I guess their butts are covered since the parents signed the permission slip, and it does seem that the parents at least cared enough to sign the forms (as opposed to other schools around here where the parents would be PISSED if Joe, Jr. missed a game for any reason, including academic suspension) I still find the notion of a school doing drug tests a bit too big brother for my taste...I home school my own son because of issues like this...that and the whole teach the Bible as science/history, make them say the pledge everyday, and FREQUENT public prayer events.


Wouldn't it make more sense to move to a less kooky part of the USA?
 
2013-10-22 08:58:25 PM

Devo: Alcohol leaves your system right away. Most kids drink on Friday night. Will they "catch" anyone?


They're not testing only for alcohol.
 
2013-10-22 08:59:40 PM
As a Catholic School survivor; I'm getting a kick out of these comments.

/ they now have cameras on the halls, in front the bathrooms, on the stairs, on the doors; basically, anywhere a camera could conceivably fit.
 
2013-10-22 09:01:37 PM

valkore: Teresaol31: I substituted at a small, not to be named high school in southern Arkansas a few weeks back.  Every few minutes, the office would call a handful of students to the office, though-out the day.  (Mind you this was the nicest class I've EVER subbed for and the ONLY thing wrecking my lecture on Chaucer was this whinny voice over the PA calling names.)  I finally asked one of the kids what was up with it. She informed me that at the beginning of the school year, all of the parents had signed permission slips for random drug screening homecoming week and prom week, and that this was the day of the "if you come back hot you don't get to play/cheer/or get crowned homecoming court" tests. (I had to literally turn my back to control my WTF? face.)  I found it vaguely disturbing.  While I guess their butts are covered since the parents signed the permission slip, and it does seem that the parents at least cared enough to sign the forms (as opposed to other schools around here where the parents would be PISSED if Joe, Jr. missed a game for any reason, including academic suspension) I still find the notion of a school doing drug tests a bit too big brother for my taste...I home school my own son because of issues like this...that and the whole teach the Bible as science/history, make them say the pledge everyday, and FREQUENT public prayer events.

Wouldn't it make more sense to move to a less kooky part of the USA?


...you mean there is a less kooky part of the USA?
 
2013-10-22 09:01:59 PM
a nephew in a Vernon NJ public HS had to submit to drug testing several times; they would not allow him back in school without proof of testing. this was at the drop of a hat because teacher(s) felt his behavior was improper. grandparents (legal guardians) had to flip the bill each time. he never popped positive once.

same school put him into classes grades above his that he was not equipped to handle; their reason was due to his physical size. big for his age.

parental consent or not it's obvious school administrators yield way too much power and lack in good judgment.
 
2013-10-22 09:02:04 PM
I was about to be outraged, as this is a clear case of violation of privacy. Then i saw it was a Catholic private school and i went..meh. At least they arent hammering little boy ass.


/oh wait.
 
2013-10-22 09:02:22 PM
3) Illinois law prohibits persons under the age of 21 from purchasing, possessing, consuming and accepting a gift of alcoholic beverages, except under the direct supervision and approval of the parents or parent in the privacy of a home or during a religious ceremony.

So what are they going to do when some parents allow their kids to have some wine with Sunday dinner?
 
2013-10-22 09:03:49 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I went to my first gay bar a few weeks ago...


Was Alcohol involved, you could make a strong anti-booze message to these kids from the religious right.
 
2013-10-22 09:04:55 PM

Teresaol31: I substituted at a small, not to be named high school in southern Arkansas a few weeks back.  Every few minutes, the office would call a handful of students to the office, though-out the day.  (Mind you this was the nicest class I've EVER subbed for and the ONLY thing wrecking my lecture on Chaucer was this whinny voice over the PA calling names.)  I finally asked one of the kids what was up with it. She informed me that at the beginning of the school year, all of the parents had signed permission slips for random drug screening homecoming week and prom week, and that this was the day of the "if you come back hot you don't get to play/cheer/or get crowned homecoming court" tests. (I had to literally turn my back to control my WTF? face.)  I found it vaguely disturbing.  While I guess their butts are covered since the parents signed the permission slip, and it does seem that the parents at least cared enough to sign the forms (as opposed to other schools around here where the parents would be PISSED if Joe, Jr. missed a game for any reason, including academic suspension) I still find the notion of a school doing drug tests a bit too big brother for my taste...I home school my own son because of issues like this...that and the whole teach the Bible as science/history, make them say the pledge everyday, and FREQUENT public prayer events.


I'm from California but happen to be living in the south and dating a local who managed to escape her parents church. Last weekend we went to her cousin's H.S. football game and I was dumbstruck at the christian prayer before the game. She told me it wouldn't even occur to the administrators that there might be any other faith in the crowd.
 
2013-10-22 09:04:57 PM

TheGreatGazoo: I live in Georgia, and it is perfectly legal for people under 21 to drink at home with their parents here and in 28 other states.

http://drinkingage.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=002591

http://drinkingage.procon.org/sourcefiles/GeorgiaUnderAgeAlcConsumpL aw .pdf


Drunkern homeschooling FTW!
 
2013-10-22 09:06:00 PM

italie: 1000 Ways to Dye: exick: Do they get Special Dispensation for communion wine?

No, because of trans-substantiation. Since it actually is the blood of Christ, there's no alcohol.

Bravo. I hope every lawyer in the Chicagoland area has read this, and pulls it out when the inevitable lawsuit comes up


What lawsuit?  It is a private school and they are not breaking any laws by testing the kids for alcohol
 
2013-10-22 09:07:43 PM

TheGreatGazoo: I live in Georgia, and it is perfectly legal for people under 21 to drink at home with their parents here and in 28 other states.

http://drinkingage.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=002591

http://drinkingage.procon.org/sourcefiles/GeorgiaUnderAgeAlcConsumpL aw .pdf


Uh, yeah.  I'm pretty sure if a group of parents hosted a kegger for their respective children, in any of these states, said parents would be charged with endangerment of a minor.  These statues are really to allow a sip of champagne at a backyard celebration without some other attendee calling CPS.  Also probably because a lot of these states would otherwise consider taking a dose of NyQuil to be drinking.

Since this article is about a place in Illinois, let's read the specific statue on the Web site you referenced: "The law permits a student 18 years of age or older who "tastes, but does not imbibe, alcoholic liquor for instructional purposes up to, but not exceeding, 6 times per class as a part of a required course in which the student temporarily possesses alcoholic liquor for tasting, not imbibing, purposes only in a class setting on the campus and, thereafter, the alcoholic liquor is possessed and remains under the control of the instructor."

Doesn't apply to this article.
 
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