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(Toronto Sun)   The Jets fan caught on tape punching a woman in a Patriots jersey in the face, is actually a convicted murderer, or, by Jets' fan standards, "a pretty nice guy"   (torontosun.com) divider line 149
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2013-10-22 04:49:46 PM  
Jets? I would have thought he would be an Eagles fan.
 
2013-10-22 05:09:46 PM  
Watching the video, it's not "Guy punches her" it's "guy punches her back"

I realize I lose feminist points for saying this, but it really looks like she opened that door, he just stepped through it. Of course I wasn't there, and I'm sure the courts will have their take on it, but just going by what I see, this isn't a story. Like at all.
 
2013-10-22 05:24:32 PM  
Justified or not, if you're a convicted murderer don't put yourself in these situations. However, as a convicted murderer, your judgement is probably not good enough to keep you out of these situations.
 
2013-10-22 05:27:12 PM  
Meh, at least he didn't stab her.
 
2013-10-22 05:35:19 PM  
Where are the Sharks when you need them?
 
2013-10-22 05:47:28 PM  
So, Pats fans are so stupid that a woman would punch a convicted murderer in the face?
 
2013-10-22 05:49:29 PM  
So jets fans like him as much as Aaron Hernandez?
 
2013-10-22 05:49:43 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Justified or not, if you're a convicted murderer don't put yourself in these situations.


He was convicted of "negligent homicide" when he was 17 years old.  He's 38 now.  The relevance his conviction has on this story is about as much as the need for this story to be told in the first place.

Also, the woman attacked first.  What's he supposed do to not put himself in that situation?  Don't go outside, ever?
 
2013-10-22 05:53:12 PM  
MRA's mom - "He's the victim, really," she said. "He was just concerned for his mother and himself."
 
2013-10-22 06:00:01 PM  
Yup, she asked for it.

Seriously, if you're a short blonde chick don't go picking a fight with a large dude.  He may just take you up on the offer.
 
2013-10-22 06:00:21 PM  
lol. Wasn't the guy who beat the biatch up behind the Mcdonalds counter also a killer?
 
2013-10-22 06:02:12 PM  
My Dad always told me "don't pick a fight with a dude who wears a Wayne Chrebet jersey with camo shorts in public".
 
2013-10-22 06:02:16 PM  
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2013-10-22 06:09:07 PM  
"Paschke is described as a Jets superfan and owns a mini-bus decorated with the team's logo and colours."


Sounds legit.
 
2013-10-22 06:15:58 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Yup, she asked for it.

Seriously, if you're a short blonde chick don't go picking a fight with a large dude.  He may just take you up on the offer.


I've been in plenty of situations where someone hit me or took a swing, and I got out if it without punching anyone in the face. But I guess this is a great scenario for you to say it's cool to punch someone who poses no real threat.
 
2013-10-22 06:18:02 PM  

Killer Cars: My Dad always told me "don't pick a fight with a dude who wears a Wayne Chrebet jersey with camo shorts in public".


My dad gave me the exact opposite advice, but I haven't run into that situation yet.
 
2013-10-22 06:21:45 PM  
Who cares about the murderer, who is the hotty in the red hat?
 
2013-10-22 06:26:26 PM  

proteus_b: So, Pats fans are so stupid that a woman would punch a convicted murderer in the face?


I'm sure she checked his record before drunkenly slapping him.
 
2013-10-22 06:26:36 PM  

kwame: Representative of the unwashed masses: Yup, she asked for it.

Seriously, if you're a short blonde chick don't go picking a fight with a large dude.  He may just take you up on the offer.

I've been in plenty of situations where someone hit me or took a swing, and I got out if it without punching anyone in the face. But I guess this is a great scenario for you to say it's cool to punch someone who poses no real threat.


She won't come swinging at another person anytime soon. Lesson learned.
 
2013-10-22 06:28:59 PM  

Lego_Addict: kwame: Representative of the unwashed masses: Yup, she asked for it.

Seriously, if you're a short blonde chick don't go picking a fight with a large dude.  He may just take you up on the offer.

I've been in plenty of situations where someone hit me or took a swing, and I got out if it without punching anyone in the face. But I guess this is a great scenario for you to say it's cool to punch someone who poses no real threat.

She won't come swinging at another person anytime soon. Lesson learned.


That's a pretty f*cking stupid thing to say. She won't learn anything. The idiot was probably drunk.
 
2013-10-22 06:30:26 PM  

kwame: Representative of the unwashed masses: Yup, she asked for it.

Seriously, if you're a short blonde chick don't go picking a fight with a large dude.  He may just take you up on the offer.

I've been in plenty of situations where someone hit me or took a swing, and I got out if it without punching anyone in the face. But I guess this is a great scenario for you to say it's cool to punch someone who poses no real threat.


So it's his fault she attacked him?  Personally I would like to think I wouldn't hit anyone, let alone a woman.  But I'm not going to feel sorry for her.
 
2013-10-22 06:31:10 PM  
It certainly wasn't chivalrous, but chivalry is dead  It looks bad certainly, but it appears justified given the woman's action.  Of course some people abide by the Chris Rock school of thought.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVb6VHvCupw (NSFW language)

In my mind it was self-defense.  Women don't deserve any special protection in that kind of a situation.  She initiated an attack and continued after a separation to attack him.  He was defending himself and ended the threat.  A punch for a punch is reasonable use of force.
 
2013-10-22 06:32:15 PM  

Daedalus27: It certainly wasn't chivalrous, but chivalry is dead  It looks bad certainly, but it appears justified given the woman's action.  Of course some people abide by the Chris Rock school of thought.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVb6VHvCupw (NSFW language)

In my mind it was self-defense.  Women don't deserve any special protection in that kind of a situation.  She initiated an attack and continued after a separation to attack him.  He was defending himself and ended the threat.  A punch for a punch is reasonable use of force.


THIS
 
2013-10-22 06:34:20 PM  
From one angle it showed she was taking a swing at him Of course he's going to pack a bigger punch, so it's not a fair fight. But if someone's in your face, you act on instinct, not whether it's a fair fight.
 
2013-10-22 06:35:49 PM  
I am a large human being. I don't care how annoying a woman is or whether she "started" it. I would NEVER hit a woman because no matter what she has done to me If I hit her she WILL get hurt and I WILL go to jail for a long time. First rule of being a man guys. NEVER hit a woman. How hard is it to remember that?
 
2013-10-22 06:40:09 PM  

Delawheredad: I am a large human being. I don't care how annoying a woman is or whether she "started" it. I would NEVER hit a woman because no matter what she has done to me If I hit her she WILL get hurt and I WILL go to jail for a long time. First rule of being a man guys. NEVER hit a woman. How hard is it to remember that?


A friends dad was abused by his wife for a long time because of this attitude, he was 5'9'' she was 6'2''

/any one who says never is an idiot
 
2013-10-22 06:40:28 PM  

Daedalus27: It certainly wasn't chivalrous, but chivalry is dead  It looks bad certainly, but it appears justified given the woman's action.  Of course some people abide by the Chris Rock school of thought.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVb6VHvCupw (NSFW language)

In my mind it was self-defense.  Women don't deserve any special protection in that kind of a situation.  She initiated an attack and continued after a separation to attack him.  He was defending himself and ended the threat.  A punch for a punch is reasonable use of force.


It's not about men or women. It's about the level of the threat. You all know that.
 
2013-10-22 06:41:04 PM  

oryx: From one angle it showed she was taking a swing at him Of course he's going to pack a bigger punch, so it's not a fair fight. But if someone's in your face, you act on instinct, not whether it's a fair fight.


Delawheredad: I am a large human being. I don't care how annoying a woman is or whether she "started" it. I would NEVER hit a woman because no matter what she has done to me If I hit her she WILL get hurt and I WILL go to jail for a long time. First rule of being a man guys. NEVER hit a woman. How hard is it to remember that?


She not only started it, she REstarted it after others broke the fracas up and separated them a decent length. How many times does a woman, a complete stranger mind you, have to hit you in the face before you do something about it?
 
2013-10-22 06:41:55 PM  
Eh, the video doesn't start early enough to say who started it. That being said, she certainly escalated it by going after him after he had been restrained and separated. I'm sure she was convinced he'd never punch her back. Win some, lose some.
 
2013-10-22 06:43:16 PM  

Yes please: Eh, the video doesn't start early enough to say who started it. That being said, she certainly escalated it by going after him after he had been restrained and separated. I'm sure she was convinced he'd never punch her back. Win some, lose some.


It doesn't matter who started it. This is just an excellent time to justify punching someone who isn't a physical threat.
 
2013-10-22 06:43:31 PM  

Delawheredad: I am a large human being. I don't care how annoying a woman is or whether she "started" it. I would NEVER hit a woman because no matter what she has done to me If I hit her she WILL get hurt and I WILL go to jail for a long time. First rule of being a man guys. NEVER hit a woman. How hard is it to remember that?



How hard is it to remember that if you take a swing at someone, they're probably going to swing back?

Equal rights.
 
2013-10-22 06:43:54 PM  
Sounds like this guy just failed to see the Tebow in her, and couldn't offer the other cheek.
 
2013-10-22 06:44:47 PM  

Delawheredad: I am a large human being. I don't care how annoying a woman is or whether she "started" it. I would NEVER hit a woman because no matter what she has done to me If I hit her she WILL get hurt and I WILL go to jail for a long time. First rule of being a man guys. NEVER hit a woman. How hard is it to remember that?

(favorite: After years of a vanilla existence i am now in a submissive relationship to a Dominant female)

 
2013-10-22 06:44:49 PM  

Delawheredad: I am a large human being. I don't care how annoying a woman is or whether she "started" it. I would NEVER hit a woman because no matter what she has done to me If I hit her she WILL get hurt and I WILL go to jail for a long time. First rule of being a man guys. NEVER hit a woman. How hard is it to remember that?


Sounds like you're just afraid a girl would kick your ass.
 
2013-10-22 06:45:28 PM  

kwame: This is just an excellent time to justify punching someone who isn't a physical threat.


Being repeatedly punched IN THE FACE is not a physical threat (woman or not)?
 
2013-10-22 06:47:07 PM  

kwame: Yes please: Eh, the video doesn't start early enough to say who started it. That being said, she certainly escalated it by going after him after he had been restrained and separated. I'm sure she was convinced he'd never punch her back. Win some, lose some.

It doesn't matter who started it. This is just an excellent time to justify punching someone who isn't a physical threat.


I agree that the girls you interact with aren't physical threats, but the rest of us are referring to living, breathing people here kwame.
 
2013-10-22 06:47:25 PM  

kwame: It's not about men or women. It's about the level of the threat. You all know that.


It's fine if you want to view it that way, but let's not pretend that this is situation where two rational people were making decisions. If we're going with the assumption that she was too drunk to know better than to take a swing at someone bigger than her, then I think it's fair to assume that he was also too drunk to make the necessary threat level assessment as to whether or not hitting her back was just/legal/chivalrous/a good idea. I'm not absolving her of responsibility for her behavior "because: beer" without affording him the same judgment.
 
2013-10-22 06:47:59 PM  

kwame: Yes please: Eh, the video doesn't start early enough to say who started it. That being said, she certainly escalated it by going after him after he had been restrained and separated. I'm sure she was convinced he'd never punch her back. Win some, lose some.

It doesn't matter who started it. This is just an excellent time to justify punching someone who isn't a physical threat.


Stop de-legitimizing this person based just on her gender just because of your own preconceived stereotypes.  It's condescending and sexist.
 
2013-10-22 06:48:02 PM  

The Bestest: kwame: This is just an excellent time to justify punching someone who isn't a physical threat.

Being repeatedly punched IN THE FACE is not a physical threat (woman or not)?


Maybe you're too dim to figure this out, but I tend to walk away when drunks start arguing and fighting. It's not like she was trying to take his wallet in a dark alley.
 
2013-10-22 06:49:07 PM  

InmanRoshi: How hard is it to remember that if you take a swing at someone, they're probably going to swing back?

Equal rights.


and lefts
 
2013-10-22 06:50:38 PM  

exick: kwame: It's not about men or women. It's about the level of the threat. You all know that.

It's fine if you want to view it that way, but let's not pretend that this is situation where two rational people were making decisions. If we're going with the assumption that she was too drunk to know better than to take a swing at someone bigger than her, then I think it's fair to assume that he was also too drunk to make the necessary threat level assessment as to whether or not hitting her back was just/legal/chivalrous/a good idea. I'm not absolving her of responsibility for her behavior "because: beer" without affording him the same judgment.


That's a fair point, and what it boils down to is there's no justification for the fight on either side, so it's a good idea to stop trying to take the side of the man because he punched a woman.
 
2013-10-22 06:53:09 PM  
FTFA: Paschke, 38, was 17 at the time of the stabbing, the result of a fight behind a pizza parlour in Sayville, N.Y.


Sounds about right.
 
2013-10-22 06:56:02 PM  

kwame: The Bestest: kwame: This is just an excellent time to justify punching someone who isn't a physical threat.

Being repeatedly punched IN THE FACE is not a physical threat (woman or not)?

Maybe you're too dim to figure this out, but I tend to walk away when drunks start arguing and fighting. It's not like she was trying to take his wallet in a dark alley.


You know she isn't going to sleep with you right?

They both probably could see just well enough to swing.  But ok, let's reverse this then.  A 5'5" scrawny dude is taking potshots at a 6' tall built woman.  Is it ok for her to hit back?  After all she'd probably obliterate him.
 
2013-10-22 07:01:25 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: kwame: The Bestest: kwame: This is just an excellent time to justify punching someone who isn't a physical threat.

Being repeatedly punched IN THE FACE is not a physical threat (woman or not)?

Maybe you're too dim to figure this out, but I tend to walk away when drunks start arguing and fighting. It's not like she was trying to take his wallet in a dark alley.

You know she isn't going to sleep with you right?

They both probably could see just well enough to swing.  But ok, let's reverse this then.  A 5'5" scrawny dude is taking potshots at a 6' tall built woman.  Is it ok for her to hit back?  After all she'd probably obliterate him.


So you're going to resort to imaginary scenarios to support this now?
 
2013-10-22 07:02:00 PM  
I can imagine that if my sexual relationships with women were limited to inanimate RealDollsTM I would hold live ones in such a high regard that without any more evidence than a cellphone video there could never, ever, be a valid reason to hit one.
 
2013-10-22 07:04:41 PM  
 
2013-10-22 07:10:45 PM  

OregonVet: I can imagine that if my sexual relationships with women were limited to inanimate RealDollsTM I would hold live ones in such a high regard that without any more evidence than a cellphone video there could never, ever, be a valid reason to hit one.


I can imagine if I were the kind of person to latch on to a 3 year old joke thread, I'd be incapable of figuring out why it's a problem when men line up to jump and and point and say "Yay finally an excuse to punch women!"
 
2013-10-22 07:14:00 PM  

kwame: OregonVet: I can imagine that if my sexual relationships with women were limited to inanimate RealDollsTM I would hold live ones in such a high regard that without any more evidence than a cellphone video there could never, ever, be a valid reason to hit one.

I can imagine if I were the kind of person to latch on to a 3 year old joke thread, I'd be incapable of figuring out why it's a problem when men line up to jump and and point and say "Yay finally an excuse to punch women!"


Yes. Men everywhere are using this incident as a license to finally give that one biatch in their life what's totally coming to her. That's totally happening right now.
 
2013-10-22 07:16:06 PM  
Hey subby, what does his past criminal history have to do with anything?  She attacked him, he defended himself.  Why is this suddenly an outrage?
 
2013-10-22 07:18:43 PM  

kwame: I can imagine if I were the kind of person to latch on to a 3 year old joke thread, I'd be incapable of figuring out why it's a problem when men line up to jump and and point and say "Yay finally an excuse to punch women!"


Not just -a- thread. And I'm not latching on to anything. You can't be taken seriously, especially when you take such an absolute and uninformed stance on the soapbox. Stick to what you're good at.
 
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