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2013-10-22 12:33:53 PM
Farked link?

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Law Enforcement sources tell the Valley Patriot this morning that the media hype surrounding North Andover High  School student Erin Cox being suspended for allegedly giving her friend a ride from a drinking party was ... a lie.

Law enforcement sources in Boxford and North Andover told the Valley Patriot that social media posts show other students at the underage drinking party had posted on social media sites calling Cox a "liar" for claiming she was not at the underage drinking party when it was raided by police.

Cox told the media through her attorney that she was only at the party to give her friend a ride home, because her friend was too drunk to drive. Parents of children at the drinking party posted on the WGBH Boston blog, stating that all students at the party were driven home by parents, none were driven home by students and that Erin was at the party for a long time prior to the arrival of police. Also posted on the WGBH blog was a posting by one of Cox's family members asking that people not give donations to the legal defense fund set up for the student after the story went national last week.

Sources in North Andover say that donations already given to Cox are being returned.

Erin Cox is being charged with being a minor in possession of alcohol and is being arraigned at Lawrence District court today at 9AM.

Earlier this month, school officials in North Andover cleared Erin Cox of having been drinking at the underage party, however, the rules for college athletes  governed by the Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association (MIAA) rules were cited by High School Principal Scuzzarella when she suspended Cox from the Volleyball team for five games and stripped away her captaincy for being present at the party.

Superintendent Hutchinson said that there is no "zero tolerance policy" and that Erin's suspension was the full discretion of High School Principal Scuzzarella.

"Social media posts by other minors at the party were very reveling," a North Andover Police Officer told the Valley Patriot Monday, asking that his name not be used.

"What the media reported was the details of the student and her family and their attorney, and they just ran with it as if her version was fact. We now know that' her version is in dispute, and there is a lot of evidence to show she was at that party a lot longer than she claimed and her family is telling people on social media that they are no longer accepting donations."

Last week Superintendent Hutchinson told North Andover Patch: "Although we have been asked by several media outlets to respond to the allegations made against North Andover High School, our practice is to not comment on matters involving student discipline," This approach is consistent with state and federal laws that prohibit the disclosure of confidential student record information."
 
2013-10-22 12:42:44 PM
Eh, it could just be the police and district going into CYA mode.  In such situations don't they charge everyone there with possession of alcohol regardless if they were actually drinking or physically holding an alcoholic beverage?

Her story is that her friend called her, she showed up to pick her up, and then the police showed up and she got busted with the rest of the kids at the party.  The police report says that she wasn't drunk and didn't smell like she'd been drinking.  So, the only possible sticking point may be how long she'd been there before the police showed up.
 
2013-10-22 12:45:30 PM
I don't understand what's going on here.
 
2013-10-22 12:46:29 PM
"Social media posts by other minors at the party were very reveling," a North Andover Police Officer told the Valley Patriot Monday, asking that his name not be used.

I bet they were...
 
2013-10-22 12:47:22 PM

exick: I don't understand what's going on here.


Teenagers lie (either her or her classmates), Film at 11.
 
2013-10-22 12:48:04 PM

exick: I don't understand what's going on here.


She was at a party where there was underage drinking, not just coming to pick up her friend.

The whole "zero-tolerance" claim was BS. It's a good one though. It caused a shiat-load of Farkers to climb on their "zero-tolerance is stupid!!!" soap box.

The media reported a BS story and that's all people will remember...
 
2013-10-22 12:48:15 PM
My guess is, she was there to find something to eat... probably thinking outside the box, as it were.
 
2013-10-22 12:49:25 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Eh, it could just be the police and district going into CYA mode.  In such situations don't they charge everyone there with possession of alcohol regardless if they were actually drinking or physically holding an alcoholic beverage?

Her story is that her friend called her, she showed up to pick her up, and then the police showed up and she got busted with the rest of the kids at the party.  The police report says that she wasn't drunk and didn't smell like she'd been drinking.  So, the only possible sticking point may be how long she'd been there before the police showed up.


I doubt it. The fact that the parents are returning donations and telling people not to send anymore is pretty clear. The girl lied to her parents, who went apeshiat and got a lawyer, and by then she was in too deep to change her story. Rather than it being a personal, private matter (as I recall her friend went to another high school, so it minimized her lie being found out), it exploded onto the national news and suddenly she was in deep shiat. Yea, it could be a point with the kids at the party trying to take her down with them, but I have a feeling that their story is accurate. Maybe she didn't drink, but if she shouldn't have been there at all, then that is another major point of her defense.

She claimed she was suspended unfairly because all that she did was drive a drunk friend home. If she was actually partying for a bit, then yea, that changes things a bit.
 
2013-10-22 12:50:25 PM

mediablitz: The whole "zero-tolerance" claim was BS. It's a good one though. It caused a shiat-load of Farkers to climb on their "zero-tolerance is stupid!!!" soap box.


Zero tolerance is stupid and...

jayhawk88: Teenagers lie (either her or her classmates), Film at 11.


Done.
 
2013-10-22 12:51:03 PM
"Error establishing a database connection"

And another web site falls to the power of FARK!
 
2013-10-22 12:51:28 PM
I remember in the original thread, several folks thought her story reeked of "kid lying to get out of trouble"... but because of the way schools seem to go full potato, a bunch of folks leapt to her defense.

Also, my first green! :)
 
2013-10-22 12:51:39 PM
I believe I was the first Farker to call this in the original.  Do I get a cookie?
 
2013-10-22 12:51:59 PM

jayhawk88: exick: I don't understand what's going on here.

Teenagers lie (either her or her classmates) or maybe cops lie, Film at 11.


FTFY
 
2013-10-22 12:52:20 PM

exick: I don't understand what's going on here.


Poor parenting.

/moderate drinking is best learnt at home
//could and did call my Mom for a ride any time of night, even 4:45am... no recriminations and nobody died
 
2013-10-22 12:52:31 PM
I feel sorry for the kid because her parents are assholes who hired a stunt attorney to make a huge stink in court about an insignificant incident.
 
2013-10-22 12:53:04 PM

jayhawk88: exick: I don't understand what's going on here.

Teenagers lie (either her or her classmates), Film at 11.


mediablitz: exick: I don't understand what's going on here.

She was at a party where there was underage drinking, not just coming to pick up her friend.


I guess I'm saying I don't understand why this is a story or why this girl in particular seems to be the focus of it. There was a party where a bunch of kids got busted for drinking. Seems like non-news to me, even if it took place in a small town. Is this girl the mayor's daughter or something?
 
2013-10-22 12:56:16 PM

exick: jayhawk88: exick: I don't understand what's going on here.

Teenagers lie (either her or her classmates), Film at 11.

mediablitz: exick: I don't understand what's going on here.

She was at a party where there was underage drinking, not just coming to pick up her friend.

I guess I'm saying I don't understand why this is a story or why this girl in particular seems to be the focus of it. There was a party where a bunch of kids got busted for drinking. Seems like non-news to me, even if it took place in a small town. Is this girl the mayor's daughter or something?


It was a small story that somehow went viral. No idea how it blew up. Pretty sure the girl in question wishes it hadn't.
 
2013-10-22 12:56:25 PM
And yet the email from the responding officer still says she acted stone-cold sober at the time he talked to her.  I don't know how long she was there, but it's pretty safe to say she was not drinking.
 
2013-10-22 12:58:52 PM

exick: jayhawk88: exick: I don't understand what's going on here.

Teenagers lie (either her or her classmates), Film at 11.

mediablitz: exick: I don't understand what's going on here.

She was at a party where there was underage drinking, not just coming to pick up her friend.

I guess I'm saying I don't understand why this is a story or why this girl in particular seems to be the focus of it. There was a party where a bunch of kids got busted for drinking. Seems like non-news to me, even if it took place in a small town. Is this girl the mayor's daughter or something?


Because the school suspended her from some games and took some other actions against her.   It was a general resentment towards zero-tolerance policies.

Even if she had been there for a little bit before the police show up, it's still stupid that they're charging her with anything.  Just because alcohol was present doesn't mean the kids who weren't drinking should be punished.
 
2013-10-22 12:59:07 PM
Lesson here is. Choose drinking or sports. Luckily I never had to make that choice.
 
2013-10-22 01:00:35 PM
exick:

I guess I'm saying I don't understand why this is a story or why this girl in particular seems to be the focus of it. There was a party where a bunch of kids got busted for drinking. Seems like non-news to me, even if it took place in a small town. Is this girl the mayor's daughter or something?

The crux of the matter is that the girl claimed to have just gotten there after she got a call from a drunk friend in order to take the drunk friend home (instead of presumably driving or something) and that because she was simply there at the time when the party got raided, that she was unjustly suspended by her school. Her story was that she wasn't at the party, she was just coming by to pick up the friend.

Except, it appears that she WAS at the party.

Assume for the sake of argument that her school takes a dim view of unaccompanied minors at parties with alcohol present. THAT is what they were punishing her for. Her story was that she just got there to pick up the friend (who doens't even go to the same school), and that she just got caught up in the police raid. It would seem unfair to punish her if that were the truth. But apparently it wasn't.

She didn't havef to be drinking. She just had to be PRESENT.

Showing up to pick up a friend isn't really present (or would be a reasonable jury question). Being there for two hours and showing up in a bunch of other kids Facebook photos would sort of blow a hole in that defense.

/is a lawyer
//but not a very good one. :)
 
2013-10-22 01:03:10 PM
Dumbass teenager lied, now profited from it from all the internet trolls who want to fark her.......

Whats new?
 
2013-10-22 01:04:09 PM
Well duh, these millennial have no shame or personal responsibility, I pretty much thought this was going to come out early on.
Points for trying though.

bigger point I apparently missed from the original article:

High School Principal Scuzzarella.

/AWESOME!
 
2013-10-22 01:04:30 PM

exick: jayhawk88: exick: I don't understand what's going on here.

Teenagers lie (either her or her classmates), Film at 11.

mediablitz: exick: I don't understand what's going on here.

She was at a party where there was underage drinking, not just coming to pick up her friend.

I guess I'm saying I don't understand why this is a story or why this girl in particular seems to be the focus of it. There was a party where a bunch of kids got busted for drinking. Seems like non-news to me, even if it took place in a small town. Is this girl the mayor's daughter or something?


She's a pretty white girl, who lost her place on the team.  Which looks unjust if she was telling the truth.
 
2013-10-22 01:05:03 PM

mediablitz: exick: jayhawk88: exick: I don't understand what's going on here.

Teenagers lie (either her or her classmates), Film at 11.

mediablitz: exick: I don't understand what's going on here.

She was at a party where there was underage drinking, not just coming to pick up her friend.

I guess I'm saying I don't understand why this is a story or why this girl in particular seems to be the focus of it. There was a party where a bunch of kids got busted for drinking. Seems like non-news to me, even if it took place in a small town. Is this girl the mayor's daughter or something?

It was a small story that somehow went viral. No idea how it blew up. Pretty sure the girl in question wishes it hadn't.


It was the whole "Teenager plays against type, tries to do the right thing, gets railroaded anyway" angle that got everyone up in arms.  I don't know all the facts of the case any more than anyone else, but that was what got posted to all the sites I saw.
 
2013-10-22 01:05:05 PM

exick: I guess I'm saying I don't understand why this is a story or why this girl in particular seems to be the focus of it. There was a party where a bunch of kids got busted for drinking. Seems like non-news to me, even if it took place in a small town. Is this girl the mayor's daughter or something?


Her family went to the local news, so story made it to Facebook and people feeling bad for her and how she got screwed by zero tolerance made it go viral.  And here we are.
 
2013-10-22 01:06:33 PM
Probably a good object lesson about how the last place to find the truth is from the news.
 
2013-10-22 01:06:45 PM

Goodluckfox: I remember in the original thread, several folks thought her story reeked of "kid lying to get out of trouble"... but because of the way schools seem to go full potato, a bunch of folks leapt to her defense.

Also, my first green! :)


I live one town over. I remember saying to my wife, "I can't wait for the other side of the story to come out. Should be pretty interesting."
 
2013-10-22 01:09:08 PM
Teen age girl lying, gaining the backing of internet white knights... color me shocked.

Teen girls are liars and attention whores.
 
2013-10-22 01:09:17 PM

mediablitz: exick: I don't understand what's going on here.

She was at a party where there was underage drinking, not just coming to pick up her friend.

The whole "zero-tolerance" claim was BS. It's a good one though. It caused a shiat-load of Farkers to climb on their "zero-tolerance is stupid!!!" soap box.

The media reported a BS story and that's all people will remember...


Zero tolerance IS stupid... it just doesn't apply here.
 
2013-10-22 01:09:51 PM
Teenage girl lies about drinking and partying?  Frankly, I am shocked.  SHOCKED.
 
2013-10-22 01:10:07 PM

FlameDuck: Lesson here is. Choose drinking or sports. Luckily I never had to make that choice.


Or be really good at the sport so you get special privledges.
 
2013-10-22 01:10:34 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Eh, it could just be the police and district going into CYA mode.  In such situations don't they charge everyone there with possession of alcohol regardless if they were actually drinking or physically holding an alcoholic beverage?

Her story is that her friend called her, she showed up to pick her up, and then the police showed up and she got busted with the rest of the kids at the party.  The police report says that she wasn't drunk and didn't smell like she'd been drinking.  So, the only possible sticking point may be how long she'd been there before the police showed up.


^This^

So she was there longer. It's totally not possible that she couldn't find her friend, or she was an unreasonable drunk who didn't want to leave, right? Until I see pics of her drinking and partying up, I don't see how this is a big deal.
 
2013-10-22 01:11:11 PM
I wonder why this is the ONLY site reporting anything like this...
 
2013-10-22 01:11:44 PM

exick: I don't understand why this is a story


mediablitz: No idea how it blew up


The parents and their attorney (AKA frequent-guest-on-cable-news) publicized it.

Google '"Attorney Wendy Murphy" FOX'
About 45,700 results (0.41 seconds)

Google '"Attorney Wendy Murphy" CNN'
About 36,900 results (0.35 seconds)

Google '"Attorney Wendy Murphy" MSNBC'
About 12,200 results (0.34 seconds)
 
2013-10-22 01:16:01 PM

QueenMamaBee: mediablitz: exick: I don't understand what's going on here.

She was at a party where there was underage drinking, not just coming to pick up her friend.

The whole "zero-tolerance" claim was BS. It's a good one though. It caused a shiat-load of Farkers to climb on their "zero-tolerance is stupid!!!" soap box.

The media reported a BS story and that's all people will remember...

Zero tolerance IS stupid... it just doesn't apply here.


Exactly. But boy oh boy did people want to complain about it, even though it wasn't relevant to the story.

Tedious
 
2013-10-22 01:16:40 PM

jaytkay: The parents and their attorney (AKA frequent-guest-on-cable-news) publicized it.


Ah. Aw'ing attorney. Makes sense now...
 
2013-10-22 01:16:41 PM
Pride of Cucamonga

I wonder why this is the ONLY site reporting anything like this...

Because only inner city minority girls drink have sex in high school. Then they have babies, lots of babies to fleece the American welfare system. White, Christan girls don't have sex until a year after they are married because that is when god says it is ok.

/end scarcasm
 
2013-10-22 01:16:42 PM
Too bad for her that she doesn't have a Y chromosome and play football.
 
2013-10-22 01:16:47 PM
That sucks, Cox
 
2013-10-22 01:17:26 PM

mediablitz: She was at a party where there was underage drinking, not just coming to pick up her friend.

The whole "zero-tolerance" claim was BS. It's a good one though. It caused a shiat-load of Farkers to climb on their "zero-tolerance is stupid!!!" soap box.


Um, being around other people that are drinking is not in any way illegal, a policy that punishes you for being vaguely in the general vicinity of someone drinking alcohol when you're not consuming any yourself is, in fact, a zero-tolerance policy pretty much by definition.
 
2013-10-22 01:17:29 PM
I'm sure University of Wisconsin will welcome her with open mugs.
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-22 01:20:30 PM
Teenagers, most of them, are perfectly capable of partying and having a good time without drinking, etc. They're also capable of being at a party where other people are drinking, etc, without drinking, themselves. Like many people, I was a teenager for awhile, and I remember these things well enough.

That said, the school's (over-reaching) position is that just being present when minors are drinking is, itself, a crime, and they've said they don't care how long she was at the party -- she can't not be guilty of that if she admits she was there. Which is true, but stupid.

For one thing, I guarantee that kids have brought alcohol to school. Teachers, faculty, students -- everybody was present! Let them prove they weren't aware of it. I guarantee that any competent school administration knows that, at any given time when the school's open, a minor on campus has alcohol. So send everybody home forever.

Or be sensible about it.

I have no idea if this kid was drinking, or what, and frankly I don't care. The uproar over it is filled to brimming with the barking of idiot-dogs in need of slapping.
 
2013-10-22 01:23:25 PM

mediablitz: QueenMamaBee: mediablitz: exick: I don't understand what's going on here.

She was at a party where there was underage drinking, not just coming to pick up her friend.

The whole "zero-tolerance" claim was BS. It's a good one though. It caused a shiat-load of Farkers to climb on their "zero-tolerance is stupid!!!" soap box.

The media reported a BS story and that's all people will remember...

Zero tolerance IS stupid... it just doesn't apply here.

Exactly. But boy oh boy did people want to complain about it, even though it wasn't relevant to the story.

Tedious


It does still apply here.  There are a few possibilities here:

The girl's original story is true, some other people saw her at the party looking for her friend to drive home, and thought she was there partying

The girl's original story is true and a bunch of kids who got busted are trying to take her down to share the pain

The girl's original story is false, and she was at the party beforehand

What we do know from the police report however, is that she wasn't drinking.  There were likely other kids there as well who were busted that weren't drinking.  None of those kids should face repercussions through the law or their school.  If their parents wants to punish them for going to a party where alcohol was present, fine, but simply being somewhere where there is alcohol around but not drinking it yourself shouldn't get you into institutional trouble.
 
2013-10-22 01:24:01 PM
Ok, if she was at the party, and drinking, show me a pic.
 
2013-10-22 01:24:36 PM
I bet she also reads Twilight.
 
2013-10-22 01:25:20 PM
I missed the original story. Either way, it sounds like a lot of stupidity.

However, I will point out that I was straightedge in high school, yet I attended lots of punk clique parties (and most of my friends were heavy partiers) and played gigs in bars with my band. We non-drinkers CAN be around alcohol without drinking it.

I do drink on rare occasions as an adult. As a teen, I never touched alcohol at parties, and only rarely drank outside of them (a sip of champagne here, a glass of wine there). I'm in my 40s now and I've never been drunk. I've never even been tipsy. I like having control of my mind and actions.

It seems to me that the truth in this story is that the girl was there, but didn't get drunk. If she did drink it wasn't much (no smell of alcohol, according to cops). I can sympathize with her if she's being punished because her friends are all a bunch of drunken assholes and she was there trying to keep them out of trouble and maintain some order. I did plenty of rescuing people from their stupid, drunken actions in my teen years, I'm thinking she was doing the same.
 
2013-10-22 01:26:53 PM

Hiro-ACiD: exick: I don't understand what's going on here.

Poor parenting.

/moderate drinking is best learnt at home
//could and did call my Mom for a ride any time of night, even 4:45am... no recriminations and nobody died


That's how I was raised. My SO and I plan on raising our son that way, too.

I'd rather him home and alive with a hangover than sitting in jail after a DUI, vehicular homicide, etc; or sitting in the morgue.
 
2013-10-22 01:30:50 PM
First the girl from Ohio University, now this!  STOP LYING TO ME INTERNET!!!
 
2013-10-22 01:32:49 PM

Hiro-ACiD: /moderate drinking is best learnt at home


THIS.

My parents Did It Right with regards to me and alcohol growing up.

Around the time I was 12 or 13, my parents sat me down and had a little talk.

I was told that if I ever wanted alcohol, to just ask, and I could have some. . .as long as it was at home and with my parents.

If I wanted to have a beer and watch the ball game with Dad, I could do that if I wanted.

If I wanted to have a glass of wine with dinner with the family, I could do that, I just had to ask.

If I wanted to try a mixed drink or a shot of hard liquor sometime, if I asked my parents they would provide it.

They made it crystal clear that alcohol was not forbidden, they just didn't want me to have to sneak out and get drunk and then have to come home drunk (and drive home drunk or have a drunk friend drive me home).

In response, I tried various drinks.  Really didn't care for any of them at the time.  Alcohol was nothing special or "forbidden" and had very little appeal to me.
 
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