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(NPR)   You will be shocked to learn that the problems with healthcare.gov were caused by politicians, not programmers   (npr.org) divider line 20
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2013-10-22 10:57:03 AM  
7 votes:
I goddamn invented pong with an onion and 4 8-track tapes! I don't need to explain myself to you! Just know that I could have done everything better with just $4.60 and a case of warm Tab!
2013-10-22 12:20:46 PM  
6 votes:
i44.tinypic.com
2013-10-22 08:14:19 AM  
6 votes:
According to programmers interviewed for the story "the needful was failed to be done and requirements not clear site must actually work"
2013-10-22 11:32:56 AM  
2 votes:

make me some tea: James!: I goddamn invented pong with an onion and 4 8-track tapes! I don't need to explain myself to you! Just know that I could have done everything better with just $4.60 and a case of warm Tab!

I could've written a better website on my Apple ][!!!1


shiat, I wrote a multi-state fully functional healthcare website on my TI-82 during a study hall in the 7th grade.  It also played snake, I don't see Healthcare.gov playing snake.  Amateurs.
2013-10-22 10:57:43 AM  
2 votes:

Carn: Let's say you're head of our project. You're a badass, and you make your part of the system so bullet proof it's just amazing. People actually tear up when they run it through its paces during the first unit test. Well, I'm the lead over at InsureYoBumCo, and your system relies on our system being available (having available services and databases), work properly, have good data, work to spec, and be available on time. Well, our team just screws the pooch and we fulfill nothing. We limp out one lame service that isn't available half the time and if you manage to get data out of it it's garbled and your system gets bogged down trying to parse it and figure out how the hell to handle it. In essence, your system winds up failing miserably no matter how awesome it was in unit test. You look bad. Haha.

That's ONE third party system.


And that third party system is a mainframe so old it spits out cuneiform.
2013-10-22 09:31:29 AM  
2 votes:
b0rscht:  I heard Obama say something along the lines of, "Nobody is more pissed off than I am..."

www.usnews.com
"Challenge Accepted"
2013-10-22 09:26:21 AM  
2 votes:
Have they tried turning it off and back on again?
2013-10-22 12:25:56 PM  
1 votes:

dinomyar: When they said they were only expecting 50000 concurrent users, I knew it was doomed to failure. There would be at least three times that amount for the first few months, at least.


A large percent of the traffic was attributed to "tourists" who already have insurance but were just in there to see what is going on. They could have made the first option to proceed a dialogue box asking if you have insurance, if the user answered Yes they are disconnected from the internet until enrollment is over.
2013-10-22 10:54:47 AM  
1 votes:

Lt. Cheese Weasel: GTATL: Lt. Cheese Weasel: GTATL: Lt. Cheese Weasel: GTATL: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Voiceofreason01: Short version: they were working with much less money than they were supposed to have and had a smaller time frame to complete the project.

600 Million dollars wasn't enough?  Are you fargin' insane?

What are you basing this opinion on? How much do you think the website should have cost?. $600M is a lot of money, but have you ever worked on a large IT project? I have, and on private company ERP projects that have cost more than double that. Please let me know your judgement criteria.

I have worked in IT for 35 years. IN the private and government sectors.  For 600 Million Dollars, I could build an entire data center dedicated to a single host URL that would never go down, never get clogged, could survive a nuclear blast and actually work like it's supposed to. Face facts, it's a total disaster built by idiots who were hired by bigger idiots.

Which would do nothing if it couldn't talk to the third party database that it interfaces with. Good god, based on your response, please let me know what contractor I should avoid.

CGI would be a good start.

I was looking for the organization that someone like you(woefully unqualified) would be a part of, but i guess you're smart enough not to reveal that. I'm curious though, what sort of IT work were you doing in 1978? You still didn't answer how much you thought this project should cost.

I don't have to explain myself to you.  Where's your skins Einstein?  In 1978 I was programming PROM test beds for TI in FORTRAN. Who I work for now is none of your business. And I have no idea what it would cost.  I do know that for 600 Millions dollars, something more than a 404 is expected.  Have a nice day and enjoy your website.


I'm glad you admit your judgement on the cost based on absolutely nothing. I'm glad we could get to this point.
2013-10-22 10:48:56 AM  
1 votes:

Carn: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: His 35 years in IT means he's owned a computer for 35 years, and even fixed a networking problem by resetting his router once!

My mom once explained to my grandmother how when you visit a web page you're downloading the server to your monitor.  It was painful and entertaining at the same time.  This is when you've got three programmers in the room all biting their tongues (myself, my brother, and my dad).  Good times.


I hope she knows about the series of tubes it is all delivered in.
//RIP Ted Stevens
2013-10-22 10:46:59 AM  
1 votes:

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: His 35 years in IT means he's owned a computer for 35 years, and even fixed a networking problem by resetting his router once!


My mom once explained to my grandmother how when you visit a web page you're downloading the server to your monitor.  It was painful and entertaining at the same time.  This is when you've got three programmers in the room all biting their tongues (myself, my brother, and my dad).  Good times.
2013-10-22 10:46:33 AM  
1 votes:

GTATL: Lt. Cheese Weasel: GTATL: Lt. Cheese Weasel: GTATL: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Voiceofreason01: Short version: they were working with much less money than they were supposed to have and had a smaller time frame to complete the project.

600 Million dollars wasn't enough?  Are you fargin' insane?

What are you basing this opinion on? How much do you think the website should have cost?. $600M is a lot of money, but have you ever worked on a large IT project? I have, and on private company ERP projects that have cost more than double that. Please let me know your judgement criteria.

I have worked in IT for 35 years. IN the private and government sectors.  For 600 Million Dollars, I could build an entire data center dedicated to a single host URL that would never go down, never get clogged, could survive a nuclear blast and actually work like it's supposed to. Face facts, it's a total disaster built by idiots who were hired by bigger idiots.

Which would do nothing if it couldn't talk to the third party database that it interfaces with. Good god, based on your response, please let me know what contractor I should avoid.

CGI would be a good start.

I was looking for the organization that someone like you(woefully unqualified) would be a part of, but i guess you're smart enough not to reveal that. I'm curious though, what sort of IT work were you doing in 1978? You still didn't answer how much you thought this project should cost.


I don't have to explain myself to you.  Where's your skins Einstein?  In 1978 I was programming PROM test beds for TI in FORTRAN. Who I work for now is none of your business. And I have no idea what it would cost.  I do know that for 600 Millions dollars, something more than a 404 is expected.  Have a nice day and enjoy your website.
2013-10-22 10:32:53 AM  
1 votes:

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: GTATL: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Voiceofreason01: Short version: they were working with much less money than they were supposed to have and had a smaller time frame to complete the project.

600 Million dollars wasn't enough?  Are you fargin' insane?

What are you basing this opinion on? How much do you think the website should have cost?. $600M is a lot of money, but have you ever worked on a large IT project? I have, and on private company ERP projects that have cost more than double that. Please let me know your judgement criteria.

I have worked in IT for 35 years. IN the private and government sectors.  For 600 Million Dollars, I could build an entire data center dedicated to a single host URL that would never go down, never get clogged, could survive a nuclear blast and actually work like it's supposed to. Face facts, it's a total disaster built by idiots who were hired by bigger idiots.

No you couldn't because you don't have the data.  As GTATL is saying, the problem lies in integrating with all these other systems.

Well, I can hardly wait for Obama to come out and say that over half a billion dollars wasn't enough money for this clusterf*ck and he'll be needing some more because of 'the data'.  Good luck.


Because of systems integration.  System A talks to many system Bs which all in turn talk to many system Cs.  There are dozens, maybe hundreds of points of failure at each point.  The system is massively complex and it deals with the most sensitive kind of data.  If you've ever worked with HIPAA, you know what a pain in the ass those types of projects are.  You can't just say "Hey can I get a copy of your db and service so we can test on our own?"  No you most certainly cannot because that's illegal.  You are completely stuck relying on third parties to make their services and data available to you, to be reliable, to not have bad data, and to be ready well beforehand for testing.  Often, they fulfill none of these.  Multiply that many times and this is the level of complexity here.  Oh, and most of the parties for which the system works were actively interested in the system failing.  I'm sure they really did their best to have everything ready for the federal site, really.

If you've worked 35 years in IT, you should know all this.
2013-10-22 10:31:25 AM  
1 votes:

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: GTATL: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Voiceofreason01: Short version: they were working with much less money than they were supposed to have and had a smaller time frame to complete the project.

600 Million dollars wasn't enough?  Are you fargin' insane?

What are you basing this opinion on? How much do you think the website should have cost?. $600M is a lot of money, but have you ever worked on a large IT project? I have, and on private company ERP projects that have cost more than double that. Please let me know your judgement criteria.

I have worked in IT for 35 years. IN the private and government sectors.  For 600 Million Dollars, I could build an entire data center dedicated to a single host URL that would never go down, never get clogged, could survive a nuclear blast and actually work like it's supposed to. Face facts, it's a total disaster built by idiots who were hired by bigger idiots.

No you couldn't because you don't have the data.  As GTATL is saying, the problem lies in integrating with all these other systems.

Well, I can hardly wait for Obama to come out and say that over half a billion dollars wasn't enough money for this clusterf*ck and he'll be needing some more because of 'the data'.  Good luck.


I really hope you don't work in IT. You have no idea what you're talking about. Could you please describe the differences between unit, string, integration, and regression tests? I'd love to know your opinions.
2013-10-22 09:58:55 AM  
1 votes:

JusticeandIndependence: badhatharry: ocd002: It's only red states that are having issues with people signing up. All the blue states did their websites already. No complaints here in Illinois about it. My friends needing insurance have had no problems and are really happy with the options given to them.

New York's works just fine. Still no customers.

Zero customers?


That's right. The numbers are out, and so far not a single person has bought the Obamacare plan. It's a total failure.
2013-10-22 09:19:09 AM  
1 votes:

ocd002: It's only red states that are having issues with people signing up. All the blue states did their websites already. No complaints here in Illinois about it. My friends needing insurance have had no problems and are really happy with the options given to them.



Oh, well, good.  Your friends' anecdotal experience is just as good as an economic analysis.

Who needs numbers and all that thinky stuff anyhow?
2013-10-22 09:18:07 AM  
1 votes:
The government screwed something up? Unpossible.
2013-10-22 09:11:57 AM  
1 votes:
Wait, wait. You're telling me Republicans deliberately sabotaged the implementation of a key portion of the ACA? That's just crazy talk.
2013-10-22 08:48:52 AM  
1 votes:
images.sodahead.com
2013-10-22 08:45:43 AM  
1 votes:
We obviously need a takeover of all the states, by the Feds.

Apply the standard of unlimited debt,  and voila....Obamacare for all.

There is nothing that new taxes can't solve.
 
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