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(Mother Jones)   Remember the good ole days when big tobacco sold asbestos as the "greatest health protection"? *cough...BS* Well 60 years ago when Lorillard Tobacco introduced Kent cigarettes it was all the rage but today they're still settling lawsuits   (motherjones.com) divider line 32
    More: Interesting, Lorillard, Lorillard Tobacco Co., big tobacco, consumer protection, asbestos, Philip Morris, mesothelioma, Stephen Dorff  
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2013-10-22 08:30:50 AM
And the money is funneled everywhere else but to help smokers.
 
2013-10-22 08:58:34 AM
Fark smokers.
 
2013-10-22 08:59:08 AM
Asbestos is an amazing fire retardant, so it did actually save many, many lives in the short term.

It's just that, you know, mesothelioma thing that's the problem, long term.
 
2013-10-22 09:04:49 AM
A perfect puff, first time, every time

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2013-10-22 09:05:49 AM

OregonVet: And the money is funneled everywhere else but to help smokers.


How exactly is the money these people win in lawsuits or receive in settlement going to by "funneled" anywhere?  What they choose to do with it would seem to be their business alone.
 
2013-10-22 09:07:23 AM
Are any of those cigarettes still available? I'd like to buy a pack for my mother in law.
 
2013-10-22 09:11:03 AM
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2013-10-22 09:12:46 AM

Pr1nc3ss: Are any of those cigarettes still available? I'd like to buy a pack for my mother in law.


I like the cut of your jib, sailor..ette?
 
2013-10-22 09:19:40 AM
You know, every time I read old tobacco company memos like the ones quoted in TFA, I see the connection between those guys and modern conservatives: they know what they're doing is bad, wrong and harmful to others, but they keep doing it no matter the cost as it's making them money.  And like modern conservatives, many of the tobacco execs bought into their own hype and convinced themselves that cigarettes were "safe".
 
2013-10-22 09:23:23 AM
Even childrens' cartoons used to advertise cigarettes back in the day.

http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=NAExoSozc2c
 
2013-10-22 09:24:49 AM
Man, back in the day, the used a LOT of crazy shiat because of "Health Benefits". I know this is from before the asbestos cigarettes, but does anyone remember these little gems?

www.dvorak.org
 
2013-10-22 09:36:16 AM

Dwight_Yeast: You know, every time I read old tobacco company memos like the ones quoted in TFA, I see the connection between those guys and modern conservatives: they know what they're doing is bad, wrong and harmful to others, but they keep doing it no matter the cost as it's making them money.  And like modern conservatives, many of the tobacco execs bought into their own hype and convinced themselves that cigarettes were "safe".


The tobacco industry, which makes and markets a product that kills its users when used as directed, the media which carried the ads and those politicians which allowed the tobacco co lobbyists to influence with their dirty, filthy money and the dumb-ass justice system that allowed themselves to be hoodwinked for so long by the legal maneuvering proves the whole thing about human 'conscience' and guilt are totally overrated.

I suppose the conscience of "the 1%" only extends to their fellow suit-wearing scum.  They only 'feel guilty' when their actions cause the values of stock held by their contemporaries to lose value, yet they feel no guilt about marketing a product that winds up significantly shortening the life of their customers.
 
2013-10-22 09:37:31 AM
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2013-10-22 09:38:31 AM

Sybarite: How exactly is the money these people win in lawsuits or receive in settlement going to by "funneled" anywhere? What they choose to do with it would seem to be their business alone.


It is funneled to legal firms, not the actual plaintiffs.  And the knock against the fines the tobacco companies paid to governments for smoking prevention/cessation programs is that they were used for unrelated programs that have nothing to do with helping those affected.

I don't know whether that is true in general, though.

whosits_112: Man, back in the day, the used a LOT of crazy shiat because of "Health Benefits". I know this is from before the asbestos cigarettes, but does anyone remember these little gems?


Alpha radiation is effectively shielded by your epidermis.  Fortunately, the designers of that built in a defeat of that pesky defense by having you put it INSIDE your body.  Mmmm... ionizing deep dose to every organ and tissue in the body, and I get to shove something up my butt!  I feel younger already!
 
2013-10-22 09:39:36 AM
Back in the mid-1970s, when I was but a lad sneaking off to smoke cigs with my buds, Kent was "my" brand. I thought it sounded classy. (Yes, when I was 12, I was concerned with maintaining a classy image.)
 
2013-10-22 09:40:24 AM
Something's gotta kill you...
 
2013-10-22 09:42:13 AM

factoryconnection: Asbestos is an amazing fire retardant, so it did actually save many, many lives in the short term.

It's just that, you know, mesothelioma thing that's the problem, long term.


I don't think they were using asbestos in their filters for its flame-retardant characteristics (there's plenty of documentation that they didn't/don't care that cigarettes lead to fire-related deaths) but rather because it was the new "miracle" material and being used in EVERYTHING in the 1950s
 
2013-10-22 09:43:58 AM

Sybarite: OregonVet: And the money is funneled everywhere else but to help smokers.

How exactly is the money these people win in lawsuits or receive in settlement going to by "funneled" anywhere?  What they choose to do with it would seem to be their business alone.


He might be talking about the $206B settlement the tobacco companies are paying to the government in exchange for tort protection. Of course, because this would raise the cost of smokes the companies receive payments from a trust fund - paid for by the settlement?
 
2013-10-22 09:46:22 AM

Dwight_Yeast: I don't think they were using asbestos in their filters for its flame-retardant characteristics (there's plenty of documentation that they didn't/don't care that cigarettes lead to fire-related deaths) but rather because it was the new "miracle" material and being used in EVERYTHING in the 1950s


Sorry, I didn't mean it's use in cigs saved lives.  Poor wording on my part.
 
2013-10-22 09:47:20 AM
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2013-10-22 09:55:13 AM

Dwight_Yeast: You know, every time I read old tobacco company memos like the ones quoted in TFA, I see the connection between those guys and modern conservatives liberals: they know what they're doing is bad, wrong and harmful to others, but they keep doing it no matter the cost as it's making them money.


FTFY
 
2013-10-22 09:58:27 AM

brobdiggy: Even childrens' cartoons used to advertise cigarettes back in the day.

http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=NAExoSozc2c


Well when the Flintstones first aired it wasn't for kids. It was a prime time show for adults (like most early cartoons)
 
2013-10-22 10:05:45 AM
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2013-10-22 10:06:03 AM

WelldeadLink: Dwight_Yeast: You know, every time I read old tobacco company memos like the ones quoted in TFA, I see the connection between those guys and modern conservatives neo-liberals: they know what they're doing is bad, wrong and harmful to others, but they keep doing it no matter the cost as it's making them money.

FTFY



Fixed that poor bit of spelling
 
2013-10-22 10:10:02 AM
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2013-10-22 11:05:16 AM

Dwight_Yeast: You know, every time I read old tobacco company memos like the ones quoted in TFA, I see the connection between those guys and modern conservatives: they know what they're doing is bad, wrong and harmful to others, but they keep doing it no matter the cost as it's making them money.  And like modern conservatives, many of the tobacco execs bought into their own hype and convinced themselves that cigarettes were "safe".


Not enough liberal circle jerking this early in the politics tab?
 
2013-10-22 11:15:05 AM

factoryconnection: Sybarite: How exactly is the money these people win in lawsuits or receive in settlement going to by "funneled" anywhere? What they choose to do with it would seem to be their business alone.

It is funneled to legal firms, not the actual plaintiffs.  And the knock against the fines the tobacco companies paid to governments for smoking prevention/cessation programs is that they were used for unrelated programs that have nothing to do with helping those affected.



The portion of the settlement going to the firms representing these individuals is made clear to them up front. That's not funneling, that's the fee. I'm pretty sure most of the law firms would take a nice fat win or lose fee if the people involved had the funds and the desire to do so. Fact is a lot of these people are getting representation for zero costs up front. Sure the lawyers typically take around half the settlement, but they're the ones doing all the work and taking all of the financial risk. This sort of arrangement is the only way most common people would ever have a chance against the army of lawyers powerful corporations have at their disposal. As to the second part, these lawsuits have absolutely nothing to do the settlement money paid to the states, as would be obvious to anyone who took even a cursory glance at TFA. I know, I know, expecting people to actually peruse the subject matter before starting in with the knee-jerk biatching is probably asking too much.
 
2013-10-22 12:36:17 PM
 
2013-10-22 01:43:40 PM
Takes three men and a boy
 
2013-10-22 02:39:00 PM
The thing about asbestos is that it is much worse for you if you are a smoker. Even more so if they put it directly in cigarette filters. This has been known for quite a while. Both the cigarette companies and the asbestos companies knew this, but covered it up so they would not be held liable. Now that delay is costing them millions and the payments to their congresscritters are not keeping the lawsuits off their back.  Both those industries have spent a lot of money trying to make people believe these lawsuits are overblown. If anything we do not know just how bad it even is yet. (The asbestos companies used to give their tailings to school playgrounds to use as ground cover.)
 
2013-10-22 03:05:54 PM
I demand more asbestos!!!
 
2013-10-22 05:57:41 PM
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