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(Gawker)   China is afflicted with slowing economic growth, widespread poverty, and toxic air. And high prices at Starbucks. Guess which problem they are focusing on   (gawker.com) divider line 32
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2013-10-22 08:06:09 AM
"Widespread poverty"?  By which standard exactly?  'Cause if you go back ten, twenty, thirty years, I'm pretty sure the poverty was a hell of a lot worse.
 
2013-10-22 08:06:48 AM
They are trying really hard to have those "first world" problems right?

Clicks link...

Damn I hate when I'm right...
 
2013-10-22 08:06:56 AM
Just heard the story on NPR. The Chicoms need to lower their import taxes on coffee beans. Starbucks isn't going to lower its prices, probably even if the tarrif's are lowered since the price is already set.
 
2013-10-22 08:07:10 AM
Everyone knows high prices at Starbucks are the cause of widespread poverty.
 
2013-10-22 08:08:05 AM
"Couples who want more than one child" and "People who want to freely criticise the government" have been solved I take it, subs?
 
2013-10-22 08:12:00 AM

FLMountainMan: "Widespread poverty"?  By which standard exactly?  'Cause if you go back ten, twenty, thirty years, I'm pretty sure the poverty was a hell of a lot worse.


That does not in any way mean that poverty is not still widespread.
 
2013-10-22 08:17:53 AM

sephjnr


"Couples who want more than one child" and "People who want to freely criticise the government" have been solved I take it, subs?


Did you really expect a complete list of major societal problems in China to be crammed into a single Fark headline? Because that would be a pretty dumb thing to expect.


Grating Expectations
 
2013-10-22 08:19:43 AM

sephjnr: "Couples who want more than one child" and "People who want to freely criticise the government" have been solved I take it, subs?


Or 50 other things you couldn't cram into one headline?
 
2013-10-22 08:20:51 AM
Damn you Slaptyback.
 
2013-10-22 08:21:39 AM
1) make trendy American company look bad
2) heavily subsidize state owned competitor / knockoff
3) profit!

We'll all be drinking "galaxy bux" coffee in ten years.
 
2013-10-22 08:25:14 AM
Heh, I hope that Farker shows up who thinks the whole "toxic air in China" thing is made up by the U.S. media to make China look bad.

He's a hoot, and the mom-torturing-her-kid thread leaves me in need of a lift, despite all the puppies...
 
2013-10-22 08:41:06 AM
A story about the Chinese government, Starbucks, and a link to gawker.com.

This is how black holes are started dammit.
 
2013-10-22 08:44:16 AM
Higher prices means it tastes better.
 
2013-10-22 08:45:22 AM
Trendy Capitalism, how werk it?
 
2013-10-22 08:46:14 AM
I get it.  Starbucks could potentially funnel money back to the United States.  China doesn't want that.
 
2013-10-22 08:56:53 AM
In 20 years China will be farked.   The aging population of males that will never be married but have disposable income will lead to a lot of unrest as they go unfulfilled in their lives as far as procreation goes, this combined with the fact that China is underbidding everyone is destroying their long term markets and their outright patent theft makes them look more and more unattractive every day.  Also, their lack of potable water and clean air will lead to a MASSIVE rise in cancer and genetic mutations.  Their healthcare situation is going to be one of the worst the world has ever seen.
 
2013-10-22 09:00:57 AM
Pay no attention to the toxic smog behind the curtain.
 
2013-10-22 09:02:57 AM

PunGent: Heh, I hope that Farker shows up who thinks the whole "toxic air in China" thing is made up by the U.S. media to make China look bad.

He's a hoot, and the mom-torturing-her-kid thread leaves me in need of a lift, despite all the puppies...


I traced his IP, he's coming off a TOR network originating in Hong Kong.
 
2013-10-22 09:05:23 AM
Gawker article: The Chinese government is definitely ready to address at least one of these issues.

WSJ article (quoted two lines below): China Central Television, in a 20-minute broadcast called "Starbucks: Expensive in China"

Meanwhile, Gawker is ready to focus on real journalism.
 
2013-10-22 09:12:26 AM

madpiper: Just heard the story on NPR. The Chicoms need to lower their import taxes on coffee beans. Starbucks isn't going to lower its prices, probably even if the tarrif's are lowered since the price is already set.


Huh, I always thought it was the price of milk.
 
2013-10-22 09:23:03 AM

madpiper: Just heard the story on NPR. The Chicoms need to lower their import taxes on coffee beans. Starbucks isn't going to lower its prices, probably even if the tarrif's are lowered since the price is already set.


If it doesn't it provides an opening for competing shops to beat their prices by a potentially wide margin that even their name brand can't counterbalance.

I'm not saying that the coffee shops won't make a killing turning the tariffs into profits for a while, but I'm willing to bet that prices will drop within a year.

On the other hand, how little they drop might surprise people.  The beans are a marginal expense for a 'premium' coffee drink place like starbucks.
 
2013-10-22 09:36:55 AM

Girion47:  Also, their lack of potable water and clean air will lead to a MASSIVE rise in cancer and genetic mutations.


LOL.  Ohmygherd!  How will they ever survive?  I mean somehow the United States survived the same amount of pollution on its way to becoming the world's first superpower, but China's completely different!
 
2013-10-22 09:39:42 AM

Kuroshin: FLMountainMan: "Widespread poverty"?  By which standard exactly?  'Cause if you go back ten, twenty, thirty years, I'm pretty sure the poverty was a hell of a lot worse.

That does not in any way mean that poverty is not still widespread.


Good point, but China's made a good deal of progress in that area the last few decades.

PunGent: Heh, I hope that Farker shows up who thinks the whole "toxic air in China" thing is made up by the U.S. media to make China look bad.


What a loon.  Everyone knows that God put the toxic air there to punish them for atheism.
 
2013-10-22 09:53:18 AM
Come on, Starbucks.. The Chinese need their coffee too, but then again this is a Gawker article, so it is not really worth reading. Focus on the real shiat guys!!
 
2013-10-22 10:04:54 AM

sephjnr: "Couples who want more than one child" and "People who want to freely criticise the government" have been solved I take it, subs?


Yes. You are free to have more then one child, that whole one child thing was lifted a few years ago. The government really hopes you choose girls.

You are also free to criticize the Chinese government as long as you don't embarrass the Chinese government. Those government Chinks are really sensitive about calling them filthy smelly pollution spewing capitalist pig-dogs.
 
2013-10-22 11:46:17 AM

FLMountainMan: Girion47:  Also, their lack of potable water and clean air will lead to a MASSIVE rise in cancer and genetic mutations.

LOL.  Ohmygherd!  How will they ever survive?  I mean somehow the United States survived the same amount of pollution on its way to becoming the world's first superpower, but China's completely different!


Even L.A. at its worst is nothing compared to what it's like in Beijing or Shanghai. I have been there on good days, and I was in Beijing before the Olympics, when there was an enormous effort to get things clean. A good day in Shanghai, you can see 8-10 stories up.
 
2013-10-22 12:22:57 PM
Life in China is farking great right now, FYI.  Its basically America in the 1950/60s.  Boomtown all over the place, people able to do 2 hours worth of work and make 2 weeks worth of pay on the global market.

Its raining money there.  Seriously.
 
2013-10-22 12:59:11 PM
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Can some farker in China pls confirmed if this is shopped or real ?
 
2013-10-22 01:00:59 PM

FLMountainMan: Girion47:  Also, their lack of potable water and clean air will lead to a MASSIVE rise in cancer and genetic mutations.

LOL.  Ohmygherd!  How will they ever survive?  I mean somehow the United States survived the same amount of pollution on its way to becoming the world's first superpower, but China's completely different!


Same amount of pollution? What the fark are you talking about?
 
2013-10-22 02:24:41 PM

Nayest: FLMountainMan: Girion47:  Also, their lack of potable water and clean air will lead to a MASSIVE rise in cancer and genetic mutations.

LOL.  Ohmygherd!  How will they ever survive?  I mean somehow the United States survived the same amount of pollution on its way to becoming the world's first superpower, but China's completely different!

Same amount of pollution? What the fark are you talking about?


To be fair, some of the photos of Britain and the U.S. at the heights of our respective industrial booms showed some serious smog.  Worse in Britain, I'd imagine; they were fueled/fueling an Empire from a small island; we had a bit more room to spread our factories out.
 
2013-10-22 03:18:23 PM

Nayest: FLMountainMan: Girion47:  Also, their lack of potable water and clean air will lead to a MASSIVE rise in cancer and genetic mutations.

LOL.  Ohmygherd!  How will they ever survive?  I mean somehow the United States survived the same amount of pollution on its way to becoming the world's first superpower, but China's completely different!

Same amount of pollution? What the fark are you talking about?


The relative quantities at the height of the industrial revolution are very similar.  I would admit, though, that there is probably greater toxicity in what China is emitting.  Judging from contemporary accounts of London during the peak of the pollution, visibility there was even worse than China.
 
2013-10-22 04:21:12 PM

FLMountainMan: Girion47:  Also, their lack of potable water and clean air will lead to a MASSIVE rise in cancer and genetic mutations.

LOL.  Ohmygherd!  How will they ever survive?  I mean somehow the United States survived the same amount of pollution on its way to becoming the world's first superpower, but China's completely different!


1.  The pollution isn't the same.  The chemicals being used now are far different and the side effects unknown, in a country lax on their laws, finding a safer alternative isn't neccesary, finding the cheaper alternative is.  This leads to a lot of heavy metals and other VOC's being used that we didn't even know about during our industrial revolution.
2.  The population difference between 1950's United States (150 Million) vs China today (1.35 Billion) is massive.  Sure we had some lax pollution laws, but we weren't affecting even a tenth of what China is.
 
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