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2013-10-21 03:57:46 PM
Hey, post Halloween episodes worked for The Simpsons for a number of years
 
2013-10-21 04:03:50 PM
what is this NBC that you speak of?
 
2013-10-21 04:10:19 PM
Here's a hint NBC - cancel Sean Saves the World - it's farking awful.  Put the Michael J Fox show on hold and use it as a mid-season replacement later on, it's not awful, but it's not good.

Your two best shows right now are Parks and Rec and Community, you should have them on.
 
2013-10-21 04:20:02 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Here's a hint NBC - cancel Sean Saves the World - it's farking awful.  Put the Michael J Fox show on hold and use it as a mid-season replacement later on, it's not awful, but it's not good.

Your two best shows right now are Parks and Rec and Community, you should have them on.


They should cancel the lot of them, because actors cost money.  Do the MTV plan:  24/7 reality shows.  Save big bucks.

/it's why I'm half-expecting Agents of SHIELD to be canceled and replaced by "I Was A Teenage Slut 5"
//sounds like a porno, but without all the fun parts
 
2013-10-21 04:23:48 PM

xanadian: TuteTibiImperes: Here's a hint NBC - cancel Sean Saves the World - it's farking awful.  Put the Michael J Fox show on hold and use it as a mid-season replacement later on, it's not awful, but it's not good.

Your two best shows right now are Parks and Rec and Community, you should have them on.

They should cancel the lot of them, because actors cost money.  Do the MTV plan:  24/7 reality shows.  Save big bucks.

/it's why I'm half-expecting Agents of SHIELD to be canceled and replaced by "I Was A Teenage Slut 5"
//sounds like a porno, but without all the fun parts


That unfortunately more and more what SyFy is doing while other cable networks are increasingly producing the best scripted shows on television.  It's incredibly frustrating.
 
2013-10-21 04:54:21 PM

TuteTibiImperes: That unfortunately more and more what SyFy is doing while other cable networks are increasingly producing the best scripted shows on television.  It's incredibly frustrating.


What makes it worse is that Syfy can produce good stuff.  Eureka and WH13 are fun shows, if not groundbreaking.  I'm actually enjoying Haven quite a bit since catching up over the past month or so.  Alphas had its moments.  And the big "event" miniseries are usually worth checking out, even if they are hit or miss.

It just seems like Syfy is basically giving up lately.  Eureka is finished, WH13 is finishing, Alphas got canned, and they haven't taken on a big miniseries in a while.  Defiance is very...bland and generic-feeling.  I have no idea whatsoever what to expect from Helix.

At this point, I'd rather Syfy just spend the money they would use on an original show, and just re-master Babylon 5 and update all the effects to HD.  Air that exclusively on Syfy and I'll tune in.
 
2013-10-21 05:06:46 PM
FTFA: "As you wish," NBC said-and Parks fans were amazed to discover that , when it was saying, "As you wish," what it meant was, "I hate you."

Ugh, all of this. I don't understand the logic. Take off your most successful Thursday night sitcom in favor of an SNL special with skits we've all seen before. And The Voice! I mean, I get it that it's the new American Idol and everyone loves it, but we don't need it on 5 nights a week. Samesies with Dancing with the Stars, ABC!
 
2013-10-21 05:29:21 PM
I DVR everything and never watch things in a timely fashion, so I'd probably get around to watching it on Thanksgiving anyway.

DVRs are life-changing. Schedule-changing. Awesomeness. Oh you put my favorite TV show on an obscure channel at 4:30am on Wednesdays? How does that even matter anymore?
 
2013-10-21 05:31:34 PM

DanZero: Hey, post Halloween episodes worked for The Simpsons for a number of years


According to Wiki, they started doing November Halloween episodes starting with Season 12, so no, they didn't.
 
2013-10-21 05:32:01 PM

StopLurkListen: I DVR everything and never watch things in a timely fashion, so I'd probably get around to watching it on Thanksgiving anyway.

DVRs are life-changing. Schedule-changing. Awesomeness. Oh you put my favorite TV show on an obscure channel at 4:30am on Wednesdays? How does that even matter anymore?


DVRs do allow a ton of flexibility, and there are shows that I don't get around to watching until the season is over, but there are others I'll end up watching that night (after recording though so I can skip through the commercials).  Parks and Rec is usually one that gets the 'that night or the next day' treatment.

They did the same thing with Community last year - delayed the start date of the season, so all of the topical holiday episodes fell nowhere near the holiday they were supposed to be about.
 
2013-10-21 05:38:25 PM

xanadian: /it's why I'm half-expecting Agents of SHIELD to be canceled and replaced by "I Was A Teenage Slut 5"
//sounds like a porno, but without all the fun parts


Agents of SHIELD has half a chance: it's already been picked up for a full season, and it's being produced by ABC studios, which is owned by Disney, which also owns Marvel.  I'd suspect there will be pressure from above to keep it on the air, and work to tie it into the next Avengers movie.

/If Disney's smart, they'll keep making it even if it doesn't do well in the ratings, as it will do well on Netflix, given the geek factor of comic book superheroes and Whedon.
 
2013-10-21 05:39:30 PM
Sweet lord, why don't they just kill themselves?
 
2013-10-21 05:40:39 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Sweet lord, why don't they just kill themselves?


It seems like they're trying to.  Just very, very slowly.
 
2013-10-21 05:48:53 PM

Dwight_Yeast: xanadian: /it's why I'm half-expecting Agents of SHIELD to be canceled and replaced by "I Was A Teenage Slut 5"
//sounds like a porno, but without all the fun parts

Agents of SHIELD has half a chance: it's already been picked up for a full season, and it's being produced by ABC studios, which is owned by Disney, which also owns Marvel.  I'd suspect there will be pressure from above to keep it on the air, and work to tie it into the next Avengers movie.

/If Disney's smart, they'll keep making it even if it doesn't do well in the ratings, as it will do well on Netflix, given the geek factor of comic book superheroes and Whedon.


It's doing well in the ratings, second only to NCIS in its timeslot for live viewing, and first in the slot amongst the 18-49 demo with the live+7 DVR ratings firgured in.  In fact, the Live+7 puts it ahead of pretty much everything on TV other than BBT and Modern Family, and virtually tied with The Voice.
 
2013-10-21 06:00:09 PM
Since we have to wait so long I demand to see Tatiana Maslany and Rashida Jones make out.


Mike_LowELL: DanZero: Hey, post Halloween episodes worked for The Simpsons for a number of years

According to Wiki, they started doing November Halloween episodes starting with Season 12, so no, they didn't.


And that's only because of Fox's baseball contract.
 
2013-10-21 06:08:32 PM

Dwight_Yeast: xanadian: /it's why I'm half-expecting Agents of SHIELD to be canceled and replaced by "I Was A Teenage Slut 5"
//sounds like a porno, but without all the fun parts

Agents of SHIELD has half a chance: it's already been picked up for a full season, and it's being produced by ABC studios, which is owned by Disney, which also owns Marvel.  I'd suspect there will be pressure from above to keep it on the air, and work to tie it into the next Avengers movie.

/If Disney's smart, they'll keep making it even if it doesn't do well in the ratings, as it will do well on Netflix, given the geek factor of comic book superheroes and Whedon.


It's one of those shows that I watch just to complain about it
 
2013-10-21 06:13:20 PM

namatad: what is this NBC that you speak of?


Nothing. But. Crap.
 
2013-10-21 06:13:35 PM
Watching Revolution On Demand (which I'll probably stop because I don't know what the fark is going on), they keep splitting it up for that NBC commercial of MJF, Parks and Rec, Sean Saves the World and Meet the Family are all sitting together at a dinner table saying how great thursday night is and how great it is that it all comes together, then knowing they cancelled Meet the Family and now putting Parks and Rec on hold makes it even clearer that NBC execs don't have a farking clue what to do.
 
2013-10-21 06:17:20 PM
I watch the Notre Dame games on NBC. CBS on Tuesday nights and that's about it for network TV.
 
2013-10-21 06:19:14 PM
This is the same television network that thought it was a good idea to pre-empt part of the 2012 Olympic closing ceremonies  (the part featuring The Who, no less) to show a pilot for some show that was promptly canceled 2 weeks later
 
2013-10-21 06:23:29 PM

mikemoto: This is the same television network that thought it was a good idea to pre-empt part of the 2012 Olympic closing ceremonies  (the part featuring The Who, no less) to show a pilot for some show that was promptly canceled 2 weeks later


And didn't they skip a terrorist attack tribute or something in order to show a taped interview with Michael Phelps?  Their coverage was horrible.
 
2013-10-21 06:24:46 PM
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2013-10-21 06:32:01 PM

NeoCortex42: mikemoto: This is the same television network that thought it was a good idea to pre-empt part of the 2012 Olympic closing ceremonies  (the part featuring The Who, no less) to show a pilot for some show that was promptly canceled 2 weeks later

And didn't they skip a terrorist attack tribute or something in order to show a taped interview with Michael Phelps?  Their coverage was horrible.


Yup.  They also hacked the opening ceremonies up in such a way that it make no sense whatsoever, and let their nattering ninnies talk all over it.  It pissed me off so much, I tracked down the BBC coverage, which was excellent.
 
2013-10-21 06:52:06 PM

DanZero: Hey, post Halloween episodes worked for The Simpsons for a number of years



no it didnt, it was annoying and a condescending way for a network to treat its audience

/48
 
2013-10-21 07:00:13 PM

uncleacid: I watch the Notre Dame games on NBC. CBS on Tuesday nights and that's about it for network TV.


We finally have one of you on Fark.

Expect lots of questions, including why you hate worthwhile television and support terrorism.
 
2013-10-21 07:03:59 PM
I get all my news from the comment section on fark.

/except sports info
 
2013-10-21 07:15:14 PM
The only things I watch on NBC are football and The Blacklist. Might give Dracula a try.
 
2013-10-21 07:31:17 PM

DanZero: Hey, post Halloween episodes worked for The Simpsons for a number of years


Worked so well they aired the Halloween special in September this year.
 
2013-10-21 07:33:33 PM
Parks, shutdown, you know.
 
2013-10-21 07:44:44 PM
Nice
Big
Clusterfark

/it's about time they come up with another kickass mini-series like Shogun
//hard to believe that this is the same network that gave us Star Trek and Quantum Leap
 
2013-10-21 07:52:02 PM

DigitalCoffee: Nice
Big
Clusterfark

/it's about time they come up with another kickass mini-series like Shogun
//hard to believe that this is the same network that gave us Star Trek and Quantum Leap


And 30 Rock, My Name is Earl, Night Court, ER, Law & Order, The West Wing, Chuck, and plenty of other stuff.  NBC has come up with some very high quality shows over the years, they just seem to have lost any ability to promote them or make logical scheduling decisions lately.
 
2013-10-21 08:03:41 PM

NeoCortex42: TuteTibiImperes: That unfortunately more and more what SyFy is doing while other cable networks are increasingly producing the best scripted shows on television.  It's incredibly frustrating.

What makes it worse is that Syfy can produce good stuff.  Eureka and WH13 are fun shows, if not groundbreaking.  I'm actually enjoying Haven quite a bit since catching up over the past month or so.  Alphas had its moments.  And the big "event" miniseries are usually worth checking out, even if they are hit or miss.

It just seems like Syfy is basically giving up lately.  Eureka is finished, WH13 is finishing, Alphas got canned, and they haven't taken on a big miniseries in a while.  Defiance is very...bland and generic-feeling.  I have no idea whatsoever what to expect from Helix.

At this point, I'd rather Syfy just spend the money they would use on an original show, and just re-master Babylon 5 and update all the effects to HD.  Air that exclusively on Syfy and I'll tune in.


I gave up on Defiance after about five episodes, and I'm terrible about sticking with scifi long after others give up.
 
2013-10-21 08:07:34 PM

TuteTibiImperes: They did the same thing with Community last year - delayed the start date of the season, so all of the topical holiday episodes fell nowhere near the holiday they were supposed to be about.


They did get at least one good jok about that in.

"It's Holiday X! Or whenever this airs"

I want to say it was the Christmas episode.
 
2013-10-21 08:07:52 PM
So does NBC have some sort of Producers-like scheme going on where they'll make millions only if their season goes balls up?
 
2013-10-21 08:33:05 PM
Here is my view of NBC programming:

1. Shiat I would never watch, ever, no matter how bored, would rather sit in the quick lube waiting room and stare at the floor tiles
2. Community
3. Parks and Rec

So yeah, NBC, rock on.
 
2013-10-21 08:40:55 PM
This is just a way for them to cancel the show
 
2013-10-21 08:46:59 PM

Zombie DJ: Watching Revolution On Demand (which I'll probably stop because I don't know what the fark is going on),


Power turned on, nukes went up, power turned off.
[Time skip]
"US government" shows up everywhere, and is a bunch of dicks.  They're also running deep plans where they have "raiders" attack a town, and then show up and "save" the town.
Giancarlo Esposito is AWESOME and ruthless and AWESOME.
Not sure what's going on with Monroe, but this is probably just a VERY roundabout way of saying "Monroe reunites with the main cast in a way that lets him be a sympathetic ally" and "No seriously, these USA guys are everywhere"
And Fat Nerd is turning into Nanite jesus who murders you in his sleep.

/Let's just say that I hope they get to finish out the season.
//Absolute guilty pleasure, once I turn off the "90+% dieoff because modern agriculture (and no fat dudes)", "Why you no have steam", "Why you all not dead of infection" and "How you still have ammo left" parts of my brain.
 
2013-10-21 08:53:27 PM
Is NBC one of the ads they show on Hulu while I'm browsing in another window?
 
2013-10-21 08:58:25 PM
NeoCortex42: At this point, I'd rather Syfy just spend the money they would use on an original show, and just re-master Babylon 5 and update all the effects to HD.  Air that exclusively on Syfy and I'll tune in.

According to Straczynski in something on 1o9 or wherever I read via Fark last year, the original CGI models and composites are almost completely depricated or lost in many cases, meaning all they have is the SD footage. So they'd have to start from the ground up on the CGI and rebuild every effects shot from scratch.. I'm not holding my breath on HD B5 ever happening.
 
2013-10-21 09:10:03 PM

meyerkev: Zombie DJ: Watching Revolution On Demand (which I'll probably stop because I don't know what the fark is going on),

Power turned on, nukes went up, power turned off.
[Time skip]
"US government" shows up everywhere, and is a bunch of dicks.  They're also running deep plans where they have "raiders" attack a town, and then show up and "save" the town.
Giancarlo Esposito is AWESOME and ruthless and AWESOME.
Not sure what's going on with Monroe, but this is probably just a VERY roundabout way of saying "Monroe reunites with the main cast in a way that lets him be a sympathetic ally" and "No seriously, these USA guys are everywhere"
And Fat Nerd is turning into Nanite jesus who murders you in his sleep.

/Let's just say that I hope they get to finish out the season.
//Absolute guilty pleasure, once I turn off the "90+% dieoff because modern agriculture (and no fat dudes)", "Why you no have steam", "Why you all not dead of infection" and "How you still have ammo left" parts of my brain.


They've shown steam technology hear and there, not sure why it's not more widespread.  There have been references to plagues, and from all indications, the total world population is severely reduced from what it once was.

There are still plenty of plot holes, and I agree that Monroe's character development has been more heel-toe-turn from one extreme to the next than anything resembling organic, but I'm with you, I kind of like it.  It took about halfway through season one before it started to go anywhere, so I'll give season two some time to start showing the cards.
 
2013-10-21 09:12:21 PM
Here's something I don't understand.  NBC owns USA, and USA is absolutely killing it with original series.  Psych, Suits, Graceland, Burn Notice (now finished), Covert Affairs, etc, they hit far more often than they miss.

NBC needs to get some of the USA people involved in development for the main network.
 
2013-10-21 09:28:24 PM

Hiro-ACiD: NeoCortex42: At this point, I'd rather Syfy just spend the money they would use on an original show, and just re-master Babylon 5 and update all the effects to HD.  Air that exclusively on Syfy and I'll tune in.

According to Straczynski in something on 1o9 or wherever I read via Fark last year, the original CGI models and composites are almost completely depricated or lost in many cases, meaning all they have is the SD footage. So they'd have to start from the ground up on the CGI and rebuild every effects shot from scratch.. I'm not holding my breath on HD B5 ever happening.


That's pretty much what they had to do for ST:TNG, as there was very little CGI used on the show.  Of course, it was shot to 35 mm rather than video, which meant they had nice, stable footage to start with.
 
2013-10-21 09:39:13 PM

Hiro-ACiD: NeoCortex42: At this point, I'd rather Syfy just spend the money they would use on an original show, and just re-master Babylon 5 and update all the effects to HD.  Air that exclusively on Syfy and I'll tune in.

According to Straczynski in something on 1o9 or wherever I read via Fark last year, the original CGI models and composites are almost completely depricated or lost in many cases, meaning all they have is the SD footage. So they'd have to start from the ground up on the CGI and rebuild every effects shot from scratch.. I'm not holding my breath on HD B5 ever happening.


The models are so low poly and textures so low res that I would expect that it would probably be easier to start from scratch even if they had the old Lightwave files to work with. As CGI gets better and cheaper, I'm hoping that at some point some fans start remastering episodes (like some of the Doctor Who special editions that have been made). Unfortunately, B5 probably doesn't have the Star Trek like fan base that would support a remastered Blu-Ray release with redone effects, even though I'd personally sell my soul to scary elder things if it would let such a release happen.
 
2013-10-21 09:46:10 PM

Hiro-ACiD: NeoCortex42: At this point, I'd rather Syfy just spend the money they would use on an original show, and just re-master Babylon 5 and update all the effects to HD.  Air that exclusively on Syfy and I'll tune in.

According to Straczynski in something on 1o9 or wherever I read via Fark last year, the original CGI models and composites are almost completely depricated or lost in many cases, meaning all they have is the SD footage. So they'd have to start from the ground up on the CGI and rebuild every effects shot from scratch.. I'm not holding my breath on HD B5 ever happening.


To go into further detail, even the original unedited CG footage they were given before putting the episode together is gone.  All they have of the CG are the master tapes used for the original broadcasts.

Also while I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for the CGI remake, I wouldn't rule it out completely either.  Last I heard there was a fan group rendering new HD versions of the CGI scenes with the express intent of them being turned over to JMS/TNT/whoever to use in making an HD release, and with a competent lawyer on board too so that permissions/legal things would be handled right.  There's also the not-too-unreasonable possibility that as technology continues to advance, recreating the original CGI scenes would be trivial to do, to the point where it makes economic sense to do as part of a Blu-Ray release of the series.
 
2013-10-21 09:51:27 PM
Babylon 5 is one of those shows that I missed when it originally aired.  I've been meaning to check it out though.  I think I might have rented the first season DVDs back in the early 2000s, but never made it through much.  IIRC the effects looked hokey even then.  Does the quality of the SFX really detract/distract from the show, or is it still worth checking out?
 
2013-10-21 09:55:42 PM

Hiro-ACiD: NeoCortex42: At this point, I'd rather Syfy just spend the money they would use on an original show, and just re-master Babylon 5 and update all the effects to HD.  Air that exclusively on Syfy and I'll tune in.

According to Straczynski in something on 1o9 or wherever I read via Fark last year, the original CGI models and composites are almost completely depricated or lost in many cases, meaning all they have is the SD footage. So they'd have to start from the ground up on the CGI and rebuild every effects shot from scratch.. I'm not holding my breath on HD B5 ever happening.


The CGI would absolutely have to be done from scratch. I never see it happening just for a home video release. But I could see it as a very interesting cable network project. Put the budget that would normally go into cast, sets, production, and all that of a new series into getting the rights, the original film masters, and some fresh CGI. I know it's only a pipe dream, but it would be epic if it was ever pulled off. The CGI is terribly dated now, but the rest of the production holds up pretty well.
 
2013-10-21 09:58:12 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Babylon 5 is one of those shows that I missed when it originally aired.  I've been meaning to check it out though.  I think I might have rented the first season DVDs back in the early 2000s, but never made it through much.  IIRC the effects looked hokey even then.  Does the quality of the SFX really detract/distract from the show, or is it still worth checking out?


The effects aren't great, but they are not overbearing. The first season can be a slog to get through, but seasons 2-4 of Babylon 5 is some of the best science fiction ever produced for television. The fact that JMS personally scripted all but a few of the episodes really shows.
 
2013-10-21 10:03:38 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Babylon 5 is one of those shows that I missed when it originally aired.  I've been meaning to check it out though.  I think I might have rented the first season DVDs back in the early 2000s, but never made it through much.  IIRC the effects looked hokey even then.  Does the quality of the SFX really detract/distract from the show, or is it still worth checking out?


The CGI itself isn't that bad, but the quality of the CGI they have is.  First you've got the low poly count "everything looks glossy" issue, but atop that is the fact that the ONLY surviving source of the CGI was from the broadcast tapes, which brings the quality down even more.  Keep in mind that the original broadcast was in 4:3 SD, not Widescreen, so you don't just get "broadcast quality" CGI, you get "broadcast quality CGI with part of the top and bottom of the screen removed", at least on the DVD release.

The rest of the show is beautiful though.  TNT kept all the 35mm masters for the filmed stuff, so 90% of the episodes are of phenomenal quality.  Sadly, that just makes the CGI portions even more painful, because in order to keep the CGI transitions they had to keep the original SD footage leading into it.  You can always tell when there's going to be a fade to something happening out in space because the camera shot will change briefly, then change back, only now the shot is zoomed in and blurry as fark.  Then it fades into some equally zoomed in and blurry CGI stuff.  It gets the job done but... blegh.
 
2013-10-21 10:04:31 PM

NeoCortex42: TuteTibiImperes: Babylon 5 is one of those shows that I missed when it originally aired.  I've been meaning to check it out though.  I think I might have rented the first season DVDs back in the early 2000s, but never made it through much.  IIRC the effects looked hokey even then.  Does the quality of the SFX really detract/distract from the show, or is it still worth checking out?

The effects aren't great, but they are not overbearing. The first season can be a slog to get through, but seasons 2-4 of Babylon 5 is some of the best science fiction ever produced for television. The fact that JMS personally scripted all but a few of the episodes really shows.


I think that some of us are still interested in a 15 year old syndicated Sci-Fi show means it's worth checking out. Season 1 is a slog, but it's a 5 year arc, so it helps to watch it. The stand alone movies, not so much.
 
2013-10-21 10:06:58 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Here's something I don't understand.  NBC owns USA, and USA is absolutely killing it with original series.  Psych, Suits, Graceland, Burn Notice (now finished), Covert Affairs, etc, they hit far more often than they miss.

NBC needs to get some of the USA people involved in development for the main network.


But... do they care?   I mean, lets say series like Burn Notice or White Collar.... they get a decent number of viewers as it is on USA (3-4 million viewers)... so, if they bumped them up after 2 successful seasons on USA, shouldn't they think about bumping them up to an NBC 10pm slot, where they should be able to bring their existing audience, and supposedly gain a bit more with the additional exposure (probably 5-6 million viewers at least, which would make it somewhat decent, I mean, Parenthood is anchoring Thursday with 4-5 million right now).     I mean, those shows were not like Breaking Bad or The Shield, one's that would probably have needed to be done differently on broadcast TV.... they didn't push anyboundaries that way.

The fact that a cable channel like USA is NOT considered like the "AAA" for NBC tells you something about where the broadcast networks are going.

/speaking of Parenthood and Thursday above, with their poor ratings... I think Blacklist gets pushed to Thursday nights after the holidays and The Voice season ends.   Thursday night gets all the big movie ads for the weekend... and BL plays more into the audience that wants to see big hollywood actions films than Parenthood as well.
 
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