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(NJ.com)   The FBI would like to have a word with whoever it is that keeps charging their laser and pointing it at airplanes in NYC   (nj.com) divider line 79
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2013-10-21 03:15:49 PM
I remember (years ago) before they were ubiquitous and I was living in Inwood, the northernmost part of Manhattan and someone from a neighboring roof was pointing one of those laser thingees into my apartment.  Having seen a few Tango and Cash type movies in my day with laser scoped guns, I freaked out and called the police.

Well I tell you something, the boys at the station certainly got a good chuckle out of that one.
 
2013-10-21 03:17:35 PM
I bet it's KAAAANEEEEEDAAAAAA!!!!
 
2013-10-21 03:33:09 PM
Here's an idea.
Don't look down.
 
2013-10-21 03:33:57 PM
ummm... shoop da whoop?
 
2013-10-21 03:34:01 PM
It's cats. Charging their lasers.

Cats are assholes.
 
2013-10-21 03:34:03 PM
A "laser," you say?

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2013-10-21 03:34:34 PM
Isn't interfering with a flight crew a VERY serious offense?  If they think they're being funny, they're wrong and I doubt the FBI will have a few good yuks with them when they catch them.
 
2013-10-21 03:34:41 PM
Sharks with laser sights?
 
2013-10-21 03:34:44 PM
Rumor has it the guy wears a hat on his backside.
 
2013-10-21 03:34:48 PM

UberDave: I bet it's KAAAANEEEEEDAAAAAA!!!!


TETSUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

/obligated to
 
2013-10-21 03:35:18 PM
Word on the street says it's Badger and Skinny Pete.
 
2013-10-21 03:35:52 PM
Ah, here it is:

An individual on an aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States who, by assaulting or intimidating a flight crew member or flight attendant of the aircraft, interferes with the performance of the duties of the member or attendant or lessens the ability of the member or attendant to perform those duties, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 20 years, or both. However, if a dangerous weapon is used in assaulting or intimidating the member or attendant, the individual shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life.

May or may not fall under that, but indeed VERY serious.
 
2013-10-21 03:36:04 PM
I am going to guess it is a bunch of idiot 13 year olds...
 
2013-10-21 03:39:43 PM
Who's a big enough asshole to jeopardize lives like this?
 
2013-10-21 03:40:25 PM
Lasers, hell.  Those are UFOs.
 
2013-10-21 03:41:08 PM
 
2013-10-21 03:42:17 PM

Endive Wombat: I am going to guess it is a bunch of idiot 13 year olds...


So your typical farker?
 
2013-10-21 03:42:28 PM

Glitchwerks: Who's a big enough asshole to jeopardize lives like this?


Well, if Ted Cruz didn't have an alibi...
 
2013-10-21 03:43:28 PM
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-10-21 03:44:21 PM

neversubmit: Rumor has it the guy wears a hat on his backside.


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2013-10-21 03:44:25 PM

Glitchwerks: Who's a big enough asshole to jeopardize lives like this?


www.astro.caltech.edu
Astronomers.
 
2013-10-21 03:45:39 PM
I had a work study gig in the media center, and would sneak out their laser pointer at least once a week and point it at random people taking a smoke break during classes. Once, an unfortunately skittish young woman spotted the red dot on her shoulder (her tits, ok, busted) and she practically got dirt in her top pocket she ran so low and fast out of the area. I was impressed, and thereafter had no more interest in messing with it. I'd seen enough.

My guess is that some smart ass kid (like me) is going to have to cause a huge catastrophe and be used as an example to all other smart ass kids who play with laser pointers.
 
2013-10-21 03:45:52 PM
Heres a cool story(not really)... Some douchebag gave me a little impromptu lasek surgery with one of those things as I was driving my pregnant wife and I down the lake in our boat at dusk right as we were headed into the Marina. There were a bunch of us in several boats and these guys lazed every one of them from a house adjacent to the marina. Get one of those things in your eyes and you see nothing but spots for about 10 minutes. So once we recovered from the blindness and docked(all the while these aholes kept hitting us with the lazer) My friends GF finally calls the cops and they show up. We point out the house where the kids were and just as the cops were giving us the typical "dont know how much we can do other than send a car over and investigate" The dumbshiats decide to laze them while we were all standing on the dock. The cops freaked out and raced over there and dished out a couple arrests as we watched and cheered on from the dock. These kids werent the sharpest tools in the shed lol.
 
2013-10-21 03:47:30 PM

marklar: one of my favorites...
http://www.theonion.com/articles/well-folks-it-appears-some-shiathead -d own-there-is,19975/


I've never read that, but that is hilarious.
 
2013-10-21 03:47:51 PM
Barcode scanner repair shop?
 
2013-10-21 03:49:52 PM

marklar: one of my favorites...
http://www.theonion.com/articles/well-folks-it-appears-some-shiathead -d own-there-is,19975/


*snert*
 
2013-10-21 03:53:39 PM
Is it a cold chemical based laser? Where was Val Kilmer when this happened?
 
2013-10-21 03:54:18 PM

Thirty: Endive Wombat: I am going to guess it is a bunch of idiot 13 year olds...

So your typical farker?

  reddit user

/FTFY
 
2013-10-21 03:55:28 PM
Goldfinger?
 
2013-10-21 03:59:02 PM

vudukungfu: Here's an idea.
Don't look down.


At long distances the beam is spread out enough that it just lights up the whole cabin.

However, I ordered a pretty powerful green laser online and it came with glasses that absorb all the popular laser colors:  green, red, and blue.  They were less than ten bucks.  It seems to me maybe we should be stocking these in the cockpit as a "just in case."
 
2013-10-21 04:03:13 PM

Bslim: Is it a cold chemical based laser? Where was Val Kilmer when this happened?


At a party. With Girls.
 
2013-10-21 04:05:42 PM
Shouldn't this fall under the FAA's jurisdiction?
 
2013-10-21 04:06:06 PM
www.thinkgeek.com
 
2013-10-21 04:07:02 PM

King Something: Christ, what an asshole.


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2013-10-21 04:09:49 PM
Pilots are not as tough as disco dancers?

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2013-10-21 04:10:15 PM
lots of  construction equipment emit lasers for leveling and measuring. I'd bet on that being the culprit. Feds are kinda dense so it'll take them awhile.
 
2013-10-21 04:14:45 PM
It is so frustrating to see these stories get filled with ignorant comments, usually along the lines of "It's impossible to aim a laser pointer from the ground into a pilot's eye" or "I have accidentally had a laser shined into my eye before and it wasn't that big of a deal." All you need is that instantaneous flash on the windscreen and boom, your carefully protected night vision is gone. Glad to see Fark is, so far, a little more intelligent about it.

There are, btw, some pretty cool Youtube videos from the cockpits of planes that are being lased, and you can see how it flashes when it hits the windscreen.
 
2013-10-21 04:18:09 PM
I still want to know how someone could possibly focus a laser accurately at that distance.  Especially at a moving target.  We're talking well over a few hundred yards.  I can barely aim one across the street without it jumping all over the place.
 
2013-10-21 04:18:14 PM

redTiburon: lots of  construction equipment emit lasers for leveling and measuring. I'd bet on that being the culprit. Feds are kinda dense so it'll take them awhile.


Perhaps occasionally, but it would be a pretty unlikely accident. I've talked with, both online and off, pilots who have been lased and they were clear that the laser was dancing all around them as the perp tried to get a solid hit. I would take an uneducated guess that construction lasers would be mostly horizontal, mostly used during the daytime, and would be fairly stationary relative to a moving plane.

Besides, pilots are usually able to report on the approximate location of the beam, usually down to which residential block it came from.
 
2013-10-21 04:18:33 PM
Wanted for questioning:

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2013-10-21 04:19:36 PM

redTiburon: lots of  construction equipment emit lasers for leveling and measuring. I'd bet on that being the culprit. Feds are kinda dense so it'll take them awhile.


I haven't done a lot of midnight surveying. My total station also can't hit an airplane unless it is n another airplane, if I'm using it properly. Something to do with the definition of "level."
 
2013-10-21 04:21:04 PM

durbnpoisn: I still want to know how someone could possibly focus a laser accurately at that distance.  Especially at a moving target.  We're talking well over a few hundred yards.  I can barely aim one across the street without it jumping all over the place.


I don't think it's as hard as you think. You're not targeting for a laser guided bomb here. You just need to point at the plane and the jumpy beam will take care of the rest, covering a pretty broad area with ease, and occasionally flashing over the plexiglass windscreen. If you follow a few planes for 20 seconds each, eventually you're going to get those "lucky" shots where the beam meets the windscreen.
 
2013-10-21 04:23:58 PM

dukeblue219: durbnpoisn: I still want to know how someone could possibly focus a laser accurately at that distance.  Especially at a moving target.  We're talking well over a few hundred yards.  I can barely aim one across the street without it jumping all over the place.

I don't think it's as hard as you think. You're not targeting for a laser guided bomb here. You just need to point at the plane and the jumpy beam will take care of the rest, covering a pretty broad area with ease, and occasionally flashing over the plexiglass windscreen. If you follow a few planes for 20 seconds each, eventually you're going to get those "lucky" shots where the beam meets the windscreen.


Remember, for most cheap laser pointers the beam is probably over two feet wide at that distance.
 
2013-10-21 04:29:33 PM
All I know is it seems so scifi that we can just go out and buy lasers at the local department store. My 1978 self would never believe it if you told him that in the future, everyone can own their own laser.
 
2013-10-21 04:42:32 PM

nekom: Ah, here it is:

An individual on an aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States who, by assaulting or intimidating a flight crew member or flight attendant of the aircraft, interferes with the performance of the duties of the member or attendant or lessens the ability of the member or attendant to perform those duties, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 20 years, or both. However, if a dangerous weapon is used in assaulting or intimidating the member or attendant, the individual shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life.

May or may not fall under that, but indeed VERY serious.


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If the person pointing the laser pointer through the windshield at the pilots is on the aircraft, I think they've got bigger things to worry about.
 
2013-10-21 04:44:12 PM
You don't have to try to track down the source of the laser.  All you have to do is watch airport security for whoever is bringing the giant ball of popcorn kernels wrapped in aluminum foil as carry-on.
 
2013-10-21 04:48:36 PM

redTiburon: lots of  construction equipment emit lasers for leveling and measuring. I'd bet on that being the culprit. Feds are kinda dense so it'll take them awhile.


I don't generally aim my total station or laser level toward the sky.
 
2013-10-21 04:59:47 PM
Having worked professionally with lasers, I'm not getting a kick.

It's idiots like this who have made it very difficult to get permits to perform outdoor laser events, and have driven up the prices of the shows as a result.

dukeblue219: It is so frustrating to see these stories get filled with ignorant comments, usually along the lines of "It's impossible to aim a laser pointer from the ground into a pilot's eye" or "I have accidentally had a laser shined into my eye before and it wasn't that big of a deal." All you need is that instantaneous flash on the windscreen and boom, your carefully protected night vision is gone. Glad to see Fark is, so far, a little more intelligent about it.

There are, btw, some pretty cool Youtube videos from the cockpits of planes that are being lased, and you can see how it flashes when it hits the windscreen.


A lot of this. It's one thing to get hit in the eye with a wimpy 5mw 650nm (red) laser pointer from across a room, it's a completely different story getting hit with a 1watt 532nm (green) laser. The light from those can go for miles. And as you pointed out, there are videos of what it looks like when it hits the cockpit window, even from the ground, it has about the same effect as hitting a mirrored ball with a laser.

And there's the whole diffusion effect that makes the beam wider the farther it goes. While it might look like a pinpoint from your perspective, it's widened out to several inches or more at 10,000ft. depending on the quality of the optics in your laser.

Here is my only dissension to pilots and lasers: Sometimes what is said is that they can see a laser, but it isn't shined at them or even into the sky, but will report it anyway if it's near their flightpath. I know some pilots freak out if they even see one on the ground.

CSB:

The company I do occasional laser work for has a permanent laser show installation at an outdoor shopping mall that happens to be directly under the flight path of Phoenix Sky Harbor.

The laser show is automated and comes on after dark. It consists of 4 separate laser systems, two facing North, two facing South. The flight path is East-West.

The system is heavily masked and in a dust-proof steel sealed enclosure to prevent even the tiniest of stray beams from getting out. They are carefully calibrated and cleaned often because dust on the lens can cause diffraction. And every beam is carefully aimed to ensure that they are terminated on the property.

One day, a short while after the show turned on, from what I understand, approximately 20-30 police cars along with FBI swarmed into the mall looking for someone who was using a laser on the premises. They said that a pilot had reported seeing a laser beam from there, but it hadn't been pointed at the aircraft.

Once they saw the laser show, they demanded to see the paperwork for it and a bunch of other things. The mall turned off the laser show for several months after that IIRC.

/CSB

Here's one of our Elites being measured at slightly more than 3W. This is actually the laser out of one of those permanent ones at the mall after it came back from the manufacturer for service.

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If this were shown at a plane, it could possibly blind someone for several minutes or worse. That's why so much care has been put in place to ensure that there is no way in hell that it could ever have a stray beam into the flight path.

Yet, now almost any idiot can get their hands on a 1W handheld for only a couple hundred dollars or less. The system pictured is about five grand.
 
2013-10-21 05:08:41 PM
The laser originated near the intersection of Broadway and Steinway Street in Queens, the report said.

That's my neighborhood.  No surprise.  It's full of eurotrash niteclubs, so the douche level soars after sundown.
 
2013-10-21 05:08:44 PM
Meh, planes land themselves now anyways, so whats the big deal.
 
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