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(Daily Mail)   Convicted killer in danger of falling foul of Britain's "Three murders and you're out" rule   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 37
    More: Scary, European Court of Human Rights, Ian McLoughlin, Good Samaritan, Britain, Mr Justice Sweeney, Old Bailey  
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2013-10-21 03:53:34 PM
That's impossible, he's batted 100 for three. Or he reached his over-limit. Sticky wickets, and what not, eh? Bad show, old chap, but none of that American baseball rulings. No, that won't do at all.
 
2013-10-21 03:57:24 PM
That article was really hard to read, and I still don't understand the Human Right's whatever the hell.

How does someone who's killed 3 people in less than 30 years deserve to have any rights?  Is that my Silly American Thinking?
 
2013-10-21 03:58:14 PM

lesliessexxy: That article was really hard to read, and I still don't understand the Human Right's whatever the hell.

How does someone who's killed 3 people in less than 30 years deserve to have any rights?  Is that my Silly American Thinking?



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2013-10-21 03:58:52 PM
Bollocks. We have 'life' here in the Netherlands. And 'life' means 'life' - you only come out horizontally and at room temperature. And there is no way that any judge has ever thought that it runs afoul of European regulations.

Methinks it's the Daily Fodder aiming their reporting at not-so-knowledgable people
 
2013-10-21 04:06:05 PM

Coming on a Bicycle: Bollocks. We have 'life' here in the Netherlands. And 'life' means 'life' - you only come out horizontally and at room temperature. And there is no way that any judge has ever thought that it runs afoul of European regulations.

Methinks it's the Daily Fodder aiming their reporting at not-so-knowledgable people


-The article mentions that several incarcerated Britons appealed their life sentences and recently won, so the court's ruling may only apply to Britain.
 
2013-10-21 04:13:46 PM
One does not simply attempt "falling foul" until after one has fallen afoul.
 
2013-10-21 04:15:53 PM
He didn't get 40 years. He got a life sentence.

In fact, murder carries a mandatory life sentence in the UK.

What had got was life - with the POSSIBILITY of parole when he's 95 (which he won't get). The European Court ruling only barred life-without-possibility-of-parole.
 
2013-10-21 04:17:09 PM
one less pedophile. That's good at least.
 
2013-10-21 04:19:51 PM

gwowen: (which he won't get)


This time. We swear.
 
2013-10-21 04:21:48 PM

Dirtybird971: one less pedophile. That's good at least.


The pedophile is still alive... It was a random neighbor helping the pedophile who was being robbed that died.

/RTFA
 
2013-10-21 04:21:56 PM

Dirtybird971: one less pedophile. That's good at least.


I'd rather live near a pedophile than live near a murderer.
 
2013-10-21 04:22:51 PM

Dirtybird971: one less pedophile. That's good at least.


The guy who went to help his pedophile neighbor, who was being attacked by a gay-hating bisexual, was killed.  Not the pedophile.  .

C'mon......it's so simple.
 
2013-10-21 04:24:44 PM
Yeesh... You used to be so cool, Britain.  Back in the day* a guy would be hanged by the neck until disconcerted, but not dead, strapped to a scaffold, had his entrails cut out of him and burnt in front of him, then have each limb tied to each of 4 horses and pulled apart (horses optional; axes or knives OK, too) and various parts posted prominently to dissuade others.  Now you're all namby-pamby.

* Well, actually, that might not be strictly true.  Back in the day**. the above punishment, which was rarely survived, might have been given to the pedophile, making him unavailable to rob and kill, negating the other guy's crime.  Space-time shennanigans!
** Yeah, this is a footnote to a footnote***.  Is your mind blown?  Anyway, yes, I know that this and similar punishments actually weren't all that common, and were usually reserved just to high treason.
*** KAH-BOOM!
 
2013-10-21 04:25:52 PM

State_College_Arsonist: Coming on a Bicycle: Bollocks. We have 'life' here in the Netherlands. And 'life' means 'life' - you only come out horizontally and at room temperature. And there is no way that any judge has ever thought that it runs afoul of European regulations.

Methinks it's the Daily Fodder aiming their reporting at not-so-knowledgable people

-The article mentions that several incarcerated Britons appealed their life sentences and recently won, so the court's ruling may only apply to Britain.


The reason given in the headline was 'European regulation' (you know, the boogie-man of the Daily Derp) - not British law.
 
2013-10-21 04:27:21 PM

gwowen: He didn't get 40 years. He got a life sentence.

In fact, murder carries a mandatory life sentence in the UK.

What had got was life - with the POSSIBILITY of parole when he's 95 (which he won't get). The European Court ruling only barred life-without-possibility-of-parole.


We have life-without-possibility-of-parole allright. Right when the monarch grants it. Which is never. *smirk*
 
2013-10-21 04:29:32 PM

lesliessexxy: That article was really hard to read, and I still don't understand the Human Right's whatever the hell.

How does someone who's killed 3 people in less than 30 years deserve to have any rights?  Is that my Silly American Thinking?


Here's the thing about Human Rights. They apply to everyone. Even scum sucking rat bastards like this guy. If you're a living human being you have these rights, no matter what vile and appalling deeds you've done.

And your country has them too. It's why Ariel Castro got read his rights and got a state appointed lawyer. It's why Dzhokar Tsarnaev got taken to hospital before jail, and why he won't be tortured in prison.

Look up "unalienable" in a dictionary sometimes.

 
2013-10-21 04:31:00 PM

umad: gwowen: (which he won't get)

This time. We swear.


He's never had parole.
 
2013-10-21 04:34:24 PM

gwowen: Here's the thing about Human Rights...Look up "unalienable" in a dictionary sometimes.


Human rights? Why, the very name is racist. The EU is no more than a homo sapiens-only club.
 
2013-10-21 04:37:37 PM

Dirtybird971: one less pedophile. That's good at least.


The only person involved who wasn't a pedophile was the one killed.
 
2013-10-21 04:39:26 PM

gwowen: lesliessexxy: That article was really hard to read, and I still don't understand the Human Right's whatever the hell.

How does someone who's killed 3 people in less than 30 years deserve to have any rights?  Is that my Silly American Thinking?

Here's the thing about Human Rights. They apply to everyone. Even scum sucking rat bastards like this guy. If you're a living human being you have these rights, no matter what vile and appalling deeds you've done. And your country has them too. It's why Ariel Castro got read his rights and got a state appointed lawyer. It's why Dzhokar Tsarnaev got taken to hospital before jail, and why he won't be tortured in prison. Look up "unalienable" in a dictionary sometimes.


not sure what dictionary that would be in. "Inalienable" perhaps...
 
2013-10-21 04:39:27 PM

treesloth: gwowen: Here's the thing about Human Rights...Look up "unalienable" in a dictionary sometimes.

Human rights? Why, the very name is racist. The EU is no more than a homo sapiens-only club.


You just won the thread.
 
2013-10-21 04:47:38 PM
Just keep these people in prison where they can't hurt anyone. Oh wait.There might be a problem with that clever plan too.
 
2013-10-21 04:50:00 PM
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me no read gud.
 
2013-10-21 05:01:56 PM
Fly him to Texas

They'll handle it for you
 
2013-10-21 06:29:52 PM

gwowen: umad: gwowen: (which he won't get)

This time. We swear.

He's never had parole.


Oh yeah? RTFA: Ian McLoughlin, 55, stabbed to death Graham Buck in Little Gaddesden, Hertfordshire, in July while out on licence

"license" is Limey-speak for "parole"
 
2013-10-21 07:28:32 PM
Insert smarmy Eurocondescension about US capital punishment here.


/ok, yes, the US executes the wrong man half the time, but still...
 
2013-10-21 07:28:41 PM

Coming on a Bicycle: State_College_Arsonist: Coming on a Bicycle: Bollocks. We have 'life' here in the Netherlands. And 'life' means 'life' - you only come out horizontally and at room temperature. And there is no way that any judge has ever thought that it runs afoul of European regulations.

Methinks it's the Daily Fodder aiming their reporting at not-so-knowledgable people

-The article mentions that several incarcerated Britons appealed their life sentences and recently won, so the court's ruling may only apply to Britain.

The reason given in the headline was 'European regulation' (you know, the boogie-man of the Daily Derp) - not British law.


The European Court of Human rights overturned the life without parole sentences, so this is definitely not just a matter of British law.
 
2013-10-21 07:56:09 PM

treesloth: gwowen: Here's the thing about Human Rights...Look up "unalienable" in a dictionary sometimes.

Human rights? Why, the very name is racist. The EU is no more than a homo sapiens-only club.


So Russia it all is a member of the EU?

The European Court of Human Rights has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU.

You got trolled by a British newspaper, that's all.
 
2013-10-21 07:57:17 PM
Coming on a Bicycle:

The reason given in the headline was 'European regulation' (you know, the boogie-man of the Daily Derp) - not British law.

Yeah, and the Daily Fail likely has no clue that The European Court of Human Rights isn't related to the EU in any way or form.
 
2013-10-21 08:57:51 PM
Perhaps the judge is in the UKIP?
Court simply stated that life without possibility of parole is a violation of article 3, UK can still impose life sentences all it wants, possibility of parole does not equate to "must let out".
 
2013-10-21 09:32:06 PM
looks like the judge did give a life without parole.  he gave the guy a min of 40 before can try and get parole. The guy will dead by then lol.  But i would love to see someone try this in the US.  It never hold up in court and in some states you get lol out of court for trying.
 
2013-10-22 12:14:49 AM

jumac: looks like the judge did give a life without parole.  he gave the guy a min of 40 before can try and get parole. The guy will dead by then lol.  But i would love to see someone try this in the US.  It never hold up in court and in some states you get lol out of court for trying.


It never hold up in court and in some states you get lol out of court for trying.

??? We give true life without parole sentences here all the time. They are are mandatory in some states after 3 felonies, as the poster alluded too. Doesn't the Court of Human Rights have the same power as the Supreme Court since the signing of the EU treaty?
 
2013-10-22 01:21:09 AM

spawn73: treesloth: gwowen: Here's the thing about Human Rights...Look up "unalienable" in a dictionary sometimes.

Human rights? Why, the very name is racist. The EU is no more than a homo sapiens-only club.

So Russia it all is a member of the EU?

The European Court of Human Rights has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU.

You got trolled by a British newspaper, that's all.


It's more of a gossip rag than a newspaper. It's the Fox News of tabloids.
 
2013-10-22 02:53:34 AM
"The European Court of Human Rights ruled in July that life sentences with no possibility of review are inhumane and degrading."

Charles Manson has the possibility of parole.  And he ain't gonna get it.
 
2013-10-22 07:00:03 AM

State_College_Arsonist: The European Court of Human rights overturned the life without parole sentences, so this is definitely not just a matter of British law.


You may not be able to receive a life without parole sentence, *but* you can be held for life without parole.
 
2013-10-22 08:57:52 AM

spawn73: Coming on a Bicycle:

The reason given in the headline was 'European regulation' (you know, the boogie-man of the Daily Derp) - not British law.

Yeah, and the Daily Fail likely has no clue that The European Court of Human Rights isn't related to the EU in any way or form.


Given their various and peculiar obsessions it's very likely that Mail writers know perfectly well that the ECHR and EU are separate entities.

However, they are not as completely separate as you think, as they can be easily linked in popular perception under the general heading of "Europe", which suits the Mail's agenda perfectly and, furthermore, singing up to the ECHR is a requirement for EU membership. So, if the UK ever were to tell the ECHR to depart and engage in solitary fornication, we would then also be obliged to leave the EU.

... but of course the Mail would never attack the ECHR with that in mind.
 
2013-10-22 02:21:13 PM
spawn73:So Russia it all is a member of the EU?

The European Court of Human Rights has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU.

You got trolled by a British newspaper, that's all.


Azetbur stares intently at you with overt stoicism but lightly-disguised disdain.
 
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