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2013-10-21 01:25:27 PM  
I've said it many times: If you have to spank a 3-5 year old, you are the loser. You have to actually put in WORK to raise good kids. Lazy parents spank because they are lazy.
 
2013-10-21 01:32:04 PM  
And if you dont discipline them, you get the young generations of today.
 
2013-10-21 01:32:14 PM  
i.qkme.me
 
2013-10-21 01:33:24 PM  
I have to paddle my secretary with a yardstick occasionally - but that is because she does not know how to collate properly.
 
2013-10-21 01:33:36 PM  
www.operationsports.com

/Hawt like Spanking little girls.
 
2013-10-21 01:34:04 PM  

mediablitz: I've said it many times: If you have to spank a 3-5 year old, you are the loser. You have to actually put in WORK to raise good kids. Lazy parents spank because they are lazy.


Oversimplification.
 
2013-10-21 01:35:44 PM  

mediablitz: I've said it many times: If you have to spank a 3-5 year old, you are the loser. You have to actually put in WORK to raise good kids. Lazy parents spank because they are lazy.


Nothing screams lazy like smacking someone.  I mean when I'm lounging around the house instead of cleaning I get up and spank my wife because that's what you do when your lazy.

Jesus not this shiat again really?  Can we have a tipping thread next?
 
2013-10-21 01:35:55 PM  
You mean using violence and aggression to get children to obey might teach them to use violence and aggression to get others to obey them?
 
2013-10-21 01:36:06 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: [i.qkme.me image 512x384]


Can anybody spare a rod?
 
2013-10-21 01:36:27 PM  
What about spanking somebody else's child. My neighbor's daughter certainly needs it, prancing around in that cheerleader uniform.
 
2013-10-21 01:37:07 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: And if you dont discipline them, you get the young generations of today.


Yes, it's a good idea to project your failings onto an entire generation of people, and think that violence directed at children magically transforms into discipline, in direct contradiction to the quite serious evidence presented in the article.

Discipline is having a set bedtime.  Spankings are immature overreaction by parents who should-not-be.
 
2013-10-21 01:37:17 PM  

brimed03: mediablitz: I've said it many times: If you have to spank a 3-5 year old, you are the loser. You have to actually put in WORK to raise good kids. Lazy parents spank because they are lazy.

Oversimplification.


He is somewhat right. The problem is that spanking quickly becomes the one size cuts all thing to any problems. It gets too easy to just spank. Spanking should be held when nothing else works and as a threat . I feared a spankingbas a kid even though I only got ot like three times.
 
2013-10-21 01:38:03 PM  
I can think of only a few times I was spanked and I did deserve it. It was only used as a last measure after everything else had failed. And I was a little ahole that was always pushing the limits.
 
2013-10-21 01:38:26 PM  
Study says spanking your child could lead to future aggression

That just means that you didn't get out all of your aggression the first time.
 
2013-10-21 01:39:12 PM  
"Researchers found that maternal spanking at age 5 was significantly associated with greater aggression and rule-breaking as well as lower scores on vocabulary tests at age 9.
Fathers' spanking at age 5 was associated with lower vocabulary scores at age 9, according to the research."

This is not the same as spanking makes kids aggressive.
 
2013-10-21 01:40:27 PM  
I've found spanking to be a fantastic deterrent... Just knowing that it is an option, albeit the final option, is enough for my kids to behave...

/kinda like nukes.
 
2013-10-21 01:40:31 PM  

ikanreed: Discipline is having a set bedtime.


Discipline is between two consenting adults.  Spanking is only one part of it.
 
2013-10-21 01:43:15 PM  

TNel: "Researchers found that maternal spanking at age 5 was significantly associated with greater aggression and rule-breaking as well as lower scores on vocabulary tests at age 9.
Fathers' spanking at age 5 was associated with lower vocabulary scores at age 9, according to the research."

This is not the same as spanking makes kids aggressive.

 
2013-10-21 01:43:49 PM  

thurstonxhowell: TNel: "Researchers found that maternal spanking at age 5 was significantly associated with greater aggression and rule-breaking as well as lower scores on vocabulary tests at age 9.
Fathers' spanking at age 5 was associated with lower vocabulary scores at age 9, according to the research."

This is not the same as spanking makes kids aggressive.

 
2013-10-21 01:44:00 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: And if you dont discipline them, you get the young generations of today.


How terrible.

Record low crime rate, pregnancy, drug overdose deaths, etc.

How truly terrible today's youth are compared to those of generations past.
 
2013-10-21 01:44:02 PM  
"Beat your kids twice a day. If you don't know why, they do."
--My Dad
 
2013-10-21 01:45:17 PM  

groppet: I can think of only a few times I was spanked and I did deserve it. It was only used as a last measure after everything else had failed. And I was a little ahole that was always pushing the limits.


So...you were an ahole who was "always" pushing limits.  Therefore, since you were "always" pushing limits, the spankings really didn't do anything to change your bad behavior pattern. You continued to push limits, even after being spanked. Thus, an ineffective punishment.
 
2013-10-21 01:45:35 PM  

ikanreed: Best Princess Celestia: And if you dont discipline them, you get the young generations of today.

Yes, it's a good idea to project your failings onto an entire generation of people, and think that violence directed at children magically transforms into discipline, in direct contradiction to the quite serious evidence presented in the article.

Discipline is having a set bedtime.  Spankings are immature overreaction by parents who should-not-be.


What failings?  I think I turned out pretty well compared to my generation.
 
2013-10-21 01:47:03 PM  
b-b-but that one Farker always says that ADHD and every other behavior issue you could name is nothing more than kids not getting spanked enough...
 
2013-10-21 01:47:10 PM  
spanking shouldn't be about punishment.  spanking should be about getting a kid's attention when nothing else will work. The punishment comes after when they realize what they've done.
 
2013-10-21 01:47:54 PM  

TNel: thurstonxhowell: TNel: "Researchers found that maternal spanking at age 5 was significantly associated with greater aggression and rule-breaking as well as lower scores on vocabulary tests at age 9.
Fathers' spanking at age 5 was associated with lower vocabulary scores at age 9, according to the research."

This is not the same as spanking makes kids aggressive.


Right, so father's can spank away as long as they don't mind their kids being monosyllabic. Mothers better cut it out though, those little dummies will be right bastards if she does the same.
 
2013-10-21 01:47:56 PM  

ikanreed: Best Princess Celestia: And if you dont discipline them, you get the young generations of today.

Yes, it's a good idea to project your failings onto an entire generation of people, and think that violence directed at children magically transforms into discipline, in direct contradiction to the quite serious evidence presented in the article.

Discipline is having a set bedtime.  Spankings are immature overreaction by parents who should-not-be.


^this

That being said, the article is stupid. Spanking kids does not lead them to be violent adults. That notion is just plain stupid.

/won't ever spank my future kids
//Getting spanked did nothing for me as a kid but make me FEAR my parents
///nor did washing my mouth out with soap. I still have a filthy farking mouth as an adult ;)
////SLASHIES IN CAPS
 
2013-10-21 01:49:08 PM  

brimed03: mediablitz: I've said it many times: If you have to spank a 3-5 year old, you are the loser. You have to actually put in WORK to raise good kids. Lazy parents spank because they are lazy.

Oversimplification.


Simplified, maybe, but I'm not sure we need The Mediablitz 300 Page Text Book Guide to Correcting Children's Behavior.  But I hope the first chapter says something to the effect of how parents mistake the idea of correcting a child's behavior versus simply physically harming their child because they take misbehavior personally.  With the former, yes, you're misguided and lazy for striking a 3-5 year old, as there are better ways to get a child's attention and teach them how to properly behave and react.  With the latter, you're just a gutless f*ck.

/and , yes, that last part may also be oversimplified, as I'm sure some people have kids who do indeed get the better of their patience and create a reaction they both regret.
 
2013-10-21 01:49:47 PM  

mafiageek1980: That being said, the article is stupid. Spanking kids does not lead them to be violent adults. That notion is just plain stupid.


Yeah, I sure will take your bald assertion over the data in the paper.

mafiageek1980: //Getting spanked did nothing for me as a kid but make me FEAR my parents


Especially when you say something like that. I mean, obviously a kid who is afraid of his own parents could never lash out at anyone else. That's just plain common sense.
 
2013-10-21 01:49:54 PM  

highendmighty: Englebert Slaptyback: [i.qkme.me image 512x384]

Can anybody spare a rod?


dry or lubed?
 
2013-10-21 01:50:44 PM  
mafiageek1980:

That being said, the article is stupid. Spanking kids does not lead them to be violent adults. That notion is just plain stupid.

/won't ever spank my future kids
//Getting spanked did nothing for me as a kid but make me FEAR my parents
///nor did washing my mouth out with soap. I still have a filthy farking mouth as an adult ;)
////SLASHIES IN CAPS


I'm not so sure about that. There has been significant research which shows that for a certain percentage of kids (about 30%), spanking really does lead to violent, anti-social behavior as adults. Maybe your kid will be in the lucky 70% group. But I wouldn't be willing to take that chance.
 
2013-10-21 01:51:22 PM  
I think either you guys are over complicating the issue or over simplifying the issue. My parents raised 6 of us and were of the opinion that the reason children had buttocks was for spanking. Now here's the thing: my parents NEVER abused us and they weren't lazy about parenting all of us. We all grew up as close to normal as human beings can become, none of us are criminals, all of us are intelligent and have above average vocabularys. So much for bullshiat data that can be manipulated any way that the researcher desires. After observing the behavior of many children between the ages of 9 and 19 today...ass busting is not a bad idea and might have had really good results in curbing the violent disrepectful dumb as shiat tendencies they already display.
 
2013-10-21 01:51:47 PM  
All of the information in the article is contained within the abstract. The study is not about the link between spanking as a form of discipline and aggressive behavior; an instrument on aggression is included to compare with data from metaanalyses referenced in the study, but the study was concerned with influences on cognitive development, maternal versus paternal spanking being a factor, and longitudinal influences of previously observed effects. In the opening statements of the study, the researchers note the link has been established, and therefore note what this study is meant to add to the body of research. No one would bother to publish this study if the purpose was to find a link between spanking and future aggression because this would add nothing to the body of research.
 
2013-10-21 01:51:51 PM  
Also as for this study, why don't these people do their own research instead of just taking someone elses 13 year old data and then make new assumptions.  It took 4 PhDs to extract that data and put it into a chart format?
 
2013-10-21 01:52:08 PM  

mafiageek1980: ikanreed: Best Princess Celestia: And if you dont discipline them, you get the young generations of today.

Yes, it's a good idea to project your failings onto an entire generation of people, and think that violence directed at children magically transforms into discipline, in direct contradiction to the quite serious evidence presented in the article.

Discipline is having a set bedtime.  Spankings are immature overreaction by parents who should-not-be.

^this

That being said, the article is stupid. Spanking kids does not lead them to be violent adults. That notion is just plain stupid.

/won't ever spank my future kids
//Getting spanked did nothing for me as a kid but make me FEAR my parents
///nor did washing my mouth out with soap. I still have a filthy farking mouth as an adult ;)
////SLASHIES IN CAPS


And the fear didn't keep you in line? Though the whole cursing thing is just a natural part of adulthood but other things that are classified as 'just being a dick'.
 
2013-10-21 01:52:09 PM  
Resorting to punishment is rejection of discipline. Learn the difference and stop harmimg people.
 
2013-10-21 01:52:12 PM  

thurstonxhowell: TNel: "Researchers found that maternal spanking at age 5 was significantly associated with greater aggression and rule-breaking as well as lower scores on vocabulary tests at age 9.
Fathers' spanking at age 5 was associated with lower vocabulary scores at age 9, according to the research."

This is not the same as spanking makes kids aggressive.


Obviously when kids are aggressive it just makes you want to hit them more. This article is just trying to blame people like us!!
 
2013-10-21 01:52:42 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: [i.qkme.me image 512x384]


They soon after enrolled Ned in the University of Wisconsin Spankological Protocol
 
2013-10-21 01:52:57 PM  
Researchers found that maternal spanking at age 5 was significantly associated with greater aggression and rule-breaking as well as lower scores on vocabulary tests at age 9.
Fathers' spanking at age 5 was associated with lower vocabulary scores at age 9, according to the research.


Meh. How many words do most people need to know anyway? It's not like they're going to need them to express ideas. Just basic animal wants and needs. All they really require is a few distinguishable grunts.
What did it do to math scores?
 
2013-10-21 01:53:03 PM  
www.examiner.com
 
2013-10-21 01:53:46 PM  

Corn_Fed: groppet: I can think of only a few times I was spanked and I did deserve it. It was only used as a last measure after everything else had failed. And I was a little ahole that was always pushing the limits.

So...you were an ahole who was "always" pushing limits.  Therefore, since you were "always" pushing limits, the spankings really didn't do anything to change your bad behavior pattern. You continued to push limits, even after being spanked. Thus, an ineffective punishment.


Well I only had to be spanked three times and the thought of that stuck with me as a grew up to become a mostly non ahole. Yeah I still ddi things to get into trouble and was punished when I was caught but like a poster said spanks were like nukes, used only as a last option. Like when I was warned not to play with fireworks over and over and even grounded and yet I still did. After a spanking not so much.
 
2013-10-21 01:54:10 PM  
Seriously, all you "anti-spanking" people must not have kids. Let the childless dictate parenting, no wonder this current generation of kids are fat, bullied, Nintendo-playing chumps.

I speak from experience on this, as my step-son Kody used to be one of 'em. Little shiat had all the latest games and would still smart mouth his mom and I. That came to a stop after I showed him the belt a few times and cut the wire on his game. Now all he's says is "yes sir" or "no sir" and he spends about half the day out in the woods hunting and skinning squirrels.

The only thing we had to discipline him for recently was taking his buck knife to school, but it was an honest mistake on his part and he owned up to it.

Bottom line is my daddy spanked me and I turned out fine, and now I spank my son and it's done a world of good for that boy.
 
2013-10-21 01:55:05 PM  

barefoot in the head: Resorting to punishment is rejection of discipline. Learn the difference and stop harmimg people.


Well, humans do respond to positive and negative reinforcement, but raising a child shouldn't be done with the same intent as domesticating a dog.

//Also, I've never seen anyone who hits a dog raise a particularly friendly dog, only cowardly or aggressive.
 
2013-10-21 01:56:44 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: you're misguided and lazy for striking a 3-5 year old, as there are better ways to get a child's attention and teach them how to properly behave and react.


Very true.

doggonest.com

I know that it has a picture of a dog on it, but they work on kids, too...
 
2013-10-21 01:57:14 PM  
I am firmly in the anti-spanking group. That said, if you're going to have clearly communicated rules for your child and spank them as punishment then go ahead because I think spanking or no spanking as long as the communication is clear and there is punishment/rewards the kid will learn the same thing.

All that said these kinds of studies are terrible. Maybe children who are spanked have more aggression because:
-they are more aggressive which frustrates their parents which leads the parents to spanking as a last resort
-the child is genetically more aggressive and the genetically more aggressive parent has a tendency to spank
-the parents have to discipline more because they have ineffective parenting techniques. Ineffective parenting techniques also lead to the child being aggressive.
-reporting bias
-the few parents who do abuse their children are all spankers which skews the whole thing

People who are going to make huge sweeping conclusions like "Children are bad because they aren't spanked." clearly don't care about science. Further, anyone who uses any version of "Kids these days" have completely lost my attention as soon as they say that phrase. I know a bunch of teachers, and although we mock teachers non-stop, they are supposed to be the experts in teaching/disciplining children. There is no current school of thought that teaches them to spank. So there is that.
 
2013-10-21 01:57:18 PM  

thurstonxhowell: mafiageek1980: That being said, the article is stupid. Spanking kids does not lead them to be violent adults. That notion is just plain stupid.

Yeah, I sure will take your bald assertion over the data in the paper.

mafiageek1980: //Getting spanked did nothing for me as a kid but make me FEAR my parents

Especially when you say something like that. I mean, obviously a kid who is afraid of his own parents could never lash out at anyone else. That's just plain common sense.


First off, I'm not bald, lol!
Secondly, I'm sure if EVERY kid who got spanked and turned violent, crime would be a HELL of a lot worse than it already is. There are a lot of "old school" parents out there who spanked their kids but I am pretty damn sure not ALL of them turned out to be violent.
Thirdly, That was my OWN experience, not everyones. And yes, some kids DO lash out at their parents who spank them. Just as I'm sure some kids who DIDN'T get spanked did the same.

I am no expert by any means, but the study seems a bit short-sided by not doing a wider study, perhaps maybe a larger # of people. Just my 2 cents.
 
2013-10-21 01:59:53 PM  
I also question how only having to be spanked once or twice proves anything. I mean, on a day to day basis your caretakers were using OTHER METHODS to get you to cooperate. Maybe they motivated you with rewards. Maybe they punished you with threats. But instead of concluding that being motivated with rewards is most important you conclude that spanking is most important.
 
2013-10-21 01:59:57 PM  
I think spanking is much more humane than doing this to a child.
bios.weddingbee.com
 
2013-10-21 02:00:24 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I spank my son and it's done a world of good for that boy


It's not dicipline if you dim the lights and put on a Barry White CD.
 
2013-10-21 02:00:37 PM  
I really feel like the whole anti-spanking movement is motivated by emotion, not empirical data.  Having said that, I know there is no shortage of studies that conclude 'spanking is bad' but after actually reading some (not just the news summary, the actual paper) it left me going, 'Ummm.....seriously?'

There has been a tiny bit of press about Sweden and their spanking policies.  Back in like 1980 - Sweden made it illegal to spank a child - I believe they were one of the first countries to do so.  Interestingly though, they haven't seen any of the positives from not spanking.  Crime went up, child abuse went up, physical violence between children went up....

Anti-spanking advocates will say, 'Umm, well, now people report when a child beats up another child'.  I'm not so sure I believe that.  Also the rates are pretty staggering....but you'll have to dig a bit to find them.  Most write-ups on their 30-year anniversary of the no-spanking laws just kinda mention it or gloss over it.

Since the spanking ban, child abuse rates in Sweden have exploded over 500 percent, according to police reports. Even just one year after the ban took effect, and after a massive government public education campaign, Fuller found that "not only were Swedish parents resorting to pushing, grabbing, and shoving more than U.S. parents, but they were also beating their children twice as often."

"Enlightened" parenting also seems to have produced increased violence later. "Swedish teen violence skyrocketed in the early 1990s, when children that had grown up entirely under the spanking ban first became teenagers," Fuller noted. "Preadolescents and teenagers under fifteen started becoming even more violent toward their peers. By 1994, the number of youth criminal assaults had increased by six times the 1984 rate."
 
2013-10-21 02:00:48 PM  
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and

www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net
 
2013-10-21 02:01:58 PM  

FatherChaos: I think spanking is much more humane than doing this to a child.
[bios.weddingbee.com image 250x262]


Can't argue with that. It takes a real sonuvabiatch to put a kid in overalls...
 
2013-10-21 02:02:32 PM  

mediablitz: I've said it many times: If you have to spank a 3-5 year old, you are the loser. You have to actually put in WORK to raise good kids. Lazy parents spank because they are lazy.



Blanket statement is blankety.
 
2013-10-21 02:03:10 PM  
What I don't get is why stop with kids? If spanking is such effective discipline let's start spanking adults. That'll learn 'em.

Missed your work deadline? Time for a spanking.

Speeding? Get my belt.

DUI? You best believe that's a paddling.

Once you spank them a couple times, they'll never commit another crime or miss a deadline.
 
2013-10-21 02:05:40 PM  

pedrop357: Best Princess Celestia: And if you dont discipline them, you get the young generations of today.

How terrible.

Record low crime rate, pregnancy, drug overdose deaths, etc.

How truly terrible today's youth are compared to those of generations past.



Yeah, but they feel like the world owes them a living.
 
2013-10-21 02:07:06 PM  

js34603: What I don't get is why stop with kids? If spanking is such effective discipline let's start spanking adults. That'll learn 'em.

Missed your work deadline? Time for a spanking.

Speeding? Get my belt.

DUI? You best believe that's a paddling.

Once you spank them a couple times, they'll never commit another crime or miss a deadline.



Not that caning would take off as a punishment in the legal system here, but.......

Remember that spoiled f*ck who was caned after spray painting cars in Singapore?  He deserved it.
 
2013-10-21 02:07:07 PM  
If you don't smack you kid around, sooner or later someone else will. And they won't be thinking "I'm only doing this because I love you"
So you keep cranking out those smart mouthed, self-entitled little snowflakes, and we shall see what happened when they find a stranger in the Alps.
 
2013-10-21 02:08:00 PM  

mediablitz: I've said it many times: If you have to spank a 3-5 year old, you are the loser. You have to actually put in WORK to raise good kids. Lazy parents spank because they are lazy.


...and maybe lazy parents have other bad habits that contribute to their children having poor outcomes in school (uninvolved in homework, ignoring report cards, no tutors when needed, etc.).  In other words, spanking may have nothing to do with future aggression, but simply be correlated with lazy parents.
 
2013-10-21 02:09:33 PM  

The_Sponge: pedrop357: Best Princess Celestia: And if you dont discipline them, you get the young generations of today.

How terrible.

Record low crime rate, pregnancy, drug overdose deaths, etc.

How truly terrible today's youth are compared to those of generations past.


Yeah, but they feel like the world owes them a living.


Agreed to an extent.  But that's another issue.  Helicopter parenting really needs to be viewed as a form of abuse.

Any verbal or physical treatment of kids that resulted in the same kind of pathologies as helicopter parenting would be called abuse.

If spanking kids left them without so many basic skills as adults and caused so many to be dependent on their parents, etc. it would have been banned years ago.
 
2013-10-21 02:10:29 PM  

js34603: What I don't get is why stop with kids? If spanking is such effective discipline let's start spanking adults. That'll learn 'em.

Missed your work deadline? Time for a spanking.

Speeding? Get my belt.

DUI? You best believe that's a paddling.

Once you spank them a couple times, they'll never commit another crime or miss a deadline.


Singapore still uses caning as a legal punishment....AND they have one of the lowest crime rates in the world.
 
2013-10-21 02:10:56 PM  
I got the belt for misbehaving all the time as a kid and I turned out fine.

Full of self-hatred and prone to addiction and violent losses of temper with an aversion to emotional involvement with other people but I never killed any humans.
 
2013-10-21 02:11:24 PM  
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When my son looks like this I know he just ignited his latest experiment and I should quickly find cover.
 
2013-10-21 02:14:16 PM  

JRoo: I got the belt for misbehaving all the time as a kid and I turned out fine.

Full of self-hatred and prone to addiction and violent losses of temper with an aversion to emotional involvement with other people but I never killed any humans.


Today is still only half-over...
 
2013-10-21 02:14:38 PM  
I got spanked as a kid, and I turned out just fine.

Except for the time my dad tried to spank me when I was finally old enough/big enough to defend myself, and I had to stab him with a pair of scissors.

"You want to call the cops? Fine. I'll go to juvy, then foster care, and your career as school teacher will be over. Your call."

I pretty much ruled the roost after that.

Why no, I don't keep in contact with my parents, why do you ask?
 
2013-10-21 02:16:03 PM  

Corn_Fed: groppet: I can think of only a few times I was spanked and I did deserve it. It was only used as a last measure after everything else had failed. And I was a little ahole that was always pushing the limits.

So...you were an ahole who was "always" pushing limits.  Therefore, since you were "always" pushing limits, the spankings really didn't do anything to change your bad behavior pattern. You continued to push limits, even after being spanked. Thus, an ineffective punishment.


perhaps.  but then the non-spanking discipline efforts didn't stop the limit-pushing either.  so non-spanking discipline, by your logic, is also an ineffective punishment.  so if non-spanking discipline is ineffective, and spanking discipline is ineffective, your solution, presumably, is to not use any discipline at all.  and that doesn't seem like the way to go.

maybe we shouldn't use the presence of limit-pushing as the measure for or against a discipline.  i would be suspicious about any child who didn't push limits.  i don't want my sons to ever stop pushing limits for as long as they live.  that's how you succeed in this farked up life.

any style of discipline has consequences.  kids who aren't spanked will still push limits, even with non-spanking discipline efforts.  and since these kids can get away with whatever they want without fear of punishment ("sure, lady, i give a fark about your time out.  i just figured out i can get up and walk away.  whattaya gonna do, put me in time out again?  i'll just walk away again.  i can repeat this all night.  can you?  don't you have laundry to do?  and now the phone's ringing.  take your pick.  i have nothing better to do.  c'mon, let's see what you got.  i love you mommy!  i'm thirsty, i want a Coke! gimme a Coke!"), the condition worsens and they grow ever more spoiled as time goes on.  i can't stand kids like that, and i can't stand their parents.

aggression, eh?  OH NOES!  meh, here's a drumset, a football, and a tae kwon do outfit.  do something constructive and creative with that aggression.  great, now you're too busy to push limits, plus you'll be tired when you get home.  have a good time, kid!
 
2013-10-21 02:19:06 PM  
Better question: Why do you  want to hit your kids?
 
2013-10-21 02:22:35 PM  

PsiChick: Better question: Why do you  want to hit your kids?


Spanking is not hitting.
 
2013-10-21 02:24:51 PM  

PsiChick: Better question: Why do you  want to hit your kids?


Let's apply this logic to other forms of discipline...

Why do you want to take away your kid's beloved possessions?
Why do you want to isolate your child from his or her family and friends?
Why do you want to bribe your children?

The answer to those questions, and the hitting question, is the same for any non-abusive parent.  To discourage bad behavior/encourage good behavior in the hopes that your child will grow into the kind of adult you'd want them to be.
 
2013-10-21 02:25:05 PM  

The_Sponge: PsiChick: Better question: Why do you  want to hit your kids?

Spanking is not hitting.


I HOPE you are joking with that statement.

Spanking=hitting your kid as a form of discipline.
 
2013-10-21 02:26:50 PM  

thatboyoverthere: brimed03: mediablitz: I've said it many times: If you have to spank a 3-5 year old, you are the loser. You have to actually put in WORK to raise good kids. Lazy parents spank because they are lazy.

Oversimplification.

He is somewhat right. The problem is that spanking quickly becomes the one size cuts all thing to any problems. It gets too easy to just spank. Spanking should be held when nothing else works and as a threat . I feared a spankingbas a kid even though I only got ot like three times.


Absolutely. But statements like "spanking=lazy parents" doesn't help. Lots of reasons for spanking exist. We can and should debate their validity, but overbroad dismissals don't help.
 
2013-10-21 02:26:56 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: "Beat your kids twice a day. If you don't know why, they do."
--My Dad


Ain't nobody got time for that.  My dad saved it all up each night.  I deserved almost all of them and got away with a lot more.  Either that or my parents were just tired of it by then since I'm the youngest of 4 boys.

Mom used Hotwheels track to beat us.  I want to form a support group.
 
2013-10-21 02:27:22 PM  

mafiageek1980: The_Sponge: PsiChick: Better question: Why do you  want to hit your kids?

Spanking is not hitting.

I HOPE you are joking with that statement.

Spanking=hitting your kid as a form of discipline.



Nope.

And if spanking equals "hitting", then I'm guilty of hitting various women during sexy time.
 
2013-10-21 02:27:40 PM  

FatherChaos: I think spanking is much more humane than doing this to a child.
[bios.weddingbee.com image 250x262]


Not only are child leashes a good idea, they should be MANDATORY.

/I work in a public library, I know what I'm talking bout
//Whatever happened to inside voices and walking feet?
 
2013-10-21 02:27:45 PM  
 
2013-10-21 02:28:14 PM  

js34603: let's start spanking adults


Way ahead of ya, bro...

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dickpound.com
 
2013-10-21 02:29:49 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Well, lookey here, y'all

[s22.postimg.org image 850x566]
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CSB:

It used to be allowed at my elementary school (in WA) back in 1985.  However, the principal would call the parents for permission first.

/Once asked my Mom if she would give said permission.
//She said yes.
///Fortunately, I never got into that level of trouble at school.
 
2013-10-21 02:30:43 PM  

PsiChick: Why do you want to hit your kids?


I don't have any kids, so I can't answer that particular question. However, if you want to know why I want to hit your kids, it's because I've met them.
 
2013-10-21 02:31:17 PM  

ChipNASA: Don't forget what Maddox Says....


I think i know why Maddox is so angry now.
 
2013-10-21 02:31:29 PM  

The_Sponge: mafiageek1980: The_Sponge: PsiChick: Better question: Why do you  want to hit your kids?

Spanking is not hitting.

I HOPE you are joking with that statement.

Spanking=hitting your kid as a form of discipline.


Nope.

And if spanking equals "hitting", then I'm guilty of hitting various women during sexy time.


Yeah, but that's consensual, silly :P
 
2013-10-21 02:32:36 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Seriously, all you "anti-spanking" people must not have kids. Let the childless dictate parenting, no wonder this current generation of kids are fat, bullied, Nintendo-playing chumps.

I speak from experience on this, as my step-son Kody used to be one of 'em. Little shiat had all the latest games and would still smart mouth his mom and I. That came to a stop after I showed him the belt a few times and cut the wire on his game. Now all he's says is "yes sir" or "no sir" and he spends about half the day out in the woods hunting and skinning squirrels.

The only thing we had to discipline him for recently was taking his buck knife to school, but it was an honest mistake on his part and he owned up to it.

Bottom line is my daddy spanked me and I turned out fine, and now I spank my son and it's done a world of good for that boy.


--------

All spanking did for me is teach me to fight back and develop a high tolerance for pain and a complete hatred for authority. I guess I can thank it for making me learn not to take shiat from anyone and learning how to fight. Hit me? I hit back--come at me bro. Authority must never be followed blindly--sometimes it DOES need to be questioned. I guess the difference is that I was being spanked for no reason. I was a very square kid with controlling parents who didn't get into trouble. What they were doing to me was wrong.

/Female
//Could completely take out my 6'3'' 350+lb father who had military training.
 
2013-10-21 02:34:11 PM  

The_Sponge: mafiageek1980: The_Sponge: PsiChick: Better question: Why do you  want to hit your kids?

Spanking is not hitting.

I HOPE you are joking with that statement.

Spanking=hitting your kid as a form of discipline.


Nope.

And if spanking equals "hitting", then I'm guilty of hitting various women during sexy time.


So then the question becomes "why do you want to use this sexualized act to control children?"
 
2013-10-21 02:34:30 PM  
FUNWITHSHARPS:
/Female
//Could completely take out my 6'3'' 350+lb father who had military training.


At that size, a set of 3 stairs could take him out.
 
2013-10-21 02:34:37 PM  
I'm sure I got spanked at least once, but it's watching my oldest brother get regularly spanked (he was a horrible, horrible child) that really convinced me to be a good kid.  I figure this is a good compromise for the spanking/no-spanking crowds.  After all, it's not really the spanking that brings the message home, it's more the notion that "this shiat just got real".

 Parents that try to calmly reason with 3-5 year olds usually fail to get that message home.
 
2013-10-21 02:34:38 PM  

mafiageek1980: The_Sponge: mafiageek1980: The_Sponge: PsiChick: Better question: Why do you  want to hit your kids?

Spanking is not hitting.

I HOPE you are joking with that statement.

Spanking=hitting your kid as a form of discipline.


Nope.

And if spanking equals "hitting", then I'm guilty of hitting various women during sexy time.

Yeah, but that's consensual, silly :P



1) Yeah, but I don't even ask permission....I start with something very light, and then I decide on how to move forward given the reaction.

2) And if you want to get uber technical, spanking is using an open hand to hit somebody's posterior.  However, there is a world of difference between somebody saying "I spank my kids" versus "I hit my kids".  Besides, isn't spanking different from hitting if we had to create a different word for it?
 
2013-10-21 02:35:43 PM  

udhq: So then the question becomes "why do you want to use this sexualized act to control children?"



Er um.....I don't have kids.

/So I have that going for me.
//Which is nice.
 
2013-10-21 02:36:19 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Seriously, all you "anti-spanking" people must not have kids. Let the childless dictate parenting, no wonder this current generation of kids are fat, bullied, Nintendo-playing chumps.

I speak from experience on this, as my step-son Kody used to be one of 'em. Little shiat had all the latest games and would still smart mouth his mom and I. That came to a stop after I showed him the belt a few times and cut the wire on his game. Now all he's says is "yes sir" or "no sir" and he spends about half the day out in the woods hunting and skinning squirrels.

The only thing we had to discipline him for recently was taking his buck knife to school, but it was an honest mistake on his part and he owned up to it.

Bottom line is my daddy spanked me and I turned out fine, and now I spank my son and it's done a world of good for that boy.


--------

All spanking did for me is teach me to fight back,develop a high tolerance for pain and a complete hatred for authority. I guess I can thank it for making me learn to not take shiat from anyone and learning how to fight. Hit me? I hit back--come at me bro. Authority must never be followed blindly--sometimes it DOES need to be questioned. I guess the difference is that I was being spanked for no reason. I was a very square kid with controlling parents who didn't get into trouble. What they were doing to me was wrong.

/Female
//Could completely take out my 6'3'' 350+lb father who had military training.
 
2013-10-21 02:36:31 PM  

jshine: mediablitz: I've said it many times: If you have to spank a 3-5 year old, you are the loser. You have to actually put in WORK to raise good kids. Lazy parents spank because they are lazy.

...and maybe lazy parents have other bad habits that contribute to their children having poor outcomes in school (uninvolved in homework, ignoring report cards, no tutors when needed, etc.).  In other words, spanking may have nothing to do with future aggression, but simply be correlated with lazy parents.


If that's true, that it still doesn't support the use of spanking, in fact it implies that spanking is a sign of bad parenting.
 
2013-10-21 02:36:33 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: PsiChick: Better question: Why do you  want to hit your kids?

Let's apply this logic to other forms of discipline...

Why do you want to take away your kid's beloved possessions?
Why do you want to isolate your child from his or her family and friends?
Why do you want to bribe your children?

The answer to those questions, and the hitting question, is the same for any non-abusive parent.  To discourage bad behavior/encourage good behavior in the hopes that your child will grow into the kind of adult you'd want them to be.


...Except that adult society reflects bribery, confiscation of property, and loss of liberty, where it does not reflect hitting as punishment.

Sin_City_Superhero: PsiChick: Why do you want to hit your kids?

I don't have any kids, so I can't answer that particular question. However, if you want to know why I want to hit your kids, it's because I've met them.


I know you're being sarcastic, but my little sister (I had to be her primary caretaker for about a year) actually is a very helpful and considerate kid, given that all eight-year-olds are prone to things like thinking Justin Beiber is amazing. You don't have to spank to get results.
 
2013-10-21 02:37:16 PM  

mafiageek1980: The_Sponge: PsiChick: Better question: Why do you  want to hit your kids?

Spanking is not hitting.

I HOPE you are joking with that statement.
Spanking=hitting your kid as a form of discipline.


The punishment aspect of spanking doesn't come from physical pain.  (The average reasonably-active child, in any given week, causes themselves more pain than they would experience from getting a spanking.  Causing enough pain to act as a real deterrent, in and of itself, would mean beating the kid black and blue- and that's not a spanking.  That's a beating.)  The main punishment is fear- the anticipation of the spanking, and the oh-shiat-I-crossed-that-last-line feeling, being far worse than the thing itself.  Depending on the circumstances, embarrassment can also play a major part.

It's a mistake to think that, because it revolves around a physical act, that it's a primarily physical punishment.
 
2013-10-21 02:38:51 PM  

The_Sponge: mafiageek1980: The_Sponge: mafiageek1980: The_Sponge: PsiChick: Better question: Why do you  want to hit your kids?

Spanking is not hitting.

I HOPE you are joking with that statement.

Spanking=hitting your kid as a form of discipline.


Nope.

And if spanking equals "hitting", then I'm guilty of hitting various women during sexy time.

Yeah, but that's consensual, silly :P


1) Yeah, but I don't even ask permission....I start with something very light, and then I decide on how to move forward given the reaction.

2) And if you want to get uber technical, spanking is using an open hand to hit somebody's posterior.  However, there is a world of difference between somebody saying "I spank my kids" versus "I hit my kids".  Besides, isn't spanking different from hitting if we had to create a different word for it?


Alrighty,

1). Is there a safeword involved? Otherwise, unless you pre-discussed it with your bottom/submissive/other, it's wrong.
2). Again, Spanking=hitting. There's no other way around it. YOU doing it with your lover (provided it was consensual/have a safeword/have their permission) is one thing. Hitting a child that has no say-so in the matter IS abuse and is hitting.
 
2013-10-21 02:39:00 PM  

PsiChick: You don't have to spank to get results.



It depends on the kid.

/Sure as hell needed it when I was a child.
//Was the poster child for ADD before ADD was even a term.
 
2013-10-21 02:39:48 PM  

FUNWITHSHARPS: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Seriously, all you "anti-spanking" people must not have kids. Let the childless dictate parenting, no wonder this current generation of kids are fat, bullied, Nintendo-playing chumps.

I speak from experience on this, as my step-son Kody used to be one of 'em. Little shiat had all the latest games and would still smart mouth his mom and I. That came to a stop after I showed him the belt a few times and cut the wire on his game. Now all he's says is "yes sir" or "no sir" and he spends about half the day out in the woods hunting and skinning squirrels.

The only thing we had to discipline him for recently was taking his buck knife to school, but it was an honest mistake on his part and he owned up to it.

Bottom line is my daddy spanked me and I turned out fine, and now I spank my son and it's done a world of good for that boy.

--------

All spanking did for me is teach me to fight back and develop a high tolerance for pain and a complete hatred for authority. I guess I can thank it for making me learn not to take shiat from anyone and learning how to fight. Hit me? I hit back--come at me bro. Authority must never be followed blindly--sometimes it DOES need to be questioned. I guess the difference is that I was being spanked for no reason. I was a very square kid with controlling parents who didn't get into trouble. What they were doing to me was wrong.

/Female
//Could completely take out my 6'3'' 350+lb father who had military training.


I'm not sure that spanking was the problem.  Wouldn't you have developed authority issues had your parents punished you using other methods for no reason?  Randomly scolded you verbally, took your stuff, locked you in rooms/forced time-outs, no dinner, etc, etc?

I mean absolutely no disrespect when I say this - but I think this is why so spanking discussions always get so heated.  Advocates like me are thinking of their parents....I was very lucky, both my parents worked really hard at being good parents.  They weren't lazy, they didn't default to beating their kids for no reason, in my entire life I was physically punished less than 10 times.  It was never out of frustration or anger, it was a proportional response to my actions.

Anti-spankers are thinking of people who are physically abusive, beat their children for no reason, utilize no other forms of discipline, and generally suck.
 
2013-10-21 02:40:23 PM  

mafiageek1980: 1). Is there a safeword involved? Otherwise, unless you pre-discussed it with your bottom/submissive/other, it's wrong.
2). Again, Spanking=hitting. There's no other way around it. YOU doing it with your lover (provided it was consensual/have a safeword/have their permission) is one thing. Hitting a child that has no say-so in the matter IS abuse and is hitting.



1) No, but I start out so light it doesn't really matter.....it's more like a tap.

2) I've never had the need for a safe word just because I'm not into the really kinky stuff.
 
2013-10-21 02:41:50 PM  
In the end, I lead a happy, healthy, totally nonviolent and successful life.

All spanking did to me was give me a seething hatred against idiots who need to use violence and fear to control their children, and a resolve to make sure that decision hurts my parents more than it ever did me.

Every couple of years when they try to reestablish contact with me and my family, I send them the same form letter that as a consequence of their actions, they will go to their graves without ever having met their grandchildren.

I urge all children of spankers to do the same.
 
2013-10-21 02:42:06 PM  

mafiageek1980: Hitting a child that has no say-so in the matter IS abuse and is hitting.



No, proper spanking is not abuse.

/Hated it when I was a kid.
//Told myself I would never do it as a parent.
///But now that I'm older and I see so many kids acting like little shiats, I would properly do it if I became a father.
////Was spanked and ended up just fine.
 
2013-10-21 02:43:12 PM  

udhq: In the end, I lead a happy, healthy, totally nonviolent and successful life.

All spanking did to me was give me a seething hatred against idiots who need to use violence and fear to control their children, and a resolve to make sure that decision hurts my parents more than it ever did me.

Every couple of years when they try to reestablish contact with me and my family, I send them the same form letter that as a consequence of their actions, they will go to their graves without ever having met their grandchildren.

I urge all children of spankers to do the same.



Oh boo hoo.

Just because you had a shiatty childhood, don't expect me to disown my parents because I was spanked as a kid.
 
2013-10-21 02:44:27 PM  

The_Sponge: PsiChick: You don't have to spank to get results.


It depends on the kid.

/Sure as hell needed it when I was a child.
//Was the poster child for ADD before ADD was even a term.


I've never had that experience. You're bigger than even the most unruly children, and every kid loves cookies and ice cream. 'Clean your room and you get a treat' works wonders, and you can phase it out as long as you replace the treat with a verbal reward (i.e. "great job!"). They pick up on what you want pretty quick if you're patient.
 
2013-10-21 02:46:34 PM  

Cheron: [img.fark.net image 320x240]

When my son looks like this I know he just ignited his latest experiment and I should quickly find cover.


I LOL'd:  well-played!

/so you have a budding Walter White:  could be worse.....
// call me if he starts manufacturing MDMA
 
2013-10-21 02:47:40 PM  

The_Sponge: udhq: In the end, I lead a happy, healthy, totally nonviolent and successful life.

All spanking did to me was give me a seething hatred against idiots who need to use violence and fear to control their children, and a resolve to make sure that decision hurts my parents more than it ever did me.

Every couple of years when they try to reestablish contact with me and my family, I send them the same form letter that as a consequence of their actions, they will go to their graves without ever having met their grandchildren.

I urge all children of spankers to do the same.


Oh boo hoo.

Just because you had a shiatty childhood, don't expect me to disown my parents because I was spanked as a kid.


I didn't have a shiatty childhood, I just grew up with parents who had shiatty childhoods and never learned that using violence to get what you want is NEVER acceptable.

I taught myself that lesson and was able to live pretty much happily independent from about age 12.
 
2013-10-21 02:50:22 PM  

udhq: I didn't have a shiatty childhood, I just grew up with parents who had shiatty childhoods and never learned that using violence to get what you want is NEVER acceptable.

I taught myself that lesson and was able to live pretty much happily independent from about age 12.



It was shiatty enough where it just caused to you make a silly statement:


Every couple of years when they try to reestablish contact with me and my family, I send them the same form letter that as a consequence of their actions, they will go to their graves without ever having met their grandchildren.

I urge all children of spankers to do the same.



Really?  All people who were spanked as kids should disown their parents?

/Have a great relationship with my parents.
 
2013-10-21 02:51:15 PM  

The_Sponge: mafiageek1980: 1). Is there a safeword involved? Otherwise, unless you pre-discussed it with your bottom/submissive/other, it's wrong.
2). Again, Spanking=hitting. There's no other way around it. YOU doing it with your lover (provided it was consensual/have a safeword/have their permission) is one thing. Hitting a child that has no say-so in the matter IS abuse and is hitting.


1) No, but I start out so light it doesn't really matter.....it's more like a tap.

2) I've never had the need for a safe word just because I'm not into the really kinky stuff.


Yes, it does because you are hitting (light or not) the person. By NOT asking them BEFORE you do it, that deems it non-consensual in the adult case, which means, your lover could have technically filed assault charges against you if they really wanted to. You don't have to be into that kinky stuff to have respect for a person and ASK if they ENJOY being hit before you do it.
 
2013-10-21 02:53:17 PM  

mafiageek1980: Yes, it does because you are hitting (light or not) the person. By NOT asking them BEFORE you do it, that deems it non-consensual in the adult case, which means, your lover could have technically filed assault charges against you if they really wanted to. You don't have to be into that kinky stuff to have respect for a person and ASK if they ENJOY being hit before you do it.



Yeesh....we're talking about a light tap.....which is definitely not hitting.
 
2013-10-21 02:53:56 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-21 02:53:59 PM  

udhq: All spanking did to me was give me a seething hatred against idiots who need to use violence and fear to control their children, and a resolve to make sure that decision hurts my parents more than it ever did me.

Every couple of years when they try to reestablish contact with me and my family, I send them the same form letter that as a consequence of their actions, they will go to their graves without ever having met their grandchildren.


I admire and respect that level of spite. I have a parent I'm trolling the obits for myself.
 
2013-10-21 02:54:36 PM  
Ya know, if I were given a choice between physical pain and emotional pain, I'd take physical pain every time.  This always makes me wonder about these completely anti-spanking folks -- do they discipline their children with harsh, mentally-scarring corrections?

I think maybe they are  ... because I've noticed that many of the anti-spanking people are the quickest to insult and verbally disparage those that disagree with them.  I guess it makes sense since they were probably taught at an early age that the best way to deal with dissenting opinions is to verbally lash out at someone.  I guess this is more civilized or something.
 
2013-10-21 02:55:28 PM  

The_Sponge: mafiageek1980: Yes, it does because you are hitting (light or not) the person. By NOT asking them BEFORE you do it, that deems it non-consensual in the adult case, which means, your lover could have technically filed assault charges against you if they really wanted to. You don't have to be into that kinky stuff to have respect for a person and ASK if they ENJOY being hit before you do it.


Yeesh....we're talking about a light tap.....which is definitely not hitting.


it's still a "tap" without the person's permission. Even a mere "light tap" can be considered assault.
 
2013-10-21 02:56:38 PM  

mafiageek1980: The_Sponge: mafiageek1980: Yes, it does because you are hitting (light or not) the person. By NOT asking them BEFORE you do it, that deems it non-consensual in the adult case, which means, your lover could have technically filed assault charges against you if they really wanted to. You don't have to be into that kinky stuff to have respect for a person and ASK if they ENJOY being hit before you do it.


Yeesh....we're talking about a light tap.....which is definitely not hitting.

it's still a "tap" without the person's permission. Even a mere "light tap" can be considered assault.



Well then call me Mr. Lucky because nobody has ever complained or filed charges.
 
2013-10-21 02:58:09 PM  
*has a kid

I think every comment on such topics should be started by stating whether or not the commenter has a kid..
 
2013-10-21 02:59:09 PM  
The_Sponge: Well then call me Mr. Lucky because nobody has ever complained or filed charges.

That's funny because that's what I call my pianist.
 
2013-10-21 02:59:33 PM  

AllUpInYa: *has a kid

I think every comment on such topics should be started by stating whether or not the commenter has a kid..


So if I start out by saying "NO KID", that means I win, right?
 
2013-10-21 03:01:26 PM  

mafiageek1980: The_Sponge: PsiChick: Better question: Why do you  want to hit your kids?

Spanking is not hitting.

I HOPE you are joking with that statement.

Spanking=hitting your kid as a form of discipline.



When I do it, it is spanking......if someone else does it, it is hitting and they better be ready for a fight.
 
2013-10-21 03:03:25 PM  

The_Sponge: udhq: I didn't have a shiatty childhood, I just grew up with parents who had shiatty childhoods and never learned that using violence to get what you want is NEVER acceptable.

I taught myself that lesson and was able to live pretty much happily independent from about age 12.


It was shiatty enough where it just caused to you make a silly statement:


Every couple of years when they try to reestablish contact with me and my family, I send them the same form letter that as a consequence of their actions, they will go to their graves without ever having met their grandchildren.

I urge all children of spankers to do the same.


Really?  All people who were spanked as kids should disown their parents?

/Have a great relationship with my parents.


Congratulations, you must be much easier to be controlled through violence and fear than I am.
 
2013-10-21 03:05:31 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: AllUpInYa: *has a kid

I think every comment on such topics should be started by stating whether or not the commenter has a kid..

So if I start out by saying "NO KID", that means I win, right?



No, just that I probably will save time by skipping over your comment.
 
2013-10-21 03:05:50 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: udhq: All spanking did to me was give me a seething hatred against idiots who need to use violence and fear to control their children, and a resolve to make sure that decision hurts my parents more than it ever did me.

Every couple of years when they try to reestablish contact with me and my family, I send them the same form letter that as a consequence of their actions, they will go to their graves without ever having met their grandchildren.

I admire and respect that level of spite. I have a parent I'm trolling the obits for myself.


It's absolutely not spite, not really even anger. They're pretty much non people to me at this point.

Well, that and I'm EXTREMELY protective of my kids. I almost feel sorry for the boys who are going to try and take my daughters out on dates later on...
 
2013-10-21 03:11:08 PM  

udhq: Phil Moskowitz: udhq: All spanking did to me was give me a seething hatred against idiots who need to use violence and fear to control their children, and a resolve to make sure that decision hurts my parents more than it ever did me.

Every couple of years when they try to reestablish contact with me and my family, I send them the same form letter that as a consequence of their actions, they will go to their graves without ever having met their grandchildren.

I admire and respect that level of spite. I have a parent I'm trolling the obits for myself.

It's absolutely not spite, not really even anger. They're pretty much non people to me at this point.

Well, that and I'm EXTREMELY protective of my kids. I almost feel sorry for the boys who are going to try and take my daughters out on dates later on...


Are you planning on controlling those boys through violence and fear?
 
2013-10-21 03:13:17 PM  

udhq: It's absolutely not spite, not really even anger. They're pretty much non people to me at this point.


Do you not know what spite means?  What you did is the definition of spite.  I mean textbook definition.
 
2013-10-21 03:16:38 PM  

Wellon Dowd: What about spanking somebody else's child. My neighbor's daughter certainly needs it, prancing around in that cheerleader uniform.


Go on...
 
2013-10-21 03:17:13 PM  
For my children, spanking filled in the relatively short period of time between the age of mobility and self-determinance, and the age at which point you could begin actually reasoning with the little snotrags.

It was formulaic and absolutely predictable; a loud NO! from mommy and/or daddy.  Further disregard elicited another NO!, and a countdown from 5.  When the countdown elapsed, it was time for a few calculated smacks upon ye olde buttockes, with hand drawn no further back than six to twelve inches, and always flat of the hand.

It also worked AMAZINGLY well.
 
2013-10-21 03:21:16 PM  

mafiageek1980: The_Sponge: mafiageek1980: 1). Is there a safeword involved? Otherwise, unless you pre-discussed it with your bottom/submissive/other, it's wrong.
2). Again, Spanking=hitting. There's no other way around it. YOU doing it with your lover (provided it was consensual/have a safeword/have their permission) is one thing. Hitting a child that has no say-so in the matter IS abuse and is hitting.


1) No, but I start out so light it doesn't really matter.....it's more like a tap.

2) I've never had the need for a safe word just because I'm not into the really kinky stuff.

Yes, it does because you are hitting (light or not) the person. By NOT asking them BEFORE you do it, that deems it non-consensual in the adult case, which means, your lover could have technically filed assault charges against you if they really wanted to. You don't have to be into that kinky stuff to have respect for a person and ASK if they ENJOY being hit before you do it.


Why doesn't this apply equally to EVERY aspect of sexytime?

"I'm going to gently stroke your inner thigh.  Is this acceptable?  If you'd like me to stop, say 'Thursday.'"
 
2013-10-21 03:23:06 PM  

udhq: The_Sponge: udhq: I didn't have a shiatty childhood, I just grew up with parents who had shiatty childhoods and never learned that using violence to get what you want is NEVER acceptable.

I taught myself that lesson and was able to live pretty much happily independent from about age 12.


It was shiatty enough where it just caused to you make a silly statement:


Every couple of years when they try to reestablish contact with me and my family, I send them the same form letter that as a consequence of their actions, they will go to their graves without ever having met their grandchildren.

I urge all children of spankers to do the same.


Really?  All people who were spanked as kids should disown their parents?

/Have a great relationship with my parents.

Congratulations, you must be much easier to be controlled through violence and fear than I am.



Congratulations, I love it how you can't admit that you made a silly blanket statement.  (Which is shown above in bold font for your convenience.)
 
2013-10-21 03:26:45 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: You mean using violence and aggression to get children to obey might teach them to use violence and aggression to get others to obey them?


SAY THAT TO MY FACE, MOTHER FARKER! *PUNCH*
 
2013-10-21 03:28:07 PM  

Jocktopus: mafiageek1980: The_Sponge: mafiageek1980: 1). Is there a safeword involved? Otherwise, unless you pre-discussed it with your bottom/submissive/other, it's wrong.
2). Again, Spanking=hitting. There's no other way around it. YOU doing it with your lover (provided it was consensual/have a safeword/have their permission) is one thing. Hitting a child that has no say-so in the matter IS abuse and is hitting.


1) No, but I start out so light it doesn't really matter.....it's more like a tap.

2) I've never had the need for a safe word just because I'm not into the really kinky stuff.

Yes, it does because you are hitting (light or not) the person. By NOT asking them BEFORE you do it, that deems it non-consensual in the adult case, which means, your lover could have technically filed assault charges against you if they really wanted to. You don't have to be into that kinky stuff to have respect for a person and ASK if they ENJOY being hit before you do it.

Why doesn't this apply equally to EVERY aspect of sexytime?

"I'm going to gently stroke your inner thigh.  Is this acceptable?  If you'd like me to stop, say 'Thursday.'"


Hahahaha!

Exactly.

/Don't get me wrong.
//There are certain things you had better ask about in advance.
 
2013-10-21 03:31:18 PM  

Jocktopus: For my children, spanking filled in the relatively short period of time between the age of mobility and self-determinance, and the age at which point you could begin actually reasoning with the little snotrags.

It was formulaic and absolutely predictable; a loud NO! from mommy and/or daddy.  Further disregard elicited another NO!, and a countdown from 5.  When the countdown elapsed, it was time for a few calculated smacks upon ye olde buttockes, with hand drawn no further back than six to twelve inches, and always flat of the hand.

It also worked AMAZINGLY well.


My daughter is too young for that whole thing just yet, but I have several friends that operate pretty much as above and it seems to work.  I have never once seen any of the kids make it to five and have to get spanked.
 
2013-10-21 03:33:15 PM  

Beeblebrox: udhq: Phil Moskowitz: udhq: All spanking did to me was give me a seething hatred against idiots who need to use violence and fear to control their children, and a resolve to make sure that decision hurts my parents more than it ever did me.

Every couple of years when they try to reestablish contact with me and my family, I send them the same form letter that as a consequence of their actions, they will go to their graves without ever having met their grandchildren.

I admire and respect that level of spite. I have a parent I'm trolling the obits for myself.

It's absolutely not spite, not really even anger. They're pretty much non people to me at this point.

Well, that and I'm EXTREMELY protective of my kids. I almost feel sorry for the boys who are going to try and take my daughters out on dates later on...

Are you planning on controlling those boys through violence and fear?


I'm a nonviolent man. But fear, you bet your ass I'm going to make everyone I can afraid to hurt one of my girls.
 
2013-10-21 03:38:08 PM  

udhq: Beeblebrox: udhq: Phil Moskowitz: udhq: All spanking did to me was give me a seething hatred against idiots who need to use violence and fear to control their children, and a resolve to make sure that decision hurts my parents more than it ever did me.

Every couple of years when they try to reestablish contact with me and my family, I send them the same form letter that as a consequence of their actions, they will go to their graves without ever having met their grandchildren.

I admire and respect that level of spite. I have a parent I'm trolling the obits for myself.

It's absolutely not spite, not really even anger. They're pretty much non people to me at this point.

Well, that and I'm EXTREMELY protective of my kids. I almost feel sorry for the boys who are going to try and take my daughters out on dates later on...

Are you planning on controlling those boys through violence and fear?

I'm a nonviolent man. But fear, you bet your ass I'm going to make everyone I can afraid to hurt one of my girls.


...and you believe that any boy who wants to take one of your daughters on a date intends to hurt her?  That seems awfully misanthropic & paranoid.
 
2013-10-21 03:39:07 PM  

udhq: Beeblebrox: udhq: Phil Moskowitz: udhq: All spanking did to me was give me a seething hatred against idiots who need to use violence and fear to control their children, and a resolve to make sure that decision hurts my parents more than it ever did me.

Every couple of years when they try to reestablish contact with me and my family, I send them the same form letter that as a consequence of their actions, they will go to their graves without ever having met their grandchildren.

I admire and respect that level of spite. I have a parent I'm trolling the obits for myself.

It's absolutely not spite, not really even anger. They're pretty much non people to me at this point.

Well, that and I'm EXTREMELY protective of my kids. I almost feel sorry for the boys who are going to try and take my daughters out on dates later on...

Are you planning on controlling those boys through violence and fear?

I'm a nonviolent man. But fear, you bet your ass I'm going to make everyone I can afraid to hurt one of my girls.


I've heard that reasoning with them works better ...
 
2013-10-21 03:43:19 PM  
udhq:
I'm a nonviolent man. But fear, you bet your ass I'm going to make everyone I can afraid to hurt one of my girls.

If you're completely nonviolent and those boys know it... Not much fear to be spread about.

/IMO.
//Obviously.
 
2013-10-21 03:45:48 PM  

mafiageek1980: Secondly, I'm sure if EVERY kid who got spanked and turned violent, crime would be a HELL of a lot worse than it already is.


You're absolutely right. In a similar vein, some people who smoke never get lung cancer. Therefore, smoking and lung cancer can't be linked.

What's that, no one said that everybody who smokes gets lung cancer? Interesting, that. Now, back to the topic of all of those many people who said that every child who is spanked turned violent.
 
2013-10-21 03:51:08 PM  

TheYeti: My daughter is too young for that whole thing just yet, but I have several friends that operate pretty much as above and it seems to work. I have never once seen any of the kids make it to five and have to get spanked.


If you do use the countdown method make sure you follow through and don't do the 3, 2, 1.5, 1, .5, .25 BS.  3,2,1,0 discipline.  My wife can't figure out why the counting works for me but not here when she's done counting she just starts again or yells at them to do what she had said.
 
2013-10-21 03:54:44 PM  

TNel: TheYeti: My daughter is too young for that whole thing just yet, but I have several friends that operate pretty much as above and it seems to work. I have never once seen any of the kids make it to five and have to get spanked.

If you do use the countdown method make sure you follow through and don't do the 3, 2, 1.5, 1, .5, .25 BS.  3,2,1,0 discipline.  My wife can't figure out why the counting works for me but not here when she's done counting she just starts again or yells at them to do what she had said.


Consistency is hugely important.

NEVER START COUNTING DOWN IF YOU DON'T INTEND TO GO THROUGH WITH IT.
 
2013-10-21 03:57:53 PM  
Nobody shot up schools when everybody got their ass whupped for misbehaving.
 
2013-10-21 03:58:08 PM  

FatherChaos: I think spanking is much more humane than doing this to a child.
[bios.weddingbee.com image 250x262]


And I'd argue that neither are appropriate before baby completes a Good Infant Citizen training course and masters the basic sit-stay-come-heel commands before being allowed out in public :D

(We've already had Electric Fences and baby leashes discussed, why not?)

...In all seriousness, though, in general there are better approaches than spanking for most disciplinary issues and if spanking is used it should (IMHO) be reserved for "shiat that if not nipped in bud will actively maim or kill babby" sort of things--running out in the middle of the street on multiple occasions sorts of stuff.

/the idea of Good Canine Citizen training for babies does still amuse me, though
//Do not worry, I do not intend on having babby.  I prefer puppies and kittens, and besides, biology (fortunately for the world at large) said no a long time ago to the idea of GPD-Spawn :D
 
2013-10-21 03:59:16 PM  

jshine: udhq: Beeblebrox: udhq: Phil Moskowitz: udhq: All spanking did to me was give me a seething hatred against idiots who need to use violence and fear to control their children, and a resolve to make sure that decision hurts my parents more than it ever did me.

Every couple of years when they try to reestablish contact with me and my family, I send them the same form letter that as a consequence of their actions, they will go to their graves without ever having met their grandchildren.

I admire and respect that level of spite. I have a parent I'm trolling the obits for myself.

It's absolutely not spite, not really even anger. They're pretty much non people to me at this point.

Well, that and I'm EXTREMELY protective of my kids. I almost feel sorry for the boys who are going to try and take my daughters out on dates later on...

Are you planning on controlling those boys through violence and fear?

I'm a nonviolent man. But fear, you bet your ass I'm going to make everyone I can afraid to hurt one of my girls.

...and you believe that any boy who wants to take one of your daughters on a date intends to hurt her?  That seems awfully misanthropic & paranoid.


You'll understand when you have kids.
 
2013-10-21 04:01:45 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Nobody shot up schools when everybody got their ass whupped for misbehaving.


Bath township, Michigan would like to have a word with you.

/48 dead
//1927
 
2013-10-21 04:05:27 PM  

mediablitz: I've said it many times: If you have to spank a 3-5 year old, you are the loser. You have to actually put in WORK to raise good kids. Lazy parents spank because they are lazy.


I agree. A baseball bat or a two-by-four coupled with a practiced swing makes all the difference in the world.

And I am at work so I cannot post the Cyanide and Happiness comic with the women beating another ladies' child.  Someone help a Farker out.
 
2013-10-21 04:08:17 PM  

TNel: TheYeti: My daughter is too young for that whole thing just yet, but I have several friends that operate pretty much as above and it seems to work. I have never once seen any of the kids make it to five and have to get spanked.

If you do use the countdown method make sure you follow through and don't do the 3, 2, 1.5, 1, .5, .25 BS.  3,2,1,0 discipline.  My wife can't figure out why the counting works for me but not here when she's done counting she just starts again or yells at them to do what she had said.


The things you say in this thread are pretty much the sorts of things would I expect to hear from the guy who said in a previous thread that the 2 happiest weeks of your year are the weeks you spend away from your family.
 
2013-10-21 04:39:26 PM  
When your only tool is spanking, everything looks like an ass.
 
2013-10-21 05:24:15 PM  

js34603: What I don't get is why stop with kids? If spanking is such effective discipline let's start spanking adults. That'll learn 'em.

Missed your work deadline? Time for a spanking.

Speeding? Get my belt.

DUI? You best believe that's a paddling.

Once you spank them a couple times, they'll never commit another crime or miss a deadline.


When one of my employees missed their deadline through goofing around I took away their iPhone, made then stand in the corner of my office for an hour and told them they weren't allowed to go home and see their friends for a week.

Funny - that didn't go down to well either.
 
2013-10-21 05:33:22 PM  
Many of you are blessing us with the benefit of your theoretical parenting skills, and for that, I award you all one million theoretical dollars.  Be careful not to spend it all on hookers and blow.

Those of you from the "my parents spanked me and I hate them with the fury of a thousand men" camp should probably seek counseling as you were very likely physically and emotionally abused and much of your behavior on Fark is now more understandable.

My children have received spankings in the past.  My oldest has not received one in several years and she is a well-adjusted, respectful, fun-loving teenager.  Now that she is older, the threat of loss of her tablet/computer/TV privileges has enough of an effect on her that no further actions are required.

My younger ones (my sons) still get a swat on rare occasions, but it's only after repeated warnings and loss of privileges. I don't think I've had to paddle either of them in over a year.  We don't use our hands; we use a small paddle that was cut from a piece of cedar 1X4.  It makes a lot of noise with very little force behind it.  Many of you have been hit harder playing a game of punch-buggy on car trips than our kids have been spanked (those of you with helicopter parents probably haven't).

When we punish our children, we are careful to explain that we love them but we don't accept wrong behavior.  Correction of any sort hurts their feelings, and occasionally their bottoms, but they have no doubt in their minds that they are loved.  They seek us out for hugs multiple times a day, and they often walk by the room where we are sitting or working and look in just to say they love us.

Those of you who are screaming "SPANKING IS CHILD ABUSE AND YOU OUGHT TO BE IMPRISONED" at your monitors won't understand any of this, and you are certain to respond with a predictable amount of wharrgarbl. That's ok; freedom of speech entitles you to be as verbose in your errant opinions as you care to be.
 
2013-10-21 06:36:34 PM  
Participants: The Fragile Families and Child Wellbeing Study, the people who did the study even mention on their website that "The Fragile Families and Child Wellbeing Study is following a cohort of nearly 5,000 children born in large U.S. cities between 1998 and 2000 (roughly three-quarters of whom were born to unmarried parents). We refer to unmarried parents and their children as "fragile families" to underscore that they are families and that they are at greater risk of breaking up and living in poverty than more traditional families. "

Measure: "In the past month, have you spanked (child) because (he/she) was misbehaving or acting up?" The parent's responses were coded as no spanking in the past month, spanking once a week or less, and spanking twice or more each week." Asking about months and coding to weeks? And why not keep the original number? Continuous variables are harder to fudge by piling a lot of people in one category?

The model trying to predict rule breaking and aggression with only spanking has an R2 of 0.04. They need to add family situation to get to 0.10, maternal mental health en cognition to get to 0.14 and behaviour before age 3 to get to 0.23.

For vocabulary they start at 0.031 with spanking only and go to 0.28, 0.30 and 0.38 by adding family and child characteristics, maternal health and cognition, and scores before age 3 respectively.

We have a worthless methodology applied to a group of people of whom 75% are "at risk" and we are then making general statements based on that? And the spanking only model has an R2 of a mere 0.04? I'm not buying the conclusions of this article.
 
2013-10-21 06:53:39 PM  
Spanking is assault and battery on a child, and should be punished accordingly, as a violent felony.
 
2013-10-21 07:04:40 PM  

udhq: In the end, I lead a happy, healthy, totally nonviolent and successful life.

All spanking did to me was give me a seething hatred against idiots who need to use violence and fear to control their children, and a resolve to make sure that decision hurts my parents more than it ever did me.

Every couple of years when they try to reestablish contact with me and my family, I send them the same form letter that as a consequence of their actions, they will go to their graves without ever having met their grandchildren.

I urge all children of spankers to do the same.


Lol, unless they were abusing you (like actually abusing you, not the 'spank = abuse' bs) you have some serious issues which are completely unrelated to the topic at hand.
 
2013-10-21 07:09:03 PM  

steve42: Many of you are blessing us with the benefit of your theoretical parenting skills, and for that, I award you all one million theoretical dollars.  Be careful not to spend it all on hookers and blow.

Those of you from the "my parents spanked me and I hate them with the fury of a thousand men" camp should probably seek counseling as you were very likely physically and emotionally abused and much of your behavior on Fark is now more understandable.

My children have received spankings in the past.  My oldest has not received one in several years and she is a well-adjusted, respectful, fun-loving teenager.  Now that she is older, the threat of loss of her tablet/computer/TV privileges has enough of an effect on her that no further actions are required.

My younger ones (my sons) still get a swat on rare occasions, but it's only after repeated warnings and loss of privileges. I don't think I've had to paddle either of them in over a year.  We don't use our hands; we use a small paddle that was cut from a piece of cedar 1X4.  It makes a lot of noise with very little force behind it.  Many of you have been hit harder playing a game of punch-buggy on car trips than our kids have been spanked (those of you with helicopter parents probably haven't).

When we punish our children, we are careful to explain that we love them but we don't accept wrong behavior.  Correction of any sort hurts their feelings, and occasionally their bottoms, but they have no doubt in their minds that they are loved.  They seek us out for hugs multiple times a day, and they often walk by the room where we are sitting or working and look in just to say they love us.

Those of you who are screaming "SPANKING IS CHILD ABUSE AND YOU OUGHT TO BE IMPRISONED" at your monitors won't understand any of this, and you are certain to respond with a predictable amount of wharrgarbl. That's ok; freedom of speech entitles you to be as verbose in your errant opinions as you care to be.


Your tone needs a good beating to death.
 
2013-10-21 07:29:42 PM  

thurstonxhowell: mafiageek1980: Secondly, I'm sure if EVERY kid who got spanked and turned violent, crime would be a HELL of a lot worse than it already is.

You're absolutely right. In a similar vein, some people who smoke never get lung cancer. Therefore, smoking and lung cancer can't be linked.

What's that, no one said that everybody who smokes gets lung cancer? Interesting, that. Now, back to the topic of all of those many people who said that every child who is spanked turned violent.


That's the thing that I think is missing from these studies:  spanking means very different things in households.  I know some parents use it as a primary punishments and others who only bring it out for egregious stuff.  Some try to inflict as much pain as possible some merely use enough to get the point across.  Some parents even make the kids take down their pants.

I think the outcome would vary wildly based on how and when the punishment was administered so to do a study without taking into account all of those variable it's pretty flawed.
 
2013-10-21 08:05:59 PM  

thurstonxhowell: steve42: Many of you are blessing us with the benefit of your theoretical parenting skills, and for that, I award you all one million theoretical dollars.  Be careful not to spend it all on hookers and blow.

Those of you from the "my parents spanked me and I hate them with the fury of a thousand men" camp should probably seek counseling as you were very likely physically and emotionally abused and much of your behavior on Fark is now more understandable.

My children have received spankings in the past.  My oldest has not received one in several years and she is a well-adjusted, respectful, fun-loving teenager.  Now that she is older, the threat of loss of her tablet/computer/TV privileges has enough of an effect on her that no further actions are required.

My younger ones (my sons) still get a swat on rare occasions, but it's only after repeated warnings and loss of privileges. I don't think I've had to paddle either of them in over a year.  We don't use our hands; we use a small paddle that was cut from a piece of cedar 1X4.  It makes a lot of noise with very little force behind it.  Many of you have been hit harder playing a game of punch-buggy on car trips than our kids have been spanked (those of you with helicopter parents probably haven't).

When we punish our children, we are careful to explain that we love them but we don't accept wrong behavior.  Correction of any sort hurts their feelings, and occasionally their bottoms, but they have no doubt in their minds that they are loved.  They seek us out for hugs multiple times a day, and they often walk by the room where we are sitting or working and look in just to say they love us.

Those of you who are screaming "SPANKING IS CHILD ABUSE AND YOU OUGHT TO BE IMPRISONED" at your monitors won't understand any of this, and you are certain to respond with a predictable amount of wharrgarbl. That's ok; freedom of speech entitles you to be as verbose in your errant opinions as you care to be.

Your tone needs a good beating to death.


You heard my tone through the Internet? That's awesome.

Fortunately, I'm capable of distinguishing your ITG statement from an actual threat, because that might be considered harassment. See how free speech works?
 
2013-10-21 11:59:16 PM  

Beeblebrox: Ain't nobody got time for that.  My dad saved it all up each night.  I deserved almost all of them and got away with a lot more.  Either that or my parents were just tired of it by then since I'm the youngest of 4 boys.

Mom used Hotwheels track to beat us.  I want to form a support group.


Heh. My brothers and I used to hit each other with Hot Wheels tracks. Mom & Dad whupped our asses with a belt when we acted up. Mom couldn't hit us very hard, and we always laughed and said, "Oooh, you're tickling me!" whenever she tried. Dad, however, could deliver a pretty good wallop with said belt.

I can think of only one time that I got the belt when I didn't deserve it. That was when Younger Brother stuck pins in his hand and said that I did it. When Dad finally got the truth out of him, Younger Brother got the butt-whuppin of all butt-whuppins.

All three of us attended college, and none of us became violent criminals.

The_Sponge: No, proper spanking is not abuse.

/Hated it when I was a kid.
//Told myself I would never do it as a parent.
///But now that I'm older and I see so many kids acting like little shiats, I would properly do it if I became a father.
////Was spanked and ended up just fine.


There was a time when I thought that perhaps Dad went a little overboard with the spankings (if one of us dared to act up in public, we got the belt right then and there. 'Twas usually Younger Brother; Older Brother and I knew better), but that changed after I became an adult. I hate shopping during the day because there are so many unsupervised, undisciplined kids running around whose parents don't give a damn about their public behavior; you can tell that they've never spanked their kids.

A few years ago, I took my mom to a Mervyn's store to do some shopping. She was looking at clothes in the Women's section when she was knocked down by two girls (probably around 9 - 11) who were running around the store. Mom is an elderly woman who uses a cane. I helped her get up, then yelled at and went after the girls. They ran to their mother, who yelled at me for yelling at her kids. A store employee finally came over to sort things out (by then, there was a small crowd of people gathered around). The girls' mother said that the kids were "just playing;" I said, "THIS IS A STORE, NOT A PLAYGROUND!" All of us were asked to leave the store (which Mom & I did, gladly. I never went to that place again). Neither the biatch nor her spawn apologized for knocking my mother to the ground. I should've grabbed Mom's cane and beat the little shiats.
 
2013-10-22 03:29:38 AM  

FatherChaos: I think spanking is much more humane than doing this to a child.


Bought one of those for my godson. Little bugger knows not to wander off, and the parents know exactly where he is. Good thing it's still in good nick; they're having another kid...and they picked the name "Jace."

/That is not a real name, god damn it...
 
2013-10-22 03:32:59 AM  
I was spanked as a child. I can remember being spanked as young as 3, and I turned out great: multiple degrees, reasonably stable, depressed as all hell, but more or less average.

My eldest brother got it in his kids' heads quick: misbehave, you get spanked. Took maybe until each kid was 1 1/2 before they only needed a warning before straightening up. I hope I have that kind of success with my own (future, adopted) son.
 
2013-10-22 03:38:41 AM  

The_Sponge: Day_Old_Dutchie: Well, lookey here, y'all

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http://pcclib10afall2012burton.pbworks.com/w/page/60375707/Kellee%20 In gram


CSB:

It used to be allowed at my elementary school (in WA) back in 1985.  However, the principal would call the parents for permission first.

/Once asked my Mom if she would give said permission.
//She said yes.
///Fortunately, I never got into that level of trouble at school.


CSB:

My (Catholic) elementary school sent out a form every year asking if parents wanted the school to use corporal punishment, and my mother never said yes. I finally asked my mother last year why, and she said "If a son of mine did something so stupid as to warrant corporal punishment, why the f*** am I gonna let a school take that fun away from me?"
 
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