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2013-10-21 01:25:27 PM
I've said it many times: If you have to spank a 3-5 year old, you are the loser. You have to actually put in WORK to raise good kids. Lazy parents spank because they are lazy.
 
2013-10-21 01:32:04 PM
And if you dont discipline them, you get the young generations of today.
 
2013-10-21 01:32:14 PM
i.qkme.me
 
2013-10-21 01:33:24 PM
I have to paddle my secretary with a yardstick occasionally - but that is because she does not know how to collate properly.
 
2013-10-21 01:33:36 PM
www.operationsports.com

/Hawt like Spanking little girls.
 
2013-10-21 01:34:04 PM

mediablitz: I've said it many times: If you have to spank a 3-5 year old, you are the loser. You have to actually put in WORK to raise good kids. Lazy parents spank because they are lazy.


Oversimplification.
 
2013-10-21 01:35:44 PM

mediablitz: I've said it many times: If you have to spank a 3-5 year old, you are the loser. You have to actually put in WORK to raise good kids. Lazy parents spank because they are lazy.


Nothing screams lazy like smacking someone.  I mean when I'm lounging around the house instead of cleaning I get up and spank my wife because that's what you do when your lazy.

Jesus not this shiat again really?  Can we have a tipping thread next?
 
2013-10-21 01:35:55 PM
You mean using violence and aggression to get children to obey might teach them to use violence and aggression to get others to obey them?
 
2013-10-21 01:36:06 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: [i.qkme.me image 512x384]


Can anybody spare a rod?
 
2013-10-21 01:36:27 PM
What about spanking somebody else's child. My neighbor's daughter certainly needs it, prancing around in that cheerleader uniform.
 
2013-10-21 01:37:07 PM

Best Princess Celestia: And if you dont discipline them, you get the young generations of today.


Yes, it's a good idea to project your failings onto an entire generation of people, and think that violence directed at children magically transforms into discipline, in direct contradiction to the quite serious evidence presented in the article.

Discipline is having a set bedtime.  Spankings are immature overreaction by parents who should-not-be.
 
2013-10-21 01:37:17 PM

brimed03: mediablitz: I've said it many times: If you have to spank a 3-5 year old, you are the loser. You have to actually put in WORK to raise good kids. Lazy parents spank because they are lazy.

Oversimplification.


He is somewhat right. The problem is that spanking quickly becomes the one size cuts all thing to any problems. It gets too easy to just spank. Spanking should be held when nothing else works and as a threat . I feared a spankingbas a kid even though I only got ot like three times.
 
2013-10-21 01:38:03 PM
I can think of only a few times I was spanked and I did deserve it. It was only used as a last measure after everything else had failed. And I was a little ahole that was always pushing the limits.
 
2013-10-21 01:38:26 PM
Study says spanking your child could lead to future aggression

That just means that you didn't get out all of your aggression the first time.
 
2013-10-21 01:39:12 PM
"Researchers found that maternal spanking at age 5 was significantly associated with greater aggression and rule-breaking as well as lower scores on vocabulary tests at age 9.
Fathers' spanking at age 5 was associated with lower vocabulary scores at age 9, according to the research."

This is not the same as spanking makes kids aggressive.
 
2013-10-21 01:40:27 PM
I've found spanking to be a fantastic deterrent... Just knowing that it is an option, albeit the final option, is enough for my kids to behave...

/kinda like nukes.
 
2013-10-21 01:40:31 PM

ikanreed: Discipline is having a set bedtime.


Discipline is between two consenting adults.  Spanking is only one part of it.
 
2013-10-21 01:43:15 PM

TNel: "Researchers found that maternal spanking at age 5 was significantly associated with greater aggression and rule-breaking as well as lower scores on vocabulary tests at age 9.
Fathers' spanking at age 5 was associated with lower vocabulary scores at age 9, according to the research."

This is not the same as spanking makes kids aggressive.

 
2013-10-21 01:43:49 PM

thurstonxhowell: TNel: "Researchers found that maternal spanking at age 5 was significantly associated with greater aggression and rule-breaking as well as lower scores on vocabulary tests at age 9.
Fathers' spanking at age 5 was associated with lower vocabulary scores at age 9, according to the research."

This is not the same as spanking makes kids aggressive.

 
2013-10-21 01:44:00 PM

Best Princess Celestia: And if you dont discipline them, you get the young generations of today.


How terrible.

Record low crime rate, pregnancy, drug overdose deaths, etc.

How truly terrible today's youth are compared to those of generations past.
 
2013-10-21 01:44:02 PM
"Beat your kids twice a day. If you don't know why, they do."
--My Dad
 
2013-10-21 01:45:17 PM

groppet: I can think of only a few times I was spanked and I did deserve it. It was only used as a last measure after everything else had failed. And I was a little ahole that was always pushing the limits.


So...you were an ahole who was "always" pushing limits.  Therefore, since you were "always" pushing limits, the spankings really didn't do anything to change your bad behavior pattern. You continued to push limits, even after being spanked. Thus, an ineffective punishment.
 
2013-10-21 01:45:35 PM

ikanreed: Best Princess Celestia: And if you dont discipline them, you get the young generations of today.

Yes, it's a good idea to project your failings onto an entire generation of people, and think that violence directed at children magically transforms into discipline, in direct contradiction to the quite serious evidence presented in the article.

Discipline is having a set bedtime.  Spankings are immature overreaction by parents who should-not-be.


What failings?  I think I turned out pretty well compared to my generation.
 
2013-10-21 01:47:03 PM
b-b-but that one Farker always says that ADHD and every other behavior issue you could name is nothing more than kids not getting spanked enough...
 
2013-10-21 01:47:10 PM
spanking shouldn't be about punishment.  spanking should be about getting a kid's attention when nothing else will work. The punishment comes after when they realize what they've done.
 
2013-10-21 01:47:54 PM

TNel: thurstonxhowell: TNel: "Researchers found that maternal spanking at age 5 was significantly associated with greater aggression and rule-breaking as well as lower scores on vocabulary tests at age 9.
Fathers' spanking at age 5 was associated with lower vocabulary scores at age 9, according to the research."

This is not the same as spanking makes kids aggressive.


Right, so father's can spank away as long as they don't mind their kids being monosyllabic. Mothers better cut it out though, those little dummies will be right bastards if she does the same.
 
2013-10-21 01:47:56 PM

ikanreed: Best Princess Celestia: And if you dont discipline them, you get the young generations of today.

Yes, it's a good idea to project your failings onto an entire generation of people, and think that violence directed at children magically transforms into discipline, in direct contradiction to the quite serious evidence presented in the article.

Discipline is having a set bedtime.  Spankings are immature overreaction by parents who should-not-be.


^this

That being said, the article is stupid. Spanking kids does not lead them to be violent adults. That notion is just plain stupid.

/won't ever spank my future kids
//Getting spanked did nothing for me as a kid but make me FEAR my parents
///nor did washing my mouth out with soap. I still have a filthy farking mouth as an adult ;)
////SLASHIES IN CAPS
 
2013-10-21 01:49:08 PM

brimed03: mediablitz: I've said it many times: If you have to spank a 3-5 year old, you are the loser. You have to actually put in WORK to raise good kids. Lazy parents spank because they are lazy.

Oversimplification.


Simplified, maybe, but I'm not sure we need The Mediablitz 300 Page Text Book Guide to Correcting Children's Behavior.  But I hope the first chapter says something to the effect of how parents mistake the idea of correcting a child's behavior versus simply physically harming their child because they take misbehavior personally.  With the former, yes, you're misguided and lazy for striking a 3-5 year old, as there are better ways to get a child's attention and teach them how to properly behave and react.  With the latter, you're just a gutless f*ck.

/and , yes, that last part may also be oversimplified, as I'm sure some people have kids who do indeed get the better of their patience and create a reaction they both regret.
 
2013-10-21 01:49:47 PM

mafiageek1980: That being said, the article is stupid. Spanking kids does not lead them to be violent adults. That notion is just plain stupid.


Yeah, I sure will take your bald assertion over the data in the paper.

mafiageek1980: //Getting spanked did nothing for me as a kid but make me FEAR my parents


Especially when you say something like that. I mean, obviously a kid who is afraid of his own parents could never lash out at anyone else. That's just plain common sense.
 
2013-10-21 01:49:54 PM

highendmighty: Englebert Slaptyback: [i.qkme.me image 512x384]

Can anybody spare a rod?


dry or lubed?
 
2013-10-21 01:50:44 PM
mafiageek1980:

That being said, the article is stupid. Spanking kids does not lead them to be violent adults. That notion is just plain stupid.

/won't ever spank my future kids
//Getting spanked did nothing for me as a kid but make me FEAR my parents
///nor did washing my mouth out with soap. I still have a filthy farking mouth as an adult ;)
////SLASHIES IN CAPS


I'm not so sure about that. There has been significant research which shows that for a certain percentage of kids (about 30%), spanking really does lead to violent, anti-social behavior as adults. Maybe your kid will be in the lucky 70% group. But I wouldn't be willing to take that chance.
 
2013-10-21 01:51:22 PM
I think either you guys are over complicating the issue or over simplifying the issue. My parents raised 6 of us and were of the opinion that the reason children had buttocks was for spanking. Now here's the thing: my parents NEVER abused us and they weren't lazy about parenting all of us. We all grew up as close to normal as human beings can become, none of us are criminals, all of us are intelligent and have above average vocabularys. So much for bullshiat data that can be manipulated any way that the researcher desires. After observing the behavior of many children between the ages of 9 and 19 today...ass busting is not a bad idea and might have had really good results in curbing the violent disrepectful dumb as shiat tendencies they already display.
 
2013-10-21 01:51:47 PM
All of the information in the article is contained within the abstract. The study is not about the link between spanking as a form of discipline and aggressive behavior; an instrument on aggression is included to compare with data from metaanalyses referenced in the study, but the study was concerned with influences on cognitive development, maternal versus paternal spanking being a factor, and longitudinal influences of previously observed effects. In the opening statements of the study, the researchers note the link has been established, and therefore note what this study is meant to add to the body of research. No one would bother to publish this study if the purpose was to find a link between spanking and future aggression because this would add nothing to the body of research.
 
2013-10-21 01:51:51 PM
Also as for this study, why don't these people do their own research instead of just taking someone elses 13 year old data and then make new assumptions.  It took 4 PhDs to extract that data and put it into a chart format?
 
2013-10-21 01:52:08 PM

mafiageek1980: ikanreed: Best Princess Celestia: And if you dont discipline them, you get the young generations of today.

Yes, it's a good idea to project your failings onto an entire generation of people, and think that violence directed at children magically transforms into discipline, in direct contradiction to the quite serious evidence presented in the article.

Discipline is having a set bedtime.  Spankings are immature overreaction by parents who should-not-be.

^this

That being said, the article is stupid. Spanking kids does not lead them to be violent adults. That notion is just plain stupid.

/won't ever spank my future kids
//Getting spanked did nothing for me as a kid but make me FEAR my parents
///nor did washing my mouth out with soap. I still have a filthy farking mouth as an adult ;)
////SLASHIES IN CAPS


And the fear didn't keep you in line? Though the whole cursing thing is just a natural part of adulthood but other things that are classified as 'just being a dick'.
 
2013-10-21 01:52:09 PM
Resorting to punishment is rejection of discipline. Learn the difference and stop harmimg people.
 
2013-10-21 01:52:12 PM

thurstonxhowell: TNel: "Researchers found that maternal spanking at age 5 was significantly associated with greater aggression and rule-breaking as well as lower scores on vocabulary tests at age 9.
Fathers' spanking at age 5 was associated with lower vocabulary scores at age 9, according to the research."

This is not the same as spanking makes kids aggressive.


Obviously when kids are aggressive it just makes you want to hit them more. This article is just trying to blame people like us!!
 
2013-10-21 01:52:42 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: [i.qkme.me image 512x384]


They soon after enrolled Ned in the University of Wisconsin Spankological Protocol
 
2013-10-21 01:52:57 PM
Researchers found that maternal spanking at age 5 was significantly associated with greater aggression and rule-breaking as well as lower scores on vocabulary tests at age 9.
Fathers' spanking at age 5 was associated with lower vocabulary scores at age 9, according to the research.


Meh. How many words do most people need to know anyway? It's not like they're going to need them to express ideas. Just basic animal wants and needs. All they really require is a few distinguishable grunts.
What did it do to math scores?
 
2013-10-21 01:53:03 PM
www.examiner.com
 
2013-10-21 01:53:46 PM

Corn_Fed: groppet: I can think of only a few times I was spanked and I did deserve it. It was only used as a last measure after everything else had failed. And I was a little ahole that was always pushing the limits.

So...you were an ahole who was "always" pushing limits.  Therefore, since you were "always" pushing limits, the spankings really didn't do anything to change your bad behavior pattern. You continued to push limits, even after being spanked. Thus, an ineffective punishment.


Well I only had to be spanked three times and the thought of that stuck with me as a grew up to become a mostly non ahole. Yeah I still ddi things to get into trouble and was punished when I was caught but like a poster said spanks were like nukes, used only as a last option. Like when I was warned not to play with fireworks over and over and even grounded and yet I still did. After a spanking not so much.
 
2013-10-21 01:54:10 PM
Seriously, all you "anti-spanking" people must not have kids. Let the childless dictate parenting, no wonder this current generation of kids are fat, bullied, Nintendo-playing chumps.

I speak from experience on this, as my step-son Kody used to be one of 'em. Little shiat had all the latest games and would still smart mouth his mom and I. That came to a stop after I showed him the belt a few times and cut the wire on his game. Now all he's says is "yes sir" or "no sir" and he spends about half the day out in the woods hunting and skinning squirrels.

The only thing we had to discipline him for recently was taking his buck knife to school, but it was an honest mistake on his part and he owned up to it.

Bottom line is my daddy spanked me and I turned out fine, and now I spank my son and it's done a world of good for that boy.
 
2013-10-21 01:55:05 PM

barefoot in the head: Resorting to punishment is rejection of discipline. Learn the difference and stop harmimg people.


Well, humans do respond to positive and negative reinforcement, but raising a child shouldn't be done with the same intent as domesticating a dog.

//Also, I've never seen anyone who hits a dog raise a particularly friendly dog, only cowardly or aggressive.
 
2013-10-21 01:56:44 PM

Nana's Vibrator: you're misguided and lazy for striking a 3-5 year old, as there are better ways to get a child's attention and teach them how to properly behave and react.


Very true.

doggonest.com

I know that it has a picture of a dog on it, but they work on kids, too...
 
2013-10-21 01:57:14 PM
I am firmly in the anti-spanking group. That said, if you're going to have clearly communicated rules for your child and spank them as punishment then go ahead because I think spanking or no spanking as long as the communication is clear and there is punishment/rewards the kid will learn the same thing.

All that said these kinds of studies are terrible. Maybe children who are spanked have more aggression because:
-they are more aggressive which frustrates their parents which leads the parents to spanking as a last resort
-the child is genetically more aggressive and the genetically more aggressive parent has a tendency to spank
-the parents have to discipline more because they have ineffective parenting techniques. Ineffective parenting techniques also lead to the child being aggressive.
-reporting bias
-the few parents who do abuse their children are all spankers which skews the whole thing

People who are going to make huge sweeping conclusions like "Children are bad because they aren't spanked." clearly don't care about science. Further, anyone who uses any version of "Kids these days" have completely lost my attention as soon as they say that phrase. I know a bunch of teachers, and although we mock teachers non-stop, they are supposed to be the experts in teaching/disciplining children. There is no current school of thought that teaches them to spank. So there is that.
 
2013-10-21 01:57:18 PM

thurstonxhowell: mafiageek1980: That being said, the article is stupid. Spanking kids does not lead them to be violent adults. That notion is just plain stupid.

Yeah, I sure will take your bald assertion over the data in the paper.

mafiageek1980: //Getting spanked did nothing for me as a kid but make me FEAR my parents

Especially when you say something like that. I mean, obviously a kid who is afraid of his own parents could never lash out at anyone else. That's just plain common sense.


First off, I'm not bald, lol!
Secondly, I'm sure if EVERY kid who got spanked and turned violent, crime would be a HELL of a lot worse than it already is. There are a lot of "old school" parents out there who spanked their kids but I am pretty damn sure not ALL of them turned out to be violent.
Thirdly, That was my OWN experience, not everyones. And yes, some kids DO lash out at their parents who spank them. Just as I'm sure some kids who DIDN'T get spanked did the same.

I am no expert by any means, but the study seems a bit short-sided by not doing a wider study, perhaps maybe a larger # of people. Just my 2 cents.
 
2013-10-21 01:59:53 PM
I also question how only having to be spanked once or twice proves anything. I mean, on a day to day basis your caretakers were using OTHER METHODS to get you to cooperate. Maybe they motivated you with rewards. Maybe they punished you with threats. But instead of concluding that being motivated with rewards is most important you conclude that spanking is most important.
 
2013-10-21 01:59:57 PM
I think spanking is much more humane than doing this to a child.
bios.weddingbee.com
 
2013-10-21 02:00:24 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I spank my son and it's done a world of good for that boy


It's not dicipline if you dim the lights and put on a Barry White CD.
 
2013-10-21 02:00:37 PM
I really feel like the whole anti-spanking movement is motivated by emotion, not empirical data.  Having said that, I know there is no shortage of studies that conclude 'spanking is bad' but after actually reading some (not just the news summary, the actual paper) it left me going, 'Ummm.....seriously?'

There has been a tiny bit of press about Sweden and their spanking policies.  Back in like 1980 - Sweden made it illegal to spank a child - I believe they were one of the first countries to do so.  Interestingly though, they haven't seen any of the positives from not spanking.  Crime went up, child abuse went up, physical violence between children went up....

Anti-spanking advocates will say, 'Umm, well, now people report when a child beats up another child'.  I'm not so sure I believe that.  Also the rates are pretty staggering....but you'll have to dig a bit to find them.  Most write-ups on their 30-year anniversary of the no-spanking laws just kinda mention it or gloss over it.

Since the spanking ban, child abuse rates in Sweden have exploded over 500 percent, according to police reports. Even just one year after the ban took effect, and after a massive government public education campaign, Fuller found that "not only were Swedish parents resorting to pushing, grabbing, and shoving more than U.S. parents, but they were also beating their children twice as often."

"Enlightened" parenting also seems to have produced increased violence later. "Swedish teen violence skyrocketed in the early 1990s, when children that had grown up entirely under the spanking ban first became teenagers," Fuller noted. "Preadolescents and teenagers under fifteen started becoming even more violent toward their peers. By 1994, the number of youth criminal assaults had increased by six times the 1984 rate."
 
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