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(ESPN)   Reggie Wayne is done for the season after tearing his ACL, bringing the Week 7 Done for the Season Injury Bloodbath to approximately 112 players   (espn.go.com) divider line 102
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2013-10-21 01:11:51 PM
I've lost 4 of my first 5 picks. Worst year ever...
 
2013-10-21 01:15:14 PM
"We hate to lose anybody, but this one stings," Pagano said. "You just don't replace guys like 87. But he'll be back, I know how he's wired. I know how his DNA is.

"After the conversation I just had with him, wait and see. We'll all put on the clothes for Reggie and we'll help him get it back," Pagano said.


So ... Pagano has a crush on Reggie and wants to man nurse him back to health. Got it.
 
2013-10-21 01:27:41 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but that sounds like two full rosters of guys gone before even half of the regular season.  I think that while the athletes are getting bigger, stronger, and faster the reality is that brains, bones, ligaments and tendons are still made of the same old-school materials and are wilting under the strain.
 
2013-10-21 01:28:53 PM
yeah it was pretty bad yesterday.  cushing, cutler, finley, wayne, bradford....yeesh.

i thought i saw a pretty bad helmet-to-helmet in Chiefs/Titans, off a punt or some such.  Chief caught the ball, got CRACKED by a texan, and on replay it seemed HtH.  wonder if that gets flagged.

Pats have to be kicking htemselves.  They gave that game away.  Gronk was ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh so very close to housing it, on a one-hand catch he just missed.  the penalty seemed kinda weak sauce but, they let that one slip away.  also loved that one replay of Brady after a crucial missed catch, screaming "CATCH THE farkING BALL!"  that was funny.
 
2013-10-21 01:33:24 PM
As far as Wayne is concerned - that's the one game the had to win this year and he gave his body up for it.  Nobody gives a shiat from here on out in Indy.  They proved getting rid of Manning was the right thing to do.
 
2013-10-21 01:35:06 PM

rickythepenguin: i thought i saw a pretty bad helmet-to-helmet in Chiefs/Titans, off a punt or some such. Chief caught the ball, got CRACKED by a texan, and on replay it seemed HtH. wonder if that gets flagged.


That was the Titans punter laying on the hit. I don't think he counts...
 
2013-10-21 01:36:13 PM

rickythepenguin: the penalty seemed kinda weak sauce but, they let that one slip away.


At least the penalty wasn't a "if it weren't for that we would have won it" situation.  If it weren't for that call, they'd remain in overtime... period.

bradkanus: As far as Wayne is concerned - that's the one game the had to win this year and he gave his body up for it.  Nobody gives a shiat from here on out in Indy.  They proved getting rid of Manning was the right thing to do.


Yes but there is this whole "playoff" thing in the NFL.
 
2013-10-21 01:42:55 PM

mediablitz: That was the Titans punter laying on the hit. I don't think he counts...



no, i know what hit you're talking about, but it wsan't that one.

the freakign chiefs are 7-0.  wow.

who would have thought that through week 7, the Chefs would be undefetaed and NYG winless?
 
2013-10-21 01:47:27 PM
Yeah, looks like it was a fortunate time to have a bye week, Saints, lol.

rickythepenguin: also loved that one replay of Brady after a crucial missed catch, screaming "CATCH THE farkING BALL!" that was funny.


I really appreciated the "Son of a biatch, COME ON!" yell that was evident at one point following a drop.

factoryconnection: rickythepenguin: the penalty seemed kinda weak sauce but, they let that one slip away.

At least the penalty wasn't a "if it weren't for that we would have won it" situation.  If it weren't for that call, they'd remain in overtime... period.


Too bad we didn't all find out the existence of this rule last week when they did it then too, haha.  Oh well.
 
2013-10-21 01:50:26 PM

rickythepenguin: mediablitz: That was the Titans punter laying on the hit. I don't think he counts...


no, i know what hit you're talking about, but it wsan't that one.

the freakign chiefs are 7-0.  wow.

who would have thought that through week 7, the Chefs would be undefetaed and NYG winless?


Denver is now a wild card team, lol...
 
2013-10-21 02:00:19 PM

mediablitz: rickythepenguin: mediablitz: That was the Titans punter laying on the hit. I don't think he counts...


no, i know what hit you're talking about, but it wsan't that one.

the freakign chiefs are 7-0.  wow.

who would have thought that through week 7, the Chefs would be undefetaed and NYG winless?

Denver is now a wild card team, lol...


Denver might be more dangerous as a wild card team, if they can get some away games in domes. If my sources are right, Manning is 0-4 in playoff games played below 40 degrees.
Unfortunately for them, Indy looks like the only dome they might get.
 
2013-10-21 02:04:16 PM

robsul82: I really appreciated the "Son of a biatch, COME ON!" yell that was evident at one point following a drop.


i didn't see that one but yeah, there were a number of shots of Brady yelling at pepole, on the field and sideline.  and a shot of i think Logan Mankins destroying the O-line.

geno had that stupid INT but, man, the young fella made some big league throws (and runs) yesterday.  65,000 people shouting "GENO, GENO, GENO!" kinda says it all.


mediablitz: Denver is now a wild card team, lol...


yeah, crazy.

cool season though.  some new blood coming up and some traditional strong teams foundering.
 
2013-10-21 02:08:20 PM

rickythepenguin: yeah it was pretty bad yesterday.  cushing, cutler, finley, wayne, bradford....yeesh.


Bengals lost Leon Hall for the season to an Achilles as well.
 
2013-10-21 02:21:10 PM
Yet Goodell wants an 18 game season...
 
2013-10-21 02:21:34 PM
I still don't understand how Charles' hit on Cushing was legal. He dropped to his knees and went straight for Cushing's legs. I didn't think they could do that.

/Cushing's got a broken fibula and torn LCL
 
2013-10-21 02:23:02 PM

Rwa2play: Yet Goodell wants an 18 game season...


With a 52 man roster for each team.
 
2013-10-21 02:23:29 PM
Foster is out. Schaub is out. Pick 6 streak is over. Bud Adams is dead.

Houston fans must be weeping and laughing at the same time.
 
2013-10-21 02:24:13 PM

factoryconnection: Forgive my ignorance, but that sounds like two full rosters of guys gone before even half of the regular season.  I think that while the athletes are getting bigger, stronger, and faster the reality is that brains, bones, ligaments and tendons are still made of the same old-school materials and are wilting under the strain.


Time for DARPA to start working on the Weapon X program.
 
2013-10-21 02:26:24 PM

tricycleracer: factoryconnection: Forgive my ignorance, but that sounds like two full rosters of guys gone before even half of the regular season.  I think that while the athletes are getting bigger, stronger, and faster the reality is that brains, bones, ligaments and tendons are still made of the same old-school materials and are wilting under the strain.

Time for DARPA to start working on the Weapon X program.


Or start making HGH and steroids mandatory.
 
2013-10-21 02:26:35 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Foster is out. Schaub is out. Pick 6 streak is over. Bud Adams is dead.

Houston fans must be weeping and laughing at the same time.


Luckily we've got the bye week which should give Foster time to heal that hamstring.

I say keep Schaub out even if he's healthy and let Keenum play. The kid did pretty damn good for his first professional game ever, especially going against one of the best defenses in the league.
 
2013-10-21 02:28:50 PM

rickythepenguin: Titans, off a punt or some such. Chief caught the ball, got CRACKED by a texan, and on replay it seemed HtH. wonder if that gets flagged.


TEXANS
FINED


scottydoesntknow: understand how Charles' hit on Cushing was legal. He dropped to his knees and went straight for Cushing's legs. I didn't think they could do that.


i watched the game, but missed that play.  i saw the aftermath when they were working on him on the sideline, but can't say it if wsa dirty or not.  i did see charles apologize via twitter and cushing respond, saying it was a clean nfl hit, so....
 
2013-10-21 02:31:29 PM

rumpelstiltskin: mediablitz: rickythepenguin: mediablitz: That was the Titans punter laying on the hit. I don't think he counts...


no, i know what hit you're talking about, but it wsan't that one.

the freakign chiefs are 7-0.  wow.

who would have thought that through week 7, the Chefs would be undefetaed and NYG winless?

Denver is now a wild card team, lol...

Denver might be more dangerous as a wild card team, if they can get some away games in domes. If my sources are right, Manning is 0-4 in playoff games played below 40 degrees.
Unfortunately for them, Indy looks like the only dome they might get.


I'm a Denver fan and I can tell you that the NFL caught onto Denver during the Jags game.  Oddly enough, if you just farking cover Denver receivers they won't be wide open.  When they are covered Manning is useless.  Fox is a pussy who still tries to run at least one down in four, so it's a throw away effort.   Add any other factor like weather or karma into the mix and Denver is done.

Whatever Dumberville wanted - should have been paid.
 
2013-10-21 02:32:15 PM
Not that it matters much but Doug Martin is out for the rest of the season as well.
 
2013-10-21 02:32:46 PM

rickythepenguin: scottydoesntknow: understand how Charles' hit on Cushing was legal. He dropped to his knees and went straight for Cushing's legs. I didn't think they could do that.

i watched the game, but missed that play. i saw the aftermath when they were working on him on the sideline, but can't say it if wsa dirty or not. i did see charles apologize via twitter and cushing respond, saying it was a clean nfl hit, so....


Yea, I just read that. I have a lot of respect for Charles and Cushing. And looking at it, it was a cut block, not a chop. Legal, but man I can see that move ruining a lot of other players seasons too.
 
2013-10-21 02:34:32 PM
Am I the only one who thought Manning injured his shoulder last night? He was on the sidelines throwing and grimacing in the 3rd quarter, then had a LOT of wobbly, zip lacking passes the rest of the game.

Also, Denver's O-line is questionable at best.
 
2013-10-21 02:36:15 PM

roflmaonow: Not that it matters much but Doug Martin is out for the rest of the season as well.


I'm seriously down to Aaron Rodgers and Eric Decker from my oringinally drafted team. Randall Cobb, Reggie Wayne, Stephen Jackson, hell I've forgotten 2 more. Was playing Martin because of the other RB I lost.
 
2013-10-21 02:36:19 PM
Wayne is out, Cutler is out, Bradford is out... I haven't seen carnage like this since the Great Trampoline Disaster of '93!

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2013-10-21 02:36:51 PM

scottydoesntknow: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Foster is out. Schaub is out. Pick 6 streak is over. Bud Adams is dead.

Houston fans must be weeping and laughing at the same time.

Luckily we've got the bye week which should give Foster time to heal that hamstring.

I say keep Schaub out even if he's healthy and let Keenum play. The kid did pretty damn good for his first professional game ever, especially going against one of the best defenses in the league.


Schaub?  His being out is one of the good things.  Never let him back on the field.

Forgot about Bum dying, too.  Now it's all sad.
 
2013-10-21 02:40:19 PM
Briggs has a fractured shoulder too.
 
2013-10-21 02:42:33 PM
http://instagram.com/p/ft08Y_otLZ/#

Vontae was upset at hearing that Aaron Rodgers went out with a groin injury.
 
2013-10-21 02:43:03 PM
I noticed that the term 'concussion' has been replaced by "head injury" when sports guys on tv talk about concussions.

/bs
 
2013-10-21 02:43:42 PM
I traded romo and Martin las week for Rodgers and spiller.

I kept thinking, Martin can't take that much abuse. He just cant
 
2013-10-21 02:44:16 PM

mediablitz: Am I the only one who thought Manning injured his shoulder last night? He was on the sidelines throwing and grimacing in the 3rd quarter, then had a LOT of wobbly, zip lacking passes the rest of the game.

Also, Denver's O-line is questionable at best.


Ya, he landed hard on his throwing shoulder just before that. I guess he managed to work it out, but I am sure he is paying for that even more than normal today.
 
2013-10-21 02:50:00 PM

bradkanus: Oddly enough, if you just farking cover Denver receivers they won't be wide open.


You don't say.
 
2013-10-21 02:50:42 PM

mediablitz: Am I the only one who thought Manning injured his shoulder last night? He was on the sidelines throwing and grimacing in the 3rd quarter, then had a LOT of wobbly, zip lacking passes the rest of the game.


I was thinking the same thing.
 
2013-10-21 02:51:22 PM
Packers seem to be gearing up for a Super Bowl run:

2010 IR at the end of the season -

Ryan Grant
JerMichael Finley
Mark Tauscher
Brady Poppinga
Nick Barnett
Brandon Chillar
Brad Jones
Morgan Burnett

2013 through week 7-

RB DuJuan Harris, LB Robert Francois, OL Greg Van Roten, and T Bryan Bulaga on injured reserve
Placed T Derek Sherrod and DE Jerel Worthy on the PUP list
Placed WR Randall Cobb on injured reserve-return
JerMichael Finley in ICU for observation
James Starks, Nick Perry, and Clay Matthews out for 4+ weeks
 
2013-10-21 02:52:22 PM
Ban knees.
 
2013-10-21 02:56:36 PM

roc6783: Packers seem to be gearing up for a Super Bowl run:

2010 IR at the end of the season -

Ryan Grant
JerMichael Finley
Mark Tauscher
Brady Poppinga
Nick Barnett
Brandon Chillar
Brad Jones
Morgan Burnett

2013 through week 7-

RB DuJuan Harris, LB Robert Francois, OL Greg Van Roten, and T Bryan Bulaga on injured reserve
Placed T Derek Sherrod and DE Jerel Worthy on the PUP list
Placed WR Randall Cobb on injured reserve-return
JerMichael Finley in ICU for observation
James Starks, Nick Perry, and Clay Matthews out for 4+ weeks


More like;

Packers are gearing up for a SB run:

Bears have no Jay Cutler.
The Vikings suck this year.
The Lions are the Lions.

Division is already won 7 weeks in.

Congrats.
 
2013-10-21 02:58:16 PM
1-5 going into the week, pulled the trigger on a trade to mix things up a bit: Megatron for Doug Martin.

By now you know how that worked out for me.
 
2013-10-21 03:03:38 PM
Everyone talking about Denver being a wild card team needs to remember that KC has played the easiest schedule thus far. KC could easily lose 4 of their last 7 games, including 2 to Denver. And Indy now without Wayne and a questionable run game to begin with isn't a lock either.
 
2013-10-21 03:05:42 PM
Oh this week isn't over either. Tonight's game features an rb with an injury, another with a surgically repaired knee, and a kicker who has been hurt.
 
2013-10-21 03:05:56 PM

GoldSpider: 1-5 going into the week, pulled the trigger on a trade to mix things up a bit: Megatron for Doug Martin.

By now you know how that worked out for me.


One guy in my league did Moreno for Juilo jones during the time Jones was getting his second opinion.
 
2013-10-21 03:07:50 PM

roc6783: Packers seem to be gearing up for a Super Bowl run:

2010 IR at the end of the season -

Ryan Grant
JerMichael Finley
Mark Tauscher
Brady Poppinga
Nick Barnett
Brandon Chillar
Brad Jones
Morgan Burnett

2013 through week 7-

RB DuJuan Harris, LB Robert Francois, OL Greg Van Roten, and T Bryan Bulaga on injured reserve
Placed T Derek Sherrod and DE Jerel Worthy on the PUP list
Placed WR Randall Cobb on injured reserve-return
JerMichael Finley in ICU for observation
James Starks, Nick Perry, and Clay Matthews out for 4+ weeks


I was jokingly thinking the same thing. Especially with how sharp Rodgers looked with Boykin.

Wonder if Franklin is going to be used as the backfield receiver like jermichael.
 
2013-10-21 03:10:40 PM
The killings will continue until Tebow is signed....

Sincerely
God
 
2013-10-21 03:11:51 PM

Rwa2play: Yet Goodell wants an 18 game season...


Not one of these injuries was a CTE-related suicide, so what's the problem?
 
2013-10-21 03:37:42 PM

bradkanus: As far as Wayne is concerned - that's the one game the had to win this year and he gave his body up for it.  Nobody gives a shiat from here on out in Indy.  They proved getting rid of Manning was the right thing to do.


No one is this stupid.

Although I am waiting for Grigson to trade the 2015 1st rounder and this year's 2nd rounder for someone like Dwayne Bowe. Have to keep doubling down on idiotic trades to win.
 
2013-10-21 03:43:18 PM

GoldSpider: 1-5 going into the week, pulled the trigger on a trade to mix things up a bit: Megatron for Doug Martin.

By now you know how that worked out for me.


I was the guy reaping the benefits of the injuries until I lost 3 starters in the same week.
 
2013-10-21 03:46:05 PM
Doug Martin out for the season as well.

Not like he was doing much but I staked a huge part of my draft on him. Should have let him go I guess...
 
2013-10-21 03:49:16 PM
Losing both the defensive captain and offensive captain in the same day is a little pain for this Bears fan.  My only hope is that the offense gells around McClown and then falls appart when Jay comes back.  At least if that happens I can be entertained by the 670 crowd as they rip Jay a new one.
 
2013-10-21 03:54:31 PM

mediablitz: I've lost 4 of my first 5 picks. Worst year ever...


I had to cut apx 4 players that I took in the first 8ish rounds.  I should cut Amendola, but I have him on my roster for some reason.
 
2013-10-21 04:00:34 PM
Someone in my league has Bradford, Cobb, and Steven Jackson. Rough year.
 
2013-10-21 04:08:14 PM

The1andonlyZack: Everyone talking about Denver being a wild card team needs to remember that KC has played the easiest schedule thus far. KC could easily lose 4 of their last 7 games, including 2 to Denver. And Indy now without Wayne and a questionable run game to begin with isn't a lock either.


I'm assuming you are giving them Cleveland, Oakland and Washington.  You really don't think they'll beat Buffalo, too, and split the Denver and SD series?
 
2013-10-21 04:10:34 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: Packers seem to be gearing up for a Super Bowl run:

2010 IR at the end of the season -

Ryan Grant
JerMichael Finley
Mark Tauscher
Brady Poppinga
Nick Barnett
Brandon Chillar
Brad Jones
Morgan Burnett

2013 through week 7-

RB DuJuan Harris, LB Robert Francois, OL Greg Van Roten, and T Bryan Bulaga on injured reserve
Placed T Derek Sherrod and DE Jerel Worthy on the PUP list
Placed WR Randall Cobb on injured reserve-return
JerMichael Finley in ICU for observation
James Starks, Nick Perry, and Clay Matthews out for 4+ weeks

More like;

Packers are gearing up for a SB run:

Bears have no Jay Cutler.
The Vikings suck this year.
The Lions are the Lions.

Division is already won 7 weeks in.

Congrats.

 
2013-10-21 04:13:31 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: ***snip***

More like;

Packers are gearing up for a SB run:

Bears have no Jay Cutler.
The Vikings suck this year.
The Lions are the Lions.

Division is already won 7 weeks in.

Congrats.


I do not have the time or the energy to compile the stats and info, but how many teams match the success of the Packers over the last 20 years?  The Patriots come to mind, and maybe the Steelers and Giants.  The Ravens have been consistently decent after their first few seasons, but they haven't been around for 20 years.  I wonder how much of the Packers success has come from being in the NFL short bus division. Every once in a while, one of the window lickers figures it out, but come next season, whoosh...all gone.
 
2013-10-21 04:14:01 PM

The1andonlyZack: Everyone talking about Denver being a wild card team needs to remember that KC has played the easiest schedule thus far.


You're building up Denver and deriding KC using the schedule card?
 
2013-10-21 04:16:35 PM

The1andonlyZack: Everyone talking about Denver being a wild card team needs to remember that KC has played the easiest schedule thus far. KC could easily lose 4 of their last 7 games, including 2 to Denver. And Indy now without Wayne and a questionable run game to begin with isn't a lock either.


Can't speak for anyone else, but I mentioned it tongue in cheek. Alex Smith is looking Alex Smithy lately...
 
2013-10-21 04:28:15 PM
If the odds for the Rams going 3-13 are good I'm taking them.

/Rams fan
//gently sobbing
 
2013-10-21 04:30:14 PM

mediablitz: The1andonlyZack: Everyone talking about Denver being a wild card team needs to remember that KC has played the easiest schedule thus far. KC could easily lose 4 of their last 7 games, including 2 to Denver. And Indy now without Wayne and a questionable run game to begin with isn't a lock either.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I mentioned it tongue in cheek. Alex Smith is looking Alex Smithy lately...


All he has to do is continue to play up to Trent Dilfer level of play.  He puts up 17 and he's going to win 9 times out of 10.
 
2013-10-21 04:38:18 PM

roc6783: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: ***snip***

More like;

Packers are gearing up for a SB run:

Bears have no Jay Cutler.
The Vikings suck this year.
The Lions are the Lions.

Division is already won 7 weeks in.

Congrats.

I do not have the time or the energy to compile the stats and info, but how many teams match the success of the Packers over the last 20 years?  The Patriots come to mind, and maybe the Steelers and Giants.  The Ravens have been consistently decent after their first few seasons, but they haven't been around for 20 years.  I wonder how much of the Packers success has come from being in the NFL short bus division. Every once in a while, one of the window lickers figures it out, but come next season, whoosh...all gone.


Well basically any team that has had a legitimate franchise QB in the last twenty years. So in my lifetime (27 years), that's going to be the 49ers, Cowboys, Packers, Colts, Patriots, Steelers, and Ravens (no franchise QB). The giants are kind of on the bubble due to SBs, but they have had some god awful seasons in between. I might be missing a team, so someone feel free to fill in any I missed.
 
2013-10-21 04:39:17 PM

factoryconnection: Forgive my ignorance, but that sounds like two full rosters of guys gone before even half of the regular season.  I think that while the athletes are getting bigger, stronger, and faster the reality is that brains, bones, ligaments and tendons are still made of the same old-school materials and are wilting under the strain.


We have the technology...

/Or do we?
 
2013-10-21 04:39:19 PM
Meanwhile, 6-1 Denver just added Von Miller back, 6-1 Seattle will add Percy Harvin to the mix soon (not to mention getting Bobby Wagner, Russell Okung & Breno Giacomini back in the coming weeks too), and 5-2 San Francisco will look to add Michael Crabtree back later on this season.

/The Broncos dropped their 1st game with their best pass rusher back & the Pats got Gronk back and immediately dumped a game to the Jets, so I guess take those big additions with a grain of salt
 
2013-10-21 04:40:05 PM
I was grumpy that the raiders and saints both had a bye this week. Now not so much. Much better week to get healthy than to play in hindsight.

Speaking of getting injured though its part of playing football. Its going to happen. Also here arte players who get too aggressive in the heat of the moment and hurt others. This will happen. However there are some worse plqayers, really dirty players, who go that extra mile to try to  injure other players, just cuz they can. These kinds of players need be reined in or if they cannot be reined in they should be drummed out of the league Suh and Icognito Spring to to mind as two of the bad ones. And last night the Donkey's Vickerson joined Suh and Incognito by punching the Colts center Satele in his (already injured) knee while he was trapped underneath Vickerson

I wonder what happens to Vickerson over this?
 
2013-10-21 04:42:14 PM

roc6783: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: ***snip***

More like;

Packers are gearing up for a SB run:

Bears have no Jay Cutler.
The Vikings suck this year.
The Lions are the Lions.

Division is already won 7 weeks in.

Congrats.

I do not have the time or the energy to compile the stats and info, but how many teams match the success of the Packers over the last 20 years?  The Patriots come to mind, and maybe the Steelers and Giants.  The Ravens have been consistently decent after their first few seasons, but they haven't been around for 20 years.  I wonder how much of the Packers success has come from being in the NFL short bus division. Every once in a while, one of the window lickers figures it out, but come next season, whoosh...all gone.


Just look up teams that transitioned from Brett Favre to Aaron Rogers, that seems to help.

Bears were busy spending all their time and money on defense during that time and it's only worked once (almost 2 or 3 times) since the 80s.
 
2013-10-21 04:42:29 PM

mikaloyd: I was grumpy that the raiders and saints both had a bye this week. Now not so much. Much better week to get healthy than to play in hindsight.

Speaking of getting injured though its part of playing football. Its going to happen. Also here arte players who get too aggressive in the heat of the moment and hurt others. This will happen. However there are some worse plqayers, really dirty players, who go that extra mile to try to  injure other players, just cuz they can. These kinds of players need be reined in or if they cannot be reined in they should be drummed out of the league Suh and Icognito Spring to to mind as two of the bad ones. And last night the Donkey's Vickerson joined Suh and Incognito by punching the Colts center Satele in his (already injured) knee while he was trapped underneath Vickerson

I wonder what happens to Vickerson over this?


Don't forget Meriweather.
 
2013-10-21 04:44:14 PM

mikaloyd: I was grumpy that the raiders and saints both had a bye this week. Now not so much. Much better week to get healthy than to play in hindsight.

Speaking of getting injured though its part of playing football. Its going to happen. Also here arte players who get too aggressive in the heat of the moment and hurt others. This will happen. However there are some worse plqayers, really dirty players, who go that extra mile to try to  injure other players, just cuz they can. These kinds of players need be reined in or if they cannot be reined in they should be drummed out of the league Suh and Icognito Spring to to mind as two of the bad ones. And last night the Donkey's Vickerson joined Suh and Incognito by punching the Colts center Satele in his (already injured) knee while he was trapped underneath Vickerson

I wonder what happens to Vickerson over this?


Satele shouldn't have even been in the game. He's a bad enough center when he's healthy. He's god awful when he's playing hurt. He's proven that last year and this year.
 
2013-10-21 04:45:21 PM

roc6783: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: ***snip***

More like;

Packers are gearing up for a SB run:

Bears have no Jay Cutler.
The Vikings suck this year.
The Lions are the Lions.

Division is already won 7 weeks in.

Congrats.

I do not have the time or the energy to compile the stats and info, but how many teams match the success of the Packers over the last 20 years?  The Patriots come to mind, and maybe the Steelers and Giants.  The Ravens have been consistently decent after their first few seasons, but they haven't been around for 20 years.  I wonder how much of the Packers success has come from being in the NFL short bus division. Every once in a while, one of the window lickers figures it out, but come next season, whoosh...all gone.


Before the best part of the Aaron Rodgers' era, I remember a Football Outsiders look.  At the time their stats only went back into the early 90's, so it captured the Favre era.  It was Denver with the Elway/Terrell Davis era as the best team over that period, based DVOA (defense-adjusted value over average) though it could have been annual average or some cumulative look.
With the Rodgers era AND the Manning Denver resurgence, there might not be any big changes except that New England would probably be continuously creeping upwards.  And don't rule out Manning's Indianapolis era; while they had bad playoff runs, their regular season teams were nearly unbeatable.
 
2013-10-21 04:47:58 PM

Shame Us: Don't forget Meriweather.


I havent seen Brandon Meriweather play. Is he dirty more than just hard hitting and aggressive?
 
2013-10-21 04:48:59 PM

redmid17: Satele shouldn't have even been in the game. He's a bad enough center when he's healthy. He's god awful when he's playing hurt. He's proven that last year and this year.


So the knee punch was OK by you?
 
2013-10-21 04:49:11 PM

hermitage_deux: I noticed that the term 'concussion' has been replaced by "head injury" when sports guys on tv talk about concussions.

/bs


I would guess that it is largely due to the fact that everyone knows the concussion/PCS/CTE problem does not stem from the big hits that we see and are flagged/punished in the NFL's big dog-and-pony show but the constant little ones that the linemen and running backs take 40 times a game.

Then again, I still swear on everything that the farking ground is the reason for all of these players having head problems.
 
2013-10-21 04:52:47 PM

mikaloyd: redmid17: Satele shouldn't have even been in the game. He's a bad enough center when he's healthy. He's god awful when he's playing hurt. He's proven that last year and this year.

So the knee punch was OK by you?


Um no. I just didn't want Satele in. I thought I explained that adequately when I said "Satele shouldn't even have been in the game."
 
2013-10-21 04:57:34 PM

lecavalier: Then again, I still swear on everything that the farking ground is the reason for all of these players having head problems.


We should play football in space. You get a player moving in space and he becomes unstoppable
 
2013-10-21 04:58:37 PM

redmid17: mikaloyd: redmid17: Satele shouldn't have even been in the game. He's a bad enough center when he's healthy. He's god awful when he's playing hurt. He's proven that last year and this year.

So the knee punch was OK by you?

Um no. I just didn't want Satele in. I thought I explained that adequately when I said "Satele shouldn't even have been in the game."


I bet hes out now!
 
2013-10-21 04:59:37 PM

mikaloyd: Shame Us: Don't forget Meriweather.

I havent seen Brandon Meriweather play. Is he dirty more than just hard hitting and aggressive?


Meriweather might just be the first guy the players union refuses to advocate for if he continues playing like a dillhole. He tries to end careers with every hit.  I just keep hoping it's his own career when he breaks his neck while using his helmet as a weapon.
 
2013-10-21 04:59:46 PM

roc6783: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: ***snip***

More like;

Packers are gearing up for a SB run:

Bears have no Jay Cutler.
The Vikings suck this year.
The Lions are the Lions.

Division is already won 7 weeks in.

Congrats.

I do not have the time or the energy to compile the stats and info, but how many teams match the success of the Packers over the last 20 years?  The Patriots come to mind, and maybe the Steelers and Giants.  The Ravens have been consistently decent after their first few seasons, but they haven't been around for 20 years.  I wonder how much of the Packers success has come from being in the NFL short bus division. Every once in a while, one of the window lickers figures it out, but come next season, whoosh...all gone.


SB Winners In the last 20 years:

GB: 2
Ravens: 2
Dallas: 3
Broncos: 2
Giants: 2
Patriots: 3

So you are certainly on par with other teams that win SBs.

NFC North/Central Division winners:

Lions: 1
Bucs: 1
Vikings: 7
Bears: 4
Packers: 9

So no, not really. I mean, you have been better, no denying that with 2 more Divsional wins and 2 more superbowl wins over your nearest competitor. But the Vikings haven't just randomly popped up. The Bears maybe.... not us though. We just shiat the bed when it MATTERS normally. You know, the playoffs.
 
2013-10-21 05:00:28 PM

mikaloyd: Shame Us: Don't forget Meriweather.

I havent seen Brandon Meriweather play. Is he dirty more than just hard hitting and aggressive?


If there's been an NFL safety with less of a nose for the football, I'd like to know.  He's the opposite of (the artist formerly known as) Ed Reed.  Just completely lost out there and 5 steps away.  And yes, the guy who's 5 steps away but still makes a hit is dirty and a bit of a show boat.
 
2013-10-21 05:03:45 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: ***snip***

More like;

Packers are gearing up for a SB run:

Bears have no Jay Cutler.
The Vikings suck this year.
The Lions are the Lions.

Division is already won 7 weeks in.

Congrats.

I do not have the time or the energy to compile the stats and info, but how many teams match the success of the Packers over the last 20 years?  The Patriots come to mind, and maybe the Steelers and Giants.  The Ravens have been consistently decent after their first few seasons, but they haven't been around for 20 years.  I wonder how much of the Packers success has come from being in the NFL short bus division. Every once in a while, one of the window lickers figures it out, but come next season, whoosh...all gone.

SB Winners In the last 20 years:

GB: 2
Ravens: 2
Dallas: 3
Broncos: 2
Giants: 2
Patriots: 3

So you are certainly on par with other teams that win SBs.

NFC North/Central Division winners:

Lions: 1
Bucs: 1
Vikings: 7 6
Bears: 4
Packers: 9

So no, not really. I mean, you have been better, no denying that with  2 3 more Divsional wins and 2 more superbowl wins over your nearest competitor. But the Vikings haven't just randomly popped up. The Bears maybe.... not us though. We just shiat the bed when it MATTERS normally. You know, the playoffs.


COUNTING IS HARD.
 
2013-10-21 05:06:19 PM

mikaloyd: redmid17: mikaloyd: redmid17: Satele shouldn't have even been in the game. He's a bad enough center when he's healthy. He's god awful when he's playing hurt. He's proven that last year and this year.

So the knee punch was OK by you?

Um no. I just didn't want Satele in. I thought I explained that adequately when I said "Satele shouldn't even have been in the game."

I bet hes out now!


I mean I'm sure vickerson hits hard, but he doesn't seem like he'd be Tyson or someone.
 
2013-10-21 05:07:27 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Lions: 1
Bucs: 1
Vikings:  6
Bears: 4
Packers: 9

So no, not really. I mean, you have been better, no denying that with 2 3 more Divsional wins and 2 more superbowl wins over your nearest competitor. But the Vikings haven't just randomly popped up. The Bears maybe.... not us though. We just shiat the bed when it MATTERS normally. You know, the playoffs.

COUNTING IS HARD.


By my count thats still 21 NFCN champs in 20 years
 
2013-10-21 05:10:33 PM

redmid17: I mean I'm sure vickerson hits hard, but he doesn't seem like he'd be Tyson or someone.


Find out what he bench presses, divide it in half, and drop that much weight from 18 inches up on a hurt knee for approximation.
 
2013-10-21 05:18:44 PM

Nana's Vibrator: mikaloyd: Shame Us: Don't forget Meriweather.

I havent seen Brandon Meriweather play. Is he dirty more than just hard hitting and aggressive?

If there's been an NFL safety with less of a nose for the football, I'd like to know.  He's the opposite of (the artist formerly known as) Ed Reed.  Just completely lost out there and 5 steps away.  And yes, the guy who's 5 steps away but still makes a hit is dirty and a bit of a show boat.


In Brandon's defense I would like to point out that he is very, very, very, very, very stupid.
 
2013-10-21 05:18:48 PM

mikaloyd: Jim from Saint Paul: Lions: 1
Bucs: 1
Vikings:  6
Bears: 4
Packers: 9

So no, not really. I mean, you have been better, no denying that with 2 3 more Divsional wins and 2 more superbowl wins over your nearest competitor. But the Vikings haven't just randomly popped up. The Bears maybe.... not us though. We just shiat the bed when it MATTERS normally. You know, the playoffs.

COUNTING IS HARD.

By my count thats still 21 NFCN champs in 20 years


HARD. HARD I SAY.

That would mean we remove the 92 Vikes I think. Therefore making 5.

Therefore making roc alot more accurate.

...

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
2013-10-21 05:22:32 PM

factoryconnection: rickythepenguin: the penalty seemed kinda weak sauce but, they let that one slip away.

At least the penalty wasn't a "if it weren't for that we would have won it" situation.  If it weren't for that call, they'd remain in overtime... period.

bradkanus: As far as Wayne is concerned - that's the one game the had to win this year and he gave his body up for it.  Nobody gives a shiat from here on out in Indy.  They proved getting rid of Manning was the right thing to do.

Yes but there is this whole "playoff" thing in the NFL.


I'm told by a certain Farker that playoffs are a terrible thing anyway and we should base championships solely off the regular season.
 
2013-10-21 05:23:54 PM

mikaloyd: redmid17: I mean I'm sure vickerson hits hard, but he doesn't seem like he'd be Tyson or someone.

Find out what he bench presses, divide it in half, and drop that much weight from 18 inches up on a hurt knee for approximation.


In the 2005 combine he benched 375 when he weighed 301 Currently listed weight is 328 and he isnt a "fat" 328


Also, ironically, Vickerson is angry and temper tantrummy about the calls against him in the game.


After his second personal foul penalty Sunday night, both for removing his helmet, Vickerson steamed on the Denver Broncos' sideline, leaned over and punched an orange Gatorade cooler.
"When you get calls that don't go your way, you get cheap shots and [crap] like that, but still get called against you, what are you going to do then? You try to play through it," Vickerson told USA TODAY Sports. "But at the same time, it's frustrating, when you know you did everything right. You know what I mean?"
 
2013-10-21 05:24:47 PM

mikaloyd: redmid17: I mean I'm sure vickerson hits hard, but he doesn't seem like he'd be Tyson or someone.

Find out what he bench presses, divide it in half, and drop that much weight from 18 inches up on a hurt knee for approximation.


I saw the play. No way he can put all of his strength and weight into a punch from that angle. Either way, if you are in a position that someone punching the back of your knee can take you out of the game, you probably shouldn't be in the game in the first place. You are most likely playing at a level below that of your backup.

McGlynn, despite being the worst starting guard in the NFL, has been surprisingly competent at C the few times he's filled in for Satele. He did it a few games last year and two this year.
 
2013-10-21 05:32:52 PM

redmid17: mikaloyd: redmid17: I mean I'm sure vickerson hits hard, but he doesn't seem like he'd be Tyson or someone.

Find out what he bench presses, divide it in half, and drop that much weight from 18 inches up on a hurt knee for approximation.

I saw the play. No way he can put all of his strength and weight into a punch from that angle. Either way, if you are in a position that someone punching the back of your knee can take you out of the game, you probably shouldn't be in the game in the first place. You are most likely playing at a level below that of your backup.

McGlynn, despite being the worst starting guard in the NFL, has been surprisingly competent at C the few times he's filled in for Satele. He did it a few games last year and two this year.


Worth noting that Satele had missed a few plays with a knee issue earlier in the game. If Vickerson targeted a knee he knew was at least slightly injured with a dirty move after the play, he deserves to lose a gamecheck.
 
2013-10-21 05:40:13 PM

Shame Us: redmid17: mikaloyd: redmid17: I mean I'm sure vickerson hits hard, but he doesn't seem like he'd be Tyson or someone.

Find out what he bench presses, divide it in half, and drop that much weight from 18 inches up on a hurt knee for approximation.

I saw the play. No way he can put all of his strength and weight into a punch from that angle. Either way, if you are in a position that someone punching the back of your knee can take you out of the game, you probably shouldn't be in the game in the first place. You are most likely playing at a level below that of your backup.

McGlynn, despite being the worst starting guard in the NFL, has been surprisingly competent at C the few times he's filled in for Satele. He did it a few games last year and two this year.

Worth noting that Satele had missed a few plays with a knee issue earlier in the game. If Vickerson targeted a knee he knew was at least slightly injured with a dirty move after the play, he deserves to lose a gamecheck.


For sure. Honestly the least he should expect is a 1 game suspension. His personal foul on Luck was ticky tack to say the least, but getting 2 personal fouls in one game and knocking a player out of the game is not a recipe for success.
 
2013-10-21 05:40:51 PM

UNC_Samurai: I'm told by a certain Farker that playoffs are a terrible thing anyway and we should base championships solely off the regular season.



this could be played out pretty easily, but i wonder how many championships just within the last 20 years, if determined by regular season record and not this little thing called the "Super Bowl" would be out there?  obviously the Pats would have one more at least (2008), but the Pittsburgh won both without home field advantage, menaing they weren't even the best team in the AFC much less league....

i guess what i'm saying is a team like Demver probably has at least one championship (i think in 1997 or 1996 they were like, 14-2 but lost early in playoffs) and then  a few other teams don't have lombardi's period.
 
2013-10-21 05:45:20 PM

redmid17: Shame Us: redmid17: mikaloyd: redmid17: I mean I'm sure vickerson hits hard, but he doesn't seem like he'd be Tyson or someone.

Find out what he bench presses, divide it in half, and drop that much weight from 18 inches up on a hurt knee for approximation.

I saw the play. No way he can put all of his strength and weight into a punch from that angle. Either way, if you are in a position that someone punching the back of your knee can take you out of the game, you probably shouldn't be in the game in the first place. You are most likely playing at a level below that of your backup.

McGlynn, despite being the worst starting guard in the NFL, has been surprisingly competent at C the few times he's filled in for Satele. He did it a few games last year and two this year.

Worth noting that Satele had missed a few plays with a knee issue earlier in the game. If Vickerson targeted a knee he knew was at least slightly injured with a dirty move after the play, he deserves to lose a gamecheck.

For sure. Honestly the least he should expect is a 1 game suspension. His personal foul on Luck was ticky tack to say the least, but getting 2 personal fouls in one game and knocking a player out of the game is not a recipe for success.


3 personal fouls - or maybe 2.5. The 2nd helmet removal penalty was on a play where he and another Denver player were called for the same infraction. They never specified which was officially accepted and which was declined. Essentially, he was called for 45 yards worth of personal foul penalties within about 5 minutes of gametime.
 
2013-10-21 05:47:56 PM

rickythepenguin: UNC_Samurai: I'm told by a certain Farker that playoffs are a terrible thing anyway and we should base championships solely off the regular season.


this could be played out pretty easily, but i wonder how many championships just within the last 20 years, if determined by regular season record and not this little thing called the "Super Bowl" would be out there?  obviously the Pats would have one more at least (2008), but the Pittsburgh won both without home field advantage, menaing they weren't even the best team in the AFC much less league....

i guess what i'm saying is a team like Demver probably has at least one championship (i think in 1997 or 1996 they were like, 14-2 but lost early in playoffs) and then  a few other teams don't have lombardi's period.


In order for something like that to be viable, you'd have to have a greatly expanded season in which each team played each other team twice (home and away). Anyone up for smashing 62 games into a 6 month timeframe?
 
2013-10-21 05:47:57 PM

Shame Us: redmid17: Shame Us: redmid17: mikaloyd: redmid17: I mean I'm sure vickerson hits hard, but he doesn't seem like he'd be Tyson or someone.

Find out what he bench presses, divide it in half, and drop that much weight from 18 inches up on a hurt knee for approximation.

I saw the play. No way he can put all of his strength and weight into a punch from that angle. Either way, if you are in a position that someone punching the back of your knee can take you out of the game, you probably shouldn't be in the game in the first place. You are most likely playing at a level below that of your backup.

McGlynn, despite being the worst starting guard in the NFL, has been surprisingly competent at C the few times he's filled in for Satele. He did it a few games last year and two this year.

Worth noting that Satele had missed a few plays with a knee issue earlier in the game. If Vickerson targeted a knee he knew was at least slightly injured with a dirty move after the play, he deserves to lose a gamecheck.

For sure. Honestly the least he should expect is a 1 game suspension. His personal foul on Luck was ticky tack to say the least, but getting 2 personal fouls in one game and knocking a player out of the game is not a recipe for success.

3 personal fouls - or maybe 2.5. The 2nd helmet removal penalty was on a play where he and another Denver player were called for the same infraction. They never specified which was officially accepted and which was declined. Essentially, he was called for 45 yards worth of personal foul penalties within about 5 minutes of gametime.


Forgot about the double helmet removal. That's a pretty impressive streak though.
 
2013-10-21 05:58:09 PM

Shame Us: In order for something like that to be viable, you'd have to have a greatly expanded season in which each team played each other team twice (home and away).


i don't think you would have to, although i agree round robin is the only fair format that system would work.  i'm just saying, run 20 years of the NFL win totals, and crown that team the championship.  how different the totals would be.

i mean, how many times int he last maybe 5-6 years has the team with the best record not even made the Super Bowl?  it seems like the narrative from about 2009 on (plus or minus), was "the road warriors made it to the super bowl!"  by definition, tha tmeans fewer win totals in their own cnoference.
 
2013-10-21 06:14:51 PM

rickythepenguin: it seems like the narrative from about 2009 on (plus or minus),


The narrative about narratives being a thing wasnt even a narrative until after the first 4 games of the 2011 narrative. Now its part of the culture narrative of sports journalism in the National Football League.
 
2013-10-21 06:16:43 PM
Prior to narratives it was all about legacies.
 
2013-10-21 06:36:40 PM
Bet Veteran's Stadium Turf still has a higher per capita injury rate.
 
2013-10-21 06:42:42 PM

flynn80: Bet Veteran's Stadium Turf still has a higher per capita injury rate.


The Vets' reign as injury king has long past. It hasn't blown a knee out in over a decade.
 
2013-10-21 07:40:46 PM
If injuries keep coming at this pace the superbowl could end going to who ever can physically field a team.
 
2013-10-21 07:51:14 PM

asmodeus224: The killings will continue until Tebow is signed....

Sincerely
God


I made a similar joke in a thread two weeks ago. The evidence is mounting - God is PISSED that Tebow's been let go.
 
2013-10-21 08:10:02 PM
But destroying knees and other ligament-y joints doesn't give you concussions, so obviously Goodell's plan is working perfectly!

\thread tl;dr to see if I'm first or not
 
2013-10-22 02:48:11 PM

Nana's Vibrator: roc6783: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: ***snip***


Before the best part of the Aaron Rodgers' era, I remember a Football Outsiders look.  At the time their stats only went back into the early 90's, so it captured the Favre era.  It was Denver with the Elway/Terrell Davis era as the best team over that period, based DVOA (defense-adjusted value over average) though it could have been annual average or some cumulative look.
With the Rodgers era AND the Manning Denver resurgence, there might not be any big changes except that New England would probably be continuously creeping upwards.  And don't rule out Manning's Indianapolis era; while they had bad playoff runs, their regular season teams were nearly unbeatable.


Great, now I am going to want to look it up and you gave me the place to find it...if you give a Di a table, she may just want to chart it...
 
2013-10-22 02:53:34 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: SB Winners In the last 20 years:

GB: 2
Ravens: 2
Dallas: 3
Broncos: 2
Giants: 2
Patriots: 3

So you are certainly on par with other teams that win SBs.

NFC North/Central Division winners:

Lions: 1
Bucs: 1
Vikings: 7
Bears: 4
Packers: 9

So no, not really. I mean, you have been better, no denying that with 2 more Divsional wins and 2 more superbowl wins over your nearest competitor. But the Vikings haven't just randomly popped up. The Bears maybe.... not us though. We just shiat the bed when it MATTERS normally. You know, the playoffs.


You do get that calling the other teams in the NFC North window lickers was not in depth analysis, and was intended for humorous purposes only right?

Just like this.
 
2013-10-22 02:58:04 PM

roc6783: Great, now I am going to want to look it up and you gave me the place to find it...if you give a Di a table, she may just want to chart graf it...


//My sincerest apologies.

Jim from Saint Paul: mikaloyd: Jim from Saint Paul: Lions: 1
Bucs: 1
Vikings:  6
Bears: 4
Packers: 9

So no, not really. I mean, you have been better, no denying that with 2 3 more Divsional wins and 2 more superbowl wins over your nearest competitor. But the Vikings haven't just randomly popped up. The Bears maybe.... not us though. We just shiat the bed when it MATTERS normally. You know, the playoffs.

COUNTING IS HARD.

By my count thats still 21 NFCN champs in 20 years

HARD. HARD I SAY.

That would mean we remove the 92 Vikes I think. Therefore making 5.

Therefore making roc alot more accurate.

...

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻


Guess we found Josh Freeman's Fark handle.

//Should be a bed your cartoon is shiatting, rather than overthrowing that table.
 
2013-10-22 03:00:17 PM

roc6783: Guess we found Josh Freeman's Fark handle.

//Should be a bed your cartoon is shiatting, rather than overthrowing that table.


And I mean that in the most loving, respectful way possible.  I cannot stand your team, but you have always been a stand up, well informed fan.
 
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