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2013-10-21 02:18:07 PM
Each head of cattle emits between 250 and 300 liters of pure methane a day, enough energy to keep a refrigerator running for 24 hours.   You mean, one cow can fart enough methane to heat your house for a month?  250 liters is a lot of gas.
 
2013-10-21 02:19:51 PM
Well I found PETA's new giant poster picture.
 
2013-10-21 02:20:43 PM
Maybe they could get a few more cubic feet of methane if they beat it with a rake.  Seriously, does that device look like something out of the Saw films, or what?
 
2013-10-21 02:23:16 PM
Cow burps, my ass.
 
2013-10-21 02:23:16 PM

planes: Each head of cattle emits between 250 and 300 liters of pure methane a day, enough energy to keep a refrigerator running for 24 hours.   You mean, one cow can fart enough methane to heat your house for a month?  250 liters is a lot of gas.


And therein lies much of our problem. Americans LOVE their cow meat. Think about how much methane is being created.

/leaving rice paddies for another conversation
 
2013-10-21 02:25:56 PM
I'm picturing cows walking around with crazy methane-ingesting backpacks,  a la Dr Seuss
 
2013-10-21 02:27:05 PM
Holstein?  Only Angus ass gas for my vehicle.
 
2013-10-21 02:28:52 PM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-10-21 02:29:36 PM
RAT FARTS!!

www.sffl.comcastbiz.net
 
2013-10-21 02:29:59 PM

mediablitz: planes: Each head of cattle emits between 250 and 300 liters of pure methane a day, enough energy to keep a refrigerator running for 24 hours.   You mean, one cow can fart enough methane to heat your house for a month?  250 liters is a lot of gas.

And therein lies much of our problem. Americans LOVE their cow meat. Think about how much methane is being created.

/leaving rice paddies for another conversation


This article states methane is 23 times as bad as CO2.  I have read that number as high as 100.  One article I read said that in the original Kyoto accord they knew all the methane from rotting stuff, animals, people, etc on earth totaled a significantly greater impact on greenhouse gas than CO2 but reasoned it was less easy to "control" so determined not to limit it.  Presumably eating less meat and dairy would directly affect methane production.

/loves meat.
 
2013-10-21 02:30:31 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

Where this technology is ultimately headed...
 
2013-10-21 02:30:39 PM
Is this how the matrix begins?
 
2013-10-21 02:32:17 PM

brandent: mediablitz: planes: Each head of cattle emits between 250 and 300 liters of pure methane a day, enough energy to keep a refrigerator running for 24 hours.   You mean, one cow can fart enough methane to heat your house for a month?  250 liters is a lot of gas.

And therein lies much of our problem. Americans LOVE their cow meat. Think about how much methane is being created.

/leaving rice paddies for another conversation

This article states methane is 23 times as bad as CO2.  I have read that number as high as 100.  One article I read said that in the original Kyoto accord they knew all the methane from rotting stuff, animals, people, etc on earth totaled a significantly greater impact on greenhouse gas than CO2 but reasoned it was less easy to "control" so determined not to limit it.  Presumably eating less meat and dairy would directly affect methane production.

/loves meat.


"The Kyoto Protocol was drawn up with the long term as the primary focus. In essence, the protocol assumes that what we really need to worry about is the climate in a century's time, not today. This was hardly a considered decision: in fact it happened almost by accident, because of the way the protocol lumps together the six different greenhouse gases covered by its rules. Each of these gases has a different greenhouse potency and spends a different amount of time in the atmosphere. CO2 sticks around for about a century. Methane, the second most important greenhouse gas, generally lasts in the atmosphere for about a decade. But while it's there it is many times more potent.

The protocol's emissions targets lump together the six different gases and compare their relative warming effect over a period of a century. This "hundred-year rule" has the effect of downgrading the importance of methane, and giving only small credit to countries that try to cut methane emissions.

As it is drafted under the "hundred year rule", the protocol gives a country that reduces its methane emissions by a tonne 20 times as much credit as for reducing CO2 emissions by a tonne. That reflects the relative importance of the gases over a hundred-year time frame. If the protocol had instead adopted a 20-year time frame, methane would have got 60 times as much credit, tonne for tonne, as CO2. Countries would have had much more incentive to cut methane emissions, whether from the guts of cows, leaking pipelines or fermenting landfill sites. "

It is 100 times worse but for 1/5th the time so therefore 20 I guess.

http://www.earthorganization.org/articles/Library/THE_POLITICS_OF_CL IM ATE_CHANGE_EXPLAINED/default.aspx
 
2013-10-21 02:33:05 PM

mediablitz: planes: Each head of cattle emits between 250 and 300 liters of pure methane a day, enough energy to keep a refrigerator running for 24 hours.   You mean, one cow can fart enough methane to heat your house for a month?  250 liters is a lot of gas.

And therein lies much of our problem. Americans LOVE their cow meat. Think about how much methane is being created.

/leaving rice paddies for another conversation


and garbage heaps
 
2013-10-21 02:33:39 PM

planes: 250 liters is a lot of gas.


It works out to 8.8 cubic feet, 8800 BTU. Or 0.25 m3, 0.0092 GJ in real units (using conversion factors from here). A small furnace might use 45,000 BTU per hour, so you're going to need a lot of cows to heat your house for a month.
 
2013-10-21 02:34:19 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: Is this how the matrix begins?


it would have been easier for the machines, which makes you wonder

cows are low maintenance compared to humans
 
2013-10-21 02:34:33 PM
The marketing could write itself:

Get Mooooving America!
 
2013-10-21 02:34:48 PM
I have a dream.

Of nice clean electric sheep. To Hell with coal-burning cows. They are filthy and stupid. Also, they tend to explode. Once one goes, the whole herd goes. Roast beef and flaming chunks of coal everywhere. What a mess. It's a disgrace and it shouldn't be allowed.

What?

Never mind.
 
2013-10-21 02:37:01 PM

brantgoose: I have a dream.

Of nice clean electric sheep.

...


Are you an android?
 
2013-10-21 02:37:17 PM

StrikitRich: Holstein?  Only Angus ass gas for my vehicle.


Pfft, I only put high grade Hereford in my ride..so much better then that cheap Angus crap...

/that's right, I'm a beef cattle breed fanboy
 
2013-10-21 02:40:35 PM

Burr: StrikitRich: Holstein?  Only Angus ass gas for my vehicle.

Pfft, I only put high grade Hereford in my ride..so much better then that cheap Angus crap...

/that's right, I'm a beef cattle breed fanboy


Pfffffffft. Kobe cows only, plebeian.
 
2013-10-21 02:41:01 PM

planes: Each head of cattle emits between 250 and 300 liters of pure methane a day, enough energy to keep a refrigerator running for 24 hours.   You mean, one cow can fart enough methane to heat your house for a month?  250 liters is a lot of gas.


No, not really. 250 liters of gaseous methane is a lot less burnable material than a much denser 250 liters of fuel-oil or gasoline.
A liter of fuel-oil (which is really just diesel fuel) is worth about 35000 BTU worth of heat. A liter of methane should be about 275 BTU worth of heat.

One cow-fart-day worth of heat energy should be about 75000BTU (a little more than 2 liters or very roughly 2/3 of a gallon of "heating oil").

/Cow-fart-day should be an official measurement of potential heat energy.
//That that, British Thermal Units!
 
2013-10-21 02:41:58 PM
European peasants used to bring their livestock and fowl into their huts. Or else they would keep them in a stable or penthouse (lean-to in this case, not luxury apartment on the roof) attached to the cottage. I imagine this solved the problem of winter fuel fairly easily, although the air must have been almost impossible to breath.

The heat of the animals, and the methane would passively heat the cabin, while the fuel for cooking fires would be close at hand in the form of dung.

Gads, it must have stunk. Perhaps the peasants more than their livestock. But it was economical and that's why they did it. They couldn't afford to lose all that heat to a detached barn, which they couldn't afford to build.
 
2013-10-21 02:42:26 PM
The look on the cow's face says it all.
 
2013-10-21 02:43:51 PM
Sounds like my options at the bars this past weekend.
 
2013-10-21 02:45:06 PM

rockforever: Well I found PETA's new giant poster picture.

techgeek07: The look on the cow's face says it all.


No kidding.  Sick.   Why not just use those 'farm' pictures from the Matrix?
 
2013-10-21 02:45:29 PM

mediablitz: planes: Each head of cattle emits between 250 and 300 liters of pure methane a day, enough energy to keep a refrigerator running for 24 hours.   You mean, one cow can fart enough methane to heat your house for a month?  250 liters is a lot of gas.

And therein lies much of our problem. Americans LOVE their cow meat. Think about how much methane is being created.

/leaving rice paddies for another conversation


Cattle have basically replaced bison on a 1:1 basis. There are currently around 90 million head of cattle in the US, with the 1800-era bison numbering around 60 million. Bison, on average, are larger than cows.

So the American Plains have always supported around the present number of large, methane-producing bovines.
 
2013-10-21 02:47:11 PM
They're getting methane from the burps?  So cows burp farts?  Huh, it must be a ruminant thing.
 
2013-10-21 02:54:31 PM
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2013-10-21 02:58:24 PM
media3.s-nbcnews.com

"I could have given milk the rest of my life without knowing what "INTA" stands for."
 
2013-10-21 02:58:50 PM

Burr: StrikitRich: Holstein?  Only Angus ass gas for my vehicle.

Pfft, I only put high grade Hereford in my ride..so much better then that cheap Angus crap...

/that's right, I'm a beef cattle breed fanboy


Do you get driven around in a Limousin?

/thankyouverymuch
//tip your waiter
///try the veal
 
2013-10-21 02:59:52 PM
"Using a system of valves and pumps, the experimental technique developed by Argentina's National Institute of Agricultural Technology channels the digestive gases from bovine stomach cavities through a tube and into a tank. "

media3.s-nbcnews.com
Tube goes whar?!?
 
2013-10-21 03:01:31 PM
dilbert.com
 
2013-10-21 03:02:44 PM

solve4x: "Using a system of valves and pumps, the experimental technique developed by Argentina's National Institute of Agricultural Technology channels the digestive gases from bovine stomach cavities through a tube and into a tank. "

[media3.s-nbcnews.com image 480x360]
Tube goes whar?!?


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-21 03:03:33 PM

This text is now purple: mediablitz: planes: Each head of cattle emits between 250 and 300 liters of pure methane a day, enough energy to keep a refrigerator running for 24 hours.   You mean, one cow can fart enough methane to heat your house for a month?  250 liters is a lot of gas.

And therein lies much of our problem. Americans LOVE their cow meat. Think about how much methane is being created.

/leaving rice paddies for another conversation

Cattle have basically replaced bison on a 1:1 basis. There are currently around 90 million head of cattle in the US, with the 1800-era bison numbering around 60 million. Bison, on average, are larger than cows.

So the American Plains have always supported around the present number of large, methane-producing bovines.


Hmmm. Not sure this argument holds water (or methane). The Bison population got UP TO about 50 million. I took a few decades to get to that point.

We've been steady at 90 million or so for quite a few decades and the cow population worldwide is well over a billion.

I'd note that we have fewer cows in the US now than we did in the 50's and 60's
 
2013-10-21 03:15:55 PM
Dairies (at least the ones with smart owners) have been using methane to heat and even power their operations for many years.  All the waste is collected in a covered pond, the methane is collected and extracted and used to power generators or heaters or even vehicles around the dairy.

Dairy owner here locally has 4,000 head on a 100+ acre plot, runs the lights, pumps, coolers, damn near the whole place on cow shiat...
 
2013-10-21 03:17:29 PM
Could you imagine being the "technician" who has to collect these farts? And then being asked "So what do you do for a living"?
 
2013-10-21 03:19:56 PM

Vanity6: Could you imagine being the "technician" who has to collect these farts? And then being asked "So what do you do for a living"?


At least you're not the Jizzmopper or his assistant
 
2013-10-21 03:30:19 PM
This is not new.

Fair Oaks runs their trucks off of this, although it's not from "cow burps" or "cow farts" but from their poopie.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/28/us/dairy-finds-way-to-let-cows-pow er -trucks.html?_r=0
 
2013-10-21 03:31:08 PM

Vanity6: Could you imagine being the "technician" who has to collect these farts? And then being asked "So what do you do for a living"?


I knew a guy who's job was to collect bull sperm that was sold for a shiat-ton of money a unit (basically a test tube's worth).  He had to "stimulate" the bull before hooking up the jizz jug thing.  We gave him a lot of shiat over it, but he got paid pretty well, so it was no big deal to him.
 
2013-10-21 03:31:29 PM
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2013-10-21 03:33:07 PM

ProfessorTomoe: solve4x: "Using a system of valves and pumps, the experimental technique developed by Argentina's National Institute of Agricultural Technology channels the digestive gases from bovine stomach cavities through a tube and into a tank. "

[media3.s-nbcnews.com image 480x360]
Tube goes whar?!?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x565]


I see what you did there the cow ate
 
2013-10-21 03:44:46 PM

mediablitz: This text is now purple: mediablitz: planes: Each head of cattle emits between 250 and 300 liters of pure methane a day, enough energy to keep a refrigerator running for 24 hours.   You mean, one cow can fart enough methane to heat your house for a month?  250 liters is a lot of gas.

And therein lies much of our problem. Americans LOVE their cow meat. Think about how much methane is being created.

/leaving rice paddies for another conversation

Cattle have basically replaced bison on a 1:1 basis. There are currently around 90 million head of cattle in the US, with the 1800-era bison numbering around 60 million. Bison, on average, are larger than cows.

So the American Plains have always supported around the present number of large, methane-producing bovines.

Hmmm. Not sure this argument holds water (or methane). The Bison population got UP TO about 50 million. I took a few decades to get to that point.

We've been steady at 90 million or so for quite a few decades and the cow population worldwide is well over a billion.

I'd note that we have fewer cows in the US now than we did in the 50's and 60's


I would also hesitate on accepting that bison produce significantly more methane than cattle due to the fact that cattle have been bred for centuries to increase their food consumption.

Not to mention that the world extends beyond the US. Just because Americans aren't the worst offender doesn't mean there isn't a potential issue.

And even if bovine methane emissions haven't increased, there is no reason to not see them as an opportunity to offset other increases in greenhouse gases.
 
2013-10-21 05:26:07 PM
I've got a lot of cows and I can tell you this qualifies as Epic Stupid way above Dumb and Dumber
 
2013-10-21 07:10:38 PM

Clemkadidlefark: I've got a lot of cows and I can tell you this qualifies as Epic Stupid way above Dumb and Dumber


The massive contraption they used? Sure.

It was a proof of concept and an attempt to make a point more than anything practical.

Practical applications out in the field would be difficult (having the cows carry tanks and have to swap them out), but I could see them coming up with something to hook up to dairy cattle which spend a considerable amount of time standing in one place in high tech barns. Maybe your cows can power their own milking machinery and refridgeration.
 
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