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(The New York Times)   "Building the Battle Room" for the upcoming Ender's Game. Or, the alternate title: "One More Goddamn Thing the Purist Nerds Will Whine About, Even Though It Looks Way Better Than The Original Concept From The Book"   (nytimes.com) divider line 162
    More: Cool, whines, Battle Room, purists, Hailee Steinfeld, Gavin Hood, Ender Wiggin, Orson Scott Card, nerds  
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2013-10-21 11:22:32 AM
Or, alternatively, "Another article trying to create buzz for a movie that no self-respecting person should watch because the author has revealed himself to be a monstrous ass whose uneducated viewpoints should not be rewarded in any way."
 
2013-10-21 11:30:21 AM

Pocket Ninja: Or, alternatively, "Another article trying to create buzz for a movie that no self-respecting person should watch because the author has revealed himself to be a monstrous ass whose uneducated viewpoints should not be rewarded in any way."


Enjoy your boycott.  I'll be watching the movie, along with everyone else that couldn't give two shiats about the personal views of some idiot author.
 
2013-10-21 11:31:29 AM

Pocket Ninja: Or, alternatively, "Another article trying to create buzz for a movie that no self-respecting person should watch because the author has revealed himself to be a monstrous ass whose uneducated viewpoints should not be rewarded in any way.  And also, the book isn't that good and is terribly overrated."


As a giant nerd who found that book when I was 12, it was an eye-opening experience. I read it cover to cover so many times the binding broke. Then I grew up, and honestly, it simply doesn't capture me the same way. Ender is such an absurd character. The plot is very contrived. It's just... I don't remember it fondly, anymore.
 
2013-10-21 11:33:32 AM
Oh, it's not a boycott, I wouldn't have watched it anyway. Personally, I tried to read Ender's Game as a kid and thought it was stupid then. Finding out that the author is such a jackass is just icing.
 
2013-10-21 11:47:13 AM

devildog123: Pocket Ninja: Or, alternatively, "Another article trying to create buzz for a movie that no self-respecting person should watch because the author has revealed himself to be a monstrous ass whose uneducated viewpoints should not be rewarded in any way."

Enjoy your boycott.  I'll be watching the movie, along with everyone else that couldn't give two shiats about the personal views of some idiot author.


Yeah, fark principles and shiat. That's for losers who don't like to reward assholes. \

/Off to go eat at David Duke's new restaurant.
 
2013-10-21 12:10:17 PM
I liked the book.

The kid looks like he is trying to hard to act in these trailers. I cant, so far, disassociate the actor from the part. So no money from me till RedBox or the cheap theater.
 
2013-10-21 12:13:10 PM

Pocket Ninja: Oh, it's not a boycott, I wouldn't have watched it anyway. Personally, I tried to read Ender's Game as a kid and thought it was stupid then. Finding out that the author is such a jackass is just icing.


Yet you hold up the author, rather than the work, as the reason others shouldn't watch. That sounds like a boycott to me.
 
2013-10-21 12:14:43 PM
If Subby is right, purists are idiots (as usual). The book, as it was written, could only be done as an animated film.

devildog123: Pocket Ninja: Or, alternatively, "Another article trying to create buzz for a movie that no self-respecting person should watch because the author has revealed himself to be a monstrous ass whose uneducated viewpoints should not be rewarded in any way."

Enjoy your boycott.  I'll be watching the movie, along with everyone else that couldn't give two shiats about the personal views of some idiot author.


Bingo. if I boycotted movies, books, sports, shows, or albums because I disagreed with a political view of the relevant director, producer, writer, athlete, or performer... my audiovisual entertainment would be limited to "crickets" and "ant farm."

I like the book and the movie looks like it will be entertaining. If you disliked the book or aren't interested in the movie trailer, skip the damn movie. But I'm pretty sure your gay friends aren't going to hate you for seeing a science fiction movie (based on a late-70s short story and containing no anti-gay rhetoric).
 
2013-10-21 12:14:51 PM
*looks at picture*

The entire point of the battleroom is a lack of orientation due to zero gravity with no orientation points, and Ender's solution to that problem. The earth is a bighuge orientation point.
 
2013-10-21 12:15:25 PM

devildog123: Pocket Ninja: Or, alternatively, "Another article trying to create buzz for a movie that no self-respecting person should watch because the author has revealed himself to be a monstrous ass whose uneducated viewpoints should not be rewarded in any way."

Enjoy your boycott.  I'll be watching the movie, along with everyone else that couldn't give two shiats about the personal views of some idiot author.


Who will benefit from your money and throw them after groups like NOM. Have fun supporting them.
 
2013-10-21 12:16:49 PM
I like the book and the sequel.  Lots of fun.
 
2013-10-21 12:17:04 PM

Pocket Ninja: Or, alternatively, "Another article trying to create buzz for a movie that no self-respecting person should watch because the author has revealed himself to be a monstrous ass whose uneducated viewpoints should not be rewarded in any way."


Hmm, you ever use a transistor?
 
2013-10-21 12:19:04 PM
Once - just once I'd like to watch a movie in a theatre WITHOUT the distracting squabbling (& smells) of a herd of nerds!
 
kab
2013-10-21 12:21:09 PM

Pocket Ninja: Or, alternatively, "Another article trying to create buzz for a movie that no self-respecting person should watch because the author has revealed himself to be a monstrous ass whose uneducated viewpoints should not be rewarded in any way."


You probably enjoy a lot of entertainment created by complete assholes.  They just hide it better.

Besides, you don't even need to go this far, as Ender's Game is pretty average fiction at best, and really not worth the accolades it receives.

*shrug*
 
2013-10-21 12:21:54 PM
I like the book.  No it is not literary genieus but that still puts it in the top 10% of the SciFi/Fantasy titles released in the past 30 years.  And, let us be honest here...very little (if any) of the SciFi from the last 30 years can be considered "Literary Genieus".

I will not be at the theater on opening day, or even opening week/month.  I will probably go and watch it at 3 in the afternoon sometime in December...

As for this boycott of OSC...he already has his money from this movie (He owns\owned the intelectual property and some producer/studio had to purchase it from him).  If the personal beliefs of the author really truely cause you to reconsider watching a particular movie\reading a book\watching a TV show...then you should just stay in a basement.  They all think you are an idiot for paying $13.00 to watch something when it is released instead of waiting 6 months and paying $1.25 to watch the same something.

And I do too...

:D
 
2013-10-21 12:22:36 PM
Oh waaaaaah.  People say things that I disagree with.  Waaaaah!
I'll boycott them.  Boo freakin' hoo.
 
2013-10-21 12:23:16 PM
I actually met OSC at a book signing (before I knew what his now-public personal views were), and he was very gracious and friendly.  I have friends and family whom I'd rather not have ANYONE know were in any way associated with me if their personal and political beliefs and views were made public.

Please don't get me wrong, I think his views on homosexuality are disgusting - but I also think the entire Ender's series is outstanding.  So I'm gonna go.  But I can't say that I blame you even a little if you don't want to put money in the pocket of someone with the opinions that he has.
 
2013-10-21 12:23:32 PM

clkeagle: Bingo. if I boycotted movies, books, sports, shows, or albums because I disagreed with a political view of the relevant director, producer, writer, athlete, or performer... my audiovisual entertainment would be limited to "crickets" and "ant farm."


Ditto.

There are a handful of actors who have made their political views such a public focus ("I can memorize lines and parrot them back effectively, so you should accept me as an expert on foreign policy") that I can't see their movies without seeing their politics also.  Much of Hollywood though doesn't bother me this way so I could care less about their politics.
 
2013-10-21 12:23:57 PM
oh and I forgot to add the obligatory slashie:

/The Enemy's gate is down!
 
2013-10-21 12:24:55 PM
The problem here, is that in this case, the Asshole uses his money to actively fund hate groups and legislation.

Let's repeat that. Funds Hate Groups and pushes for Legislation.

So, no. In this case, your dollars do matter. I'm not one to see my cash go towards something that will fund an idiot's crusade to push equality further into the grinder. I'll happily torrent the shiat out of it, if I choose.
 
2013-10-21 12:26:37 PM

natmar_76: *looks at picture*

The entire point of the battleroom is a lack of orientation due to zero gravity with no orientation points, and Ender's solution to that problem. The earth is a bighuge orientation point.


Yep. Notice that both cadets in the picture are oriented with the Earth being "down".
 
2013-10-21 12:28:44 PM
i just dont feel like going to see a movie about a childrens book for small children or babies

vOv
 
2013-10-21 12:30:42 PM

Theaetetus: natmar_76: *looks at picture*

The entire point of the battleroom is a lack of orientation due to zero gravity with no orientation points, and Ender's solution to that problem. The earth is a bighuge orientation point.

Yep. Notice that both cadets in the picture are oriented with the Earth being "down".


I saw that too, but I am not sure that audiences would react well to the actual battle room.  It would not make good cinema, and it is 1/3 of the book.

Think about the movie Gravity...my wife and I watched it and she asked me if I was OK with the science.  I pointed out to her a few points that I was uncomfortable with, but none of them changed my enjoyment of the movie...

So far, I am treating everything I have seen about Ender's Game the same...

So far.
 
2013-10-21 12:31:17 PM
I thought one of the main points of being a consumer is the ability to speak with your money. And now you're giving people shiat about that? So is capitalism good or bad now? I can't keep up anymore.
 
2013-10-21 12:31:34 PM

sprawl15: i just dont feel like going to see a movie about a childrens book for small children or babies

vOv


Obvious Troll being Obvious?
 
2013-10-21 12:32:00 PM
I liked the book, but have no desire to see this movie. Is that odd?
 
2013-10-21 12:33:03 PM

clkeagle: If Subby is right, purists are idiots (as usual). The book, as it was written, could only be done as an animated film.

devildog123: Pocket Ninja: Or, alternatively, "Another article trying to create buzz for a movie that no self-respecting person should watch because the author has revealed himself to be a monstrous ass whose uneducated viewpoints should not be rewarded in any way."

Enjoy your boycott.  I'll be watching the movie, along with everyone else that couldn't give two shiats about the personal views of some idiot author.

Bingo. if I boycotted movies, books, sports, shows, or albums because I disagreed with a political view of the relevant director, producer, writer, athlete, or performer... my audiovisual entertainment would be limited to "crickets" and "ant farm."

I like the book and the movie looks like it will be entertaining. If you disliked the book or aren't interested in the movie trailer, skip the damn movie. But I'm pretty sure your gay friends aren't going to hate you for seeing a science fiction movie (based on a late-70s short story and containing no anti-gay rhetoric).


It's one thing to like Wagner, who was a horrible anti-Semite but is, at least, dead.  It's another thing to commerically support a man who is not only outspokenly homophobic, but directly funds anti-gay rights campaigns.  The truth is that Card probably received a fee for the story rights years ago and isn't going to get a percentage of the profits (if there are any after Hollywood accounting takes place), so a boycott isn't going to be hurting him in any way.  I think what I'm going to do is wait 2 or 3 weeks before seeing it.  Hollywood cares about the big box office numbers on opening weekend, so waiting a few weeks will at least be symbolic.
 
2013-10-21 12:33:28 PM
I hope they focus on the subplot in which 2 teenagers take over the world with insightful compuserv posts
 
2013-10-21 12:33:53 PM

Znuh: The problem here, is that in this case, the Asshole uses his money to actively fund hate groups and legislation.

Let's repeat that. Funds Hate Groups and pushes for Legislation.

So, no. In this case, your dollars do matter. I'm not one to see my cash go towards something that will fund an idiot's crusade to push equality further into the grinder. I'll happily torrent the shiat out of it, if I choose.


Well, the current definition of 'hate group" is "group that says something I disagree with"

Disagree with gay marriage on religious grounds -- that's HATE SPEECH!
Dislike Obama - that's Racist hate speech!
Own a gun -- your a baby-killing NRA-lovin' hate group supporter
Don't like illegal immigration - that's hate speech and you're probably a member of the Aryan Nation
Watch FoxNews -- oh, now you've really done it, you hate-speeching bastard!!!

Hate speech, hate groups -- it's such overused hyperbole that it's meaningless.
 
2013-10-21 12:37:24 PM
Someone help me out. I'm peripherally aware of the Card hate, but I don't really know much about  why he's considered a monstrous ass with uneducated viewpoints.

http://www.hatrack.com/misc/Quotes_in_Context.shtml

Judging from that alone (which may be my problem), I see a typical conservative complaint about "activist" judges and a hand-waving, unsupported overgeneralization of history, but nothing too outrageous. In fact, the last quote seems to show the opposite.

We do not believe that homosexuals, by entering into a marriage, are personally hurting anybody. Where the law makes such a thing available, even temporarily, those who marry are not our enemies. We believe the law is wrong and the marriage is not, in any meaningful way, what we mean by marriage.

But my family and I are perfectly able to deal with such couples socially and keep them as friends, as long as they show the same respect and understanding for our customs and beliefs as we show for theirs.

Only when a gay friend demanded that I agree with his or her point of view or cease to be friends has the friendship ended. What is odd is that in every case they call me intolerant. They misunderstood the meaning of "tolerance."

Tolerance implies disagreement - it means that even though we don't agree with or approve of each other's beliefs or actions, we can still live together amicably. When we agree, we aren't being tolerant, we are being uniform.

It makes me sad when people are so intolerant that they cannot bear to be friends with anyone who disapproves of some action or opinion of theirs. But I believe that if we could only be friends with people who never disapprove of something we do, we will end up with "friends" who either don't know us very well, or don't care about us very much.
 
2013-10-21 12:39:08 PM

cchinni: sprawl15: i just dont feel like going to see a movie about a childrens book for small children or babies

vOv

Obvious Troll being Obvious?


oh no a coming of age story about space jesus: the 6 year old who is more exceptional than the other exceptionals because he has a blog and also was the first person to play a video game is riveting stuff

it is literally a story about how genocide and murder builds character in pre-teens

orson scott card?

more like orson "welles" scott card
 
2013-10-21 12:44:38 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: I liked the book, but have no desire to see this movie. Is that odd?


After the last 2 book adaptations (WWZ and ALVH)  that I was actually very interested in seeing on the screen, turned into mind numbing sludge on screen I have very little faith this movie will be worth tuesday matinee ticket price.  I want this movie to be good but it wont.
 
2013-10-21 12:47:02 PM

Bootysama: I thought one of the main points of being a consumer is the ability to speak with your money. And now you're giving people shiat about that? So is capitalism good or bad now? I can't keep up anymore.


It's only good if you like the same things they like. They don't give a shiat that OSC is a hatemongerer who plans on using that money to keep funding his hatemongering organization and views, so why should you care that OSC is a hatemongerer who plans on using your money to continue his hatemongering?

/stop disliking the things that I like!
//*stamps feet*
 
2013-10-21 12:47:06 PM

RickN99: Hate speech, hate groups -- it's such overused hyperbole that it's meaningless.


Wow when you frame it that way, using positions held by nobody on Earth, hate speech really is overused!

www.openmarket.org
 
2013-10-21 12:47:55 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: I liked the book, but have no desire to see this movie. Is that odd?


Nope.
 
2013-10-21 12:48:48 PM

Pocket Ninja: Or, alternatively, "Another article trying to create buzz for a movie that no self-respecting person should watch because the author has revealed himself to be a monstrous ass whose uneducated viewpoints should not be rewarded in any way."


Who cares if he is monstrous ass, what people should care about is that while Ender's Game is an okay book, the rest of the series is typical R.R. Martin and sucks donkey balls, just like that other series he wrote ... Dark Tower.
 
2013-10-21 12:49:59 PM

Gunny Highway: I like the book and the sequel.  Lots of fun.


Quiet you. The writer is a jerk, therefore we must continue to denigrate a dual Hugo & Nebula award winning short novel as somehow being terrible.
 
2013-10-21 12:50:13 PM

Pocket Ninja: Or, alternatively, "Another article trying to create buzz for a movie that no self-respecting person should watch because the author has revealed himself to be a monstrous ass whose uneducated viewpoints should not be rewarded in any way."


Well aren't you special.
 
2013-10-21 12:50:41 PM

sard: Someone help me out. I'm peripherally aware of the Card hate, but I don't really know much about  why he's considered a monstrous ass with uneducated viewpoints.

http://www.hatrack.com/misc/Quotes_in_Context.shtml

Judging from that alone (which may be my problem), I see a typical conservative complaint about "activist" judges and a hand-waving, unsupported overgeneralization of history, but nothing too outrageous. In fact, the last quote seems to show the opposite.

We do not believe that homosexuals, by entering into a marriage, are personally hurting anybody. Where the law makes such a thing available, even temporarily, those who marry are not our enemies. We believe the law is wrong and the marriage is not, in any meaningful way, what we mean by marriage.

But my family and I are perfectly able to deal with such couples socially and keep them as friends, as long as they show the same respect and understanding for our customs and beliefs as we show for theirs.

Only when a gay friend demanded that I agree with his or her point of view or cease to be friends has the friendship ended. What is odd is that in every case they call me intolerant. They misunderstood the meaning of "tolerance."

Tolerance implies disagreement - it means that even though we don't agree with or approve of each other's beliefs or actions, we can still live together amicably. When we agree, we aren't being tolerant, we are being uniform.

It makes me sad when people are so intolerant that they cannot bear to be friends with anyone who disapproves of some action or opinion of theirs. But I believe that if we could only be friends with people who never disapprove of something we do, we will end up with "friends" who either don't know us very well, or don't care about us very much.


He's not just disagreeing with people like those quotes make it seem like he is. He is actively putting his money towards groups that are fighting their hardest to make sure that entire groups of people are denied the same rights that he has because he simply doesn't like them. That's not tolerance, not even by his own skewed definition of the word.
 
2013-10-21 12:51:12 PM
My previous points about boycotting aside: if the filmmakers are not confident enough in their rendition of the Battle Room to plaster it all over the trailer, then I'm not confident in it either, and I really don't see any other reason to adapt this particular story to film. I'm no fan of the boycotters, but I don't think I'll be watching the movie either.
 
2013-10-21 12:52:12 PM

sprawl15: cchinni: sprawl15: i just dont feel like going to see a movie about a childrens book for small children or babies

vOv

Obvious Troll being Obvious?

oh no a coming of age story about space jesus: the 6 year old who is more exceptional than the other exceptionals because he has a blog and also was the first person to play a video game is riveting stuff

it is literally a story about how genocide and murder builds character in pre-teens

orson scott card?

more like orson "welles" scott card



Which blog are you referring to? His sister and brother both had what you can now call blogs, but I don't remember Ender having one.
 
2013-10-21 12:54:06 PM

Cubicle Jockey: Gunny Highway: I like the book and the sequel.  Lots of fun.

Quiet you. The writer is a jerk, therefore we must continue to denigrate a dual Hugo & Nebula award winning short novel as somehow being terrible.


Something tells me the word "overrated" will get tossed around.

/I am not interested in the movie because I like the version in my head
 
2013-10-21 12:54:26 PM

RickN99: Well, the current definition of 'hate group" is "group that says something I disagree with"

Disagree with gay marriage on religious grounds -- that's HATE SPEECH!


Have you actually seen what NOM and other groups say about gays? Have you noticed that they are actively campaigning against gay rights? That they work to enact legislation that turns gay people into second class citizens? That they fight against anti-bullying rules that protect gays? These groups target gays and try to make their lives as miserable as possible. That's no different than any group that targets people of different races or religions. It is their actions that make them a hate group. It is their very hateful words directed against gays that make them a hate group.

I know many people who disagree with gay marriage on religious grounds and aren't hateful. In fact, I could see some of those people supporting gay marriage in the secular world while wanting their own religious institutions to only recognize marriage between a man and a woman. To me, that's not hate speech, nor is that a hate group.
 
2013-10-21 12:57:53 PM

sprawl15: cchinni: sprawl15: i just dont feel like going to see a movie about a childrens book for small children or babies

vOv

Obvious Troll being Obvious?

oh no a coming of age story about space jesus: the 6 year old who is more exceptional than the other exceptionals because he has a blog and also was the first person to play a video game is riveting stuff

it is literally a story about how genocide and murder builds character in pre-teens

orson scott card?

more like orson "welles" scott card


nice...you avoided calling him Hitler, so that is a good start.

Challenge: Please reference a work of popular fiction in the last 30 years that does not fit that mold in some way...

Difficulty: Can't use "Chosen-Ones" (obvious), children who are smarter than adults, vampires, spuer powers, mutation, nano-bots, space ships, FTL Travel, mystical swords, or thrones made out of something special.

Yes, I am aware that all of these are not all in EG and also that I have not listed all of the available cliches...

If you had really understood the story, Ender did not even know he was fighting a war when he won the war.  The reasoning there was explicitely spoken by one of the characters (Graff I think).
"Somebody with that much compassion could never be the killer we needed. Could never go into battle willing to win at all costs. If you knew, you couldn't do it. If you were the kind of person who would do it even if you knew, you could never have understood [them] well enough." -Graff
 
2013-10-21 12:58:13 PM

natmar_76: *looks at picture*

The entire point of the battleroom is a lack of orientation due to zero gravity with no orientation points, and Ender's solution to that problem. The earth is a bighuge orientation point.


I read this chapter yesterday & just had the same thought. But that's a movie for you, and the director is right. No one wants to see people bouncing around a box in the expanse of space. 

This movie will probably not be good. I'm reading the book now, because after hearing about WWZ being awful I have no desire to read the book now. 
That makes little sense, I know.
 
2013-10-21 12:58:33 PM
It's been a while since I read the book, but it seems to me that the trailer has more battles and explosions than the entirety of the book.
 
2013-10-21 01:00:20 PM
bionicjoe: I'm reading the book now, because after hearing about WWZ being awful I have no desire to read the book now.

That is a poorly written sentence. 
Wow, me.
 
2013-10-21 01:01:10 PM

Saiga410: Sin_City_Superhero: I liked the book, but have no desire to see this movie. Is that odd?


Not a bit.

I loved the book when I read it as a teen, but have no desire to see the movie after they gave away the big reveal at the end of the book in the trailer.

Seriously, WTF Hollywood?
 
2013-10-21 01:01:32 PM

Tax Boy: I hope they focus on the subplot in which 2 teenagers take over the world with insightful compuserv posts


At the time that probably seemed it could happen, not sure anyone really could foresee all the foolishness that technology has unleashed on us...twitter, instagram, texting, message boards, etc.
 
2013-10-21 01:01:58 PM
I am quite happy with the book.
 
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