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(LA Times)   In yet another sign of the coming apocalypse, the Los Angeles Philharmonic will perform Frank Zappa's 200 Motels at Walt Disney Concert Hall. Great googly moogly   (latimes.com) divider line 35
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2013-10-21 11:52:33 AM  
It was the blackest night, there was no moon in sight, You know the stars ain't shining 'cause the sky's too tight
 
2013-10-21 11:54:22 AM  
Why is this a "sing of the apocalypse"? Zappa arranged a lot of stuff for orchestral performance, I wouldn't see it being to hard to arrange other of his works this way.
 
2013-10-21 11:57:47 AM  

Mikey1969: Why is this a "sing of the apocalypse"? Zappa arranged a lot of stuff for orchestral performance, I wouldn't see it being to hard to arrange other of his works this way.



I sing the bebop tango apocalypse?
 
2013-10-21 12:07:50 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-21 12:08:52 PM  
"You see, I'm a simple person, you know. I have very small desires in life."
 
2013-10-21 12:14:46 PM  
I'd pass on 200 Motels, and Thing Fish while we're at it.
But give me a fantasy Zappa gig and I'm going to go for the Belew & Bozzio era band doing a three hour show consisting entirely of Billy The Mountain but expanded with other pertinent themes from the Zappa Universe.
And lots of FZ abusing the guitar.

/saw him in '84 and '88
 
2013-10-21 12:16:36 PM  

naughtyrev: [i.imgur.com image 780x540]


That is brilliant.  Stealing the pic and hoping there's video somewhere to go with it.
 
2013-10-21 12:52:03 PM  
Yeah. I can totally see Walk doing casket laps.


She's such a dignified lady,
she's so pretty and soft.
You can't call her a Groupie,
it just pisses her off.
She's got diamonds and jewelry,
she's got lotsa new clothes.
She ain't hurtin' nobody,
so that everyone knows,
that she knows what she wants,
knows what she likes.
Daddy, daddy, daddy.
Daddy, daddy, daddy.
Daddy, daddy, daddy.
Look out... she's got her eyes on you.

She left her place after midnight,
she drove to the club.
You know that her and her partner,
came here lookin' for love.
They want a guy from a group
That's got a thing in a charts
If your dick is a monster
If your dick is a monster
If your dick is a monster
They will give him their hearts.
 
2013-10-21 12:57:52 PM  
I'd pay good money just to see the rehearsals.  The looks on their faces when they see the dizzying array of notes would be priceless.
 
2013-10-21 12:59:09 PM  
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2013-10-21 01:04:21 PM  
media.web.britannica.com

Just a sealed tuna samwich with a wrapper.
 
2013-10-21 01:12:12 PM  
Great Googly-moogly!

/I want tickets
 
2013-10-21 01:12:46 PM  
"Hiya friends. Now just be honest about it...did you ever consider the possibility that your penis (and in the case of many dignified ladies) that the size of the titties themselves might provide
elements of subconscious tension? Weird, twisted anxieties that could force a human being to have to become a politician...a policeman...a Jesuit monk...a rock and roll guitar player...a wino...you name it."
 
2013-10-21 01:18:48 PM  
But who's in full possession... of the burger?

/what can I say about this elixir?
 
2013-10-21 01:19:56 PM  
I'd pay to see that if I was in the area.


Ensemble Modern did a great job orchestrating some of Zappa's Synclavier pieces.


Hope LA Phil is up to the task.
 
2013-10-21 02:13:26 PM  
Why not?  After all, the present-day composer refuses to die.
 
2013-10-21 02:19:20 PM  
Nice to see FZ's works being kept in the public consciousness, but the 1970-71 "Flo And Eddie" era is my very least favorite era of all of the various bands and lineups. I can pick up on some of the instrumental works from that time, few tho' they are, but F&E are just grating to me. I don't believe I've ever made it all the way through the "200 Motels" movie, never owned the soundtrack LP (the only cut I can handle is "Magic Fingers" and only because of the guitar solo) and never play any music from that era just for pleasure. My FZ collection jumps from Hot Rats to either Grand Wazoo or Wakajawaka (not sure which was released first) with nothing in between.

Perhaps I'll be more enthused when they dig out something else from the FZ catalog, but this is a "meh" to me, personally. I hope it's a success and enjoyable for those fans of this era, though.
 
2013-10-21 02:24:40 PM  
 
2013-10-21 02:26:02 PM  

zappaisfrank: Nice to see FZ's works being kept in the public consciousness, but the 1970-71 "Flo And Eddie" era is my very least favorite era of all of the various bands and lineups. I can pick up on some of the instrumental works from that time, few tho' they are, but F&E are just grating to me. I don't believe I've ever made it all the way through the "200 Motels" movie, never owned the soundtrack LP (the only cut I can handle is "Magic Fingers" and only because of the guitar solo) and never play any music from that era just for pleasure. My FZ collection jumps from Hot Rats to either Grand Wazoo or Wakajawaka (not sure which was released first) with nothing in between.

Perhaps I'll be more enthused when they dig out something else from the FZ catalog, but this is a "meh" to me, personally. I hope it's a success and enjoyable for those fans of this era, though.


While I like the F&E era I understand what you mean. Do you think 200 Motels would have been considerably different if F&E weren't in it?  Or are you saying Frank composed to Howard and Mark's talents at the time (exploiting them, as it were)?

Also, I think Chunga stands up very well and is considerably less "vaudeville" than the other F&E era works.
 
2013-10-21 02:31:52 PM  
Just listened to Moon on the Maron podcast this morning. Turns out FZ was not the best father.

/shocked
//and stunned
 
2013-10-21 02:52:07 PM  
I'll be there Wednesday! I can't wait.
 
2013-10-21 02:53:37 PM  
"gonzo, the lead guitar player, placed his mutated member..."
 
2013-10-21 02:58:45 PM  
Destined to take the place of the mudshark in your mythology
 
2013-10-21 03:46:10 PM  

Kid Shelleen: zappaisfrank: Nice to see FZ's works being kept in the public consciousness, but the 1970-71 "Flo And Eddie" era is my very least favorite era of all of the various bands and lineups. I can pick up on some of the instrumental works from that time, few tho' they are, but F&E are just grating to me. I don't believe I've ever made it all the way through the "200 Motels" movie, never owned the soundtrack LP (the only cut I can handle is "Magic Fingers" and only because of the guitar solo) and never play any music from that era just for pleasure. My FZ collection jumps from Hot Rats to either Grand Wazoo or Wakajawaka (not sure which was released first) with nothing in between.

Perhaps I'll be more enthused when they dig out something else from the FZ catalog, but this is a "meh" to me, personally. I hope it's a success and enjoyable for those fans of this era, though.

While I like the F&E era I understand what you mean. Do you think 200 Motels would have been considerably different if F&E weren't in it?  Or are you saying Frank composed to Howard and Mark's talents at the time (exploiting them, as it were)?

Also, I think Chunga stands up very well and is considerably less "vaudeville" than the other F&E era works.


As most FZ fans know, "200" was done over a period of years, and I imagine that it would have been somewhat different without the F&E presence. Perhaps closer to what "Lonesome Cowboy Burt" turned out like with Jimmy Carl Black. It was also performed as an ensemble piece with a small version of the MOI with the LA Philharmonic with Zubin Meta without the vocal portions. Whether or not it would have made it to film without the F&E visualizations is debatable and if it had would have been different, certainly, but whether it would have been better or worse we'll never know.

Honestly, film making was not FZ's forte. "Uncle Meat" to me is equally unwatchable, largely because Frank himself is barely in it. Watching Don Preston wave a wand around while wearing a top hat and long johns isn't my idea of fun. His film projects tended to be quite voyeuristic, in that he sort of stood back and off to the side while he filmed and recorded everyone else being weird, to mixed results, while remaining sort of "above it all". His relationship with his musicians was quite similar, as he usually stayed in different hotels and traveled separately much of the time as well.
 
2013-10-21 03:54:52 PM  
Why not just perform the compositions he actually wrote for orchestra like "Mo 'n Herb's Vacation" and "Sad Jane"?


/Other than they're most likely not capable.
//FZ wasn't real pleased with the LSO performances.
///I worked for the designer who provided FZ with the Pressure Zone Mics he used to record the LSO albums and got to listen to the playbacks in the UMRK.
 
2013-10-21 04:08:23 PM  
They picked 200 Motels? Out of all his work? Sheesh....

/I'd still go...
 
2013-10-21 04:21:11 PM  

bigtotoro: Just listened to Moon on the Maron podcast this morning. Turns out FZ was not the best father.

/shocked
//and stunned


No, but she also spoke glowingly of his calm nature and genius. His emotional absence was bad but never raising his voice was good, maybe the good outweighed the bad.
I guarantee that Moon and Marc farked straight after that recording.
 
2013-10-21 04:27:05 PM  

zappaisfrank: Kid Shelleen: zappaisfrank: .

As most FZ fans know, "200" was done over a period of years, and I imagine that it would have been somewhat different without the F&E presence. Perhaps closer to what "Lonesome Cowboy Burt" turned out like with Jimmy Carl Black. It was also performed as an ensemble piece with a small version of the MOI with the LA Philharmonic with Zubin Meta without the vocal portions. Whether or not it would have made it to film without the F&E visualizations is debatable and if it had would have been different, certainly, but whether it would have been better or worse we'll never know.

Honestly, film making was not FZ's forte. "Uncle Meat" to me is equally unwatchable, largely because Frank himself is barely in it. Watching Don Preston wave a wand around ...


Aware of all that, and agree about his filmmaking skills.  Maybe he would have gotten better had he done more?  IDK.  I guess I was trying to ask if you thought the material from the F&E era was weaker, or if you thought F&E's interpretation of things were too cartoonish.  The usual knock on the F&E era is that he wasn't being "serious" at the time.  That's why I brought up Chunga, as I think it lacks most of that element.
 
2013-10-21 04:27:22 PM  
Do you like dog broth?
How do like it?
 
2013-10-21 04:41:48 PM  
Heeere Fido!
 
2013-10-21 08:28:58 PM  

Kid Shelleen: zappaisfrank: Kid Shelleen: zappaisfrank: .

As most FZ fans know, "200" was done over a period of years, and I imagine that it would have been somewhat different without the F&E presence. Perhaps closer to what "Lonesome Cowboy Burt" turned out like with Jimmy Carl Black. It was also performed as an ensemble piece with a small version of the MOI with the LA Philharmonic with Zubin Meta without the vocal portions. Whether or not it would have made it to film without the F&E visualizations is debatable and if it had would have been different, certainly, but whether it would have been better or worse we'll never know.

Honestly, film making was not FZ's forte. "Uncle Meat" to me is equally unwatchable, largely because Frank himself is barely in it. Watching Don Preston wave a wand around ...

Aware of all that, and agree about his filmmaking skills.  Maybe he would have gotten better had he done more?  IDK.  I guess I was trying to ask if you thought the material from the F&E era was weaker, or if you thought F&E's interpretation of things were too cartoonish.  The usual knock on the F&E era is that he wasn't being "serious" at the time.  That's why I brought up Chunga, as I think it lacks most of that element.


Well, that's a difficult question because FZ often wrote music that fit the skills of certain band members and I have a feeling a lot of what F&E did fit that descriptive. Meaning, had F&E not joined the group much of that material would not have ever existed in that form.

Quite a few of the F&E songs (from Filmore East, 200, etc) already existed in instrumental form on LP's such as "Burnt Weenie Sandwich" and in live performance. "Latex Solar Beef" was cribbed from "Holiday In Berlin", "Penis Dimension" features quotes from "Little House I Used To Live In" (called "Return Of The Son Of The Hunchback Duke" in live performance with the original MOI), The F&E band also recorded versions of "Holiday In Berlin" with lyrics that really take away from the beauty of the original composition. The live sets from this era featured much material originally recorded by the original Mothers but were rarely performed live by that band. (selections from Uncle Meat, Only In It For The Money, etc.)

"Chunga" is OK...love the title track, "Twenty Small Cigars" is nice, but side two is just not my thing.

I guess I view that period as deliberate lowbrow humor to try and attract a wider audience who liked hearing people talk about sex and groupies provocatively. I can't blame him for wanting to broaden his commercial potential somewhat but I find it to be among his weaker works of the era.
 
2013-10-21 10:28:34 PM  

zappaisfrank: Kid Shelleen: zappaisfrank: Kid Shelleen: zappaisfrank: .

As most FZ fans know, "200" was done over a period of years, and I imagine that it would have been somewhat different without the F&E presence. Perhaps closer to what "Lonesome Cowboy Burt" turned out like with Jimmy Carl Black. It was also performed as an ensemble piece with a small version of the MOI with the LA Philharmonic with Zubin Meta without the vocal portions. Whether or not it would have made it to film without the F&E visualizations is debatable and if it had would have been different, certainly, but whether it would have been better or worse we'll never know.

Honestly, film making was not FZ's forte. "Uncle Meat" to me is equally unwatchable, largely because Frank himself is barely in it. Watching Don Preston wave a wand around ...

Aware of all that, and agree about his filmmaking skills.  Maybe he would have gotten better had he done more?  IDK.  I guess I was trying to ask if you thought the material from the F&E era was weaker, or if you thought F&E's interpretation of things were too cartoonish.  The usual knock on the F&E era is that he wasn't being "serious" at the time.  That's why I brought up Chunga, as I think it lacks most of that element.

Well, that's a difficult question because FZ often wrote music that fit the skills of certain band members and I have a feeling a lot of what F&E did fit that descriptive. Meaning, had F&E not joined the group much of that material would not have ever existed in that form.

Quite a few of the F&E songs (from Filmore East, 200, etc) already existed in instrumental form on LP's such as "Burnt Weenie Sandwich" and in live performance. "Latex Solar Beef" was cribbed from "Holiday In Berlin", "Penis Dimension" features quotes from "Little House I Used To Live In" (called "Return Of The Son Of The Hunchback Duke" in live performance with the original MOI), The F&E band also recorded versions of "Holiday In Berlin" with lyrics that really take away from the beauty of the original composition. The live sets from this era featured much material originally recorded by the original Mothers but were rarely performed live by that band. (selections from Uncle Meat, Only In It For The Money, etc.)

"Chunga" is OK...love the title track, "Twenty Small Cigars" is nice, but side two is just not my thing.

I guess I view that period as deliberate lowbrow humor to try and attract a wider audience who liked hearing people talk about sex and groupies provocatively. I can't blame him for wanting to broaden his commercial potential somewhat but I find it to be among his weaker works of the era.


Thanks. I can't say I disagree, mostly regarding writing to the talents of the band. While I also agree he went down the "lowbrow" road, I think he wanted to do it, as well as broaden the appeal. He revisited those themes many times after that.

Thanks for the discussion. I appreciate it.
 
2013-10-21 10:33:42 PM  
and a five-member rock band to essay a suite called "Penis Dimension." While singing it, each of the 32 chorus members will brandish an illuminated sex toy, per Zappa's written instructions.

Oh gosh, oh golly, I want to go to this concert. Haven't been to Disney Hall in several months.

*checks ticket prices*

This item currently does not have available tickets for purchase. You can check back later or click the 'view all events' button to see all other items for sale.

Damnit. DAMNIT.

*goes off to check Craigslist*
 
2013-10-22 03:25:10 AM  
i agree the movie is unwatchable, but the soundtrack is farking amazing. the orchestral pieces are some of my favorite fz.
 
2013-10-22 10:42:11 AM  

mahavishnunj: i agree the movie is unwatchable, but the soundtrack is farking amazing. the orchestral pieces are some of my favorite fz.


eat moar acid
 
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