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2013-10-21 08:22:27 AM
Tentacles are still cool, right?
 
2013-10-21 08:29:51 AM
FTFA: Another study found that a third of all people under thirty had never dated at all

I would expect that it's the third that aren't yet 10 years old.
 
2013-10-21 09:09:42 AM
Yesterday's SMBC is  highly relevant.
www.smbc-comics.com
 
2013-10-21 10:47:33 AM
After tentacle rape, where is there to go but quit the whole thing?
 
2013-10-21 10:50:26 AM
.... whisper whisper whisper *pause*  DAME (no)!?!?

*approaches next beautiful Japanese woman*

whisper whisper whisper *pause*  DAME!?!?!?

*continues stomping around angrily in Tokyo*

YOU PEOPLE ARE MAKING IT VERRRRRRRRY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO PROPERLY OBJECTIFY YOU!
 
2013-10-21 11:23:57 AM
45% of women aged 16-24 "were not interested in or despised sexual contact". More than a quarter of men felt the same way..

Good Lord! At that age I was lucky to be thinking about *anything* else. How can you have all those hormones raging through your body and just be like "Sex? Meh"?
 
2013-10-21 11:25:32 AM
I suspect most of this is wind-up media or lost in translation stuff. E.g. people did give these answers, but we over here are now putting our spin on it to fit our own expectations.

Anyone that's a native Japanese speaker care to weigh in on how much of this story is crap or sensationalist?
 
2013-10-21 11:38:33 AM

Sybarite: Good Lord! At that age I was lucky to be thinking about *anything* else. How can you have all those hormones raging through your body and just be like "Sex? Meh"?


Yep. You have to worry about a population when the people of breeding age dont feel like farking.

I understand the women, but the men? How do you look at this:
img834.imageshack.us

And not want to take a swing?!?
 
2013-10-21 12:30:06 PM

Generation_D: After tentacle rape, where is there to go but quit the whole thing?


The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife

 was painted in 1814 so they've had 200 years of tentacle rape porn.
 
2013-10-21 12:32:37 PM
Japanese men are in love with anime characters. Women who actually exist in three dimensions aren't moe enough for them.
 
2013-10-21 12:32:49 PM
I blame pixelated porn.
 
2013-10-21 12:34:22 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Sybarite: Good Lord! At that age I was lucky to be thinking about *anything* else. How can you have all those hormones raging through your body and just be like "Sex? Meh"?

Yep. You have to worry about a population when the people of breeding age dont feel like farking.

I understand the women, but the men? How do you look at this:
[img834.imageshack.us image 491x711]

And not want to take a swing?!?


one phrase:

  "female robots on a game similar to Power Rangers. "

now THAT is hot stuff.
 
2013-10-21 12:36:59 PM
Who'd be attracted to those unrealistic 3D girls?
 
2013-10-21 12:40:56 PM

farkingismybusiness: I blame pixelated porn.


Are you thinking these poor otaku have never seen it unpixelated, and when they see the real things it's like...
i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-10-21 12:41:27 PM
Ever seen Japanese women have sex? They sound like they're screaming in pain and hate every second of it... Why in the hell would you want to put up with that if you were a Japanese guy? (unless you're into that anyhow)
 
2013-10-21 12:42:05 PM
Will this lead to Japan becoming a world powerhouse in technology and economics, as the youngsters aren't distracted by other pursuits?
Or, not caring to impress the opposite sex, drop into mediocrity?
 
2013-10-21 12:44:53 PM
I'd stop having sex too if Japanese porn is any indication of how it's done there.
 
2013-10-21 12:44:58 PM
So Japan has hipsters too?
 
2013-10-21 12:47:17 PM

brap: .... whisper whisper whisper *pause*  DAME (no)!?!?

*approaches next beautiful Japanese woman*

whisper whisper whisper *pause*  DAME!?!?!?

*continues stomping around angrily in Tokyo*

YOU PEOPLE ARE MAKING IT VERRRRRRRRY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO PROPERLY OBJECTIFY YOU!


Well, If you're wearing green; I've spotted your problem. They think that you're Godzilla; what with the stomping around Tokyo and such.
 
2013-10-21 12:47:22 PM

AllUpInYa: Will this lead to Japan becoming a world powerhouse in technology and economics, as the youngsters aren't distracted by other pursuits?
Or, not caring to impress the opposite sex, drop into mediocrity?


I'm hoping it all leads to a worldwide trend in depopulation.
 
2013-10-21 12:48:36 PM
My turn-on has become plain vanilla, lights off, missionary position while wearing an undershirt. No moving of the pelvis more than necessary and after the show is over, we shake hands and get a glass of water.

/So hot
 
2013-10-21 12:50:35 PM

Generation_D: I suspect most of this is wind-up media or lost in translation stuff. E.g. people did give these answers, but we over here are now putting our spin on it to fit our own expectations.

Anyone that's a native Japanese speaker care to weigh in on how much of this story is crap or sensationalist?


Not a native speaker of Japanese, but I spent 6 years over there.

From what I read, the cultural aspect is very accurate.  Girls have two choices: a job or marriage with children.  You can't have both.  After a woman has a child, if she had a job, she's expected to quit and stay home to raise the baby.  Usually she is not welcome back to the company.  Younger girls are aware of this, and they don't want to sacrifice their careers, even early ones, to the risk of having to be a housewife.  Perhaps you're wondering why they don't just get a babysitter?  Daycare in Japan is insufficient and very expensive.  Your "daycare" used to be grandma/grandpa staying home with the kids while you work since families tend to live all in the same house, but that's changing in the modern day.

As for the guys, I don't have any evidence to support what the article said.  In fact, most of the students I taught (I was an English teacher) were either married or had a serious relationship.  Even the college kids.  Then again, I wasn't in Tokyo, so maybe it's different there.  You have to remember that Tokyo is like New York City: crazy stuff happens there, but that doesn't reflect the country as a whole.  It would be like stereotyping all Americans because of Naked Cowboy.  There are plenty of girls who want to settle down and get married, but they can't seem to find men who are interested.  I'm not sure why.  Perhaps it's because the economy isn't as good as it used to be and men view women as just an unnecessary hole in their pocket.

And this is so Japan:

static.guim.co.uk

Notice she's wearing a coat with shorts.  Girls have to wear skirts for their school uniforms, so their exposed legs get used to the cold.  Sometimes during the winter, I would wear short-sleeved shirts and my students would ask me "Is everything OK?  You look cold."  I would reply "Why are you wearing shorts with your winter coat?"  They said it's different because it was fashionable.

And I love that they're posing for the picture in front of a Pachinko parlor.  You'll find plenty of single guys inside gambling their hard-earned money away.
 
2013-10-21 12:51:36 PM
You mean a culture that has a word  that means "to die from overworking" (Karoshi), has a very high cost of living, is ass backwards about married women in the workplace and promotes being financial stable before getting married and having a relationship is having problems reproducing? Who would have thought.


Hey don't worry Japan you can always just open up your immigration policies so you have people available to care for your aging population. As long as you don't promote a culture that values racial purity and is distrustful of foreigners you are all set. Oh.. .you did? Well get working on those super advanced robots. You can solve the sex problem and the caring for aging people at the same time.
 
2013-10-21 12:51:48 PM

KellyX: Ever seen Japanese women have sex? They sound like they're screaming in pain and hate every second of it... Why in the hell would you want to put up with that if you were a Japanese guy? (unless you're into that anyhow)


They're either whining submissively or sound like rabbits being killed.
 
2013-10-21 12:53:42 PM

KellyX: Ever seen Japanese women have sex? They sound like they're screaming in pain and hate every second of it... Why in the hell would you want to put up with that if you were a Japanese guy? (unless you're into that anyhow)


Unless, of course, it's the really kinky uncensored stuff; I didn't know it, but the uncensored stuff is actually illegal in Japan.

/ the problem is; Japanese women are tired of all of Japanese men's shiat. They'd rather not get tentacle raped or train groped; if it's all the same with everybody else.
 
2013-10-21 12:55:04 PM
IIRC -

Japanese society places huge pressures on it's men for them to both be successful and conform to the point of losing one's identity. Many men can't, or don't want to, deal with it. Because of that they tend to either turn toward pleasant, idealized escapes (otaku, etc) or they remove themselves from society altogether (hikikomori, etc). Japanese women have been becoming more and more shallow and gold-digger-y. Displays of affection are frowned upon in their society in general. The simple act of holding hands where people can see you doing so is frowned upon. This tends to get in the way of emotional intimacy. Also, Japan has a lot of people in a small amount of space. There is little privacy. If a couple want to have physical fun they tend to have to look to places like Love Hotels to do the deed. That tends to take the fun out of it. It's harder for them to make it spontaneous and having to schedule it tends to kill the mood.

That's as I understand it. Let me know if I'm wrong. Articles and sources to read up on it would be good, too.
 
2013-10-21 12:56:04 PM

farkingismybusiness: I blame pixelated porn.


the problem isn't the porn, it's their pixelated junk!
 
2013-10-21 12:57:01 PM

KellyX: Ever seen Japanese women have sex? They sound like they're screaming in pain and hate every second of it... Why in the hell would you want to put up with that if you were a Japanese guy? (unless you're into that anyhow)


Bingo. For their adult media the idea of being powerful over the women sells quite well. Look closely as their adult offerings. It's not, "Here's what we're doing together" it's, "Look at what I'm doing to do and you're doing nothing to resist it despite your discomfort with it"
 
2013-10-21 12:57:05 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Sybarite: Good Lord! At that age I was lucky to be thinking about *anything* else. How can you have all those hormones raging through your body and just be like "Sex? Meh"?

Yep. You have to worry about a population when the people of breeding age dont feel like farking.

I understand the women, but the men? How do you look at this:
[img834.imageshack.us image 491x711]

And not want to take a swing?!?


Probably different when you see it un-shopped.
 
2013-10-21 01:00:06 PM
Maybe they just have The Vapors.
 
2013-10-21 01:00:19 PM

2wolves: Tentacles are still cool, right?


Tentacles don't care if you're cool with it. Still gonna happen.
 
2013-10-21 01:02:55 PM
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2013-10-21 01:03:51 PM
1.) I guess after watcvhing thousands of hours of robo-tenticle porn an actual human woman doesn't seem all that interesting anymore.

2.) I am sure there are legions of western guys who would be more than happy to lend a hand, or whatever body part is needed, to assist in the birth rates there.
 
2013-10-21 01:05:25 PM
"Although Japan is sexually permissive, the current fantasy ideal for women under 25 is impossibly cute and virginal. Double standards abound."

"Tomita says a woman's chances of promotion in Japan stop dead as soon as she marries. "The bosses assume you will get pregnant." Once a woman does have a child, she adds, the long, inflexible hours become unmanageable. "You have to resign. You end up being a housewife with no independent income. It's not an option for women like me."


Contrast with Iceland, which has a much less stressful social ecosystem.
 
2013-10-21 01:08:31 PM
Older Japanese women dress up in school uniforms. Problem solved.
 
2013-10-21 01:09:53 PM
Cup half full attitude, there might not be much reason to be interested in sex, with regards to reproduction, post-Fukushima
 
2013-10-21 01:10:35 PM
Incurable Japanese Gonorrhea.

Gotta admit, it does sound like a poor translation of some of the hentai.
 
2013-10-21 01:10:54 PM

Vectron: Older Japanese women dress up in school uniforms. Problem solved.


sociorocketnewsen.files.wordpress.com
What about older Japanese men?
 
2013-10-21 01:10:58 PM
Sooner or later the rest of Japan that exists IRL and the Japan that Farkers see (the media only partially being to blame as they are so obsessed with whatever dysfunction they can find in that country) will reach some sort of matter-antimatter level of polarity at which point I can only hope they annihilate each other.
 
2013-10-21 01:12:30 PM
It's just another step towards the future depicted in that documentary 'Idiocracy.'
 
2013-10-21 01:15:28 PM
static.guim.co.uk

static.guim.co.uk

Odd. The 52 year old woman looks 35, and the 31 year old man looks about 55.
 
2013-10-21 01:21:23 PM

phaseolus: [static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Odd. The 52 year old woman looks 35, and the 31 year old man looks about 55.


To be fair, the men have Hirohiko Araki to balance that out by being immortal.

s3.roosterteeth.com
 
2013-10-21 01:22:10 PM

KellyX: Ever seen Japanese women have sex? They sound like they're screaming in pain and hate every second of it... Why in the hell would you want to put up with that if you were a Japanese guy? (unless you're into that anyhow)


Sounds to me like you've seen Japanese porn, not Japanese women having sex. There is a difference, little boy.
 
2013-10-21 01:23:21 PM
I asked the association's head, Kunio Kitamura, why. "Sexual drive comes from males," said the man who advises the government. "Females do not experience the same levels of desire."

Dude, you need to meet some non-Japanese women.  Or better yet, introduce Japanese women to non-Japanese men.
 
2013-10-21 01:25:45 PM

Silly_Sot: KellyX: Ever seen Japanese women have sex? They sound like they're screaming in pain and hate every second of it... Why in the hell would you want to put up with that if you were a Japanese guy? (unless you're into that anyhow)

Sounds to me like you've seen Japanese porn, not Japanese women having sex. There is a difference, little boy.


Maybe the Japanese women have seen the Japanese porn and said "fark that!  There's no way I'm ever farking like that."
 
2013-10-21 01:26:28 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: IIRC -

Japanese society places huge pressures on it's men for them to both be successful and conform to the point of losing one's identity. Many men can't, or don't want to, deal with it. Because of that they tend to either turn toward pleasant, idealized escapes (otaku, etc) or they remove themselves from society altogether (hikikomori, etc). Japanese women have been becoming more and more shallow and gold-digger-y. Displays of affection are frowned upon in their society in general. The simple act of holding hands where people can see you doing so is frowned upon. This tends to get in the way of emotional intimacy. Also, Japan has a lot of people in a small amount of space. There is little privacy. If a couple want to have physical fun they tend to have to look to places like Love Hotels to do the deed. That tends to take the fun out of it. It's harder for them to make it spontaneous and having to schedule it tends to kill the mood.

That's as I understand it. Let me know if I'm wrong. Articles and sources to read up on it would be good, too.


If I didn't hate the idea of a diet of consisting mostly of fish and seaweed, I'd think the Japanese countryside would be the perfect spot to set up my commune .. consisting solely of females.
 
2013-10-21 01:29:32 PM

dragonchild: Sooner or later the rest of Japan that exists IRL and the Japan that Farkers see (the media only partially being to blame as they are so obsessed with whatever dysfunction they can find in that country) will reach some sort of matter-antimatter level of polarity at which point I can only hope they annihilate each other.


Given the statistics, "the rest of japan" only includes about half of young women.
//This all mirrors increasing corporatism and greed as social values.
 
2013-10-21 01:29:45 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Sybarite: Good Lord! At that age I was lucky to be thinking about *anything* else. How can you have all those hormones raging through your body and just be like "Sex? Meh"?

Yep. You have to worry about a population when the people of breeding age dont feel like farking.

I understand the women, but the men? How do you look at this:
[img834.imageshack.us image 491x711]

And not want to take a swing?!?


maybe it's the pixelated  privates.....
 
2013-10-21 01:31:12 PM

Sticky Hands: "female robots on a game similar to Power Rangers. "


Funny you should mention Power Rangers...

img10.imageshack.us
 
2013-10-21 01:34:05 PM

Silly_Sot: KellyX: Ever seen Japanese women have sex? They sound like they're screaming in pain and hate every second of it... Why in the hell would you want to put up with that if you were a Japanese guy? (unless you're into that anyhow)

Sounds to me like you've seen Japanese porn, not Japanese women having sex. There is a difference, little boy.


Seen those and seen them in the US with normal porn actors and they still make that screeching sound like they hate every second of it.

/So sorry I haven't been to Japan and have first hand experience, big asshole =)
 
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