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(Richmond Times-Dispatch)   Reliably conservative Richmond Times-Dispatch editorial page takes a look at the candidates running for Virginia governor and bags the endorsement, saying "sorry, voters - you're farked no matter who you choose"   (timesdispatch.com) divider line 39
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2013-10-21 08:04:53 AM  
People thing that the fall of the Roman Empire was the result of top heavy government and corruption, and to a degree that's true. But what really did it was there were so many coups and purges that after a while there was no one left worth being  a senator. Thanks to term limits and pandering to the lowest common denominator, that's about where we are.
 
2013-10-21 08:50:55 AM  
FTA: [McAuliffe's] ignorance of state government is laughable and makes Rick Perry, the notorious governor of Texas, look like a Founding Father.

Wow, just wow.

But here is the jist of the article: Still, a vote for [Sarvis] would not be wasted but would serve notice to Republicans and Democrats that the electorate rejects their surly antics. Citizens whose votes reflect their ideals do not throw away their ballots.

So:  BSABSVL(ibertarion)
 
2013-10-21 09:04:16 AM  

Slives: So: BSABSVL(ibertarion)


In this case, voters could do worse (and they will).
 
2013-10-21 09:29:36 AM  

Crewmannumber6: People thing that the fall of the Roman Empire was the result of top heavy government and corruption, and to a degree that's true. But what really did it was there were so many coups and purges that after a while there was no one left worth being  a senator. Thanks to term limits and pandering to the lowest common denominator, that's about where we are.


So what you're saying is that the only solution is revolution and mass assassination?
 
2013-10-21 09:29:46 AM  

Crewmannumber6: People thing that the fall of the Roman Empire was the result of top heavy government and corruption, and to a degree that's true. But what really did it was there were so many coups and purges that after a while there was no one left worth being  a senator. Thanks to term limits and pandering to the lowest common denominator, that's about where we are.


Yeah, no.  We haven't had a non-peaceful transfer of power since the 1860s.  That's always been the symptom of a broken, collapsing society.  Sure the tea party morons might claim a desire for violent revolution, but they're far far too thin skinned to do it.
 
2013-10-21 09:37:23 AM  

rjakobi: Crewmannumber6: People thing that the fall of the Roman Empire was the result of top heavy government and corruption, and to a degree that's true. But what really did it was there were so many coups and purges that after a while there was no one left worth being  a senator. Thanks to term limits and pandering to the lowest common denominator, that's about where we are.

So what you're saying is that the only solution is revolution and mass assassination?


We find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter - Dept. of Homeland Security.
 
2013-10-21 09:38:36 AM  
They have a problem articulating what is wrong with McCauliffe other than "he's not a libertarian."

And then they proceed to endorse the hell out of the libertarian candidate.
 
2013-10-21 09:42:03 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: They have a problem articulating what is wrong with McCauliffe other than "he's not a libertarian."

And then they proceed to endorse the hell out of the libertarian candidate.


Ah, no, they also complain that he was in a nasty primary...

Four years ago...

I'm not entirely sure why it was relevant. They provided zero details about why it had gotten nasty. Basically I got "The republican is a jerk, the democrat is a democrat and thus evil, and the libertarian is just a little inexperienced but you should totally vote for him even though we aren't endorsing him officially."
 
2013-10-21 09:44:46 AM  
One of these days, everyone is going to be particularly angry at "Washington" and in protest will vote in a bunch of libertarians.  Then we will all eat a giant shiat sandwich.
 
2013-10-21 09:48:35 AM  
 
2013-10-21 09:53:22 AM  
Unfortunately, I'll be voting against the Coochy Smelly and not really for the other guy.
Got to stop evil when I can see it in plain view.
 
2013-10-21 09:54:34 AM  
More: Christa McAuliffe, wtf?
 
2013-10-21 10:02:21 AM  

Stahi: However, their endorsement for Lt. Governor is MUCH more clear.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion/our-opinion/editorial-vote-for- no rtham/article_6789694d-c0f1-57fd-ba66-be6d5f072f4f.html


Not really a big surprise when you listen to Jackson open his mouht.  It seems anytime he gives a talk, he automatically stuffs his foot in there and chews briskly.

And Obenshain is no winner either, as he would be no different than the Cooch has been as AG.  While it's not the greatest lineup for VA government this time around, I would say that voting D in this gubernatorial election would save the Commonwealth a lot of headache after 4 years then if the 3 stooges somehow win.
 
2013-10-21 10:04:45 AM  
I'm surprised and encouraged that they insinuate that being in favor of gay marriage is, in fact, a conservative principle.
 
2013-10-21 10:06:24 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: They have a problem articulating what is wrong with McCauliffe other than "he's not a libertarian."

And then they proceed to endorse the hell out of the libertarian candidate.


No, they say he's well intentioned but inexperienced and would be in over his head.
 
2013-10-21 10:12:25 AM  

Earguy: No, they say he's well intentioned but inexperienced and would be in over his head.


If the choice is between corrupt, crazy, and inexperienced...I'll roll the dice on inexperienced. It's not like dealing with state legislators requires an advanced intellect anyway - they have their staffers do all the heavy lifting.
 
2013-10-21 10:14:33 AM  
I thought this was a pretty striking sentiment:

"Moreover, while The Times-Dispatch finds considerable merit in the libertarian ethos, the libertarian ideology is a luxury afforded by a political, economic and social climate that, despite the nation's commitment to liberty, was not created by libertarian doctrine."
 
2013-10-21 10:16:30 AM  

Stahi: However, their endorsement for Lt. Governor is MUCH more clear.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion/our-opinion/editorial-vote-for- no rtham/article_6789694d-c0f1-57fd-ba66-be6d5f072f4f.html


Hmmm...

E.W. Jackson, by contrast, lacks the experience, temperament and convictions appropriate to the office he seeks. His attacks on Democrats as "anti-God" and on gays and lesbians as "sick" and "perverted" are not merely insulting. They expose a Manicheanism that may delight a zealous core but would throw a wrench into the gears of state government, which require people of different views to work together.

/sick burn
 
2013-10-21 10:23:54 AM  
I found the line ". . . Mississippi, which is not known for its social enlightenment." coming from the RTD is hilarious.
 
2013-10-21 10:28:34 AM  

Earguy: I'm surprised and encouraged that they insinuate that being in favor of gay marriage is, in fact, a conservative principle.


Actually I know a number of conservatives that are in favor of gay marriage on Small Government grounds, i.e. it's none of the government's business to adjudicate who should be allowed to marry. It's a major wedge between the social conservatives and the authentic small government types.

I have one conservative friend who often arrives at the same positions as me for entirely opposite reasons (e.g. on gay marriage, I say the government should protect everybody equally, he says it should leave everybody alone equally). I have joked to him that if we were writing the Constitution, we would have knocked out the Articles in the first morning, then spent three days fighting over the wording of the preamble.
 
2013-10-21 10:31:52 AM  

timswar: Uranus Is Huge!: They have a problem articulating what is wrong with McCauliffe other than "he's not a libertarian."

And then they proceed to endorse the hell out of the libertarian candidate.

Ah, no, they also complain that he was in a nasty primary...

Four years ago...

I'm not entirely sure why it was relevant. They provided zero details about why it had gotten nasty. Basically I got "The republican is a jerk, the democrat is a democrat and thus evil, and the libertarian is just a little inexperienced but you should totally vote for him even though we aren't endorsing him officially."


You could also read it as "we want the Democrat to win because we really don't have anything bad to say about him beyond his nasty primary, but we can't say that, so we encourage you to split the Conservative vote Republican-Libertarian"
 
2013-10-21 10:38:10 AM  

RevCarter: I thought this was a pretty striking sentiment:

"Moreover, while The Times-Dispatch finds considerable merit in the libertarian ethos, the libertarian ideology is a luxury afforded by a political, economic and social climate that, despite the nation's commitment to liberty, was not created by libertarian doctrine."


Even assuming it's a luxury, so what? A smartphone was a luxury as recently as five years ago.

And it's easy enough to define 'created by libertarian doctrine' as 'created in the absence of the nannystate/Jesusbot legislation that's plagued us for the past 40 years or so'.
 
2013-10-21 10:39:47 AM  

bigbadideasinaction: You could also read it as "we want the Democrat to win because we really don't have anything bad to say about him beyond his nasty primary


I think the editorial board takes it as a given that their readers know of McAuliffe's history of general weaselry.
 
2013-10-21 11:34:28 AM  
As a former (read: escaped) Richmonder, fark that "news"paper and fark the Cooch.
 
2013-10-21 11:42:04 AM  
The Richmond Times-Dispatch does the dishonorable thing.  Endorsements by a news organization go one way or another.  You don't get to make a big deal about making an endorsement and then say you're not making one.

The farking Washington Post endorsed Ehrlich (republican) for Governor back in 2006 and they're as left as it gets.  The Post did it not (just) because it despised O'Malley, but because it had legitimate points to make for the current Governor.

If Times-Dispatch had an ounce of credibility, and wasn't just a Republican mouth-piece, it would have endorsed one or the other candidate or shut up about it.  Saying "we hate Cuccinelli, but since we're a Republican rag we can't say we like the other guy" is cowardly and poor journalism.
 
2013-10-21 11:48:05 AM  
Yesterday I drove through the countryside of Loudon County. There were about 10:1 lawn signs for the Cooch. McAuliffe's lawn signs are about half the size of Cooch's.
 
2013-10-21 11:57:33 AM  

rjakobi: Crewmannumber6: People thing that the fall of the Roman Empire was the result of top heavy government and corruption, and to a degree that's true. But what really did it was there were so many coups and purges that after a while there was no one left worth being  a senator. Thanks to term limits and pandering to the lowest common denominator, that's about where we are.

So what you're saying is that the only solution is revolution and mass assassination?


Yes. The system is too entrenched to be responsive to anything else.
 
2013-10-21 12:37:03 PM  
Totally shocked the RTD didn't jump face first into the Cuccinelli dumpster fire.
 
2013-10-21 12:41:10 PM  

fireballmage: Totally shocked the RTD didn't jump face first into the Cuccinelli dumpster fire.


Well, I've lived here in VA long enough to realize that the RTD is rather right wing, just not batshiat looney insane.  That's probably the only reason they aren't lavishing praise on the Cooch (or the rest of the looney bin the Republicans put up this time around).
 
2013-10-21 01:00:18 PM  

cefm: Saying "we hate Cuccinelli, but since we're a Republican rag we can't say we like the other guy" is cowardly and poor journalism.


There's a lot of reasons for people to hate McCauliffe, too. From what I've heard on his background, I fully expect that if he wins the election, he'll be (deservedly) indicted before the end of his four year term. (Since I'm not sure that's a distinction from the other candidates, I plan to vote for him anyway. Yes, I've been assured I'm somewhere to the left of Karl Marx.)

More interesting is that they choked on endorsing the libertarian. Yes, he's an inexperienced punk, but it would seem from the standpoint of moderate conservatives, inexperience isn't THAT horrific a flaw. Are they that terrified of an impending exodus from the GOP to the libertarians?
 
2013-10-21 01:12:50 PM  

abb3w: cefm: Saying "we hate Cuccinelli, but since we're a Republican rag we can't say we like the other guy" is cowardly and poor journalism.

There's a lot of reasons for people to hate McCauliffe, too. From what I've heard on his background, I fully expect that if he wins the election, he'll be (deservedly) indicted before the end of his four year term. (Since I'm not sure that's a distinction from the other candidates, I plan to vote for him anyway. Yes, I've been assured I'm somewhere to the left of Karl Marx.)


Slate put together a nice short list of the "Pick the Giant Douche over the Turd Sandwich" McCauliffe endorsements
 
2013-10-21 02:23:42 PM  
"Libertarian Robert Sarvis has neither embarrassed himself nor insulted the commonwealth. He lacks the experience the job demands, however."


www.google.com


So all he needs to do is embarass himself, preferably while insulting the commonwealth, and then he can get the endorsement? Geez, I wish they'd taught me that in civics class.

 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-21 02:29:17 PM  
Every ballot ought to have a "none of the above" choice that causes no one to be elected when all the "sides" are putting up no-IQ candidates.  If it wins a plurality everyone should go back and start over.

The story here did a good job illustrating how the candidate selection was rigged.  Not many newspapers dare to talk about that.
 
2013-10-21 03:08:02 PM  

Huggermugger: Yesterday I drove through the countryside of Loudon County. There were about 10:1 lawn signs for the Cooch. McAuliffe's lawn signs are about half the size of Cooch's.


I live in the countryside of Loudoun County, and the ratio was the same for Romney over Obama, but we voted for Obama. We're the archetype of the maxim that Lawn Signs Don't Vote.

/Also most of us aren't exactly enthusiastic about voting for McAuliffe, who is quite literally the lesser of two evils.
 
2013-10-21 04:58:25 PM  

d23: The story here did a good job illustrating how the candidate selection was rigged.  Not many newspapers dare to talk about that.


Didn't catch that before; I'm surprised they went there.
 
2013-10-21 06:21:50 PM  

RevCarter: I thought this was a pretty striking sentiment:

"Moreover, while The Times-Dispatch finds considerable merit in the libertarian ethos, the libertarian ideology is a luxury afforded by a political, economic and social climate that, despite the nation's commitment to liberty, was not created by libertarian doctrine."


Agreed.
 
2013-10-21 10:34:19 PM  
The paper could not bring itself to endorse a candidate without a "R" after his name. Which is more of what we need in this country, people and organizations which are solidly, stubbornly, Republican or Democratic to the exclusion of being American. Way to not think, guys!
 
2013-10-21 10:44:40 PM  

Polish Hussar: Slate put together a nice short list of the "Pick the Giant Douche over the Turd Sandwich" McCauliffe endorsements


Alas, nothing as succinct as "Vote for the crook, it's important".
 
2013-10-22 07:55:53 AM  
Everyone's bad so vote Republican Bourbon
 
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