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2013-10-21 02:41:14 PM
2 votes:

Marine1: rpm: Marine1: They're far from the worst. The worst are companies that offer Android phones and say "Fark it, buy a new phone" when it comes to updates. As annoying as some of MS's update problems can be, they at least try to patch their mistakes and make improvements.

Except when it comes to phones. Didn't a bunch of Windows phones get farked with the "pay me" on the updates too?

Not quite in the same manner as Android. Windows Phone 7 devices ended up not receiving Windows Phone 8. This understandably made some people mad; on the other hand, Windows Phone 7 required a single-core processor, and probably wouldn't be able to run the software that Microsoft had wanted to add with the update. Microsoft then released a "hold-over" update in the form of Windows Phone 7.8, which added re-sizable Live Tiles and a few other of Windows Phone 8's features to Windows Phone 7 devices. It's not the optimal situation, but I suppose Microsoft  did try to bridge the gap. Windows Phone 7 has more or less disappeared since then, being superseded by Windows Phone 8 models. They're not sold anymore, save overstock and refurbished models. Budget phones running Windows Phone 8 can be found for $100 and up, off-contract.

Android, on the other hand, seems to be a breeding ground for devices that never receive update 1.

[img.fark.net image 850x478]

Android 2.3.5 "Gingerbread" was released on July 25th, 2011. I took this picture at a kiosk at a supermarket behind my apartment last week. These phones are available, right now, with a two-year-old, twice-replaced (at least) operating system running on them. Boost Mobile and AT&T also carry budget phones with insanely outdated versions of Android.


I'm thinking the people who buy their phones at a supermarket, probably don't care what version of the OS that is running.
2013-10-21 12:20:35 PM
2 votes:
I am using XP, so I get a kick out of this...
Had to spend an hour to get rid of endless repeating updates of dotNet 2.5 upgrades...
And their dotNet cleaning tool did not work off course...
They sure know how to upgrade their own software. And provide non-working clean-up tools.
2013-10-21 11:59:53 AM
2 votes:

theorellior: FTA: The updated version of the web browser has caused Google search results to be mashed together at the left hand side of a display. Others have reported IE11 has caused similar usability problems with Google's Play website and Music service.

Isolated incident. Overzealous coder.


I would give them the benefit of the doubt until the next part of the article which is that IE 11 breaks Outlook.com

So Microsoft you want us to use your tablet to use your cloud email and then your own browser isn't compatible??

Great way to earn trust.
2013-10-21 11:56:28 AM
2 votes:

demaL-demaL-yeH: Is this about the 8.1 RT update bricking devices?


So this is a problem for who again?  The four or five people who own Surface RT tablets who aren't Microsoft employees?  Not sure I'm seeing why this is news.
2013-10-21 08:37:18 PM
1 votes:

Orgasmatron138: Crudbucket: Bring back the Zune!

I like my Zune. I already had my music collection stored on my computer, so when I got the Zune I didn't have to convert the mp3s to whatever Apple's format is.

The only problem is that the 30 gig one I have is now too small.  I need to get a large capacity mp3 player, but I don't want to get another Zune if it's not supported anymore.

Anyone have any non-Apple suggestions?


Sansa makes one.
2013-10-21 08:00:05 PM
1 votes:

HeartBurnKid: Orgasmatron138: Crudbucket: Bring back the Zune!

I like my Zune. I already had my music collection stored on my computer, so when I got the Zune I didn't have to convert the mp3s to whatever Apple's format is.

The only problem is that the 30 gig one I have is now too small.  I need to get a large capacity mp3 player, but I don't want to get another Zune if it's not supported anymore.

Anyone have any non-Apple suggestions?

Unfortunately, the market for dedicated PMPs has been shrinking since the advent of smartphones. Probably the best recommendation I could make for you is a SanDisk Sansa Clip and a 64gb MicroSD card.


The Wife and I both have Sansa clips with large microSD cards. We love the little things.

Going on about 4 years now, works like a charm. Very simple interface, drag-and-drop audio files without any additional programs or iTunes nonsense.

Can't recommend them highly enough.
2013-10-21 07:47:09 PM
1 votes:

Bungles: If you want it to be literally identical to Windows 7, just install this:  http://www.classicshell.net/  and then your Start button is can be whatever you wish, even like Windows 95 if that floats your boat.


But you really should type with the new system.... it's different, but it's far, far more efficient than the old system. I use probably 30 prog

in a normal work week: once I'd set it up, it's smooth and wonderful.

Thanks. I didn't realize this one was free (donate). I'll happily donate for a good utility. I still beg to differ about the "smooth and wonderful." It requires so much mouse movement on a large screen and still requires you to memorize pictographs. I'll take a tight text menu any day.
2013-10-21 06:26:10 PM
1 votes:
Marine1
It's an often-overlooked problem, even in the tech community. If I can talk about it here, I will. There's a problem with today's open-source software: it allows crap like that to happen. They might as well have a stock boy standing next to that kiosk feeding copies of The Cathedral and the Bazaar into a shredder.

So the takeaway here is "buy an iPhone".

Got it.
2013-10-21 05:46:25 PM
1 votes:

Vaneshi: rpm: Except when it comes to phones. Didn't a bunch of Windows phones get farked with the "pay me" on the updates too?

Pretty much every WP7 based handset if I remember correctly, there was much shilling around its time of initial release that such things would never ever happen.

Kinda like the old PR bunny spiel that every new version of Windows was a "complete and total rewrite", you knew it was bollocks when they said it but for some reason you just can't fathom... people believe them time and time again.


They had a final "7.8" version for WP7 that added a lot of the new features that were in WP8, but it got delayed so much it ended up being kind of insulting and trivial to those who had an old handset.  They dropped that update in January this year, when WP8 had came out in October of the year before.

WP7 to WP8 was actually a massive shift, though.  WP7 was the last OS to run on the Windows CE kernel.  WP8 is on the NT kernel.

Even though they look very similar, the programming underneath is much different, with the end goal of making it easier to port between normal Windows and Windows Phone.
2013-10-21 05:21:38 PM
1 votes:

styckx: enik: If you're stupid enough to use 8.x you deserve everything you get.

Uh.. I've had Windows 8 since launch (legit paid for also) and upgraded to 8.1 the day of release.. I've had nothing but a pleasurable experience with it and is definitely better than Windows 7..


I have heard 2 things about Windows 8:

1) It is great if you have a touch screen.

2) It is a PITA to get it configured properly and then offers few benefits to the user while removing some popular features if you don't have a touchscreen.

Windows 8.1 seems to have done a good job alleviating my worries by adding more funtionality similar to previous Windows versions and I feel good about getting Windows 8.1 for my new desktop in the coming months.
I just don't see the downside anymore (new build, so I can get parts that will support it, no real risks there), unless I find a hell of a deal for Windows 7 when I am buying.
2013-10-21 05:00:31 PM
1 votes:

HeartBurnKid: Orgasmatron138: Crudbucket: Bring back the Zune!

I like my Zune. I already had my music collection stored on my computer, so when I got the Zune I didn't have to convert the mp3s to whatever Apple's format is.

The only problem is that the 30 gig one I have is now too small.  I need to get a large capacity mp3 player, but I don't want to get another Zune if it's not supported anymore.

Anyone have any non-Apple suggestions?

Unfortunately, the market for dedicated PMPs has been shrinking since the advent of smartphones. Probably the best recommendation I could make for you is a SanDisk Sansa Clip and a 64gb MicroSD card.


Actually, if you're handy, you can always try upgrading the hard drive in your Zune.  http://www.rapidrepair.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=cp-100gb_zun e _upgrade

Apparently, it's also possible to replace it with a CompactFlash card with the right adapter; that might be easier than chasing down obsolete hard drives.
2013-10-21 04:53:15 PM
1 votes:

Marine1: rpm: Marine1: They're far from the worst. The worst are companies that offer Android phones and say "Fark it, buy a new phone" when it comes to updates. As annoying as some of MS's update problems can be, they at least try to patch their mistakes and make improvements.

Except when it comes to phones. Didn't a bunch of Windows phones get farked with the "pay me" on the updates too?

Not quite in the same manner as Android. Windows Phone 7 devices ended up not receiving Windows Phone 8. This understandably made some people mad; on the other hand, Windows Phone 7 required a single-core processor, and probably wouldn't be able to run the software that Microsoft had wanted to add with the update. Microsoft then released a "hold-over" update in the form of Windows Phone 7.8, which added re-sizable Live Tiles and a few other of Windows Phone 8's features to Windows Phone 7 devices. It's not the optimal situation, but I suppose Microsoft  did try to bridge the gap. Windows Phone 7 has more or less disappeared since then, being superseded by Windows Phone 8 models. They're not sold anymore, save overstock and refurbished models. Budget phones running Windows Phone 8 can be found for $100 and up, off-contract.

Android, on the other hand, seems to be a breeding ground for devices that never receive update 1.

[img.fark.net image 850x478]

Android 2.3.5 "Gingerbread" was released on July 25th, 2011. I took this picture at a kiosk at a supermarket behind my apartment last week. These phones are available, right now, with a two-year-old, twice-replaced (at least) operating system running on them. Boost Mobile and AT&T also carry budget phones with insanely outdated versions of Android.


Microsoft did something quite nice here.  The carriers had to sign a license that allows them to skip only minor updates and delay major updates for testing for only a short period.  The carriers don't want you to be able to update your phone's OS, that's money out of their pocket because they want you to buy a new device and extend your contract instead.  Since Android has no central control, there's no requirement for the carrier to push an update to your phone ever.
2013-10-21 04:51:24 PM
1 votes:

xalres: It gets hate because it's put out by Microsoft. Pure and simple.


Yes BUT
The RT version was purposely mis-advertised.

All you saw on the box was MICROSOFT WINDWS 8 RT TABLET.

Very few buyers knew that it ran an OS which would not run any program you already had.

If it had been advertised as the new MS Surface Tab, and not associated with Win8, I don't think they would have gotten the hate.
2013-10-21 03:59:10 PM
1 votes:

gingerjet: demaL-demaL-yeH: Is this about the 8.1 RT update bricking devices?

So this is a problem for who again?  The four or five people who own Surface RT tablets who aren't Microsoft employees?  Not sure I'm seeing why this is news.


Outside of the lack of only being able to run apps on the RT instead of programs, the device is actually pretty nice. Don't know why it's getting so much hate.


/Surface RT user
/Uses it as a supplement, not as a laptop replacement
2013-10-21 03:40:32 PM
1 votes:

Slaves2Darkness: Marine1: rpm: Marine1: They're far from the worst. The worst are companies that offer Android phones and say "Fark it, buy a new phone" when it comes to updates. As annoying as some of MS's update problems can be, they at least try to patch their mistakes and make improvements.

Except when it comes to phones. Didn't a bunch of Windows phones get farked with the "pay me" on the updates too?

Not quite in the same manner as Android. Windows Phone 7 devices ended up not receiving Windows Phone 8. This understandably made some people mad; on the other hand, Windows Phone 7 required a single-core processor, and probably wouldn't be able to run the software that Microsoft had wanted to add with the update. Microsoft then released a "hold-over" update in the form of Windows Phone 7.8, which added re-sizable Live Tiles and a few other of Windows Phone 8's features to Windows Phone 7 devices. It's not the optimal situation, but I suppose Microsoft  did try to bridge the gap. Windows Phone 7 has more or less disappeared since then, being superseded by Windows Phone 8 models. They're not sold anymore, save overstock and refurbished models. Budget phones running Windows Phone 8 can be found for $100 and up, off-contract.

Android, on the other hand, seems to be a breeding ground for devices that never receive update 1.

[img.fark.net image 850x478]

Android 2.3.5 "Gingerbread" was released on July 25th, 2011. I took this picture at a kiosk at a supermarket behind my apartment last week. These phones are available, right now, with a two-year-old, twice-replaced (at least) operating system running on them. Boost Mobile and AT&T also carry budget phones with insanely outdated versions of Android.

I'm thinking the people who buy their phones at a supermarket, probably don't care what version of the OS that is running.


I got my head talked off when I said 'there are still Android tablets running 2.0 at Walgreen's and CVS'
2013-10-21 03:30:29 PM
1 votes:

ikanreed: And microsoft will not allow you, under any circumstances to prevent an update, short of never going on the internet again.  "We know better than you how you want to use your computer."



Ummmm.... I'm pretty sure that's not true.
2013-10-21 03:11:07 PM
1 votes:

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Marine1: Slaves2Darkness: Marine1: rpm: Marine1: They're far from the worst. The worst are companies that offer Android phones and say "Fark it, buy a new phone" when it comes to updates. As annoying as some of MS's update problems can be, they at least try to patch their mistakes and make improvements.

Except when it comes to phones. Didn't a bunch of Windows phones get farked with the "pay me" on the updates too?

Not quite in the same manner as Android. Windows Phone 7 devices ended up not receiving Windows Phone 8. This understandably made some people mad; on the other hand, Windows Phone 7 required a single-core processor, and probably wouldn't be able to run the software that Microsoft had wanted to add with the update. Microsoft then released a "hold-over" update in the form of Windows Phone 7.8, which added re-sizable Live Tiles and a few other of Windows Phone 8's features to Windows Phone 7 devices. It's not the optimal situation, but I suppose Microsoft  did try to bridge the gap. Windows Phone 7 has more or less disappeared since then, being superseded by Windows Phone 8 models. They're not sold anymore, save overstock and refurbished models. Budget phones running Windows Phone 8 can be found for $100 and up, off-contract.

Android, on the other hand, seems to be a breeding ground for devices that never receive update 1.

[img.fark.net image 850x478]

Android 2.3.5 "Gingerbread" was released on July 25th, 2011. I took this picture at a kiosk at a supermarket behind my apartment last week. These phones are available, right now, with a two-year-old, twice-replaced (at least) operating system running on them. Boost Mobile and AT&T also carry budget phones with insanely outdated versions of Android.

I'm thinking the people who buy their phones at a supermarket, probably don't care what version of the OS that is running.

Whether they care or not does not matter. These phones are still used to read email, transmit credit card information, log onto private a ...


It's an often-overlooked problem, even in the tech community. If I can talk about it here, I will. There's a problem with today's open-source software: it allows crap like that to happen. They might as well have a stock boy standing next to that kiosk feeding copies of  The Cathedral and the Bazaar into a shredder.
2013-10-21 03:02:11 PM
1 votes:

Bungles: (also, your desktop still exists, just think of it as an app you open. If you wish, you can use Windows 8 in exactly the same manner as Windows 7.... although you shouldn't, once you get used to it and understand the quirks, the new system is incredibly efficient. It just requires setting up.)


This would assume that computer folks are capable of adapting to change.  As you can see by these threads they are not.
2013-10-21 02:57:50 PM
1 votes:

Orgasmatron138: Crudbucket: Bring back the Zune!

I like my Zune. I already had my music collection stored on my computer, so when I got the Zune I didn't have to convert the mp3s to whatever Apple's format is.

The only problem is that the 30 gig one I have is now too small.  I need to get a large capacity mp3 player, but I don't want to get another Zune if it's not supported anymore.

Anyone have any non-Apple suggestions?


SanDisk makes some decent and very cheap mp3 players that accept microSD cards.  Over 64 GB of storage for under $100.  They aren't as nice as the Zune or the iPod, but they get the job done for cheap.
2013-10-21 02:55:09 PM
1 votes:

Marine1: Slaves2Darkness: Marine1: rpm: Marine1: They're far from the worst. The worst are companies that offer Android phones and say "Fark it, buy a new phone" when it comes to updates. As annoying as some of MS's update problems can be, they at least try to patch their mistakes and make improvements.

Except when it comes to phones. Didn't a bunch of Windows phones get farked with the "pay me" on the updates too?

Not quite in the same manner as Android. Windows Phone 7 devices ended up not receiving Windows Phone 8. This understandably made some people mad; on the other hand, Windows Phone 7 required a single-core processor, and probably wouldn't be able to run the software that Microsoft had wanted to add with the update. Microsoft then released a "hold-over" update in the form of Windows Phone 7.8, which added re-sizable Live Tiles and a few other of Windows Phone 8's features to Windows Phone 7 devices. It's not the optimal situation, but I suppose Microsoft  did try to bridge the gap. Windows Phone 7 has more or less disappeared since then, being superseded by Windows Phone 8 models. They're not sold anymore, save overstock and refurbished models. Budget phones running Windows Phone 8 can be found for $100 and up, off-contract.

Android, on the other hand, seems to be a breeding ground for devices that never receive update 1.

[img.fark.net image 850x478]

Android 2.3.5 "Gingerbread" was released on July 25th, 2011. I took this picture at a kiosk at a supermarket behind my apartment last week. These phones are available, right now, with a two-year-old, twice-replaced (at least) operating system running on them. Boost Mobile and AT&T also carry budget phones with insanely outdated versions of Android.

I'm thinking the people who buy their phones at a supermarket, probably don't care what version of the OS that is running.

Whether they care or not does not matter. These phones are still used to read email, transmit credit card information, log onto private accounts, and log on to wireless networks. In other words, they are used for things where security matters, whether John or Jane Q. Public are smart enough to figure that out or not. Just because people are dumb enough to buy these things doesn't mean they should be sold.


Gallant takes the matter up with the supermarket management, the Better Business Bureau and the local Attorney General.

Goofus whines about it on Fark to deflect Microsoft criticisms.
2013-10-21 02:48:24 PM
1 votes:
Windows 8.1 (never tried Windows 8) is a mess. Apparently it's a "better" user experience to fill up your screen with pictographs and flashy transitions rather than providing a fast and efficient means of opening programs and transitioning between them. I click the start menu and I get a blank page other than a little button in the bottom corner. I have to move my mouse to click on that to get a programs list. Of course, the font for that programs list is so massive that it only displays the first ten or so letters and I get to guess which button is correct. Not to mention they somehow broke the "type to search" function and what was effectively instantaneous in Win7 now takes a few seconds. I'd reinstall Windows 7 if it weren't a computer I only use to play movies....
2013-10-21 02:45:39 PM
1 votes:

Slaves2Darkness: Marine1: rpm: Marine1: They're far from the worst. The worst are companies that offer Android phones and say "Fark it, buy a new phone" when it comes to updates. As annoying as some of MS's update problems can be, they at least try to patch their mistakes and make improvements.

Except when it comes to phones. Didn't a bunch of Windows phones get farked with the "pay me" on the updates too?

Not quite in the same manner as Android. Windows Phone 7 devices ended up not receiving Windows Phone 8. This understandably made some people mad; on the other hand, Windows Phone 7 required a single-core processor, and probably wouldn't be able to run the software that Microsoft had wanted to add with the update. Microsoft then released a "hold-over" update in the form of Windows Phone 7.8, which added re-sizable Live Tiles and a few other of Windows Phone 8's features to Windows Phone 7 devices. It's not the optimal situation, but I suppose Microsoft  did try to bridge the gap. Windows Phone 7 has more or less disappeared since then, being superseded by Windows Phone 8 models. They're not sold anymore, save overstock and refurbished models. Budget phones running Windows Phone 8 can be found for $100 and up, off-contract.

Android, on the other hand, seems to be a breeding ground for devices that never receive update 1.

[img.fark.net image 850x478]

Android 2.3.5 "Gingerbread" was released on July 25th, 2011. I took this picture at a kiosk at a supermarket behind my apartment last week. These phones are available, right now, with a two-year-old, twice-replaced (at least) operating system running on them. Boost Mobile and AT&T also carry budget phones with insanely outdated versions of Android.

I'm thinking the people who buy their phones at a supermarket, probably don't care what version of the OS that is running.


Whether they care or not does not matter. These phones are still used to read email, transmit credit card information, log onto private accounts, and log on to wireless networks. In other words, they are used for things where security matters, whether John or Jane Q. Public are smart enough to figure that out or not. Just because people are dumb enough to buy these things doesn't mean they should be sold.
2013-10-21 02:38:21 PM
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: Just for the record, iPods play mp3 files. My entire collection is mp3 and I've never had a problem. Of course, it does tether you to iTunes. So I can certainly understand avoiding Apple options.


I manage my iPod with Foobar, and I've never had a problem.  Mind you, these are iPod classics because I want the larger capacity and don't really need the bells and whistles of the Touch because my iPod is for exercising or use in the car.

Lsherm: MAKE SURE YOU'VE CHECKED YOUR DRIVER SUPPORT!

I stupidly installed 8.1 without checking to make sure it was compatible with my desktop and sure enough, my Creative X-Fi Titanium promptly quit working and refused to work no matter what I did.  Creative hasn't even released a statement whether or not 8.1 will be supported.

Thankfully, I take weekly backups so I just rolled back the installation.  I'll wait a few months before trying it again.


This.  I installed 8.1 and found my new Logitech F710 wireless controller no longer worked.

I would have just accepted it, but 8.1 ruined my Start screen by turning almost all of my icons a ghastly bright orange color, deleted Avast entirely, and rearranged everything on the Start screen I had perfectly arranged.

I also rolled back, but I was stupid and didn't have a weekly back up, so I spent a good deal of time re-downloading everything in Steam.
2013-10-21 02:34:00 PM
1 votes:

rpm: Marine1: They're far from the worst. The worst are companies that offer Android phones and say "Fark it, buy a new phone" when it comes to updates. As annoying as some of MS's update problems can be, they at least try to patch their mistakes and make improvements.

Except when it comes to phones. Didn't a bunch of Windows phones get farked with the "pay me" on the updates too?


Not quite in the same manner as Android. Windows Phone 7 devices ended up not receiving Windows Phone 8. This understandably made some people mad; on the other hand, Windows Phone 7 required a single-core processor, and probably wouldn't be able to run the software that Microsoft had wanted to add with the update. Microsoft then released a "hold-over" update in the form of Windows Phone 7.8, which added re-sizable Live Tiles and a few other of Windows Phone 8's features to Windows Phone 7 devices. It's not the optimal situation, but I suppose Microsoft  did try to bridge the gap. Windows Phone 7 has more or less disappeared since then, being superseded by Windows Phone 8 models. They're not sold anymore, save overstock and refurbished models. Budget phones running Windows Phone 8 can be found for $100 and up, off-contract.

Android, on the other hand, seems to be a breeding ground for devices that never receive update 1.

img.fark.net

Android 2.3.5 "Gingerbread" was released on July 25th, 2011. I took this picture at a kiosk at a supermarket behind my apartment last week. These phones are available, right now, with a two-year-old, twice-replaced (at least) operating system running on them. Boost Mobile and AT&T also carry budget phones with insanely outdated versions of Android.
2013-10-21 02:22:04 PM
1 votes:

Bungles: enik: If you're stupid enough to use 8.x you deserve everything you get.

Why? It's lovely, and I go as far as to say elegant if you have a multitouch trackpad.


MAKE SURE YOU'VE CHECKED YOUR DRIVER SUPPORT!

I stupidly installed 8.1 without checking to make sure it was compatible with my desktop and sure enough, my Creative X-Fi Titanium promptly quit working and refused to work no matter what I did.  Creative hasn't even released a statement whether or not 8.1 will be supported.

Thankfully, I take weekly backups so I just rolled back the installation.  I'll wait a few months before trying it again.
2013-10-21 01:54:13 PM
1 votes:
Meanwhile the last Android update still hasn't fixed the random reboots and crashes on my Nexus 10 tablet, which is the flagship tablet for Google (and yes, I've done a factory wipe to see if it was apps causing the issues). Hopefully the Kit Kat update fixes the issues.
2013-10-21 01:53:04 PM
1 votes:
If you're stupid enough to use 8.x you deserve everything you get.
2013-10-21 01:50:32 PM
1 votes:

skozlaw: meatofmystery: Clearly, the failure that is MS is the only tech company that has done this.

They're worse than most others. Bad enough that it's SOP among professionals to either have a whole duplicate test environment just for patch testing or to delay patch implementations by some period. I won't put any patch on a production server that's less than 2 weeks old or didn't go through a dev server first.

Blizzard may be the only software company I've ever seen that's even less competent when it comes to patches and updates, although Cisco is pretty good at shoving you down and kicking you in the balls with their antics too sometimes.


They're far from the worst. The worst are companies that offer Android phones and say "Fark it, buy a new phone" when it comes to updates. As annoying as some of MS's update problems can be, they at least try to patch their mistakes and make improvements.
2013-10-21 01:33:24 PM
1 votes:

meatofmystery: Clearly, the failure that is MS is the only tech company that has done this.


They're worse than most others. Bad enough that it's SOP among professionals to either have a whole duplicate test environment just for patch testing or to delay patch implementations by some period. I won't put any patch on a production server that's less than 2 weeks old or didn't go through a dev server first.

Blizzard may be the only software company I've ever seen that's even less competent when it comes to patches and updates, although Cisco is pretty good at shoving you down and kicking you in the balls with their antics too sometimes.
2013-10-21 01:19:54 PM
1 votes:
I can't believe a company would go to such lengths to update its OS and still have problems.

Wait, is this the thread where we talk about IOS 7?

/Or 7.0.1?
//Or 7.0.2?
2013-10-21 01:13:21 PM
1 votes:

meatofmystery: Clearly, the failure that is MS is the only tech company that has done this.


Of course, Apple and google have never had any issues with upgrading software on any device ever.  Microsoft will come to your house, beat your wife and rape your dog if you dare update their software or something like that.
2013-10-21 01:02:59 PM
1 votes:
This is a known property of software systems.

NASA used to document bugs in the software that ran the Space Shuttle computers, and it it wasn't a critical problem, they would just leave them without fixing them, because they knew that for every X bugs they fixed, they'd introduce a new, unknown bug.

The devil you know is oft times better than the one you don't.
2013-10-21 12:44:04 PM
1 votes:

Orgasmatron138: Crudbucket: Bring back the Zune!

I like my Zune. I already had my music collection stored on my computer, so when I got the Zune I didn't have to convert the mp3s to whatever Apple's format is.

The only problem is that the 30 gig one I have is now too small.  I need to get a large capacity mp3 player, but I don't want to get another Zune if it's not supported anymore.

Anyone have any non-Apple suggestions?


I tried looking for a non-Apple high storage MP3 player but nobody seems to do them any more.

Next option should I not find one and still want one will be a cheap Android phone with a big microSD card in it and no SIM. Basically a poor man's iPod touch.
2013-10-21 12:43:14 PM
1 votes:

Orgasmatron138: Crudbucket: Bring back the Zune!

I like my Zune. I already had my music collection stored on my computer, so when I got the Zune I didn't have to convert the mp3s to whatever Apple's format is.

The only problem is that the 30 gig one I have is now too small.  I need to get a large capacity mp3 player, but I don't want to get another Zune if it's not supported anymore.

Anyone have any non-Apple suggestions?


Just for the record, iPods play mp3 files. My entire collection is mp3 and I've never had a problem. Of course, it does tether you to iTunes. So I can certainly understand avoiding Apple options.
2013-10-21 12:39:18 PM
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Crudbucket: Bring back the Zune!


I like my Zune. I already had my music collection stored on my computer, so when I got the Zune I didn't have to convert the mp3s to whatever Apple's format is.

The only problem is that the 30 gig one I have is now too small.  I need to get a large capacity mp3 player, but I don't want to get another Zune if it's not supported anymore.

Anyone have any non-Apple suggestions?
2013-10-21 12:26:05 PM
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The 8.1 update on my Asus tablet (full Windows) was a huge improvement in boot time, and overall performance increased nicely.
I don't know MS managed to screw up the RT version.
2013-10-21 11:56:03 AM
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You say that like it's a new thing.
2013-10-21 11:51:48 AM
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FTA: The updated version of the web browser has caused Google search results to be mashed together at the left hand side of a display. Others have reported IE11 has caused similar usability problems with Google's Play website and Music service.

Isolated incident. Overzealous coder.
2013-10-21 11:49:44 AM
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Is this about the 8.1 RT update bricking devices?
*clicks link*
Yup.
 
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