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2013-10-21 11:48:50 AM
Clearly, the failure that is MS is the only tech company that has done this.
 
2013-10-21 11:49:44 AM
Is this about the 8.1 RT update bricking devices?
*clicks link*
Yup.
 
2013-10-21 11:51:48 AM
FTA: The updated version of the web browser has caused Google search results to be mashed together at the left hand side of a display. Others have reported IE11 has caused similar usability problems with Google's Play website and Music service.

Isolated incident. Overzealous coder.
 
2013-10-21 11:56:03 AM
You say that like it's a new thing.
 
2013-10-21 11:56:28 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Is this about the 8.1 RT update bricking devices?


So this is a problem for who again?  The four or five people who own Surface RT tablets who aren't Microsoft employees?  Not sure I'm seeing why this is news.
 
2013-10-21 11:58:37 AM
Desktop threadimg.fark.net
 
2013-10-21 11:59:53 AM

theorellior: FTA: The updated version of the web browser has caused Google search results to be mashed together at the left hand side of a display. Others have reported IE11 has caused similar usability problems with Google's Play website and Music service.

Isolated incident. Overzealous coder.


I would give them the benefit of the doubt until the next part of the article which is that IE 11 breaks Outlook.com

So Microsoft you want us to use your tablet to use your cloud email and then your own browser isn't compatible??

Great way to earn trust.
 
2013-10-21 12:00:01 PM

meatofmystery: Clearly, the failure that is MS is the only tech company that has done this.


Upgrade always = malfunction.
 
2013-10-21 12:06:51 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Desktop thread[img.fark.net image 850x293]


Sure why not

i.imgur.com

/8.1
 
2013-10-21 12:18:57 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Desktop thread[img.fark.net image 850x293]


What is that weird box in the bottom right corner of your FARK page?
 
2013-10-21 12:20:35 PM
I am using XP, so I get a kick out of this...
Had to spend an hour to get rid of endless repeating updates of dotNet 2.5 upgrades...
And their dotNet cleaning tool did not work off course...
They sure know how to upgrade their own software. And provide non-working clean-up tools.
 
2013-10-21 12:22:16 PM

Witty_Retort: drjekel_mrhyde: Desktop thread[img.fark.net image 850x293]

What is that weird box in the bottom right corner of your FARK page?


Fark's way of asking for money
/If one more loud ass ad start playing, I'm going to enable ad-block
 
2013-10-21 12:22:56 PM
It looks like you're trying to operate a business.  Let me help you
 
2013-10-21 12:26:05 PM
The 8.1 update on my Asus tablet (full Windows) was a huge improvement in boot time, and overall performance increased nicely.
I don't know MS managed to screw up the RT version.
 
2013-10-21 12:29:10 PM
This is the only way they have left to get us to talk about their software.  They're just trolling at this point.
 
2013-10-21 12:30:21 PM
Bring back the Zune!
 
2013-10-21 12:35:08 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: meatofmystery: Clearly, the failure that is MS is the only tech company that has done this.

Upgrade always = malfunction.


This has nothing to do with computers, but a favorite auto teacher of mine once said, "The three words every mechanic hates most is 'new and improved'."
 
2013-10-21 12:39:18 PM

Crudbucket: Bring back the Zune!


I like my Zune. I already had my music collection stored on my computer, so when I got the Zune I didn't have to convert the mp3s to whatever Apple's format is.

The only problem is that the 30 gig one I have is now too small.  I need to get a large capacity mp3 player, but I don't want to get another Zune if it's not supported anymore.

Anyone have any non-Apple suggestions?
 
2013-10-21 12:43:14 PM

Orgasmatron138: Crudbucket: Bring back the Zune!

I like my Zune. I already had my music collection stored on my computer, so when I got the Zune I didn't have to convert the mp3s to whatever Apple's format is.

The only problem is that the 30 gig one I have is now too small.  I need to get a large capacity mp3 player, but I don't want to get another Zune if it's not supported anymore.

Anyone have any non-Apple suggestions?


Just for the record, iPods play mp3 files. My entire collection is mp3 and I've never had a problem. Of course, it does tether you to iTunes. So I can certainly understand avoiding Apple options.
 
2013-10-21 12:43:55 PM
The latest Windows update is causing problems for owners of Microsoft's Surface RT gadgets.

What problems could it possibly cause that would be worse than the usual RT experience?
 
2013-10-21 12:44:04 PM

Orgasmatron138: Crudbucket: Bring back the Zune!

I like my Zune. I already had my music collection stored on my computer, so when I got the Zune I didn't have to convert the mp3s to whatever Apple's format is.

The only problem is that the 30 gig one I have is now too small.  I need to get a large capacity mp3 player, but I don't want to get another Zune if it's not supported anymore.

Anyone have any non-Apple suggestions?


I tried looking for a non-Apple high storage MP3 player but nobody seems to do them any more.

Next option should I not find one and still want one will be a cheap Android phone with a big microSD card in it and no SIM. Basically a poor man's iPod touch.
 
2013-10-21 12:52:41 PM

IanMoone: theorellior: FTA: The updated version of the web browser has caused Google search results to be mashed together at the left hand side of a display. Others have reported IE11 has caused similar usability problems with Google's Play website and Music service.

Isolated incident. Overzealous coder.

I would give them the benefit of the doubt until the next part of the article which is that IE 11 breaks Outlook.com

So Microsoft you want us to use your tablet to use your cloud email and then your own browser isn't compatible??

Great way to earn trust.


When we had Outlook 2003 the only version of IE that would work on it was IE6.  Mozilla, Opera, and Chrome all worked perfectly fine.
 
2013-10-21 01:02:44 PM

Orgasmatron138: Crudbucket: Bring back the Zune!

I like my Zune. I already had my music collection stored on my computer, so when I got the Zune I didn't have to convert the mp3s to whatever Apple's format is.

The only problem is that the 30 gig one I have is now too small.  I need to get a large capacity mp3 player, but I don't want to get another Zune if it's not supported anymore.

Anyone have any non-Apple suggestions?


Nokia is bringing out a MP3 player tomorrow or you can just get a Lumia 520 for $99 and a 64GB SD card
/you can also use it a a phone, xbox smart glass, GPS, or time wasting video game player
 
2013-10-21 01:02:59 PM
This is a known property of software systems.

NASA used to document bugs in the software that ran the Space Shuttle computers, and it it wasn't a critical problem, they would just leave them without fixing them, because they knew that for every X bugs they fixed, they'd introduce a new, unknown bug.

The devil you know is oft times better than the one you don't.
 
2013-10-21 01:13:21 PM

meatofmystery: Clearly, the failure that is MS is the only tech company that has done this.


Of course, Apple and google have never had any issues with upgrading software on any device ever.  Microsoft will come to your house, beat your wife and rape your dog if you dare update their software or something like that.
 
2013-10-21 01:18:31 PM
Sounds remarkably like th company I work for.
Except for the profits.
 
2013-10-21 01:19:54 PM
I can't believe a company would go to such lengths to update its OS and still have problems.

Wait, is this the thread where we talk about IOS 7?

/Or 7.0.1?
//Or 7.0.2?
 
2013-10-21 01:33:24 PM

meatofmystery: Clearly, the failure that is MS is the only tech company that has done this.


They're worse than most others. Bad enough that it's SOP among professionals to either have a whole duplicate test environment just for patch testing or to delay patch implementations by some period. I won't put any patch on a production server that's less than 2 weeks old or didn't go through a dev server first.

Blizzard may be the only software company I've ever seen that's even less competent when it comes to patches and updates, although Cisco is pretty good at shoving you down and kicking you in the balls with their antics too sometimes.
 
2013-10-21 01:34:00 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-21 01:34:48 PM
Let's hope that Microsoft's next OS wouldn't be a huge mess.
 
2013-10-21 01:34:50 PM

styckx: drjekel_mrhyde: Desktop thread[img.fark.net image 850x293]

Sure why not

[i.imgur.com image 850x478]

/8.1


I'm afraid I need to ask you for what you're using for that config, both the floating google search bar and the utilities below it.

If you're willing, that is.
 
2013-10-21 01:42:55 PM
Neither can mozilla these days..

Firefox 24..
Firefox 24.1
FireFox 24.3
Firefox ...
 
2013-10-21 01:44:14 PM

IanMoone: theorellior: FTA: The updated version of the web browser has caused Google search results to be mashed together at the left hand side of a display. Others have reported IE11 has caused similar usability problems with Google's Play website and Music service.

Isolated incident. Overzealous coder.

I would give them the benefit of the doubt until the next part of the article which is that IE 11 breaks Outlook.com

So Microsoft you want us to use your tablet to use your cloud email and then your own browser isn't compatible??

Great way to earn trust.


To be fair, on Windows 8.1, everything that Outlook.com does is integrated into the Mail and Calendar apps and everything integrates when you attach your Outlook.com credentials to the tablet. I'm guessing they assumed everyone would be smart enough to use the included apps instead of farking around with the web site to do everything the hard way.
 
2013-10-21 01:44:15 PM

SordidEuphemism: styckx: drjekel_mrhyde: Desktop thread[img.fark.net image 850x293]

Sure why not

[i.imgur.com image 850x478]

/8.1

I'm afraid I need to ask you for what you're using for that config, both the floating google search bar and the utilities below it.

If you're willing, that is.


Rainmeter w/ the Obsidian skin set for the floating system stats, date etc,  and WP7 skin set for the Google search bar.
 
2013-10-21 01:48:25 PM

Pharque-it: I am using XP, so I get a kick out of this...
Had to spend an hour to get rid of endless repeating updates of dotNet 2.5 upgrades...
And their dotNet cleaning tool did not work off course...
They sure know how to upgrade their own software. And provide non-working clean-up tools.


Your answer to this question will dictate how I view you for the rest of this thread, and perhaps beyond:

Are you in a situation where you  have to use XP?

/girlfriend's tablet updated without problems
//good thing, too, because I was in no mood.
 
2013-10-21 01:50:32 PM

skozlaw: meatofmystery: Clearly, the failure that is MS is the only tech company that has done this.

They're worse than most others. Bad enough that it's SOP among professionals to either have a whole duplicate test environment just for patch testing or to delay patch implementations by some period. I won't put any patch on a production server that's less than 2 weeks old or didn't go through a dev server first.

Blizzard may be the only software company I've ever seen that's even less competent when it comes to patches and updates, although Cisco is pretty good at shoving you down and kicking you in the balls with their antics too sometimes.


They're far from the worst. The worst are companies that offer Android phones and say "Fark it, buy a new phone" when it comes to updates. As annoying as some of MS's update problems can be, they at least try to patch their mistakes and make improvements.
 
2013-10-21 01:53:04 PM
If you're stupid enough to use 8.x you deserve everything you get.
 
2013-10-21 01:54:13 PM
Meanwhile the last Android update still hasn't fixed the random reboots and crashes on my Nexus 10 tablet, which is the flagship tablet for Google (and yes, I've done a factory wipe to see if it was apps causing the issues). Hopefully the Kit Kat update fixes the issues.
 
2013-10-21 02:05:23 PM

enik: If you're stupid enough to use 8.x you deserve everything you get.


Why? It's lovely, and I go as far as to say elegant if you have a multitouch trackpad.
 
rpm
2013-10-21 02:11:53 PM

Marine1: They're far from the worst. The worst are companies that offer Android phones and say "Fark it, buy a new phone" when it comes to updates. As annoying as some of MS's update problems can be, they at least try to patch their mistakes and make improvements.


Except when it comes to phones. Didn't a bunch of Windows phones get farked with the "pay me" on the updates too?
 
2013-10-21 02:20:42 PM

enik: If you're stupid enough to use 8.x you deserve everything you get.


Uh.. I've had Windows 8 since launch (legit paid for also) and upgraded to 8.1 the day of release.. I've had nothing but a pleasurable experience with it and is definitely better than Windows 7..
 
2013-10-21 02:22:04 PM

Bungles: enik: If you're stupid enough to use 8.x you deserve everything you get.

Why? It's lovely, and I go as far as to say elegant if you have a multitouch trackpad.


MAKE SURE YOU'VE CHECKED YOUR DRIVER SUPPORT!

I stupidly installed 8.1 without checking to make sure it was compatible with my desktop and sure enough, my Creative X-Fi Titanium promptly quit working and refused to work no matter what I did.  Creative hasn't even released a statement whether or not 8.1 will be supported.

Thankfully, I take weekly backups so I just rolled back the installation.  I'll wait a few months before trying it again.
 
2013-10-21 02:26:36 PM

rpm: Marine1: They're far from the worst. The worst are companies that offer Android phones and say "Fark it, buy a new phone" when it comes to updates. As annoying as some of MS's update problems can be, they at least try to patch their mistakes and make improvements.

Except when it comes to phones. Didn't a bunch of Windows phones get farked with the "pay me" on the updates too?


There was a big discontinuity between Windows Phone 7 and Windows Phone 8, with the latter requiring newer, dual-core chipsets. Honestly it wasn't THAT big of an issue because a lot of the upgrades required new hardware anyway (720p screen support, NFC, better external memory card support). The only people that really got screwed were the ones who jumped on a first gen Nokia Lumias like the 710 or the 900 (which was released 6 months before the Lumia 920 came out for the same price), but the bright side is that if they REALLY want a new phone before their contract is up they can pick up a Lumia 520 or 521 for less than a hundred bucks with no contract in the short term.

Microsoft is not the only ones who screwed early adopters, though. The first gen iPad is stuck at iOS 5 even though it has a faster processor than the iPhone 4. I guess they shortchanged it on RAM, making future updates impossible.
 
2013-10-21 02:28:13 PM

Lsherm: Bungles: enik: If you're stupid enough to use 8.x you deserve everything you get.

Why? It's lovely, and I go as far as to say elegant if you have a multitouch trackpad.

MAKE SURE YOU'VE CHECKED YOUR DRIVER SUPPORT!

I stupidly installed 8.1 without checking to make sure it was compatible with my desktop and sure enough, my Creative X-Fi Titanium promptly quit working and refused to work no matter what I did.  Creative hasn't even released a statement whether or not 8.1 will be supported.

Thankfully, I take weekly backups so I just rolled back the installation.  I'll wait a few months before trying it again.


I have an X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro and it works.. The problem is it doesn't save any settings after a reboot  in Console Launcher now (just like when Windows 8 came out).. Try switching to Entertainment mode and your sound will kick in..
A round about way to save your settings is to put the PC to sleep and it will save them..  Creative always have been, and always will be terrible with driver support..
 
2013-10-21 02:31:30 PM

Lsherm: Bungles: enik: If you're stupid enough to use 8.x you deserve everything you get.

Why? It's lovely, and I go as far as to say elegant if you have a multitouch trackpad.

MAKE SURE YOU'VE CHECKED YOUR DRIVER SUPPORT!

I stupidly installed 8.1 without checking to make sure it was compatible with my desktop and sure enough, my Creative X-Fi Titanium promptly quit working and refused to work no matter what I did.  Creative hasn't even released a statement whether or not 8.1 will be supported.

Thankfully, I take weekly backups so I just rolled back the installation.  I'll wait a few months before trying it again.


Yeah, it was fun enough gettin my X-fi titanium to (barely) work in 8. I'll just have to go back to the onboard Realtek driver. farking Creative...
 
2013-10-21 02:32:14 PM

Lsherm: Bungles: enik: If you're stupid enough to use 8.x you deserve everything you get.

Why? It's lovely, and I go as far as to say elegant if you have a multitouch trackpad.

MAKE SURE YOU'VE CHECKED YOUR DRIVER SUPPORT!

I stupidly installed 8.1 without checking to make sure it was compatible with my desktop and sure enough, my Creative X-Fi Titanium promptly quit working and refused to work no matter what I did.  Creative hasn't even released a statement whether or not 8.1 will be supported.

Thankfully, I take weekly backups so I just rolled back the installation.  I'll wait a few months before trying it again.



I'm sure it will be supported. You can just "not support" what will be 90% of the user base in a couple of years.

It's also not like Creative didn't have close to a year's warning and developer builds.
 
2013-10-21 02:34:00 PM

rpm: Marine1: They're far from the worst. The worst are companies that offer Android phones and say "Fark it, buy a new phone" when it comes to updates. As annoying as some of MS's update problems can be, they at least try to patch their mistakes and make improvements.

Except when it comes to phones. Didn't a bunch of Windows phones get farked with the "pay me" on the updates too?


Not quite in the same manner as Android. Windows Phone 7 devices ended up not receiving Windows Phone 8. This understandably made some people mad; on the other hand, Windows Phone 7 required a single-core processor, and probably wouldn't be able to run the software that Microsoft had wanted to add with the update. Microsoft then released a "hold-over" update in the form of Windows Phone 7.8, which added re-sizable Live Tiles and a few other of Windows Phone 8's features to Windows Phone 7 devices. It's not the optimal situation, but I suppose Microsoft  did try to bridge the gap. Windows Phone 7 has more or less disappeared since then, being superseded by Windows Phone 8 models. They're not sold anymore, save overstock and refurbished models. Budget phones running Windows Phone 8 can be found for $100 and up, off-contract.

Android, on the other hand, seems to be a breeding ground for devices that never receive update 1.

img.fark.net

Android 2.3.5 "Gingerbread" was released on July 25th, 2011. I took this picture at a kiosk at a supermarket behind my apartment last week. These phones are available, right now, with a two-year-old, twice-replaced (at least) operating system running on them. Boost Mobile and AT&T also carry budget phones with insanely outdated versions of Android.
 
2013-10-21 02:38:21 PM

NeoCortex42: Just for the record, iPods play mp3 files. My entire collection is mp3 and I've never had a problem. Of course, it does tether you to iTunes. So I can certainly understand avoiding Apple options.


I manage my iPod with Foobar, and I've never had a problem.  Mind you, these are iPod classics because I want the larger capacity and don't really need the bells and whistles of the Touch because my iPod is for exercising or use in the car.

Lsherm: MAKE SURE YOU'VE CHECKED YOUR DRIVER SUPPORT!

I stupidly installed 8.1 without checking to make sure it was compatible with my desktop and sure enough, my Creative X-Fi Titanium promptly quit working and refused to work no matter what I did.  Creative hasn't even released a statement whether or not 8.1 will be supported.

Thankfully, I take weekly backups so I just rolled back the installation.  I'll wait a few months before trying it again.


This.  I installed 8.1 and found my new Logitech F710 wireless controller no longer worked.

I would have just accepted it, but 8.1 ruined my Start screen by turning almost all of my icons a ghastly bright orange color, deleted Avast entirely, and rearranged everything on the Start screen I had perfectly arranged.

I also rolled back, but I was stupid and didn't have a weekly back up, so I spent a good deal of time re-downloading everything in Steam.
 
2013-10-21 02:41:14 PM

Marine1: rpm: Marine1: They're far from the worst. The worst are companies that offer Android phones and say "Fark it, buy a new phone" when it comes to updates. As annoying as some of MS's update problems can be, they at least try to patch their mistakes and make improvements.

Except when it comes to phones. Didn't a bunch of Windows phones get farked with the "pay me" on the updates too?

Not quite in the same manner as Android. Windows Phone 7 devices ended up not receiving Windows Phone 8. This understandably made some people mad; on the other hand, Windows Phone 7 required a single-core processor, and probably wouldn't be able to run the software that Microsoft had wanted to add with the update. Microsoft then released a "hold-over" update in the form of Windows Phone 7.8, which added re-sizable Live Tiles and a few other of Windows Phone 8's features to Windows Phone 7 devices. It's not the optimal situation, but I suppose Microsoft  did try to bridge the gap. Windows Phone 7 has more or less disappeared since then, being superseded by Windows Phone 8 models. They're not sold anymore, save overstock and refurbished models. Budget phones running Windows Phone 8 can be found for $100 and up, off-contract.

Android, on the other hand, seems to be a breeding ground for devices that never receive update 1.

[img.fark.net image 850x478]

Android 2.3.5 "Gingerbread" was released on July 25th, 2011. I took this picture at a kiosk at a supermarket behind my apartment last week. These phones are available, right now, with a two-year-old, twice-replaced (at least) operating system running on them. Boost Mobile and AT&T also carry budget phones with insanely outdated versions of Android.


I'm thinking the people who buy their phones at a supermarket, probably don't care what version of the OS that is running.
 
2013-10-21 02:42:24 PM

Glitchwerks: NeoCortex42: Just for the record, iPods play mp3 files. My entire collection is mp3 and I've never had a problem. Of course, it does tether you to iTunes. So I can certainly understand avoiding Apple options.

I manage my iPod with Foobar, and I've never had a problem.  Mind you, these are iPod classics because I want the larger capacity and don't really need the bells and whistles of the Touch because my iPod is for exercising or use in the car.

Lsherm: MAKE SURE YOU'VE CHECKED YOUR DRIVER SUPPORT!

I stupidly installed 8.1 without checking to make sure it was compatible with my desktop and sure enough, my Creative X-Fi Titanium promptly quit working and refused to work no matter what I did.  Creative hasn't even released a statement whether or not 8.1 will be supported.

Thankfully, I take weekly backups so I just rolled back the installation.  I'll wait a few months before trying it again.

This.  I installed 8.1 and found my new Logitech F710 wireless controller no longer worked.

I would have just accepted it, but 8.1 ruined my Start screen by turning almost all of my icons a ghastly bright orange color, deleted Avast entirely, and rearranged everything on the Start screen I had perfectly arranged.

I also rolled back, but I was stupid and didn't have a weekly back up, so I spent a good deal of time re-downloading everything in Steam.


I think that 8.1's generally great, but the lack of respect for the pre-existing Start screen icons and layout was an idiotic move.
 
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