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2013-10-21 09:39:36 AM
Some Romas do child trafficking. Some Romas kidnap children. Some Romas steal. Some Romas force children to be prostitutes. Some Romas force children to work. And then there are the rest. It's like thinking all Jews are like the Hasidics: you can find aspects in Hasidic behavior among most Jews, but it doesn't mean they all think the same way. It's incredibly complicated. Plus, the Romas are an easy target for persecution in Europe. This absolutely plays in.

My gut? A couple (from reports, Bulgarian) gave or sold their unwanted kid to a Roma family. When I hear the Romas saying this was a "legitimate" adoption, it fully depends on what they consider "legitimate", since it is incredibly unlikely they followed whatever laws the Greeks have about formal adoption.
 
2013-10-21 10:48:09 AM
Bury me standing. That is all.
 
2013-10-21 10:50:21 AM
F*cking gypsies...
 
2013-10-21 10:54:52 AM

whosits_112: F*cking gypsies...


This right here, never met a good gypsey that was not in a grave
 
2013-10-21 10:55:31 AM
If only there were some round, crystaline object they could look into to see who the girl's parents are.
 
2013-10-21 10:55:49 AM
Said that this one family had "14 kids" with suspect birth records, I think that they were just using these kids to work the aid system.
 
2013-10-21 10:58:15 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: Some Romas do child trafficking. Some Romas kidnap children. Some Romas steal. Some Romas force children to be prostitutes. Some Romas force children to work. And then there are the rest. It's like thinking all Jews are like the Hasidics: you can find aspects in Hasidic behavior among most Jews, but it doesn't mean they all think the same way. It's incredibly complicated. Plus, the Romas are an easy target for persecution in Europe. This absolutely plays in.

My gut? A couple (from reports, Bulgarian) gave or sold their unwanted kid to a Roma family. When I hear the Romas saying this was a "legitimate" adoption, it fully depends on what they consider "legitimate", since it is incredibly unlikely they followed whatever laws the Greeks have about formal adoption.


You, sir, are going in my favorites.
 
2013-10-21 11:03:47 AM
This appears to be a low-value white child, looking at the tell tales. low forehead, sunken cheekbones, an inarticulate nose and a loose mouth as well as badly placed and unappealing little piggy eyes. probably a Slav (or worse).

I mean, DEFINITELY worth saving from the aborigines and their subhuman caravan lifestyle, but let's not go nuts and think she's as important to recuse as a sturdy young British maid, flower of England's shores, or a sensitive, intelligent Nordic girl.
 
2013-10-21 11:07:17 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: Some Romas steal.


Bit like saying "some dolphins live in the water."
 
2013-10-21 11:10:22 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: PC LOAD LETTER: Some Romas steal.

Bit like saying "some dolphins live in the water."


Some humans breath air.
 
2013-10-21 11:17:14 AM
farking gypsies will steal anything, including people.
 
2013-10-21 11:18:39 AM
They obviously needed 1 more kid that they could train to steal stuff, while the adults distract store employees.
 
2013-10-21 11:24:55 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: My gut? A couple (from reports, Bulgarian) gave or sold their unwanted kid to a Roma family. When I hear the Romas saying this was a "legitimate" adoption, it fully depends on what they consider "legitimate", since it is incredibly unlikely they followed whatever laws the Greeks have about formal adoption.


Problem is that the family hasn't been able to keep their story straight for longer then five minutes.
 
2013-10-21 11:34:05 AM

willfullyobscure: This appears to be a low-value white child, looking at the tell tales. low forehead, sunken cheekbones, an inarticulate nose and a loose mouth as well as badly placed and unappealing little piggy eyes. probably a Slav (or worse).

I mean, DEFINITELY worth saving from the aborigines and their subhuman caravan lifestyle, but let's not go nuts and think she's as important to recuse as a sturdy young British maid, flower of England's shores, or a sensitive, intelligent Nordic girl.


We do have to keep up standards. I mean look to what we have stooped to in the US: media blitz about a mute and severely autistic lower income black kid who is lost in NYC for 3 weeks when there are plenty of wealthy blonde children who take their tricycle around the block in Greenwich, CT and are lost for up to an hour. Where are our priorities?
 
2013-10-21 11:34:05 AM
www.dvdjournal.com

Didn't call the movie Snatch for nothing ..
 
2013-10-21 11:35:08 AM
Why do Roma steal girls? I mean, I've heard these stories since time untold, but I can't think of a proper reason. Prostitution? But then you'd have to feed, clothe and shelter her for at least fourteen years or so. That's incredibly expensive, and quite dangerous.
 
2013-10-21 11:37:07 AM
Celebrity adoption bait in 3...2....1
 
2013-10-21 11:39:22 AM
The couple had to know they were doing something wrong. The girl's hair was dyed dark, probably to match the adults, when she was very young.

That doesn't point to good intentions.
 
2013-10-21 11:40:03 AM
How do you solve a mystery like Maria?

Um, let's see... Through an investigation where you take the known facts, do a bit of brainstorming and figure out which direction makes the most sense. Then you go in that direction until you solve the mystery or another clue comes up and leads you in another direction...

Wait, why do I need to tell them? Are they not trained in the most basic of police procedures? Do they draw lots to see who will be this weeks police?
 
2013-10-21 11:41:48 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: PC LOAD LETTER: Some Romas steal.

Bit like saying "some dolphins live in the water."


Some girls will
 
2013-10-21 11:43:26 AM
6 kids in 10 months, must be a Duggar.
 
2013-10-21 11:43:39 AM

Coming on a Bicycle: Why do Roma steal girls? I mean, I've heard these stories since time untold, but I can't think of a proper reason. Prostitution? But then you'd have to feed, clothe and shelter her for at least fourteen years or so. That's incredibly expensive, and quite dangerous.


Pickpocketing and welfare payments
 
2013-10-21 11:44:27 AM

OK So Amuse Me: How do you solve a mystery like Maria?

Um, let's see... Through an investigation where you take the known facts, do a bit of brainstorming and figure out which direction makes the most sense. Then you go in that direction until you solve the mystery or another clue comes up and leads you in another direction...

Wait, why do I need to tell them? Are they not trained in the most basic of police procedures? Do they draw lots to see who will be this weeks police?


You seem to be labouring under the misaprehension that the Greek police wrote this headline.
 
2013-10-21 11:45:45 AM

whosits_112: Prank Call of Cthulhu: PC LOAD LETTER: Some Romas steal.

Bit like saying "some dolphins live in the water."

Some humans breath air.


And there we go. Zero exceptions eh?

Satanic_Hamster: PC LOAD LETTER: My gut? A couple (from reports, Bulgarian) gave or sold their unwanted kid to a Roma family. When I hear the Romas saying this was a "legitimate" adoption, it fully depends on what they consider "legitimate", since it is incredibly unlikely they followed whatever laws the Greeks have about formal adoption.

Problem is that the family hasn't been able to keep their story straight for longer then five minutes.


Like I said, it's not what we would consider a legit adoption, but it's possible they were just given the kid. Romas don't want to keep their story straight because they don't see the validity of the authorities asking the questions, to them, it's just prying into their communities, so there's a lot of community protection. Lying to the authorities is seen as survival lest they be persecuted. I dunno, it's certainly possible we are rescuing a child from abuse. It's also possible she's being treated as well as any poor child would be treated. You should see what the Untouchables do to their own biological children in India.

Yeah, I am not some white knight for Romas, but we have to be careful here. I doubt we will ever find the whole story. I am sure some fake family will claim they are her parents and back off when they realize the DNA test is needed.

The Romas were killed in the Holocaust mainly because it "solved the problem" of the Romas. That mentality pervades Europe. On the one hand, there are many (I am guessing most) Romas who are an actual problem to the safety and security of those around them. On the other hand, past attempts at solve the "Roma question" resulted in either a pogrom, or forced assimilation reminiscent of what was done to Jews in Western Europe or Native American Indians in the US.

Cultures are tricky stuff. Bulldozing only offers short-term solutions and long-term issues.
 
2013-10-21 11:58:54 AM

OK So Amuse Me: How do you solve a mystery like Maria?

Um, let's see... Through an investigation where you take the known facts, do a bit of brainstorming and figure out which direction makes the most sense. Then you go in that direction until you solve the mystery or another clue comes up and leads you in another direction...

Wait, why do I need to tell them? Are they not trained in the most basic of police procedures? Do they draw lots to see who will be this weeks police?


It's not the police, but the reporter. Everybody knows that a "journalism" degree is the degree you get when you can't even hack an English or Liberal Arts degree.
 
2013-10-21 12:04:24 PM
I love gypsy threads. It's the one time on Fark when us Americans, mocked incessantly for our ignorance and racism, can look east to our Euro comrades going absolutely ballistic in their bigotry.

Also you get to read creepy firsthand accounts of thwarted child abductions or failed gypsy swindles.
 
2013-10-21 12:11:08 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: whosits_112: Prank Call of Cthulhu: PC LOAD LETTER: Some Romas steal.

Bit like saying "some dolphins live in the water."

Some humans breath air.

And there we go. Zero exceptions eh?

Satanic_Hamster: PC LOAD LETTER: My gut? A couple (from reports, Bulgarian) gave or sold their unwanted kid to a Roma family. When I hear the Romas saying this was a "legitimate" adoption, it fully depends on what they consider "legitimate", since it is incredibly unlikely they followed whatever laws the Greeks have about formal adoption.

Problem is that the family hasn't been able to keep their story straight for longer then five minutes.

Like I said, it's not what we would consider a legit adoption, but it's possible they were just given the kid. Romas don't want to keep their story straight because they don't see the validity of the authorities asking the questions, to them, it's just prying into their communities, so there's a lot of community protection. Lying to the authorities is seen as survival lest they be persecuted. I dunno, it's certainly possible we are rescuing a child from abuse. It's also possible she's being treated as well as any poor child would be treated. You should see what the Untouchables do to their own biological children in India.

Yeah, I am not some white knight for Romas, but we have to be careful here. I doubt we will ever find the whole story. I am sure some fake family will claim they are her parents and back off when they realize the DNA test is needed.

The Romas were killed in the Holocaust mainly because it "solved the problem" of the Romas. That mentality pervades Europe. On the one hand, there are many (I am guessing most) Romas who are an actual problem to the safety and security of those around them. On the other hand, past attempts at solve the "Roma question" resulted in either a pogrom, or forced assimilation reminiscent of what was done to Jews in Western Europe or Native American Indians in the US.

Cultures are tricky stuff. Bulldozin ...


Cultures (like the Jewish, German, Polish, etc.), are part of a rich heritage for a group of people. One founded on customs, beliefs, religion, law, etc. Sometimes these different cultures interact peacefully. Othertimes, war.

The gypsies (or Roma, if you want to be PC), seem to be in a third camp of "F*ck you, I'll do what I want", and refuse to behave like basic human beings in many regards. Do you want to roam across the continent, from camp to camp? Fine. Want your own language? Go ahead. Your own system of beliefs and practices? Knock yourself out. But when that "F*ck you, I'll do what I want" mentality basically turns them into families of criminals (prostitution, kidnapping, fraud, etc.), then you have overstepped the bounds of polite society.

I'm not advocating for assimilation, or eradication. But I am saying that the ones who engage in such behavior need to be dealt swift, and harsh, justice. Letting them go do whatever the hell they want is a recipe for chaos. If this was just a group of mafia thugs, I don't think anyone would care what happened to them. But because this is their "tradition" and "heritage", many people give them an out.

The ones who can cooperate and NOT engage in criminal acts can stay. The others? They can go to Hell.
 
2013-10-21 12:13:07 PM

Darth Macho: I love gypsy threads. It's the one time on Fark when us Americans, mocked incessantly for our ignorance and racism, can look east to our Euro comrades going absolutely ballistic in their bigotry.

Also you get to read creepy firsthand accounts of thwarted child abductions or failed gypsy swindles.


Sadly, this thread isn't getting as juicy as one would hope :(

/My popped corn kernals are getting stale...
 
2013-10-21 12:14:21 PM
I was sort of hoping she'd turn out to be Madeleine McCann, because 1) better than what probably actually happened to her, and 2) it'd be a crazy-ass story that way.  Obviously too young, of course.
 
2013-10-21 12:14:32 PM

Darth Macho: can look east to our Euro comrades going absolutely ballistic in their bigotry.


They're a relatively new phenomenon in Ireland, more than say 15 years ago you'd never have seen one here, now there are a hell of a lot.

I consider myself to be a somewhat left/liberal, all for equal rights and all that shiate. However, these people are just AWFUL, they swarm around Dublin in gangs of 10-15 robbing everything, abusing our welfare system, gangs of them surround the vulnerable in the streets ( the elderly, young girls etc.) begging money from them, basically strong-arming money off them.

I have nothing good to say about them and I have never met one that goes against the stereotypes.
 
2013-10-21 12:18:18 PM

Cormee: Darth Macho: can look east to our Euro comrades going absolutely ballistic in their bigotry.

They're a relatively new phenomenon in Ireland, more than say 15 years ago you'd never have seen one here, now there are a hell of a lot.

I consider myself to be a somewhat left/liberal, all for equal rights and all that shiate. However, these people are just AWFUL, they swarm around Dublin in gangs of 10-15 robbing everything, abusing our welfare system, gangs of them surround the vulnerable in the streets ( the elderly, young girls etc.) begging money from them, basically strong-arming money off them.

I have nothing good to say about them and I have never met one that goes against the stereotypes.


Thank you. :)
 
2013-10-21 12:22:49 PM

Darth Macho: Thank you. :)


Delighted  to oblige! :)
 
2013-10-21 12:32:41 PM

Cormee: Darth Macho: can look east to our Euro comrades going absolutely ballistic in their bigotry.

They're a relatively new phenomenon in Ireland, more than say 15 years ago you'd never have seen one here, now there are a hell of a lot.

I consider myself to be a somewhat left/liberal, all for equal rights and all that shiate. However, these people are just AWFUL, they swarm around Dublin in gangs of 10-15 robbing everything, abusing our welfare system, gangs of them surround the vulnerable in the streets ( the elderly, young girls etc.) begging money from them, basically strong-arming money off them.

I have nothing good to say about them and I have never met one that goes against the stereotypes.


Now are these Gypsies different than the Irish type gypsies in the caravans?
 
2013-10-21 12:39:27 PM

Cormee: Darth Macho: can look east to our Euro comrades going absolutely ballistic in their bigotry.

They're a relatively new phenomenon in Ireland, more than say 15 years ago you'd never have seen one here, now there are a hell of a lot.

I consider myself to be a somewhat left/liberal, all for equal rights and all that shiate. However, these people are just AWFUL, they swarm around Dublin in gangs of 10-15 robbing everything, abusing our welfare system, gangs of them surround the vulnerable in the streets ( the elderly, young girls etc.) begging money from them, basically strong-arming money off them.

I have nothing good to say about them and I have never met one that goes against the stereotypes.


you mean you have both Pikies AND Roma now? Dear God. Do they fight or interbreed or what?
 
2013-10-21 12:42:44 PM

under a mountain: Cormee: Darth Macho: can look east to our Euro comrades going absolutely ballistic in their bigotry.

They're a relatively new phenomenon in Ireland, more than say 15 years ago you'd never have seen one here, now there are a hell of a lot.

I consider myself to be a somewhat left/liberal, all for equal rights and all that shiate. However, these people are just AWFUL, they swarm around Dublin in gangs of 10-15 robbing everything, abusing our welfare system, gangs of them surround the vulnerable in the streets ( the elderly, young girls etc.) begging money from them, basically strong-arming money off them.

I have nothing good to say about them and I have never met one that goes against the stereotypes.

Now are these Gypsies different than the Irish type gypsies in the caravans?


Completely different. The ones I was talking about are Roma, usually hail from Romania, and I believe they're from India originally. The Irish (of Snatch fame) ones are of Irish roots not related at all.
 
2013-10-21 12:48:32 PM

Lord Summerisle: Cormee: Darth Macho: can look east to our Euro comrades going absolutely ballistic in their bigotry.

They're a relatively new phenomenon in Ireland, more than say 15 years ago you'd never have seen one here, now there are a hell of a lot.

I consider myself to be a somewhat left/liberal, all for equal rights and all that shiate. However, these people are just AWFUL, they swarm around Dublin in gangs of 10-15 robbing everything, abusing our welfare system, gangs of them surround the vulnerable in the streets ( the elderly, young girls etc.) begging money from them, basically strong-arming money off them.

I have nothing good to say about them and I have never met one that goes against the stereotypes.

you mean you have both Pikies AND Roma now? Dear God. Do they fight or interbreed or what?


Yes, BOTH. Utter madness. I've never seen them fight, but my money would be on the Irish ones if they did, they have fists the size of hams. I live in fear of them breeding, nothing would be safe from theft.

And Cher was talking through her hole, we don't go down to the encampments at night.
 
2013-10-21 12:55:38 PM
Like I said, it's not what we would consider a legit adoption, but it's possible they were just given the kid. Romas don't want to keep their story straight because they don't see the validity of the authorities asking the questions, to them, it's just prying into their communities, so there's a lot of community protection. Lying to the authorities is seen as survival lest they be persecuted. I dunno, it's certainly possible we are rescuing a child from abuse. It's also possible she's being treated as well as any poor child would be treated. You should see what the Untouchables do to their own biological children in India.

Yeah, I am not some white knight for Romas, but we have to be careful here. I doubt we will ever find the whole story. I am sure some fake family will claim they are her parents and back off when they realize the DNA test is needed.

The Romas were killed in the Holocaust mainly because it "solved the problem" of the Romas. That mentality pervades Europe. On the one hand, there are many (I am guessing most) Romas who are an actual problem to the safety and security of those around them. On the other hand, past attempts at solve the "Roma question" resulted in either a pogrom, or forced assimilation reminiscent of what was done to Jews in Western Europe or Native American Indians in the US.

Cultures are tricky stuff. Bulldozing only offers short-term solutions and long-term issues.


You have made my favorites. Taking a reasoned, unbiased, intelligent stance on Fark is a bit like peeing on a volcano in hopes of putting it out but you have done well.  You don't have to be a white knight to be fair and unprejudiced.  Funny how some here who would excoriate someone making generalizations about, say Jews or blacks, seem to have no problem doing the same with the Roma.
 
2013-10-21 01:32:53 PM
My grandmother, who immigrated from eastern Europe in her early teens, used to threaten to sell us to the gypsies when we were bad.  At the time I didn't realize that for her it was a serious threat.
 
2013-10-21 01:37:53 PM

Cormee: under a mountain: Cormee: Darth Macho: can look east to our Euro comrades going absolutely ballistic in their bigotry.

They're a relatively new phenomenon in Ireland, more than say 15 years ago you'd never have seen one here, now there are a hell of a lot.

I consider myself to be a somewhat left/liberal, all for equal rights and all that shiate. However, these people are just AWFUL, they swarm around Dublin in gangs of 10-15 robbing everything, abusing our welfare system, gangs of them surround the vulnerable in the streets ( the elderly, young girls etc.) begging money from them, basically strong-arming money off them.

I have nothing good to say about them and I have never met one that goes against the stereotypes.

Now are these Gypsies different than the Irish type gypsies in the caravans?

Completely different. The ones I was talking about are Roma, usually hail from Romania, and I believe they're from India originally. The Irish (of Snatch fame) ones are of Irish roots not related at all.


Right. And it's fascinating how somehow he Irish Travelers are seen as and accepted to be love able irascible scamps with a love of younger ladies *wink wink* but the Roma are a scourge of bipedal rats tearing down every good and decent (white) community they come in contact with. I'm certainly not referring just to you and your post, but to movies like Snatch and shows like "my big fat gypsy wedding" aka "sit back and laugh at those who are different".
 
2013-10-21 02:20:06 PM

teenytinycornteeth: Cormee: under a mountain: Cormee: Darth Macho: can look east to our Euro comrades going absolutely ballistic in their bigotry.

They're a relatively new phenomenon in Ireland, more than say 15 years ago you'd never have seen one here, now there are a hell of a lot.

I consider myself to be a somewhat left/liberal, all for equal rights and all that shiate. However, these people are just AWFUL, they swarm around Dublin in gangs of 10-15 robbing everything, abusing our welfare system, gangs of them surround the vulnerable in the streets ( the elderly, young girls etc.) begging money from them, basically strong-arming money off them.

I have nothing good to say about them and I have never met one that goes against the stereotypes.

Now are these Gypsies different than the Irish type gypsies in the caravans?

Completely different. The ones I was talking about are Roma, usually hail from Romania, and I believe they're from India originally. The Irish (of Snatch fame) ones are of Irish roots not related at all.

Right. And it's fascinating how somehow he Irish Travelers are seen as and accepted to be love able irascible scamps with a love of younger ladies *wink wink* but the Roma are a scourge of bipedal rats tearing down every good and decent (white) community they come in contact with. I'm certainly not referring just to you and your post, but to movies like Snatch and shows like "my big fat gypsy wedding" aka "sit back and laugh at those who are different".


The fact they are gypsies is the only thing they have in common. However antisocial Irish Tinkers (gypsies) are, they are nothing compared to Roma gypsies.
 
2013-10-21 02:59:51 PM
What an attractive young family.
l1.yimg.com
/39 and 40
 
2013-10-21 03:58:29 PM

under a mountain: Cormee: Darth Macho: can look east to our Euro comrades going absolutely ballistic in their bigotry.

They're a relatively new phenomenon in Ireland, more than say 15 years ago you'd never have seen one here, now there are a hell of a lot.

I consider myself to be a somewhat left/liberal, all for equal rights and all that shiate. However, these people are just AWFUL, they swarm around Dublin in gangs of 10-15 robbing everything, abusing our welfare system, gangs of them surround the vulnerable in the streets ( the elderly, young girls etc.) begging money from them, basically strong-arming money off them.

I have nothing good to say about them and I have never met one that goes against the stereotypes.

Now are these Gypsies different than the Irish type gypsies in the caravans?


Yes, the Irish Travellers are white.
 
2013-10-21 04:03:19 PM

Cormee: Lord Summerisle: Cormee: Darth Macho: can look east to our Euro comrades going absolutely ballistic in their bigotry.

They're a relatively new phenomenon in Ireland, more than say 15 years ago you'd never have seen one here, now there are a hell of a lot.

I consider myself to be a somewhat left/liberal, all for equal rights and all that shiate. However, these people are just AWFUL, they swarm around Dublin in gangs of 10-15 robbing everything, abusing our welfare system, gangs of them surround the vulnerable in the streets ( the elderly, young girls etc.) begging money from them, basically strong-arming money off them.

I have nothing good to say about them and I have never met one that goes against the stereotypes.

you mean you have both Pikies AND Roma now? Dear God. Do they fight or interbreed or what?

Yes, BOTH. Utter madness. I've never seen them fight, but my money would be on the Irish ones if they did, they have fists the size of hams. I live in fear of them breeding, nothing would be safe from theft.

And Cher was talking through her hole, we don't go down to the encampments at night.


Mother of God ... super-pikies. You'd have to nail yourself down else you'd find yourself stolen.
 
2013-10-21 07:03:56 PM

caddisfly: What an attractive young family.
[l1.yimg.com image 749x421]
/39 and 40


is that the IQ's ?
 
2013-10-21 07:40:05 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: . I dunno, it's certainly possible we are rescuing a child from abuse. It's also possible she's being treated as well as any poor child would be treated. You should see what the Untouchables do to their own biological children in India.


Yeah, and this family taught her to dance like a bear and beg for money.

Also her age is now determined to be older than 4. Malnurishment will do that to a kid.
 
2013-10-21 07:45:45 PM

No Such Agency: I was sort of hoping she'd turn out to be Madeleine McCann, because 1) better than what probably actually happened to her, and 2) it'd be a crazy-ass story that way.  Obviously too young, of course.


It doesn't look like her (they have al ready checked DNA I'm sure).

The age might match though, because she's not 4 but older, malnurishment.
 
2013-10-21 08:49:00 PM
Tramps and thieves!
 
2013-10-21 10:33:19 PM

Valiente: Bury me standing. That is all.


wonderful book, need to read it again.
 
2013-10-22 11:32:28 AM

caddisfly: What an attractive young family.


In an Addams Family sort of way.
 
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