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(Fansided)   Clayton Kershaw turns down lifetime $300 million contract from the Dodgers, says he wants to hold out for enough money to afford a two bedroom fixer upper in Torrance   (fansided.com) divider line 31
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2013-10-21 09:36:54 AM
If it really was "lifetime", that isn't nearly enough money
 
2013-10-21 09:37:59 AM
Lifetime? Are the Dodgers planning to kill him when he retires?
 
2013-10-21 09:52:52 AM
The "lifetime" is probably pertaining to any future careers as a MLB player.  Besides, you'd be stupid not to take this.  People have career ending injuries...I do not understand why you would pass something like this up.
 
2013-10-21 09:58:55 AM
Without seeing the details of the terms (which nobody has) it's impossible to say if this is a "crazy not to" or "why would you" deal.  If it's not enough guaranteed, or if it's spread out over the wrong years as opposed to other contracts that he could get, then it might be a less than ideal contract.
 
2013-10-21 10:00:08 AM
I'd kill every last one of you and your entire families for 300 million dollars.  This guy's an idiot, no matter WHAT he does.
 
2013-10-21 10:00:36 AM

UnderwaterAlly: The "lifetime" is probably pertaining to any future careers as a MLB player.  Besides, you'd be stupid not to take this.  People have career ending injuries...I do not understand why you would pass something like this up.


Have you seen cole hammel's contract?

In ten years I'm sure 30 M/yr will be the super star rate anyways.
 
2013-10-21 10:09:48 AM
From what I was reading over at MLB Trade Rumors and Baseball Reference was that he wanted a shorter amount of years, presumably to be able to test free agency again before he reaches the age where he can't get giant contracts anymore, which makes sense.
 
2013-10-21 10:24:28 AM

UnderwaterAlly: The "lifetime" is probably pertaining to any future careers as a MLB player.  Besides, you'd be stupid not to take this.  People have career ending injuries...I do not understand why you would pass something like this up.


Seriously, a pitcher can just lose it at any time. Just look at Brandon Webb, a workhorse for his first 6 years with ERAs in the low 3s and then his arm goes kaput at age 29.

Just from scanning a list of the best 25 & younger pitchers over the last 30 years, Fernando Valenzuela lost effectiveness at his age 28 season. Dwight Gooden was a back of the rotation pitcher after 30. Scott Kazmir led the AL in strikeouts at age 23 and was pitching for the Sugarland Skeeters at age 28.
 
2013-10-21 10:25:24 AM
Torrance ain't that bad.  I was living in a one-bedroom place just off PCH some time ago there for $1,000/mo.  This was when a dumpy 50's style apartment in Rancho Palos Verdes was going for $2,300/mo.
 
2013-10-21 10:32:38 AM

Dr. Kefarkian: I'd kill every last one of you and your entire families for 300 million dollars.  This guy's an idiot, no matter WHAT he does.


If you have something worth $500 million, you'd be a fool to sell it for $300 million
 
2013-10-21 10:33:15 AM
And now Leyland is done.
 
2013-10-21 10:37:45 AM

great_tigers: And now Leyland is done.


Going out on his own terms at least.
 
2013-10-21 10:50:58 AM

Lost Thought 00: Dr. Kefarkian: I'd kill every last one of you and your entire families for 300 million dollars.  This guy's an idiot, no matter WHAT he does.

If you have something worth $500 million, you'd be a fool to sell it for $300 million


Hayden Panettiere curing cancer by giving blow jobs is worth $500 million.
Playing baseball is NOT worth $500 million.
You'd be a fool to equate the two.
 
2013-10-21 10:56:00 AM

Lost Thought 00: If you have something worth $500 million, you'd be a fool to sell it for $300 million


Or not greedy...
 
2013-10-21 10:59:55 AM

Lost Thought 00: Dr. Kefarkian: I'd kill every last one of you and your entire families for 300 million dollars.  This guy's an idiot, no matter WHAT he does.

If you have something worth $500 million, you'd be a fool to sell it for $300 million


Since I doubt any pitcher has made $300 million over their career, I'm going to hazard a guess that he's not worth $500 million. But yeah, good comment.
 
2013-10-21 11:50:49 AM

Dr. Kefarkian: I'd kill every last one of you and your entire families for 300 million dollars.  This guy's an idiot, no matter WHAT he does.


With a name like Dr. Kefarkian, I believe you.

/"Smart"ed your comment
 
2013-10-21 12:03:15 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Dr. Kefarkian: I'd kill every last one of you and your entire families for 300 million dollars.  This guy's an idiot, no matter WHAT he does.

With a name like Dr. Kefarkian, I believe you.

/"Smart"ed your comment


Cheers, mate!
 
2013-10-21 12:28:49 PM
I like this idea.  Instead of $x for y years, just put it as $x for lifetime and you can't play anywhere else.  Then split the $x by his expected value by age.

Kershaw would be 26 next year so:

26: $24 Million
27: $27
28: $30
29: $33
30: $30
31: $27
32: $24
33: $24
34: $21
35: $18
36: $15
37: $12
38: $9
39: $6
40: $6
41: $3
42: $3

And he can retire any year he wants.  If he retires before 42 he still gets all the money in the payment scheme above - even if he doesn't play - but he cannot play for any other team.
 
2013-10-21 12:48:44 PM
Zing! Subby.   Very zing.
 
2013-10-21 01:16:04 PM

SlothB77: I like this idea.  Instead of $x for y years, just put it as $x for lifetime and you can't play anywhere else.  Then split the $x by his expected value by age.

Kershaw would be 26 next year so:

26: $24 Million
27: $27
28: $30
29: $33
30: $30
31: $27
32: $24
33: $24
34: $21
35: $18
36: $15
37: $12
38: $9
39: $6
40: $6
41: $3
42: $3

And he can retire any year he wants.  If he retires before 42 he still gets all the money in the payment scheme above - even if he doesn't play - but he cannot play for any other team.


Sounds great but I still maintain no ball player is worth that much money.
 
2013-10-21 01:46:59 PM

Dr. Kefarkian: Lost Thought 00: Dr. Kefarkian: I'd kill every last one of you and your entire families for 300 million dollars.  This guy's an idiot, no matter WHAT he does.

If you have something worth $500 million, you'd be a fool to sell it for $300 million

Hayden Panettiere curing cancer by giving blow jobs is worth $500 million.
Playing baseball is NOT worth $500 million.
You'd be a fool to equate the two.


I don't see why. Millions of people every year are willing to pay lots of money to see the Dodgers play live, and millions more watch on TV and draw ad revenue, which is why they got a multi-billion dollar TV deal. If Kershaw draws more people to the park and especially if he actually generates more sell-able tickets by getting the Dodgers to the playoffs, he could easily be worth that kind of money to the organization over the course of his career. The ticket revenue from a World Series run alone can be worth over 20 million to the team. Something is worth only what people will pay for it, and the Dodgers probably aren't wrong to think that people in LA are willing to pay over $300 million to see Clayton Kershaw play out his career.
 
2013-10-21 01:50:07 PM

neon_god: Dr. Kefarkian: Lost Thought 00: Dr. Kefarkian: I'd kill every last one of you and your entire families for 300 million dollars.  This guy's an idiot, no matter WHAT he does.

If you have something worth $500 million, you'd be a fool to sell it for $300 million

Hayden Panettiere curing cancer by giving blow jobs is worth $500 million.
Playing baseball is NOT worth $500 million.
You'd be a fool to equate the two.

I don't see why. Millions of people every year are willing to pay lots of money to see the Dodgers play live, and millions more watch on TV and draw ad revenue, which is why they got a multi-billion dollar TV deal. If Kershaw draws more people to the park and especially if he actually generates more sell-able tickets by getting the Dodgers to the playoffs, he could easily be worth that kind of money to the organization over the course of his career. The ticket revenue from a World Series run alone can be worth over 20 million to the team. Something is worth only what people will pay for it, and the Dodgers probably aren't wrong to think that people in LA are willing to pay over $300 million to see Clayton Kershaw play out his career.


the point ... you missed it.
 
2013-10-21 01:59:30 PM
I remember being amazed at the first million dollar contract.

/ get off my lawn.
 
2013-10-21 02:09:14 PM

Dr. Kefarkian: neon_god: Dr. Kefarkian: Lost Thought 00: Dr. Kefarkian: I'd kill every last one of you and your entire families for 300 million dollars.  This guy's an idiot, no matter WHAT he does.

If you have something worth $500 million, you'd be a fool to sell it for $300 million

Hayden Panettiere curing cancer by giving blow jobs is worth $500 million.
Playing baseball is NOT worth $500 million.
You'd be a fool to equate the two.

I don't see why. Millions of people every year are willing to pay lots of money to see the Dodgers play live, and millions more watch on TV and draw ad revenue, which is why they got a multi-billion dollar TV deal. If Kershaw draws more people to the park and especially if he actually generates more sell-able tickets by getting the Dodgers to the playoffs, he could easily be worth that kind of money to the organization over the course of his career. The ticket revenue from a World Series run alone can be worth over 20 million to the team. Something is worth only what people will pay for it, and the Dodgers probably aren't wrong to think that people in LA are willing to pay over $300 million to see Clayton Kershaw play out his career.

the point ... you missed it.


Guess so... I thought you were saying playing baseball wasn't worth $500m (or whatever made up number in that ballpark). I pointed out that if people will pay you that much because they want to see you play, it is by definition worth it. Care to explain what I missed?
 
2013-10-21 02:18:24 PM

neon_god: Guess so... I thought you were saying playing baseball wasn't worth $500m (or whatever made up number in that ballpark). I pointed out that if people will pay you that much because they want to see you play, it is by definition worth it. Care to explain what I missed?


Hayden Panettiere curing cancer by giving blow jobs is worth $500 million.
Playing baseball is NOT worth $500 million.
 
2013-10-21 02:38:36 PM

Dr. Kefarkian: neon_god: Guess so... I thought you were saying playing baseball wasn't worth $500m (or whatever made up number in that ballpark). I pointed out that if people will pay you that much because they want to see you play, it is by definition worth it. Care to explain what I missed?

Hayden Panettiere curing cancer by giving blow jobs is worth $500 million.
Playing baseball is NOT worth $500 million.


No, I read that. And I disagree, because people ARE willing to pay that kind of money to see Kershaw play, which means they're getting a lot of benefit out of it. The goal of buying anything, from a cancer cure to a baseball ticket, is for it to make you happier. One makes you happier by entertaining you, the other by saving lives (including maybe yours). You'll pay for either depending how happy you think it'd make you. If enough people are made happy by seeing Kershaw play that they will cumulatively be willing to pay half a billion dollars over the next decade or so, and it looks like that's probably the case, then, by definition, when HE plays baseball, it IS worth 500 million dollars.
 
2013-10-21 02:55:57 PM

neon_god: Dr. Kefarkian: neon_god: Guess so... I thought you were saying playing baseball wasn't worth $500m (or whatever made up number in that ballpark). I pointed out that if people will pay you that much because they want to see you play, it is by definition worth it. Care to explain what I missed?

Hayden Panettiere curing cancer by giving blow jobs is worth $500 million.
Playing baseball is NOT worth $500 million.

No, I read that. And I disagree, because people ARE willing to pay that kind of money to see Kershaw play, which means they're getting a lot of benefit out of it. The goal of buying anything, from a cancer cure to a baseball ticket, is for it to make you happier. One makes you happier by entertaining you, the other by saving lives (including maybe yours). You'll pay for either depending how happy you think it'd make you. If enough people are made happy by seeing Kershaw play that they will cumulatively be willing to pay half a billion dollars over the next decade or so, and it looks like that's probably the case, then, by definition, when HE plays baseball, it IS worth 500 million dollars.


I understand that you're a baseball fan, and your perceived value of said sport has lead to some sort of need to justify paying one person an obnoxious amount of money.  But are you actually saying that some dude paying baseball has the same societal value of curing cancer?
 
2013-10-21 03:13:22 PM

Dr. Kefarkian: I'd kill every last one of you and your entire families for 300 million dollars.  This guy's an idiot, no matter WHAT he does.


To anyone with enough scratch to take him up on that offer, I'll do it for half.
 
2013-10-21 03:16:00 PM

Dr. Kefarkian: neon_god: Dr. Kefarkian: neon_god: Guess so... I thought you were saying playing baseball wasn't worth $500m (or whatever made up number in that ballpark). I pointed out that if people will pay you that much because they want to see you play, it is by definition worth it. Care to explain what I missed?

Hayden Panettiere curing cancer by giving blow jobs is worth $500 million.
Playing baseball is NOT worth $500 million.

No, I read that. And I disagree, because people ARE willing to pay that kind of money to see Kershaw play, which means they're getting a lot of benefit out of it. The goal of buying anything, from a cancer cure to a baseball ticket, is for it to make you happier. One makes you happier by entertaining you, the other by saving lives (including maybe yours). You'll pay for either depending how happy you think it'd make you. If enough people are made happy by seeing Kershaw play that they will cumulatively be willing to pay half a billion dollars over the next decade or so, and it looks like that's probably the case, then, by definition, when HE plays baseball, it IS worth 500 million dollars.

I understand that you're a baseball fan, and your perceived value of said sport has lead to some sort of need to justify paying one person an obnoxious amount of money.  But are you actually saying that some dude paying baseball has the same societal value of curing cancer?


fark society, cash talks, bullshiat walks. Where have you been? Besides, curing cancer is a sucker's bet; the money's in lifelong treatment and therapy.
 
2013-10-21 03:18:32 PM

Dr. Kefarkian: neon_god: Dr. Kefarkian: neon_god: Guess so... I thought you were saying playing baseball wasn't worth $500m (or whatever made up number in that ballpark). I pointed out that if people will pay you that much because they want to see you play, it is by definition worth it. Care to explain what I missed?

Hayden Panettiere curing cancer by giving blow jobs is worth $500 million.
Playing baseball is NOT worth $500 million.

No, I read that. And I disagree, because people ARE willing to pay that kind of money to see Kershaw play, which means they're getting a lot of benefit out of it. The goal of buying anything, from a cancer cure to a baseball ticket, is for it to make you happier. One makes you happier by entertaining you, the other by saving lives (including maybe yours). You'll pay for either depending how happy you think it'd make you. If enough people are made happy by seeing Kershaw play that they will cumulatively be willing to pay half a billion dollars over the next decade or so, and it looks like that's probably the case, then, by definition, when HE plays baseball, it IS worth 500 million dollars.

I understand that you're a baseball fan, and your perceived value of said sport has lead to some sort of need to justify paying one person an obnoxious amount of money.  But are you actually saying that some dude paying baseball has the same societal value of curing cancer?


No, because curing cancer's worth a lot more than $500 million. Probably trillions. I assumed you'd picked an arbitrary "serious" cause. The issue I was talking about was whether playing baseball could be worth several hundred million dollars. If millions of people care, and they seem to, then it is.
 
2013-10-21 06:17:05 PM

Lost Thought 00: If you have something worth $500 million, you'd be a fool to sell it for $300 million


Not after you think it through and determine the likelihood of that potentially 500 million dollar asset STAYING worth 500 million dollars as long as he would need it to to surpass this payday. He appears to be a 25 year-old left handed member of the species homo sapiens. My early research says he could throw out his arm tomorrow and take a 90% ding to his future net worth to say nothing of auto accident likelihood, etc. Conclusion: if that deal was actually a 300 million dollar lifetime contract he's either unbelievably greedy or really stupid.
 
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