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(LA Times)   NBC's two new freshman shows flunk out   (latimes.com) divider line 42
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2013-10-21 10:10:15 AM
Roger and Steve are inconsolable.

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2013-10-21 10:14:00 AM
The reason Ironside failed is that they didn't give him rocket launchers attached to that wheelchair. Also an eject button that sends him flying at the criminals when necessary.
 
2013-10-21 10:14:07 AM
Read a book instead.
 
2013-10-21 10:16:11 AM
The only thing NBC is good for is Faith Hill before the sunday football contest.

What's that? Who? Oh, dear lord.
 
2013-10-21 10:18:22 AM
Ironside was bad, just categorically bad and everyone involved should feel bad for having participated in creating that POS.
 
2013-10-21 10:19:48 AM

lasercannon: The reason Ironside failed is that they didn't give him rocket launchers attached to that wheelchair. Also an eject button that sends him flying at the criminals when necessary.


Dammit, it's the same thing every week.  The criminals ALWAYS run behind a wall or a fence or something and NONE of the other cops can get to him but oh look, there's a clear launch trajectory for Ironside, and he once again manages to take out all 3-4 of them.
 
2013-10-21 10:24:52 AM
The only NBC show I watch is The Blacklist, and I am on the fence about that. I love James Spader's Shatner-lite approach to his craft and the lead actress is like a thicker, sturdier Olivia Wilde, but I can see it doing downhill quickly in the future.

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2013-10-21 10:29:59 AM
Should we expect 'The Biggest Losers: Network Executives' every night now on NBC?
 
2013-10-21 10:40:30 AM

born_yesterday: lasercannon: The reason Ironside failed is that they didn't give him rocket launchers attached to that wheelchair. Also an eject button that sends him flying at the criminals when necessary.

Dammit, it's the same thing every week.  The criminals ALWAYS run behind a wall or a fence or something and NONE of the other cops can get to him but oh look, there's a clear launch trajectory for Ironside, and he once again manages to take out all 3-4 of them.


Michael: We'll never catch them now.
Knightboat: Incorrect: look! A canal.
Homer: Go, Knightboat, go!
Bart: Oh, every week there's a canal.
Lisa: Or an inlet.
Bart: Or a fjord.
Homer: Quiet! I will not hear another word against the boat.

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2013-10-21 10:41:33 AM
NBC? Is that still a thing?
 
2013-10-21 10:43:32 AM

Wellon Dowd: The only NBC show I watch is The Blacklist, and I am on the fence about that. I love James Spader's Shatner-lite approach to his craft and the lead actress is like a thicker, sturdier Olivia Wilde, but I can see it doing downhill quickly in the future.

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It's been pretty good, but definitely seems like something that would work much better as an HBO/Showtime series - more blood and boobs, and only 8-10 episodes to fill with Blacklisters/less time to stretch out the subplots.
 
2013-10-21 10:49:07 AM
Well, welcome to the family has been sitting on my dvr, I'll just delete all of those and cancel the series.  Didn't bother with Ironsides, but have blacklist on there, I'll keep it until further notice.
 
2013-10-21 10:49:43 AM

Wellon Dowd: The only NBC show I watch is The Blacklist, and I am on the fence about that. I love James Spader's Shatner-lite approach to his craft and the lead actress is like a thicker, sturdier Olivia Wilde, but I can see it doing downhill quickly in the future.

[i.imgur.com image 600x799]


Eventually everyone is going to tire of Spader being an asshole
 
2013-10-21 10:51:53 AM
I knew nobody would want to watch a paralyzed black man have sex.
 
2013-10-21 10:51:55 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Wellon Dowd: The only NBC show I watch is The Blacklist, and I am on the fence about that. I love James Spader's Shatner-lite approach to his craft and the lead actress is like a thicker, sturdier Olivia Wilde, but I can see it doing downhill quickly in the future.

[i.imgur.com image 600x799]

Eventually everyone is going to tire of Spader being an asshole


Not I.

The tease of the eventual 'big reveal' is getting tiresome, though.
 
2013-10-21 10:56:14 AM

Witty_Retort: IdBeCrazyIf: Wellon Dowd: The only NBC show I watch is The Blacklist, and I am on the fence about that. I love James Spader's Shatner-lite approach to his craft and the lead actress is like a thicker, sturdier Olivia Wilde, but I can see it doing downhill quickly in the future.

[i.imgur.com image 600x799]

Eventually everyone is going to tire of Spader being an asshole

Not I.

The tease of the eventual 'big reveal' is getting tiresome, though.


Lizzie: I am your father.
 
2013-10-21 10:57:43 AM
The only time I turn on NBC is for Sunday Night Football and holy shiat the shows in the ads look awful.

How bad is Sean Saves the World? Anyone here punish themselves with that?
 
2013-10-21 11:04:05 AM

Benjamin Stone: The only time I turn on NBC is for Sunday Night Football and holy shiat the shows in the ads look awful.

How bad is Sean Saves the World? Anyone here punish themselves with that?


If you know you're not going to watch it, why do you care?
 
2013-10-21 11:06:34 AM

Benjamin Stone: How bad is Sean Saves the World? Anyone here punish themselves with that?


It's good enough to land itself in the good graces of old Will fans, so the show should at least get legs for a second season.

Witty_Retort: The tease of the eventual 'big reveal' is getting tiresome, though.


It's almost as if everyone involved assumed they'd be canned 3 shows in and have no idea what to do with it
 
2013-10-21 11:10:01 AM

StrikitRich: Witty_Retort: IdBeCrazyIf: Wellon Dowd: The only NBC show I watch is The Blacklist, and I am on the fence about that. I love James Spader's Shatner-lite approach to his craft and the lead actress is like a thicker, sturdier Olivia Wilde, but I can see it doing downhill quickly in the future.

[i.imgur.com image 600x799]

Eventually everyone is going to tire of Spader being an asshole

Not I.

The tease of the eventual 'big reveal' is getting tiresome, though.

Lizzie: I am your father.


I'm thinking they will go full Obi-Wan with it. First, someone will tell Lizzie (or her own investigation will conclude) that he killed her father... then, when he's about to be indicted for that murder, he will reveal he is her father.
 
2013-10-21 11:13:33 AM

Wellon Dowd: The only NBC show I watch is The Blacklist, and I am on the fence about that. I love James Spader's Shatner-lite approach to his craft and the lead actress is like a thicker, sturdier Olivia Wilde, but I can see it doing downhill quickly in the future.

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The problem with that show is that we only fully care about Spader's character. We care about his character partly because of Spader's performance, which is by far the best on the show. This is enforced by every other character on the show deferring to him. They care about him, so we should too.

We care about 50% about the profiler girl, but only because Spader's character (who we care about) cares about her, so we should to. There is no other reason to care about her character.

The only other character on that show we give a whit about at all is the husband who's up to something, and we only care a little bit. Our miniscule interest in him stems solely from the interest the profiler girl displays in him, and we only half care about her, so he gets about 10% from us.

In order to survive, the show needs to give us a reason to care about the characters not played by Spader.
 
2013-10-21 11:19:06 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Witty_Retort: The tease of the eventual 'big reveal' is getting tiresome, though.

It's almost as if everyone involved assumed they'd be canned 3 shows in and have no idea what to do with it


Good point.

clkeagle: I'm thinking they will go full Obi-Wan with it. First, someone will tell Lizzie (or her own investigation will conclude) that he killed her father... then, when he's about to be indicted for that murder, he will reveal he is her father.


Neat!

derpy: In order to survive, the show needs to give us a reason to care about the characters not played by Spader.


Agreed. Good analysis.
 
2013-10-21 11:19:25 AM

clkeagle: StrikitRich: Witty_Retort: IdBeCrazyIf: Wellon Dowd: The only NBC show I watch is The Blacklist, and I am on the fence about that. I love James Spader's Shatner-lite approach to his craft and the lead actress is like a thicker, sturdier Olivia Wilde, but I can see it doing downhill quickly in the future.

[i.imgur.com image 600x799]

Eventually everyone is going to tire of Spader being an asshole

Not I.

The tease of the eventual 'big reveal' is getting tiresome, though.

Lizzie: I am your father.

I'm thinking they will go full Obi-Wan with it. First, someone will tell Lizzie (or her own investigation will conclude) that he killed her father... then, when he's about to be indicted for that murder, he will reveal he is her father.


And what about her husband with the mysterious background and the hidden treasure chest with a copy of her burn scar carved into the top?  Any guesses?
 
2013-10-21 11:19:40 AM

clkeagle: StrikitRich: Witty_Retort: IdBeCrazyIf: Wellon Dowd: The only NBC show I watch is The Blacklist, and I am on the fence about that. I love James Spader's Shatner-lite approach to his craft and the lead actress is like a thicker, sturdier Olivia Wilde, but I can see it doing downhill quickly in the future.

[i.imgur.com image 600x799]

Eventually everyone is going to tire of Spader being an asshole

Not I.

The tease of the eventual 'big reveal' is getting tiresome, though.

Lizzie: I am your father.

I'm thinking they will go full Obi-Wan with it. First, someone will tell Lizzie (or her own investigation will conclude) that he killed her father... then, when he's about to be indicted for that murder, he will reveal he is her father.




i was explaining the show to someone at work, who quickly said, "Oh, he's her father!" So, there you go. The amazing big reveal that they are trying to build towards was solvable by a guy who just heard a basic description of the show in 2 minutes.

Really, the spy-jinx of the show is entertaining enough without the stupid series arc subplot. At some point, I imagine that the criminal underworld has to get together and notice "Geez, for the last 6 months or so, every time someone uses Spader as a broker for their underworld dealings, they get killed or arrested. maybe we should find someone else for a while...."
 
2013-10-21 11:23:58 AM
"Welcome to the Family" was NBC's stab at making a Modern Family clone

Good gosh. I watched one episode of that show.
That's like saying Star Crash was a clone of Star Wars.
 
2013-10-21 11:29:41 AM

Zombie DJ: "Welcome to the Family" was NBC's stab at making a Modern Family clone

Good gosh. I watched one episode of that show.
That's like saying Star Crash was a clone of Star Wars.


Good gosh, I am shocked that someone else knows about Star Crash.

/yeah yeah nothing obscure
//did you ever notice that one of the ship designs in the final battle sequence resembled a toilet?
 
2013-10-21 11:32:46 AM

StrikitRich: clkeagle: StrikitRich: Witty_Retort: IdBeCrazyIf: Wellon Dowd: The only NBC show I watch is The Blacklist, and I am on the fence about that. I love James Spader's Shatner-lite approach to his craft and the lead actress is like a thicker, sturdier Olivia Wilde, but I can see it doing downhill quickly in the future.

[i.imgur.com image 600x799]

Eventually everyone is going to tire of Spader being an asshole

Not I.

The tease of the eventual 'big reveal' is getting tiresome, though.

Lizzie: I am your father.

I'm thinking they will go full Obi-Wan with it. First, someone will tell Lizzie (or her own investigation will conclude) that he killed her father... then, when he's about to be indicted for that murder, he will reveal he is her father.

And what about her husband with the mysterious background and the hidden treasure chest with a copy of her burn scar carved into the top?  Any guesses?



Well, hopefully he doesn't end up being Leia in the Star Wars metaphor... or that is going to become one awkward marriage.

I really haven't thought about it much, mainly for the "why do we care about these characters" point that derpy made above. Best guess is that he is connected to an organized crime element who had dealings with Reddington, discovered he had a connection to Lizzie, and set himself up as her protection.
 
2013-10-21 11:39:37 AM

snowshovel: clkeagle: StrikitRich: Witty_Retort: IdBeCrazyIf: Wellon Dowd: The only NBC show I watch is The Blacklist, and I am on the fence about that. I love James Spader's Shatner-lite approach to his craft and the lead actress is like a thicker, sturdier Olivia Wilde, but I can see it doing downhill quickly in the future.

[i.imgur.com image 600x799]

Eventually everyone is going to tire of Spader being an asshole

Not I.

The tease of the eventual 'big reveal' is getting tiresome, though.

Lizzie: I am your father.

I'm thinking they will go full Obi-Wan with it. First, someone will tell Lizzie (or her own investigation will conclude) that he killed her father... then, when he's about to be indicted for that murder, he will reveal he is her father.

i was explaining the show to someone at work, who quickly said, "Oh, he's her father!" So, there you go. The amazing big reveal that they are trying to build towards was solvable by a guy who just heard a basic description of the show in 2 minutes.

Really, the spy-jinx of the show is entertaining enough without the stupid series arc subplot. At some point, I imagine that the criminal underworld has to get together and notice "Geez, for the last 6 months or so, every time someone uses Spader as a broker for their underworld dealings, they get killed or arrested. maybe we should find someone else for a while...."


I started watching the show this weekend after my brother kept talking about it.  From his description I immediately quipped, "Oh, it's just like Alcatraz where they went after the criminal of the week."  He thought about it then admitted that it was.  It even stars Parminder Nagra.

Funny thing was they had Spader on a tanker converted to a floating jail, just like the new Stallone/Swarzenegger film.
 
2013-10-21 11:42:51 AM

clkeagle: I really haven't thought about it much, mainly for the "why do we care about these characters" point that derpy made above. Best guess is that he is connected to an organized crime element who had dealings with Reddington, discovered he had a connection to Lizzie, and set himself up as her protection.


Red knew exactly what was in the box.
Did he 'out' himself to the FBI to protect her from the husband's employer?
Who installed the surveillance equipment in their house?
I guess I like the show a bit more than I thought.

/Soupmaker ep was extra icky.
 
2013-10-21 11:45:06 AM
One of the best shows on TV comes back early next year.

seriable.com
 
2013-10-21 11:48:06 AM

Beerguy: One of the best shows on TV comes back early next year.

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Loved it.
I missed 1 or 2 of the first eps, but still caught the rest.
Hope they rebroadcast the season before starting back up.
 
2013-10-21 11:48:44 AM

Witty_Retort: Who installed the surveillance equipment in their house?


I'm guessing Reddington.  To protect his daughter. (and if she's not his daughter, they are going to have to explain how she isn't very convincingly)

He certainly has the resources, and it was done without the knowledge of any other character.  The only character that we have that works completely independently is Reddington.
 
2013-10-21 11:51:08 AM

Beerguy: One of the best shows on TV comes back early next year.

[seriable.com image 600x917]


Da! Da!

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2013-10-21 11:51:18 AM
Hmmm, a clone of a show I already don't watch.

I keep getting closer and closer to disconnecting the cable and sending the DVR back.
 
2013-10-21 11:57:32 AM

derpy: I'm guessing Reddington. To protect his daughter. (and if she's not his daughter, they are going to have to explain how she isn't very convincingly)


Could be the husband's employer. Keeping track of him and see if she reveals anything outside his earshot.

I would imagine (hope) that the writers keep a couple story lines for all actions open and only sew them up when necessary.

But, I've given TV writers way too much credit in the past. B5 really raised my expectations way too high.

And LOST and BSG crushed the fark out of them.

/if i was a tv exec, I would ask for a 3-5 year story arc before I approved a 'mystery' show.
//you should know where your show starts and how it ends when you pitch.
///is the trip between the two worth watching?
 
2013-10-21 12:05:00 PM

StrikitRich: I started watching the show this weekend after my brother kept talking about it.  From his description I immediately quipped, "Oh, it's just like Alcatraz where they went after the criminal of the week."  He thought about it then admitted that it was.  It even stars Parminder Nagra.


The whole "___ of the week" concept isn't a dealbreaker in itself. House M.D. and Bones both had five or six good years as "___ of the week" procedural dramas, carried only by the strength of their characters, even with very little subplot. Blacklist just needs more development of its secondary characters... and more interesting Blacklisters.
 
2013-10-21 12:05:02 PM

StrikitRich: Witty_Retort: IdBeCrazyIf: Wellon Dowd: The only NBC show I watch is The Blacklist, and I am on the fence about that. I love James Spader's Shatner-lite approach to his craft and the lead actress is like a thicker, sturdier Olivia Wilde, but I can see it doing downhill quickly in the future.

[i.imgur.com image 600x799]

Eventually everyone is going to tire of Spader being an asshole

Not I.

The tease of the eventual 'big reveal' is getting tiresome, though.

Lizzie: I am your father.


I'm thinking they're going to go a little bit more complicated than just "you're my kid, herp derp", but it's clear that he's family of one stripe or another.  Maybe only genetically perhaps, or maybe only by virtue of her father being his best friend/ex-son-in-law/saved his life once.  Regardless, I like the show: the plots are enjoyable enough every week, and I personally do not tire of watching James Spader being weird in that James Spaderish way.

As for Ironside, I've written a lot about the show here on Fark, but basically it boils down to the fact that the writers seem to think you can't have a cop show without including at least 20 minutes of atrocious cliche cop drama content every episode.  The disciplinary-action-report-a-mile-long female detective slamming her fat, Armani-wearing, pasta-eating, Italian mafioso uncle's face into the plate of spaghetti and meatballs he was eating at his overlarge desk was a pretty good example of everything wrong with that show that wasn't the way they characterize Ironside as such a badass he doesn't NEED LEGS MAN and if he wasn't crippled he'd be a goddamn supercop.
 
2013-10-21 12:13:35 PM
I did catch one episode of "Ironside" and thought it was pretty good, oh well. The only show I am watching right now is "Agents of Shield". I am about three episodes in and it's pretty good. I wish Joss Whedon would handle more of the writing but I am sure as exec producer his notes are incorporated in the script production. So far so good, I like the rag-tag crew and the awesome plane...wait, this is the new "Firefly".
 
2013-10-21 12:21:12 PM

Wellon Dowd: The only NBC show I watch is The Blacklist, and I am on the fence about that. I love James Spader's Shatner-lite approach to his craft and the lead actress is like a thicker, sturdier Olivia Wilde, but I can see it doing downhill quickly in the future.

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She does look more seaworthy.
 
2013-10-21 01:27:12 PM
So this thread, active and with 39 comments before this one, gets removed because it is a duplicate of a closed thread with 12 comments?
 
2013-10-21 01:42:34 PM

Wellon Dowd: So this thread, active and with 39 comments before this one, gets removed because it is a duplicate of a closed thread with 12 comments?


My thoughts exactly. This thread was just getting started.
 
2013-10-21 05:31:49 PM

Beerguy: Wellon Dowd: So this thread, active and with 39 comments before this one, gets removed because it is a duplicate of a closed thread with 12 comments?

My thoughts exactly. This thread was just getting started.


This.

Spend your $5!!! or your comments will wither and die.
 
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