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(Entertainment Weekly)   'Homeland' showrunner says online Dana bashing has "started to drive me mad." Well we wouldn't want him to wind up depressed and crazy like every character on his show   (insidetv.ew.com) divider line 51
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2013-10-21 09:37:12 AM
she's kinda hot
 
2013-10-21 09:44:45 AM
I keep hearing good things about this show, I should make a mental note to watch this

That and I've wanted to blast her shame cave harder than an excavation dynamite blast at a quarry ever since My So Called Life
 
2013-10-21 09:46:44 AM
Depressed and crazy is what you get for living in constant fear.
It's a parable.
 
2013-10-21 09:52:42 AM
What Dana Bashing might look like.

www.nndb.com
 
2013-10-21 09:53:51 AM
what is show about?
 
2013-10-21 09:56:58 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: I keep hearing good things about this show, I should make a mental note to watch this

That and I've wanted to blast her shame cave harder than an excavation dynamite blast at a quarry ever since My So Called Life


Don't do it, it's horrible. And Claire Danes isn't Dana.
 
2013-10-21 10:00:07 AM

Crudbucket: Don't do it, it's horrible.


Bullshiat. It's a great show. And Clare Danes is a lot of fun to watch as the most sane crazy person on the planet.
 
2013-10-21 10:01:14 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: I keep hearing good things about this show, I should make a mental note to watch this

That and I've wanted to blast her shame cave harder than an excavation dynamite blast at a quarry ever since My So Called Life


Watch the first two seasons and pretend the show ends there.
 
2013-10-21 10:15:16 AM

redmid17: IdBeCrazyIf: I keep hearing good things about this show, I should make a mental note to watch this

That and I've wanted to blast her shame cave harder than an excavation dynamite blast at a quarry ever since My So Called Life

Watch the first two seasons and pretend the show ends there.


no, watch the first season and pretend it had a closed ending.

Last season was a stupid show's idea of what a smart show looked like; like CSI ripping off Homeland's first season. This season has been pretty pointless so far.
 
2013-10-21 10:17:05 AM
"What's your take on the online (Dana) backlash?
I have stopped reading it. It started to drive me mad at the end of the last season, and I'm not kidding. I have stopped reading all that stuff. I hear anecdotally people think we're giving her too much room on the show. It's a story we thought we should be telling and it's important to the last eight episodes."


There you go, ignore what the majority of the fans think and carry on with your take on things, that way when the viewership drops and your show gets canceled you can scratch your head and wonder why.
 
2013-10-21 10:19:16 AM

FeedTheCollapse: redmid17: IdBeCrazyIf: I keep hearing good things about this show, I should make a mental note to watch this

That and I've wanted to blast her shame cave harder than an excavation dynamite blast at a quarry ever since My So Called Life

Watch the first two seasons and pretend the show ends there.

no, watch the first season and pretend it had a closed ending.

Last season was a stupid show's idea of what a smart show looked like; like CSI ripping off Homeland's first season. This season has been pretty pointless so far.


I guess I'll just keep beating it to pics of her then
 
2013-10-21 10:21:13 AM
This season of Homeland has been the worst thing I currently watch on TV and I'm getting ready to dump it permanently.

Did the writers all quit and they just didn't bother to replace them?
 
2013-10-21 10:40:33 AM

BalugaJoe: what is show about?


About an hour per episode.
 
2013-10-21 10:58:03 AM

ReapTheChaos: "What's your take on the online (Dana) backlash?
I have stopped reading it. It started to drive me mad at the end of the last season, and I'm not kidding. I have stopped reading all that stuff. I hear anecdotally people think we're giving her too much room on the show. It's a story we thought we should be telling and it's important to the last eight episodes."

There you go, ignore what the majority of the fans think and carry on with your take on things, that way when the viewership drops and your show gets canceled you can scratch your head and wonder why.


Or you hope that your fans are willing to see the show through and enjoy her presence more after the season is over when they have the entire story...
 
2013-10-21 11:00:50 AM
(whispering) I kinda think the Dana stuff is interesting.
 
2013-10-21 11:05:42 AM

Renob: (whispering) I kinda think the Dana stuff is interesting.


It's miles better than Brodie's Third World shiathole Fun-Time Adventure.
 
2013-10-21 11:20:05 AM

ReapTheChaos: There you go, ignore what the majority of the fans think and carry on with your take on things, that way when the viewership drops and your show gets canceled you can scratch your head and wonder why.


Oh jeez the vast majority of viewers of the show do NOT bother to go online and farking biatch. Sorry, get over yourself.
 
2013-10-21 11:21:42 AM
They really missed a chance to have some fun by showing Brodie hiding in the British Columbian wilderness, working as a logger with special guest star Michael C. Hall as a co-worker giving him the stinkeye for some unknown reason.
 
2013-10-21 11:23:10 AM
I just watched last night's episode. I watch the show faithfully for reasons I don't quite understand. I love Brody's location though, that Tower of David is a real place. More of that, please, and much less Dana. So what, her new boyfriend is a suicidal killer or something like that? eh I don't care at all. The show is remarkably pointless this season though.
 
kab
2013-10-21 11:48:49 AM

Confabulat: The show is remarkably pointless this season though.


It absolutely is.  I'll keep watching though, but it really does seem like they're trying to write themselves out of a hole at this point.

/still say the better plan would have been Brody and Carrie skipping town together, and her having to prove his innocence while trying to avoid the manhunt.    As it stands now, the inevitable 'something shocking happened, and now she's re-instated' is going to be beyond ridiculous.
//yes, Saul is a bad guy.
 
2013-10-21 11:55:22 AM

BalugaJoe: what is show about?


This season?  A bunch of people being locked up in a variety of different places and being unwillingly drugged.  Depressed people in mental institutions being forcibly given Lithium, fugitives in third-world safehouse/prisons getting hooked on Heroin, suicidal teenagers force-fed antidepressants, and on and on and on.

First two seasons were great.  This season so far has had a fraction of one episode consisting of any action, whereas the other three-and-three-quarters have been "LOOK HOW SHIATTY THESE PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE.  LOOK!  LOOOOOOOOOOOOOK!!!!!"
 
2013-10-21 11:56:54 AM

Renob: (whispering) I kinda think the Dana stuff is interesting.


DeathByGeekSquad: ReapTheChaos: "What's your take on the online (Dana) backlash?
I have stopped reading it. It started to drive me mad at the end of the last season, and I'm not kidding. I have stopped reading all that stuff. I hear anecdotally people think we're giving her too much room on the show. It's a story we thought we should be telling and it's important to the last eight episodes."

There you go, ignore what the majority of the fans think and carry on with your take on things, that way when the viewership drops and your show gets canceled you can scratch your head and wonder why.

Or you hope that your fans are willing to see the show through and enjoy her presence more after the season is over when they have the entire story...


Renob: (whispering) I kinda think the Dana stuff is interesting.


I do too, and I think the writing on this show is great.  People that think it sucks need to actually finish watching season two instead of thinking they ruined the story by not killing him in season 1.
 
2013-10-21 12:21:27 PM

NicktheSmoker: I do too, and I think the writing on this show is great.  People that think it sucks need to actually finish watching season two instead of thinking they ruined the story by not killing him in season 1.


I finished season 2. It really was a noticeable drop in quality from the first season. They didn't really have to kill Brody in the first season, but there really wasn't much for them to do in the second season.


I wouldn't mind the Brody's family storyline as much if it didn't get as much attention as it does. it's really not all that interesting and feels very extraneous at this point.
 
2013-10-21 12:34:13 PM

NicktheSmoker: Renob: (whispering) I kinda think the Dana stuff is interesting.

DeathByGeekSquad: ReapTheChaos: "What's your take on the online (Dana) backlash?
I have stopped reading it. It started to drive me mad at the end of the last season, and I'm not kidding. I have stopped reading all that stuff. I hear anecdotally people think we're giving her too much room on the show. It's a story we thought we should be telling and it's important to the last eight episodes."

There you go, ignore what the majority of the fans think and carry on with your take on things, that way when the viewership drops and your show gets canceled you can scratch your head and wonder why.

Or you hope that your fans are willing to see the show through and enjoy her presence more after the season is over when they have the entire story...

Renob: (whispering) I kinda think the Dana stuff is interesting.

I do too, and I think the writing on this show is great.  People that think it sucks need to actually finish watching season two instead of thinking they ruined the story by not killing him in season 1.


I think they should have killed him in season 1 but I understand why they didn't.  Season 2 started strong, went a bit off the rails in the middle, and sort of cleaned things up at the end.  However, they missed out by not killing him again at the end of last season.  The stuff with him in South America was actually sort of interesting, but his character's existence is kind of pointless at this point.  Showtime just doesn't have the balls to kill of an Emmy winner.


kab:
//yes, Saul is a bad guy.

By bad, do you mean how his character treats Carrie, others, etc.?  Or are you theorizing that he's secretly working against the CIA/government.  If it's the latter, then I disagree.  That would be an insanely stupid twist for this show to take.
 
2013-10-21 12:46:53 PM
www.aceshowbiz.com

The only reason left to watch Homeland
 
2013-10-21 01:01:09 PM

SpdrJay: This season of Homeland has been the worst thing I currently watch on TV and I'm getting ready to dump it permanently.

Did the writers all quit and they just didn't bother to replace them?


I haven't watched the last few episodes.  Maybe I shouldn't?

DeathByGeekSquad: ReapTheChaos: "What's your take on the online (Dana) backlash?
I have stopped reading it. It started to drive me mad at the end of the last season, and I'm not kidding. I have stopped reading all that stuff. I hear anecdotally people think we're giving her too much room on the show. It's a story we thought we should be telling and it's important to the last eight episodes."

There you go, ignore what the majority of the fans think and carry on with your take on things, that way when the viewership drops and your show gets canceled you can scratch your head and wonder why.

Or you hope that your fans are willing to see the show through and enjoy her presence more after the season is over when they have the entire story...


********* SPOILERS FOR SEASON 1 ********* 

I think most fans have hated Dana since the first season.  She was a somewhat irritating character during a majority of that season, until she stopped Brody from going boom.  It was a weak, weak moment from the writers to keep Brody on the show, and it cost them any chance of the fans accepting any storyline from Dana.  Then again, it also doesn't help when you create a shiat storyline for her in season 2.

********* END OF SPOILERS FOR SEASON 1 *********
 
2013-10-21 01:02:54 PM

Doogled: ********* SPOILERS FOR SEASON 1 ********* 

I think most fans have hated Dana since the first season.  She was a somewhat irritating character during a majority of that season, until she stopped Brody from going boom.  It was a weak, weak moment from the writers to keep Brody on the show, and it cost them any chance of the fans accepting any storyline from Dana.  Then again, it also doesn't help when you create a shiat storyline for her in season 2.

********* END OF SPOILERS FOR SEASON 1 *********


I don't buy that. I generally liked her up until about the middle of season 2 when it became a lot of whining and extraneous plots.
 
2013-10-21 01:07:23 PM

Doogled: I haven't watched the last few episodes.  Maybe I shouldn't?


That will depend if there is some kind of payoff. Right now I sort of hope they are setting things up for something exciting to happen. We don't even have an established villain yet.
 
2013-10-21 01:10:03 PM

FeedTheCollapse: Doogled: ********* SPOILERS FOR SEASON 1 *********

I think most fans have hated Dana since the first season.  She was a somewhat irritating character during a majority of that season, until she stopped Brody from going boom.  It was a weak, weak moment from the writers to keep Brody on the show, and it cost them any chance of the fans accepting any storyline from Dana.  Then again, it also doesn't help when you create a shiat storyline for her in season 2.

********* END OF SPOILERS FOR SEASON 1 *********

I don't buy that. I generally liked her up until about the middle of season 2 when it became a lot of whining and extraneous plots.


I was blown away when she and Landry killed that rapist guy.
 
2013-10-21 01:38:33 PM

StrikitRich: [www.aceshowbiz.com image 667x1000]

The only reason left to watch Homeland


Yeah if you like watching a boring a** family
 
2013-10-21 01:40:35 PM

Confabulat: Doogled: I haven't watched the last few episodes.  Maybe I shouldn't?

That will depend if there is some kind of payoff. Right now I sort of hope they are setting things up for something exciting to happen. We don't even have an established villain yet.


My guess: Saul and creepy associate (Adal?) are going to but heads and it'll be revealed that Adal was trying to set Saul up as the CIA mole (though I always thought Estes was the mole, that prick). Carrie is going deep cover to expose the mole, which will reveal to Saul that Adal is the mole. Somehow, they will find a way to bring Brody back in, and he'll die in some horrible shootout or bombing or something that will vindicate his name while killing off his family

maybe it's far-fetched but I think this whole season is gearing up for a fight between Saul and his creepy associate

and to the haters of Season 2, The final scene in the finale where Saul sees Carrie and the look on his face going from shock to a sad happiness is one of the most gut-wrenching moments of the entire show. The scenes between Carrie and Saul throughout all three seasons are some of the best scenes of the show.

I loved the last half of Season 2 and even the beginning of Season 2. My one issue with the season was that one episode where Brody deals with the VP and Abu Nazir. That whole 2-episode arc seemed rushed and out of character with Brody and you can see it on his face throughout the whole assassination scene that it really was off for him to act.

/You are the smartest and dumbest farking person I know
 
2013-10-21 02:00:28 PM
What I thought Homeland is supposed to be about: An espionage thriller spearheaded by a wonderfully acted "sane crazy" person who must combat both doubters at home and terrorists abroad.  A new terrorist plot each season.

What Homeland really is: Following a really boring family that nobody cares about, and keep giving Damian Lewis paychecks in a transparent attempt by the writers to re-create the magical first season while letting Claire Danes amp up her craziness level each week to showcase her acting chops.

How to fix: Stop following the Brody family.  Allow Brody to come back to the states and allow him to be killed off while helping Carrie foil a new terrorist plot, redeeming his name after the Langley explosion.  Carrie farks something up and becomes wanted, and goes rogue in a country she previously worked in before.  She can never publicly work for the CIA again, but will be a secret contractor for them recruiting new agents in that country because it's what she's good at.  She's simultaneously on the run and helping her country at the same time.
 
2013-10-21 02:50:01 PM
there should be at LEAST the same amount of Claire D bashing as dana bashing ... they both remain in the same emotional state..  but, as i discovered after suffereing through season 2, that's what teh show actually is about!  It's not a clever national security drama, it's an estrogen fest pure and simple.

you've got batshiat crazy Claire who's contantly hysterical, frantic, and on the edge of collapse (but she's always right ! )   you've got Brody's wife who thrashes the war hero around his own home and then throws him on the street (to the cheers from the target audience).  and you've got the sullen pouty miserable dana who enjoys amazing priviledge, yet always seems to want to drown herself.

/haven't seen a minute of season 3
 
2013-10-21 03:22:24 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: StrikitRich: [www.aceshowbiz.com image 667x1000]

The only reason left to watch Homeland

Yeah if you like watching a boring a** family


Family?  I'm just watching Morena.
 
2013-10-21 03:54:13 PM

StrikitRich: I'm just watching Morena.


It's too bad her character has absolutely nothing to do but fret about Dana's much more important life.
 
2013-10-21 03:58:24 PM

Confabulat: StrikitRich: I'm just watching Morena.

It's too bad her character has absolutely nothing to do but fret about Dana's much more important life.


Does she still get naked?
 
2013-10-21 04:03:15 PM

Crudbucket: Does she still get naked?


Not in a long time. These days her job is to look worried about things.
 
2013-10-21 04:12:35 PM
Show needs more Roya Hammad.
 
2013-10-21 04:25:11 PM

FeedTheCollapse: NicktheSmoker: I do too, and I think the writing on this show is great.  People that think it sucks need to actually finish watching season two instead of thinking they ruined the story by not killing him in season 1.

I finished season 2. It really was a noticeable drop in quality from the first season. They didn't really have to kill Brody in the first season, but there really wasn't much for them to do in the second season.


I wouldn't mind the Brody's family storyline as much if it didn't get as much attention as it does. it's really not all that interesting and feels very extraneous at this point.


But that's been the point of the show since season 1.  How him being held prisoner for years screwed his family up and they moved on, and then he came back and it made things even worse.
 
2013-10-21 04:29:46 PM

NicktheSmoker: But that's been the point of the show since season 1.  How him being held prisoner for years screwed his family up and they moved on, and then he came back and it made things even worse.


That was the point of the show IN Season One. Brody can't even talk to his family anymore, and they wouldn't want to anyway, as they think he's a terrorist too. So now they just have their own little adventures (well Dana does) that have no bearing on the overall show's main storylines at all. They exist almost like a spin-off show, completely isolated from the events of our main characters.
 
2013-10-21 05:37:38 PM
I just finished watching last night's episode, and I gotta say, it's definitely restored my faith in the series continuing the spy-thriller aspect of the show. And based on next week's preview, the Brody family gets wrapped up in the Saul/Carrie chess match. This should be very interesting to see how they develop it. Brody, I think will come back into it as a means to Saul's ultimate end in this chess game. This has been a very slow-burning setup but it's looking to be a very good punch in the end.
 
2013-10-21 05:51:44 PM
Stay tune at this rate of deterioration by season 5 Saul and Brody will be allied with the Muslim Brotherhood protecting our nation from the Tea Party .

1st.season we actually pretended that  in Muslim extremism really existed.

// Loved the first season
/// Okay with the second season
//// Hey is that the Fonzie and on a motorcycle circling season three.
 
2013-10-21 06:25:39 PM

Confabulat: NicktheSmoker: But that's been the point of the show since season 1.  How him being held prisoner for years screwed his family up and they moved on, and then he came back and it made things even worse.

That was the point of the show IN Season One. Brody can't even talk to his family anymore, and they wouldn't want to anyway, as they think he's a terrorist too. So now they just have their own little adventures (well Dana does) that have no bearing on the overall show's main storylines at all. They exist almost like a spin-off show, completely isolated from the events of our main characters.



exactly this. Carrie's plot is rightfully the main focus while Brody and his family all feel like completely extra stories; though Brody is arguably much more an important of a focus than his family.

either way, if season 1 wasn't self-contained, then the show should ended with Nazir's death in season 2. Everythign since comes off like the writers don't really know where to go next and are actively mapping out new territory to go. That wouldn't be so bad if it didn't feel like I'm going to have to wait for about half a season for a pay-off that probably won't be worth the effort.
 
2013-10-21 07:25:24 PM

FeedTheCollapse: exactly this. Carrie's plot is rightfully the main focus while Brody and his family all feel like completely extra stories; though Brody is arguably much more an important of a focus than his family.


The previews for next week seem to indicate that Brody's family gets stuck with the Carrie/Saul story. and Brody seems to be the contact that will end up either offing or capturing the target that Saul wants in Caracas.

Dana will end up turning into a new Brody somewhere down the line and the loss of creepy boyfriend probably will be what does it (and, plus, she'll probably blow up the mom in the process. so wins all around, right?)
 
HBK
2013-10-21 11:52:51 PM
I cannot stand Claire Danes's character on this show.

Why is it that anytime there's a "strong" female lead, she's constantly acting like a dumb teenager: giving into her emotions, and forgoing awesome careers for a man?

Why can't educated, competent female characters with ridiculously awesome careers act rationally? Covert Affairs went the same route.
 
2013-10-22 04:10:44 AM
Damian Lewis and Claire Daines are 2 of the worst over actors in all of Hollywood.

And how did a show about the War on Terror become a boring teen drama?
 
2013-10-22 04:26:30 AM

HBK: I cannot stand Claire Danes's character on this show.

Why is it that anytime there's a "strong" female lead, she's constantly acting like a dumb teenager: giving into her emotions, and forgoing awesome careers for a man?

Why can't educated, competent female characters with ridiculously awesome careers act rationally? Covert Affairs went the same route.


Because she's actually shiathouse rat crazy?
 
HBK
2013-10-22 04:40:12 AM

MagSeven: HBK: I cannot stand Claire Danes's character on this show.

Why is it that anytime there's a "strong" female lead, she's constantly acting like a dumb teenager: giving into her emotions, and forgoing awesome careers for a man?

Why can't educated, competent female characters with ridiculously awesome careers act rationally? Covert Affairs went the same route.

Because she's actually shiathouse rat crazy?


Why must all strong female lead characters be crazy and helpless?

That's the offensive part.
 
2013-10-22 08:11:24 AM

HBK: MagSeven: HBK: I cannot stand Claire Danes's character on this show.

Why is it that anytime there's a "strong" female lead, she's constantly acting like a dumb teenager: giving into her emotions, and forgoing awesome careers for a man?

Why can't educated, competent female characters with ridiculously awesome careers act rationally? Covert Affairs went the same route.

Because she's actually shiathouse rat crazy?

Why must all strong female lead characters be crazy and helpless?

That's the offensive part.


Well if they're helpless, they aren't exactly strong so that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But there are plenty of strong, not helpless female characters out there. There''s also some that are portrayed as crazy. helpless or a combination of both. It offends me sometimes, but on certain occasions, I'm proven wrong (I'm thinking of Skyler).
 
2013-10-22 08:17:45 AM

MagSeven: HBK: MagSeven: HBK: I cannot stand Claire Danes's character on this show.

Why is it that anytime there's a "strong" female lead, she's constantly acting like a dumb teenager: giving into her emotions, and forgoing awesome careers for a man?

Why can't educated, competent female characters with ridiculously awesome careers act rationally? Covert Affairs went the same route.

Because she's actually shiathouse rat crazy?

Why must all strong female lead characters be crazy and helpless?

That's the offensive part.

Well if they're helpless, they aren't exactly strong so that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But there are plenty of strong, not helpless female characters out there. There''s also some that are portrayed as crazy. helpless or a combination of both. It offends me sometimes, but on certain occasions, I'm proven wrong (I'm thinking of Skyler).


Also, let me clarify that Carrie isn't weak by any means, but she is farking crazy. There's a difference.
 
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