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(Opposing Views)   Universal Studios Hollywood presents its very homophobic Halloween show, which it will be apologizing for in 3...2...1   (opposingviews.com) divider line 196
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2013-10-21 12:08:40 AM
Homophobic?

I am not sure if it rises to that level.
 
2013-10-21 12:46:18 AM

cman: Homophobic?

I am not sure if it rises to that level.


It only has to offend one person, and it rises to that level.  Those are the rules.
 
2013-10-21 12:48:36 AM

cman: Homophobic?

I am not sure if it rises to that level.


Homophobic is the equivalent of "racist" for gay. This is equivalent to a witch turning Superman black, and he suddenly starts speaking ghetto-style, craving watermelon and fried chicken, drinking syrup, and trying to fark every white woman in sight.
 
2013-10-21 12:58:51 AM
WTH is "Opposing Views" and why is every other article linking to that now on Fark?
 
2013-10-21 01:39:28 AM

coco ebert: WTH is "Opposing Views" and why is every other article linking to that now on Fark?


I'm guessing it's because there are only like 13 big news sites left on the internet, and most of them run the same boring shiat.  Opposing Views appears to run boatloads of quirky stories - perfect for Fark to rebroadcast.
 
2013-10-21 03:22:45 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: cman: Homophobic?

I am not sure if it rises to that level.

Homophobic is the equivalent of "racist" for gay. This is equivalent to a witch turning Superman black, and he suddenly starts speaking ghetto-style, craving watermelon and fried chicken, drinking syrup, and trying to fark every white woman in sight.


I dunno, what you've done there is start with something perhaps mildly offensive to sensitive types, twist it into something more offensive to more people and say they're equal.

It's equivalent to if the witch turned him English and he had a bowler hat, a cup of tea, added u's into every word, spoke properly, and a set of fake bad teeth.

See? Same but in a different direction on the offensive scale. Just because something is a stereotype doesn't make it as bad as the worst stereotypes out there.
 
2013-10-21 03:24:39 AM
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2013-10-21 03:27:00 AM
FTA: If that wasn't enough, an actor playing Star Trek's George Takei, who is gay, hits on Superman and they leave the stage to have sex, but not before Takai says, "Time to boldly go where no man has gone before."

Oh MY.
 
2013-10-21 03:33:37 AM
Um, this is out of line.
 
2013-10-21 03:37:15 AM
I'm deeply offended, not on behalf of gay people, because they can speak for themselves, but as a fan of Bill and Ted. There is nothing excellent about this.
 
2013-10-21 03:41:27 AM
Man, is there any group out there more butthurt than these people?
 
2013-10-21 03:42:58 AM
As a homosexual Gay(TM), I find this both inoffensive and surprisingly mildly amusing. Now, if they had opted for gay Superman to prance about trying to seduce children while wearing assless chaps and banging a monkey? That would be offensive.

I mean, come on--Superman would be far more likely to screw Batman.
 
2013-10-21 03:44:52 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Man, is there any group out there more butthurt than these people?


Al Sharpton. Al Sharpton is one great big group of butthurt people. And I'm saying that as a left-leaning centrist.
 
2013-10-21 03:50:30 AM
Camp gay is very hard to pull off without going too far (good: DeNiro in Stardust, everyone in Priscilla Queen of the Desert, Stephen Stucker (Johnny) in Airplane bad: Bruno).
 
2013-10-21 03:53:08 AM

maram500: As a homosexual Gay(TM), I find this both inoffensive and surprisingly mildly amusing. Now, if they had opted for gay Superman to prance about trying to seduce children while wearing assless chaps and banging a monkey? That would be offensive.

I mean, come on--Superman would be far more likely to screw Batman Jimmy Olsen.


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2013-10-21 03:55:40 AM

Snapper Carr: Camp gay is very hard to pull off without going too far (good: DeNiro in Stardust,


Good?  DeNiro's performance almost single-handedly ruined that movie.

Guess he heard they wanted some over-the-top on their over-the-top, and he brought it.
 
2013-10-21 03:55:43 AM
Prediction: it turns out that a gay man wrote the script for this, which therefore innoculates it from all criticism.
 
2013-10-21 03:56:07 AM
You mean superman isn't gay?
 
2013-10-21 03:56:15 AM
No one is allowed to make jokes about ever again!
 
2013-10-21 03:57:22 AM

crab66: No one is allowed to make jokes about anything ever again!

 
2013-10-21 04:00:49 AM

maram500: As a homosexual Gay(TM), I find this both inoffensive and surprisingly mildly amusing. Now, if they had opted for gay Superman to prance about trying to seduce children while wearing assless chaps and banging a monkey? That would be offensive.

I mean, come on--Superman would be far more likely to screw Batman.


Noooo, leave poor Beppo alone!
 
2013-10-21 04:04:04 AM
Seems like it should be offensive, but I cede to George Takei, if he's okay with it, so am I.
 
2013-10-21 04:05:08 AM

Slaxl: Benevolent Misanthrope: cman: Homophobic?

I am not sure if it rises to that level.

Homophobic is the equivalent of "racist" for gay. This is equivalent to a witch turning Superman black, and he suddenly starts speaking ghetto-style, craving watermelon and fried chicken, drinking syrup, and trying to fark every white woman in sight.

I dunno, what you've done there is start with something perhaps mildly offensive to sensitive types, twist it into something more offensive to more people and say they're equal.

It's equivalent to if the witch turned him English and he had a bowler hat, a cup of tea, added u's into every word, spoke properly, and a set of fake bad teeth.

See? Same but in a different direction on the offensive scale. Just because something is a stereotype doesn't make it as bad as the worst stereotypes out there.


That's because you've hit on the crux of good vs bad satire. Good satire mocks up. English people have never been a persecuted minority, once ruled the Earth, and are therefore perfectly at ease with being mocked.

Black people, like gays, or Jews, or in some cases women, have been the subject of mocking from above for centuries, by the dominant majority. Satire mocks powerful, not the powerless, else what you're doing is actually persecution.
 
2013-10-21 04:09:28 AM

Lsherm: cman: Homophobic?

I am not sure if it rises to that level.

It only has to offend one person, and it rises to that level.  Those are the rules.


I once got talked into going to a Midnight showing of Rocky Horror at a local theater during HS (and this wasn't even that long ago, they still do them around here as far as I know).

Anyway, it was the one where everyone dressed up, yelled at the screen, threw rice in the theater during the wedding scene, etc....

They took the "virgins" on stage, made us do weird things (spin a wheel to find your punishment).....some people were offended, some people left, one person yelled about it (just a brief "this is gay, fark you")...but at the end of the experience those who were offended left. No one called to complain, no one sued.

It's only been a few years, I don't know what the hell happened to people.

/dnrtfa and might have missed the entire point and told a story for no reason
//I blame the rum, and in the end the whole experience was fun and the people were awesome
///ta-da?
 
2013-10-21 04:10:44 AM
If you go to the original article, they don't think it's just homophobic, but offensive to everybody:

For instance, if you're Asian, the Kim Jong-un character is unable to pronounce certain words with HILARIOUS results. Like, there's a part where he describes himself as the "supleme reader of the Munchkin Rand" ...  If you're black, there are fresh new jokes about how black people can't swim and die first in horror movies...Also, if you're one of those sensitive types who doesn't like rape, there's a part where Wreck-It Ralph comes and beats Nicki Minaj and Amanda Bynes into unconsciousness. He then picks Nicki up, throws her over his shoulder and starts to take her off stage. "Where are you taking Nicki Minaj?" asks Bill. Wreck-It Ralph gestures toward Nicki's ass and says "I'm gonnawreckit."
 
2013-10-21 04:11:35 AM
Heinous or hilarious?

Trick or treat?

Seems a little risque for a Universal Studios thing but I'm not offended.

I woulda gone for something a little spookier you know COS HALLOWEEN but apparently that's passe these days or something.
 
2013-10-21 04:12:00 AM

Piestar: Seems like it should be offensive, but I cede to George Takei, if he's okay with it, so am I.


Why?  It sounds funny.  I would imagine George Takei saying "Oh My!"
 
2013-10-21 04:15:24 AM

Bungles: That's because you've hit on the crux of good vs bad satire. Good satire mocks up. English people have never been a persecuted minority, once ruled the Earth, and are therefore perfectly at ease with being mocked.

Black people, like gays, or Jews, or in some cases women, have been the subject of mocking from above for centuries, by the dominant majority. Satire mocks powerful, not the powerless, else what you're doing is actually persecution.


That's liberal bullshiat.  Nothing/nobody is out of bounds for satire.  If some oppressed minority does something stupid, they're going to be mocked just like anyone else.

/was your post a satire of awful left-wing cant?
 
2013-10-21 04:19:05 AM

Captain Dan: Bungles: That's because you've hit on the crux of good vs bad satire. Good satire mocks up. English people have never been a persecuted minority, once ruled the Earth, and are therefore perfectly at ease with being mocked.

Black people, like gays, or Jews, or in some cases women, have been the subject of mocking from above for centuries, by the dominant majority. Satire mocks powerful, not the powerless, else what you're doing is actually persecution.

That's liberal bullshiat.  Nothing/nobody is out of bounds for satire.  If some oppressed minority does something stupid, they're going to be mocked just like anyone else.

/was your post a satire of awful left-wing cant?


It's not "liberal bullshiat", it's been the definition of how satire works since before Alexander Pope. Perhaps this is why there are virtually no right-wing comedians, because they just don't understand the mechanics of comedy?
 
2013-10-21 04:20:11 AM

Piestar: Seems like it should be offensive, but I cede to George Takei, if he's okay with it, so am I.


Didnt he jerk off a bunch of dudes on howard stern's show recently? Takei is cool with me, but he might not be the best judge of decorum.

/huh, huh... DICKorum
 
2013-10-21 04:21:51 AM
People who get offended over ANYTHING need to get a life. I can't even think of one time in my life where I've ever been offended. If it's ever happened at all, it was the result of something on a personal basis, like with a family member, friend, or co-worker. That's a little lame too, but at least it makes sense. To get offended about people you don't even know, that have no impact or bearing on your life at all, is just ridiculous and a waste of time and energy. Getting offended is something that uppity old ladies do because they have nothing better to do and they act like their sensibilities are so fragile that someone saying a naughty word could induce a stroke. Don't be one of those people. Grow a par, ignore what you don't like, and move on with your life. This goes for everything - sexism, racism, anything sexual related, anything religious...etc. There's always going to be people who think differently than you. There will always be entertainment that you don't find entertaining. Seek out what it is that jives well with your preferences and tune out the rest.
 
2013-10-21 04:23:07 AM

justoneznot: People who get offended over ANYTHING need to get a life. I can't even think of one time in my life where I've ever been offended. If it's ever happened at all, it was the result of something on a personal basis, like with a family member, friend, or co-worker. That's a little lame too, but at least it makes sense. To get offended about people you don't even know, that have no impact or bearing on your life at all, is just ridiculous and a waste of time and energy. Getting offended is something that uppity old ladies do because they have nothing better to do and they act like their sensibilities are so fragile that someone saying a naughty word could induce a stroke. Don't be one of those people. Grow a par, ignore what you don't like, and move on with your life. This goes for everything - sexism, racism, anything sexual related, anything religious...etc. There's always going to be people who think differently than you. There will always be entertainment that you don't find entertaining. Seek out what it is that jives well with your preferences and tune out the rest.


Are you a white, straight, middle class male?
 
2013-10-21 04:24:42 AM
The article refers to Bill and Ted as stoners. They're not stoners, they're just idiots. Stupid writer.
 
2013-10-21 04:30:05 AM
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2013-10-21 04:30:31 AM

Snapper Carr: maram500: As a homosexual Gay(TM), I find this both inoffensive and surprisingly mildly amusing. Now, if they had opted for gay Superman to prance about trying to seduce children while wearing assless chaps and banging a monkey? That would be offensive.

I mean, come on--Superman would be far more likely to screw Batman Jimmy Olsen.

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It really doesn't matter.  Gay or straight, Superman is a dick.
 
2013-10-21 04:32:30 AM
Offensive? As much as any over the top stereotype is and I'm not sure that anyone can say this group of people is OK to make fun of but not this one as a previous commenter suggested was the case. Also please note it was `fake` George Takei who approved and that just because one gay person gives it their seal of approval doesn't make it inoffensive just as if one black person said they were alright with the black and white minstrel show wouldn't make that OK either.

That said my problem is that it's just a really obvious and lazy way of getting cheap laughs and one which British pantomime has been using for years. Not particularly funny unless you think all gay people act like that and sadly most do so it works and the stereotype continues on.
 
2013-10-21 04:35:37 AM

Captain Dan: Bungles: That's because you've hit on the crux of good vs bad satire. Good satire mocks up. English people have never been a persecuted minority, once ruled the Earth, and are therefore perfectly at ease with being mocked.

Black people, like gays, or Jews, or in some cases women, have been the subject of mocking from above for centuries, by the dominant majority. Satire mocks powerful, not the powerless, else what you're doing is actually persecution.

That's liberal bullshiat.  Nothing/nobody is out of bounds for satire.  If some oppressed minority does something stupid, they're going to be mocked just like anyone else.


You seem awfully defensive about a fairly simple and obvious statement of fact.
 
2013-10-21 04:40:09 AM

Brosef Stalin: Offensive? As much as any over the top stereotype is and I'm not sure that anyone can say this group of people is OK to make fun of but not this one as a previous commenter suggested was the case. Also please note it was `fake` George Takei who approved and that just because one gay person gives it their seal of approval doesn't make it inoffensive just as if one black person said they were alright with the black and white minstrel show wouldn't make that OK either.

That said my problem is that it's just a really obvious and lazy way of getting cheap laughs and one which British pantomime has been using for years. Not particularly funny unless you think all gay people act like that and sadly most do so it works and the stereotype continues on.


British pantomime is sort of a different level to that though - it's self-referentially mocking the traditions of pantomime. On the surface it's all drag and rude jokes and "He's behind you!", but it's one of the most sophisticated multi-leveled forms of comedy there is. It's a bit like Monty Python - the joke isn't the fact the shop keeper refuses to accept the parrot is dead, it's that a five minute sketch repeats the same joke 40 times.
 
2013-10-21 04:44:39 AM

Bungles: justoneznot: People who get offended over ANYTHING need to get a life. I can't even think of one time in my life where I've ever been offended. If it's ever happened at all, it was the result of something on a personal basis, like with a family member, friend, or co-worker. That's a little lame too, but at least it makes sense. To get offended about people you don't even know, that have no impact or bearing on your life at all, is just ridiculous and a waste of time and energy. Getting offended is something that uppity old ladies do because they have nothing better to do and they act like their sensibilities are so fragile that someone saying a naughty word could induce a stroke. Don't be one of those people. Grow a par, ignore what you don't like, and move on with your life. This goes for everything - sexism, racism, anything sexual related, anything religious...etc. There's always going to be people who think differently than you. There will always be entertainment that you don't find entertaining. Seek out what it is that jives well with your preferences and tune out the rest.

Are you a white, straight, middle class male?


He's what I call a Vulcan, someone who takes pride in the (false) conceit that he either has no emotions at all, or has complete control over his own mind and emotions and cannot be made to feel anything he does not choose to feel.

But yes, if we were taking bets, I'd put money down on "straight" and "male" for that reason alone.
 
2013-10-21 04:45:04 AM
Meh.
I don't think it is offensive at all. The few seconds shown on the video just look stupid.
Not all gays lack the ability to laugh at themselves.
/the outfits were fabulous
 
2013-10-21 04:45:49 AM

ciberido: You seem awfully defensive about a fairly simple and obvious statement of fact.


I'm going to be defensive any time some ideologue tries to pass off horseshiat as fact.  "It's impossible to satirize gay people"; "only white people can be racist"; "the job of the news is to afflict the comfortable": all left wing pecksniffery.
 
2013-10-21 04:48:19 AM

Captain Dan: ciberido: You seem awfully defensive about a fairly simple and obvious statement of fact.

I'm going to be defensive any time some ideologue tries to pass off horseshiat as fact.  "It's impossible to satirize gay people"; "only white people can be racist"; "the job of the news is to afflict the comfortable": all left wing pecksniffery strawmen positions I am extremely defensive about because I feel threatened.


FTFY.
 
2013-10-21 04:49:33 AM

Captain Dan: ciberido: You seem awfully defensive about a fairly simple and obvious statement of fact.

I'm going to be defensive any time some ideologue tries to pass off horseshiat as fact.  "It's impossible to satirize gay people"; "only white people can be racist"; "the job of the news is to afflict the comfortable": all left wing pecksniffery.


"Burns is a vampire," "Beer kills braincells."
 
2013-10-21 04:50:45 AM

ciberido: FTFY.


You didn't fix anything, imbecile; I understand my positions better than you do.  Either disown the statement that satire can't target minorities or admit that you actually believe that.
 
2013-10-21 04:51:40 AM

RandomRandom: Snapper Carr: Camp gay is very hard to pull off without going too far (good: DeNiro in Stardust,

Good?  DeNiro's performance almost single-handedly ruined that movie.

Guess he heard they wanted some over-the-top on their over-the-top, and he brought it.


I've never heard anyone take that position before, everyone I've ever talked to about that movie loved his performance. Take a quick look through reviews on IMDB, they speak for themselves. Review after review give him high praise for that role, many stating that he stole the show. If his performance made you feel that uncomfortable you might be a little homophobic yourself.
 
2013-10-21 04:58:22 AM

ciberido: Bungles: justoneznot: People who get offended over ANYTHING need to get a life. I can't even think of one time in my life where I've ever been offended. If it's ever happened at all, it was the result of something on a personal basis, like with a family member, friend, or co-worker. That's a little lame too, but at least it makes sense. To get offended about people you don't even know, that have no impact or bearing on your life at all, is just ridiculous and a waste of time and energy. Getting offended is something that uppity old ladies do because they have nothing better to do and they act like their sensibilities are so fragile that someone saying a naughty word could induce a stroke. Don't be one of those people. Grow a par, ignore what you don't like, and move on with your life. This goes for everything - sexism, racism, anything sexual related, anything religious...etc. There's always going to be people who think differently than you. There will always be entertainment that you don't find entertaining. Seek out what it is that jives well with your preferences and tune out the rest.

Are you a white, straight, middle class male?

He's what I call a Vulcan, someone who takes pride in the (false) conceit that he either has no emotions at all, or has complete control over his own mind and emotions and cannot be made to feel anything he does not choose to feel.

But yes, if we were taking bets, I'd put money down on "straight" and "male" for that reason alone.


Have you ever read the writings of Viktor Frankl? "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." This guy spent two years in a nazi concentration camp and came out of that horrible experience with the philosophy that we each have the power to choose our own attitudes in life despite whatever restrictions our environment may place upon us. Kind of puts it into perspective when you have people whining about their self worth being taken away by pop culture references and Halloween plays.

But to your point, Frankl was a straight male. Maybe regulating emotions is just something more biologically innate on the male side of the spectrum.
 
2013-10-21 05:00:29 AM

Captain Dan: ciberido: You seem awfully defensive about a fairly simple and obvious statement of fact.

I'm going to be defensive any time some ideologue tries to pass off horseshiat as fact.  "It's impossible to satirize gay people"; "only white people can be racist"; "the job of the news is to afflict the comfortable": all left wing pecksniffery.


Ummmm....wait. Are you calling racism a form of satire?

And this mangling  "the job of the news is to afflict the comfortable" just goes to show that you're totally off whack. "Comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable" is not about "the news".
 
2013-10-21 05:03:06 AM

Bungles: Brosef Stalin: Offensive? As much as any over the top stereotype is and I'm not sure that anyone can say this group of people is OK to make fun of but not this one as a previous commenter suggested was the case. Also please note it was `fake` George Takei who approved and that just because one gay person gives it their seal of approval doesn't make it inoffensive just as if one black person said they were alright with the black and white minstrel show wouldn't make that OK either.

That said my problem is that it's just a really obvious and lazy way of getting cheap laughs and one which British pantomime has been using for years. Not particularly funny unless you think all gay people act like that and sadly most do so it works and the stereotype continues on.

British pantomime is sort of a different level to that though - it's self-referentially mocking the traditions of pantomime. On the surface it's all drag and rude jokes and "He's behind you!", but it's one of the most sophisticated multi-leveled forms of comedy there is. It's a bit like Monty Python - the joke isn't the fact the shop keeper refuses to accept the parrot is dead, it's that a five minute sketch repeats the same joke 40 times.


But then just because something is a tradition doesn't make it right or acceptable surely? The Klu Klux Klan for example. As sophisticated and multi-layered as some pantomime may be I think I take issue with the fact that I'm `supposed` to find it funny that a guy is prancing around the stage with a limp wrist and an effeminate voice, and that if I don't agree that he represents how all gay people must act and split my sides I'm an oversensitive liberal. Though I like Python, I don't personally laugh at racial stereotypes they have used (e.g. the I like Chinese song) but I accept that that's how attitudes were then. Times and attitudes change and sometimes, so should traditions.
 
2013-10-21 05:04:51 AM
Doesn't sound a bit more offensive than Modern Family.
 
2013-10-21 05:06:47 AM
Homophobic is a misused term. It implies that the person has an irrational fear of gays. Gays aren't generally feared, as they are effeminate and usually not violent. Maybe some people could be irrationally afraid that the gays could get their aids on you or whatever.

A better term would be homo-hatic or something, implying that the offender just hates gays for some reason.

The show described in TFA isn't homophobic or homo-hatic, it's just really really gay.
 
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