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2013-10-21 03:46:21 PM
Who else misses the concept of voodoo zombies? Nowadays it's all virus this and mutant that.
 
2013-10-21 03:51:08 PM

Haoie: Who else misses the concept of voodoo zombies? Nowadays it's all virus this and mutant that.


Can't it be both?
 
Ant
2013-10-21 04:00:30 PM
Give me a break. As a doctor and scientist, I know one thing for sure: When you're dead, you're dead.

Blashepmy!!!!
 
2013-10-21 04:13:07 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: This is why I save my urine. Collect it in a shallow and allow it to evaporate. There's your nitrates for black powder.



John Harrelson, John Harrelson, you are a wretched creature,
You've added to this war a new and awful feature,
You'd have us think while every man is bound to be a fighter,
The ladies, bless their pretty dears, should save their p** for nitre,

John Harrelson, John Harrelson, where did you get this notion,
To send your barrel around the town to gather up this lotion,
We thought the girls had work enough in making shirts and kissing,
But you have put the pretty dears to patriotic pissing,

John Harrelson, John Harrelson, do pray invent a neater
And somewhat less immodest mode of making your saltpeter,
For "tis an awful idea, John, gunpowdery and cranky,
That when a lady lifts her skirt, she's killing off a Yankee.

They say there is a subtle smell that lingers in the powder;
That when the smoke grows thicker, and the din of the battle louder
That there is found to this compound one serious objection;
A soldier can not sniff it without having an erection.
 
2013-10-21 04:16:20 PM

Target Builder: dittybopper: Another point out cholera, etc.:  We know what it is, what causes it, and how to completely avoid it.

That puts us head and shoulders above our ancestors.  And it's not some arcane prepper knowledge:  Every boy scout who's been on a camping trip knows you boil the water from a stream or lake before you use it.

True, knowing that disease is caused by viruses, bacteria, fungi and parasites puts people today a long way ahead of our ancestors in avoiding them, although the ease with which these illnesses can be avoided would nosedive if you removed sanitation facilities from the world. Well - I suppose it depends on how isolated you and your water supply are from other folk.


Sanitation facilities like a big-ass pot and a fire?
 
2013-10-21 04:17:20 PM

verbaltoxin: And we're talking preppers, who are themselves outliers. I'm detailing all the ironic ways their hilarious plans can go wrong.

What I'm saying is that preppers aren't really any better off than the rest of the world's population during the presumed end of the world.


Well, if it's the "end of the world" then nobody is likely to survive.  Strategic nuclear war.  Extinction-level event meteor impact.  Some virtually unsurvivable cataclysm, then yeah, preppers aren't really much better off.

For a survivable but dangerous calamity such as a major earthquake/hurricane/blizzard or such that's survivable but could be dangerous without preparation then preppers are well off.

You can always come up with some bizarre circumstance that no matter how well you've prepared, you're going to lose against.  Having a good supply of food, water, medical supplies, and weapons & ammunition for emergency preparedness is just common sense, however.
 
2013-10-21 04:50:54 PM
dittybopper:

Sanitation facilities like a big-ass pot and a fire?

I was more thinking if you're somewhere where there are a fair number of people about - all you need is one dumbass to not wash their hands properly and you end up with contaminated door knobs and the like. If you had a fairly isolated setting (homestead, for example) that turns into much less an issue.
 
2013-10-21 05:28:52 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: The gun nut preppers will be the first to die in the zombie plague. They will look to stamp out the plague and end up getting killed. Your best bet is to keep your head down and doors locked. If TWD is to be trusted it would be best to live in a suburb or rural town. Try to be a loner.


Loner? Screw that! I've always said, if the shiat goes down, the people who will thrive would be those who can band together, preserve technology, and rebuild civilization. Maybe the band of people who stumble upon a ammo factory and have the knowledge and resources to utilize it. A group that settles around a power source, such as wind turbans or solar panels, has electricity, which means they could power a water pump, greenhouse, or other things.
 
2013-10-21 06:55:32 PM

Rasraf Mekerk: You can't resuscitate a dead person.


That's only meaningful if you define "dead" in some way other than "formerly alive, now impossible to resuscitate".
 
2013-10-21 06:58:53 PM

Richard C Stanford: Maybe the band of people who stumble upon a ammo factory


www.dillonprecision.com

What an "ammo factory" looks like.  There are tens of thousands of them out there in basements and garages, and some are way more sophisticated.
 
2013-10-21 11:02:10 PM

dittybopper: Mugato: dittybopper: T-Servo: Our brains should be less focused on imaginary zombie hoards

Zombies are a metaphor.  I thought everyone everyone understood that.

It's been used as a metaphor in most of the movies, especially the Romero ones but I suspect it's also a fantasy for survivalist/gun nuts who actually have detailed plans on how to deal with the zombie apocalypse.

It's actually a metaphor for the survivalists also.  It's a way of discussion shooting or otherwise dispatching or avoiding the hoards of people they would expect after a major collapse to come looking for their stuff.

It's a way of talking and thinking about it without actually talking or thinking about shooting living people, which is unpleasant to contemplate.

I thought that was understood.


Oh ditty, I halfway understood that instinctively even before I confirmed it.

I was wondering "Why the hell is all this zombie sh*t being talked about NOW? There's gotta be something more going on. Something's up and it ain't just selling games or movies or books, and I can just about smell it."

I was very unhappy to find my weird-feeling paranoid suspicions were correct.
 
2013-10-21 11:21:33 PM
PS

I am the only one in my gang of townies [that I know of] that has even a barebones minimal supply of survival tools or survival info assembled so far.

I'm really not one to stick my unwanted snout in the others' business.

Why unwanted?

I was told quite emphatically once that I was going to be the one put out the door if there was a nuclear war.

If something nasty happens, I don't think I'm going to be well-disposed toward any of them.
 
2013-10-21 11:34:01 PM

dittybopper: Richard C Stanford: Maybe the band of people who stumble upon a ammo factory

[www.dillonprecision.com image 429x650]

What an "ammo factory" looks like.  There are tens of thousands of them out there in basements and garages, and some are way more sophisticated.


And I suppose you're going to be mining the metals and smelting them, too? Oh, well, you could recycle metals, I suppose. Melt them down in your basement, etc. Sure. That's worth the time and effort to make a bullet.

And the gunpowder? When that runs out you'll need a little lab to make more. It's not complex, but it does require some components you will have to hunt for, most likely, if the world has gone to hell.

You act as if the raw materials spring forth from your doohickey magically. They don't, and that's why modern guns will have limited use after the world falls apart. You may have better luck with muskets, flintlocks, and other black powder weapons.
 
2013-10-21 11:49:33 PM
FTA: The concept of zombies has been around for decades, and their mythology has even been studied by scientists to prove that such an outbreak can never occur.

Well.  Glad we got that cleared up.
 
2013-10-21 11:54:05 PM

Kittypie070: dittybopper: Mugato: dittybopper: T-Servo: Our brains should be less focused on imaginary zombie hoards

Zombies are a metaphor.  I thought everyone everyone understood that.

It's been used as a metaphor in most of the movies, especially the Romero ones but I suspect it's also a fantasy for survivalist/gun nuts who actually have detailed plans on how to deal with the zombie apocalypse.

It's actually a metaphor for the survivalists also.  It's a way of discussion shooting or otherwise dispatching or avoiding the hoards of people they would expect after a major collapse to come looking for their stuff.

It's a way of talking and thinking about it without actually talking or thinking about shooting living people, which is unpleasant to contemplate.

I thought that was understood.

Oh ditty, I halfway understood that instinctively even before I confirmed it.

I was wondering "Why the hell is all this zombie sh*t being talked about NOW? There's gotta be something more going on. Something's up and it ain't just selling games or movies or books, and I can just about smell it."

I was very unhappy to find my weird-feeling paranoid suspicions were correct.



All I know is that the majority of new zombie "fans" in my part of the world are rednecks, and they use it as part of some warped reasoning behind hoarding weapons. These are people who never cared for zombie stories before, and who find Romero, Matheson, and O'Bannon tedious... But they LOOOVE Max Brooks (The Zombie Survival Guide is right next to their other survival books), and all the new movies and merchandise with zombies.

And these guys, along with the fratboy douchebags who deemed World War Z the best story ever, are the ones who co-opted and ruined zombies for those of us who were into them when ghouls served a more cerebral purpose in a story. These days, they don't serve the same purpose. They're just stand-ins for "people you didn't like when they were alive".

The modern zombie stories are, at best, tales that play with our fear of a killer epidemic, and at worst, tales that replace a race of people (or a nation of them) with "monsters" that are okay to kill.

There's a reason most ghoul stories today are about a plague, instead of being unexplained (Romero), the result of science gone mad (O'Bannon), or magical (Raimi, most pre-Romero ghouls). Today, almost every one has the same qualities: Spread by bite, disease carriers, and killed by destroying the brain. They move in varying speeds, but almost never have the ability to climb ladders. They have peculiarly strong jaws (bite through leather, denim, bone), yet exceptionally weak skulls (easily punctured with a sharp object.)

In short, the genre has become awful because it has become cliche and nobody seems to want to break the current rules. Zombie = Plague Army now. I hate it, but that's how it is.

It absolutely sucks that so many hacks have jumped on the zombie bandwagon and watered it down. I feel that this is similar to the shovelware problem that exists with popular gaming systems. Cashing in on a fad is a poor reason to make art.

And make no mistake: Some early zombie flicks are art. Not fine art, of course, but they have a strong arc, real character development, and even a moral and a message. Newer ones? Nope. Same old crap over and over. People surviving the plague/apocalypse with guns, survival plans, and determination. It's all bullshiat, and if there's anything that annoys the shiat out of me now, it's people talking about how they'd "survive the ZA"...  spare us, please.  Nobody cares.

If you want to talk about survivalist crap, then don't mask it in zombies or monsters. Just be honest: You're a miserable sonofabiatch that can't wait for the world to fall apart so you can shoot the neighbors and other people you don't like, and gloat about your obsessive fear-shelter to people you secretly hope will be trapped outside.
 
2013-10-22 02:40:41 AM
Well stated, Zero. Well stated indeedy.
 
2013-10-22 02:52:44 AM
....and if I wanna imagine myself as the villain of the piece committing mass murder, I'm not gonna be putting the killshot down on already-dead shambolic mindless things.

I mean, how boring. Where's the fun? Where's the challenge?

I like playing the asshole sometimes in my brain-movies.

That way I keep my inner basement cats all plump and lazy, and thus I'm nicer on the outside.
 
2013-10-22 08:26:40 AM

ZeroCorpse: And I suppose you're going to be mining the metals and smelting them, too? Oh, well, you could recycle metals, I suppose. Melt them down in your basement, etc. Sure. That's worth the time and effort to make a bullet.


Actually, it is.  Typical car can supply enough lead for many bullets.  Melt down the wheel weights, and crack open the batteries.  Lots of lead there, and lead is easy to melt down and mold.  In fact, I have a mold for one of my guns.

And the gunpowder? When that runs out you'll need a little lab to make more. It's not complex, but it does require some components you will have to hunt for, most likely, if the world has gone to hell.

Black powder works fine.  It's less powerful than smokeless, of course, but millions of people and animals have been killed with black powder, and it's relatively easy to make.

In fact, many still currently used cartridges were originally loaded with black powder.  

You act as if the raw materials spring forth from your doohickey magically. They don't, and that's why modern guns will have limited use after the world falls apart. You may have better luck with muskets, flintlocks, and other black powder weapons.

Well, what raw materials do you need to reload modern ammunition?

You need lead for the bullets, you need some sort propellant, and some way to ignite that propellant.  You also need cases, but those can be reloaded many, many times.

So, the lead is fairly easy to get, just cannibalize cars for it.  Clapped-out car batteries that no longer hold a charge and wheel-weights, along with things like fishing sinkers, are a good source of easily melted metal that can be used for bullets.  Nice thing about dead-soft lead bullets is that they tend to stay together, so you can recover them, remelt them, and re-mold them over and over again.  My dad does this:  In the winter, he builds a mound of snow behind his targets in his back yard, then when the snow melts in the spring, all the bullets he shot are sitting on the ground.  He collects them up, melts them down, and re-molds them.

Plus, you don't *HAVE* to use lead, per se,  You can use lead-free solder, which is available at all hardware stores.   Or, you can use lead-based solder, which is still made for non-plumbing uses.  So long as it's a metal with a low melting point, low enough that they can be melted in a reasonably hot charcoal fire, then you can use it for bullets.

Powder is relatively easy to make:  Save your piss to make the potassium nitrate, make some charcoal, and if it's available, some sulfur (available in gardening stores), but if not, if you aren't going to use it in something like a flintlock where it needs to be really, really sensitive to spark, you can omit the sulfur.  If you need it to be sensitive, you can loot the sulfur from gardening supply shops.  It's used as a fungicide and insecticide.  It will be one of the things people won't be looking for.  A 20 pound bag of it would easily let you make 100 lbs of black powder and if you use 70 grains per shot (or 1/100 of a pound), you'll have enough powder for 10,000 shots.  Plus, you can use it for other things (to repel mites and ticks, for example)

Perhaps the hardest thing to make though, for modern ammunition, are the primers.  However, you can "reload" primers also, so long as you have a supply of compound for them.  Strike anywhere matches are a good supply of those, but of course they'll be popular.  Another good supply of that are caps for cap guns.  You take the compound out of the plastic caps, and put it into your reshaped primer cup.  Put the anvil back in the primer, and you've got a reloaded primer.  And I don't think the caps from cap guns are going to be the first things people loot.

Of course, eventually you'll run out of sources for strike anywhere matches, caps, etc., so if you really, really think civilization is going down the shiatter on a permanent basis, invest in a good flintlock.  You can knap the flints yourself, and while I haven't personally tried it, I believe that the ceramic used in things like toilet bowls and bathroom sinks will make a decent flint.  As described above, you can make the powder, and because there will be plenty of lead around for the taking, you can make bullets.
 
2013-10-22 08:31:15 AM

ZeroCorpse: when ghouls served a more cerebral purpose in a story


I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.

Ghouls *NEVER* served anything like a cerebral purpose.  *EVAR*.

/They served themselves some cerebral meals, however.
//BRAIINNNNNNSSSSS!
 
2013-10-22 01:22:53 PM

Haoie: Who else misses the concept of voodoo zombies? Nowadays it's all virus this and mutant that.


Yeah, but viruses and mutations can't be accused of cultural imperialism. It's barely acceptable to even mention the older variety nowadays, unless you actually practice voudoun.
 
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