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2013-10-20 11:37:35 PM
FTFA: "Hate me all you want, or call me paranoid and misinformed"

You work for Fox News. It's implied.


FTFA: "common theme that is pervasive in American pop culture today: violence"

Do you mean like when the most popular news channel actively pushed us into a war that cost thousands of actual lives?
 
2013-10-20 11:45:32 PM
FTFA: Give me a break. As a doctor and scientist, I know one thing for sure: When you're dead, you're dead.  Our brains should be less focused on imaginary zombie hoards and more focused on harnessing the tools that we need in order to inflict violence on brown people, create imaginary crises by shutting down government, and keep women-folk in the kitchen.

FTFH

/zombies are popular because they explore the dystopian futures my generation has come to expect from pompous boomers like the author and the network he writes for
 
2013-10-20 11:50:02 PM
Hate me all you want, or call me paranoid and misinformed, but there is one common theme that is pervasive in American pop culture today: violence.  Even more specifically, zombie violence.

I love this article.
 
2013-10-20 11:50:41 PM
Zombies are bad because socialism. We're scraping the bottom of the barrel here, Fox News.
 
2013-10-20 11:54:00 PM

T-Servo: FTFA: Give me a break. As a doctor and scientist, I know one thing for sure: When you're dead, you're dead.  Our brains should be less focused on imaginary zombie hoards and more focused on harnessing the tools that we need in order to inflict violence on brown people, create imaginary crises by shutting down government, and keep women-folk in the kitchen.

FTFH

/zombies are popular because they explore the dystopian futures my generation has come to expect from pompous boomers like the author and the network he writes for


I was going to post that quote as well. I find it amuding he has to assure us that he his qualified, as a Doctor (maybe) and a scientist(no way) to rule on the biological plausibility of zombies.
 
2013-10-20 11:54:36 PM
Amusing
 
2013-10-20 11:57:44 PM
Apparently, Mr. Moran doesn't understand the sociological implications of the zombies phenomena.  It's not about the undead butthead, it's about the living.  Zombies are a deadly environmental threat, it's how the living deal with that environmental threat.  The hope and the despair.  Those that go crazy, those that don't.  Those that buck up, and those that fold.  Those that survive, and those that don't.

Almost every zombie movie or TV show addresses these issues and many times it's satire masquerading as horror (thinking of the original Dawn of the Dead).   The most disturbing violence is of the human vs. human kind (the lunacy of killing other humans when they're surrounded by zombies that will kill them)...like the Governor (killing anyone that was a threat) or Shane.
 
2013-10-20 11:58:30 PM

slayer199: Apparently, Mr. Moran doesn't understand the sociological implications of the zombies phenomena.  It's not about the undead butthead, it's about the living.  Zombies are a deadly environmental threat, it's how the living deal with that environmental threat.  The hope and the despair.  Those that go crazy, those that don't.  Those that buck up, and those that fold.  Those that survive, and those that don't.

Almost every zombie movie or TV show addresses these issues and many times it's satire masquerading as horror (thinking of the original Dawn of the Dead).   The most disturbing violence is of the human vs. human kind (the lunacy of killing other humans when they're surrounded by zombies that will kill them)...like the Governor (killing anyone that was a threat) or Shane.


That's Dr. Moran, sir!
 
2013-10-21 12:07:15 AM
Yeah, they're dead. They're... all messed up.
 
2013-10-21 12:20:31 AM
You assume Fox shows something resembling news, subby.
 
2013-10-21 12:24:13 AM
Well, Fox does create most of them
 
2013-10-21 01:13:35 AM
What does the Fox News say?  DERP DERP DERP DERP
 
2013-10-21 01:35:37 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-21 02:06:01 AM
The concept of zombies has been around for decades

Oh so you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
2013-10-21 02:17:47 AM

b2theory: FTFA: "Hate me all you want, or call me paranoid and misinformed"

You work for Fox News. It's implied.


FTFA: "common theme that is pervasive in American pop culture today: violence"

Do you mean like when the most popular news channel actively pushed us into a war that cost thousands of actual lives?


over in 1
 
2013-10-21 02:32:28 AM

T-Servo: FTFA: Give me a break. As a doctor and scientist, I know one thing for sure: When you're dead, you're dead.  Our brains should be less focused on imaginary zombie hoards and more focused on harnessing the tools that we need in order to inflict violence on brown people, create imaginary crises by shutting down government, and keep women-folk in the kitchen.

FTFH

/zombies are popular because they explore the dystopian futures my generation has come to expect from pompous boomers like the author and the network he writes for


http://www.amazon.com/The-Lazarus-Effect-Sam-Parnia/dp/1846043077
except that the length of time that you be dead and then resuscitated is increasing.
 
2013-10-21 03:36:25 AM
He says:

 STOP LIKING THINGS THAT I DON'T LIKE.
 
2013-10-21 04:43:37 AM
With this country heading towards a socialized system of government, in which officials don't want you to think or focus on what is important for your own personal growth, I'm sure they're more than happy to let you obsess over something as stupid as zombies.

Thanks Obama
 
2013-10-21 05:22:09 AM
 Is watching "The Walking Dead" seriously hurting American society?

I would argue 'Yes.'


Holy sh*t, it's been a long time since I read a fourth grade book report.
 
2013-10-21 06:16:48 AM
I hate Dr Manny. He's paranoid and misinformed.
 
2013-10-21 06:17:30 AM

T-Servo: FTFA: Give me a break. As a doctor and scientist, I know one thing for sure: When you're dead, you're dead.  Our brains should be less focused on imaginary zombie hoards and more focused on harnessing the tools that we need in order to inflict violence on brown people, create imaginary crises by shutting down government, and keep women-folk in the kitchen.

FTFH

/zombies are popular because they explore the dystopian futures my generation has come to expect from pompous boomers like the author and the network he writes for


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-21 06:18:40 AM
The Holy Bibble

/the Christian zombie book
//PRAISE ZOMBIE CHRIST!
///make sure to double tap those nails
 
2013-10-21 06:19:00 AM
Wake up and smell the coffee.  Stop obsessing over eating brains, and focus on cultivating your own.

Hey, he's right! [Turns off Fox "News".]
 
2013-10-21 06:22:50 AM
"As a doctor and scientist, I know one thing for sure: When you're dead, you're dead."

...and he's never heard of resuscitating people.
 
2013-10-21 06:22:54 AM
My gawd that was poorly written.....
 
2013-10-21 06:24:49 AM
I'm sure the very first commercials in the break after this screed were for Goldline and Apocalypse Chow.
 
2013-10-21 06:26:40 AM

thamike:  Is watching "The Walking Dead" seriously hurting American society?

I would argue 'Yes.'

Holy sh*t, it's been a long time since I read a fourth grade book report.


Someone got paid to write this. Just let that sink in here.
 
2013-10-21 06:29:30 AM
www.akk.org
 
2013-10-21 06:30:35 AM
Of course zombie entertainment is worrisome to Fox News. Zombie entertainment is traditionally allegorical about individualism, anti-consumerism, etc.
 
2013-10-21 06:31:41 AM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Zombies are bad because socialism. We're scraping the bottom of the barrel here, Fox News.


Fox news needs *something* to go on.  they just got their asses kicked over the shutdown and are flailing around desperately for an issue, any issue, that they can focus on to keep the base motivated and on target for 2014.
 
2013-10-21 06:33:43 AM
Wow, it must be really easy to get a "Dr." in front of your name nowadays.

If you have to start a paragraph with "As a doctor and scientist", you already have an insecurity about your intellect for which you should consult real doctors.

And complaining about video games? Is it 1983 already?
 
2013-10-21 06:34:51 AM

T-Servo: /zombies are popular because they explore the dystopian futures my generation has come to expect from pompous boomers like the author and the network he writes for


Exactly. I think the popularity comes from the metaphor and how it applies to many situations today.

How many banks are "zombie banks" only alive because of government money and bailouts? How many people are "living dead" by working 80 hours a week for peanuts while also perhaps having an unbearable amount of debt? How many countries are plagued with insolvable debt and are basically walking-dead countries? How may countries have fertility rates at below 1.2 births per woman (replacement rate) and are essentially dying?
 
2013-10-21 06:39:15 AM

Weaver95: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Zombies are bad because socialism. We're scraping the bottom of the barrel here, Fox News.

Fox news needs *something* to go on.  they just got their asses kicked over the shutdown and are flailing around desperately for an issue, any issue, that they can focus on to keep the base motivated and on target for 2014.


If this is the issue they've set their sights on, then their brains are even more rotten than suspected.....
 
2013-10-21 06:40:38 AM

No Time To Explain: The Holy Bibble

/the Christian zombie book
//PRAISE ZOMBIE CHRIST!
///make sure to double tap those nails


I am getting dick and tired of everyone calling Jesus a zombie!


He's obviously a divine lich.
 
2013-10-21 06:44:40 AM
I'm sure if it was about hordes of illegal immigrants Fox would find someone to tell them what a great show it was and how it could happen soon and they would be jizzing all over themselves about prepping for it.
 
2013-10-21 06:46:28 AM
The real news is that the Fiscal crisis is ALL OVER.

Time to turn your attention back to things that matter...  like TV shows, celebrities being naughty and/or getting fat, and risqué Halloween costumes.


Takes me back to 9-10-2001 when the lead news story was Brittany's snake-show.
 
2013-10-21 06:46:36 AM
And the article totally ignores the pleas for tolerance and fair treatment in such works as "American Zombie" and "Fido". Totally a one-sided treatment of the subject.
 
2013-10-21 06:49:21 AM
The article is way better if read in the voices of Kent Brockman or Dr. Marvin Monroe.
 
2013-10-21 06:51:52 AM
''Is watching "The Walking Dead" seriously hurting American society?
I would argue 'Yes.' Hate me all you want, or call me paranoid and misinformed, but there is one common theme that is pervasive in American pop culture today: violence."

This coming from a man who works for Fox, the same channel that gave us 'The Following' and many of the goriest and most pervasive shows ever aired on basic TV. Gotta love how people like him, Hannety, and O'Reilly love to tout their 'wholesome' creedo and forget who signs their paychecks.
 
2013-10-21 06:51:59 AM
he must be a blast at parties
 
2013-10-21 06:52:14 AM

WippitGuud: I am getting dick and tired of everyone calling Jesus a zombie!


Was that a freudian schlik?
 
2013-10-21 06:56:28 AM

WippitGuud: I am getting dick and tired


I hear they have pills for that now...
 
2013-10-21 07:00:40 AM
You know, I actually think we would benefit if zombies were real. We'd then have a top predator, and be forced to adapt and survive. It would also mean that the idiotic white trash, panty knotting snowflakes, and hoverround riding hambeasts would be removed from the gene pool.
I think a real zombie apocalypse would be more like "Shaun of the Dead". An initial apocalyptic panic, followed by society adapting.
 
2013-10-21 07:03:11 AM
FTA: This obsession with the undead in television and other media is quite puzzling.

Is it all the puzzling that people like zombie films for the simple reason that they can look at their lousy lives and think, "My life is pretty bad now but, hey, at least I don't have to worry about zombies"? And then go on and watch shows and movies where people do.
 
2013-10-21 07:06:06 AM

WippitGuud: I am getting dick and tired of everyone calling Jesus a zombie!


If I'd make a zombie movie, it would end with Jesus appearing on the scene, being mighty pissed about everyone who went around massacring the people he just miraculously revived.
 
2013-10-21 07:06:30 AM
i28.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-21 07:06:46 AM

T-Servo: /zombies are popular because they explore the dystopian futures my generation has come to expect from pompous boomers like the author and the network he writes for


Zombies in American popular culture appeared in the 1950s, and were (one of many) metaphors for Communism and the impending threat of a Communist invasion.  So the current obsession with zombies is simply yet another Cold War throwback.
 
2013-10-21 07:11:10 AM

Richard C Stanford: You know, I actually think we would benefit if zombies were real. We'd then have a top predator, and be forced to adapt and survive. It would also mean that the idiotic white trash, panty knotting snowflakes, and hoverround riding hambeasts would be removed from the gene pool.
I think a real zombie apocalypse would be more like "Shaun of the Dead". An initial apocalyptic panic, followed by society adapting.


Nice try, but next thing you know, Acorn would be signing them up to vote and bussing them to the polls and the Right Honorable Reverand Al Sharpton would have them classified as a protected class.

The last thing we need is yet another group that people avoid on the streets because they are prone to violence.
 
2013-10-21 07:14:49 AM

Dwight_Yeast: T-Servo: /zombies are popular because they explore the dystopian futures my generation has come to expect from pompous boomers like the author and the network he writes for

Zombies in American popular culture appeared in the 1950s, and were (one of many) metaphors for Communism and the impending threat of a Communist invasion.  So the current obsession with zombies is simply yet another Cold War throwback.


Themes evolve more than than that. Zombies have been metaphors for a lot of different things over the years. No one thinks about the Cold War anymore.
 
2013-10-21 07:15:12 AM

jaybeezey: The last thing we need is yet another group that people avoid on the streets because they are prone to violence.


That's discriminative towards police officers!
 
2013-10-21 07:15:30 AM
We're not hating, Dr. Faux.

We're pointing and laughing.
 
2013-10-21 07:25:08 AM

T-Servo: Our brains should be less focused on imaginary zombie hoards


Zombies are a metaphor.  I thought everyone everyone understood that.
 
2013-10-21 07:27:26 AM

T-Servo: FTFA: Give me a break. As a doctor and scientist, I know one thing for sure: When you're dead, you're dead.  Our brains should be less focused on imaginary zombie hoards and more focused on harnessing the tools that we need in order to inflict violence on brown people, create imaginary crises by shutting down government, and keep women-folk in the kitchen.

FTFH

/zombies are popular because they explore the dystopian futures my generation has come to expect from pompous boomers like the author and the network he writes for


I like that. Can I use it?
 
2013-10-21 07:31:19 AM

dittybopper: T-Servo: Our brains should be less focused on imaginary zombie hoards

Zombies are a metaphor.  I thought everyone everyone understood that.


It's been used as a metaphor in most of the movies, especially the Romero ones but I suspect it's also a fantasy for survivalist/gun nuts who actually have detailed plans on how to deal with the zombie apocalypse.
 
2013-10-21 07:31:26 AM

T-Servo: /zombies are popular because they explore the dystopian futures my generation has come to expect from pompous boomers like the author and the network he writes for


Also a zombie-infested dystopia is becoming more appealing than actually living in the modern world.

Back to basics, small groups, survival. Life is very real.
 
2013-10-21 07:37:12 AM

Mugato: dittybopper: T-Servo: Our brains should be less focused on imaginary zombie hoards

Zombies are a metaphor.  I thought everyone everyone understood that.

It's been used as a metaphor in most of the movies, especially the Romero ones but I suspect it's also a fantasy for survivalist/gun nuts who actually have detailed plans on how to deal with the zombie apocalypse.


There are such groups. Look up "zombie squad" sometime.
 
2013-10-21 07:38:22 AM

Gothnet: Also a zombie-infested dystopia is becoming more appealing than actually living in the modern world.

Back to basics, small groups, survival. Life is very real.


Yeah but in most zombie stories, no one gets along. Except Maggie and Short Round. And Daryl and Jamie Lee Curtis.
 
2013-10-21 07:42:05 AM
jaybeezey:
Nice try, but next thing you know, Acorn would be signing them up to vote and bussing them to the polls and the Right Honorable Reverand Al Sharpton would have them classified as a protected class.

Oh have I got the show for you.  Masters of Horror episode titled "Homecoming".  Not great, but decent.  Bonus for insane, thinly-disguised not-Ann-Coulter character.
 
2013-10-21 07:43:49 AM
Spengler, one of the few intelligent conservatives today, makes this point:

Sometime in 2011 the total number of film plots with the keyword "zombie" passed the number of film plots with the keyword "cowboy," according to the Internet Movie Database. One might argue that the zombie has become the great American archetype of the postmodern era, as the cowboy was the American archetype a century ago. With the release of Brad Pitt's $200 million zombie epic what used to be the stuff of low-budget shockers has entered the American cultural mainstream. Therein lies a lesson. ...

Dying cultures are the living dead. Half of the world's 6,000 languages will disappear by the end of this century. They are zombie cultures. But we Americans are gestating a zombie culture inside what used to be a "country with the soul of a church," as G.K. Chesterton put it. The hedonistic narcissism that took over popular culture during the 1960s produced a spiritual deadening like nothing in American history. That's why we are so fascinated with zombies. We identify with them.


I'd also add my thoughts earlier in the thread about zombie banks, vampires, and such.
 
2013-10-21 07:45:43 AM
That the hugely successful zombie show is on a competitor's network has nothing, nothing at all to do with publishing a paranoid, childish scribble attempting to claim that it's harmful to 'murrica.
 
2013-10-21 07:48:28 AM
Thanks for the Spengler link. I don't agree with everything he says in it so far but it's a really interesting point of view on the whole zombie thing.

Helps that he's a good writer.
 
2013-10-21 07:52:46 AM

Weaver95: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Zombies are bad because socialism. We're scraping the bottom of the barrel here, Fox News.

Fox news needs *something* to go on.  they just got their asses kicked over the shutdown and are flailing around desperately for an issue, any issue, that they can focus on to keep the base motivated and on target for 2014.


The teabaggers that email me are back to bumper stickers blaming welfare.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-21 07:52:47 AM

verbaltoxin: T-Servo: FTFA: Give me a break. As a doctor and scientist, I know one thing for sure: When you're dead, you're dead.  Our brains should be less focused on imaginary zombie hoards and more focused on harnessing the tools that we need in order to inflict violence on brown people, create imaginary crises by shutting down government, and keep women-folk in the kitchen.

FTFH

/zombies are popular because they explore the dystopian futures my generation has come to expect from pompous boomers like the author and the network he writes for

I like that. Can I use it?


By all means.
 
2013-10-21 07:53:42 AM

Mugato: dittybopper: T-Servo: Our brains should be less focused on imaginary zombie hoards

Zombies are a metaphor.  I thought everyone everyone understood that.

It's been used as a metaphor in most of the movies, especially the Romero ones but I suspect it's also a fantasy for survivalist/gun nuts who actually have detailed plans on how to deal with the zombie apocalypse.


It's actually a metaphor for the survivalists also.  It's a way of discussion shooting or otherwise dispatching or avoiding the hoards of people they would expect after a major collapse to come looking for their stuff.

It's a way of talking and thinking about it without actually talking or thinking about shooting living people, which is unpleasant to contemplate.

I thought that was understood.
 
2013-10-21 07:55:35 AM
If you play State of Decay on the PC, get the George Romero Mod. It lets you customize the game to your own view of a zombie apocalypse.
http://forums.undeadlabs.com/showthread.php?33990-George-Romero-Mod-
 
2013-10-21 07:55:48 AM
www.biography.com

Just wondering if before they wrote this, did anyone at Fox see where this guy was at?
 
2013-10-21 07:57:25 AM
My term for zombies is 'children over the age of 18'.

You know, Obama voters.
 
2013-10-21 08:00:59 AM

Dwight_Yeast: T-Servo: /zombies are popular because they explore the dystopian futures my generation has come to expect from pompous boomers like the author and the network he writes for

Zombies in American popular culture appeared in the 1950s, and were (one of many) metaphors for Communism and the impending threat of a Communist invasion.  So the current obsession with zombies is simply yet another Cold War throwback.


No, back then they were a metaphor for Communism.

Today, they are a way for people to discuss killing people without being so gauche as to discuss killing living, breathing people.  They are a metaphor, at least among survivalist circles, for the people who didn't prepare for the massive collapse of society, and who would roam around looking for food, etc., and who would be willing to take it by force if necessary.

/I'd probably be one of the hordes.
 
2013-10-21 08:01:21 AM

WippitGuud: No Time To Explain: The Holy Bibble

/the Christian zombie book
//PRAISE ZOMBIE CHRIST!
///make sure to double tap those nails

I am getting dick and tired of everyone calling Jesus a zombie!


He's obviously a divine lich.


blogs.nazarene.org
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-21 08:01:42 AM
global.fncstatic.com

I'll tell you what IS hurting our society... constantly listening to dumbass "experts".
 
2013-10-21 08:01:48 AM
sed 's/avoiding the hoards/avoiding the hordes/g'
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-21 08:03:06 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Yeah, they're dead. They're... all messed up.


The local radio station when I grew up used this clip all the time...
 
2013-10-21 08:04:06 AM
Zombies WATCH Foxnews.com
 
2013-10-21 08:05:14 AM

Ghryswald: "As a doctor and scientist, I know one thing for sure: When you're dead, you're dead."

...and he's never heard of resuscitating people.


You can potentially resuscitate a person whose heart has stopped or gone into a fatal rhythm. You can't resuscitate a dead person. When you're dead, you're dead.
 
2013-10-21 08:06:30 AM

randomjsa: My term for zombies is 'children over the age of 18'.

You know, Obama voters.


LOL, that was lame, even for you.
 
2013-10-21 08:07:42 AM
You could say similar things about lots of stuff that we do. "Man, if we just put the same time and money that we put into college football into looking for a cure to cancer, we'd have it figured out in no time!" You'd be wrong, but on a simple level, it makes sense. We _do_ spend a lot of time and money on frivolous activities, but that is our choice and life would be pointless otherwise, IMHO.
 
2013-10-21 08:07:46 AM
"I'm going to write an article that is intentionally unpopular just to bring attention to myself."
 
2013-10-21 08:08:24 AM

Mugato: randomjsa: My term for zombies is 'children over the age of 18'.

You know, Obama voters.

LOL, that was lame, even for you.


He's been phoning it in lately.
 
2013-10-21 08:10:09 AM
no fox news and brainless reporting is hurting america.
 
2013-10-21 08:10:42 AM
I thought zombies watched Leno.
 
2013-10-21 08:13:39 AM

Rasraf Mekerk: Ghryswald: "As a doctor and scientist, I know one thing for sure: When you're dead, you're dead."

...and he's never heard of resuscitating people.

You can potentially resuscitate a person whose heart has stopped or gone into a fatal rhythm. You can't resuscitate a dead person. When you're dead, you're dead.


I'm so disillusioned that the biological science behind a movie monster has been debunked. Please don't ruin the Merman for me.
 
2013-10-21 08:15:14 AM
"Hate me all you want, or call me paranoid and misinformed"

Translated into non-Teatard speak: "I don't want you to like me, just pay attention to meee!!!"
 
2013-10-21 08:15:40 AM

mokinokaro: Thanks for the Spengler link. I don't agree with everything he says in it so far but it's a really interesting point of view on the whole zombie thing.

Helps that he's a good writer.


Welcome. Here's another link to a longer essay of this:

We have dismissed the Jewish and Christian hope of eternal life as superstition offensive to reason, but instead, we find ourselves trapped in a recurring nightmare. We know that we will die, but (as Woody Allen said) we don't want to be there when it happens. We act as if exercise, antioxidants and Botox will keep the reaper away, but we know that our flesh one day must putrefy nonetheless.The more we try to ignore death, the more it fascinates us. The more we tell ourselves that mortality doesn't apply to us, the more it surrounds us. And the more we try to fight off the fear, the more we feel like the beleaguered survivors resisting the zombie herd.
 
2013-10-21 08:17:43 AM
Call me paranoid but isn't this exactly what a state sponsored media source would be telling us before the big Z Day, i.e. stay calm folks there's no such thing as zombies, no need to panic etc? I knew this day would come! Buy guns, barricade yourselves in and shoot any loved one coughing or acting in any other way suspiciously!
 
2013-10-21 08:22:55 AM
Zombies are a guilt-free way we can enact our little perverse violence fantasies.  It's in the same vein as pulling the wings off of flies.  We can fantasize about mass murder with powerful weapons and be totally fine with it since it's dreaming about killing zombies.
 
2013-10-21 08:28:29 AM
When it's reached the point that Mythbusters wastes an entire hour trying to "test" zombie myths, then yeah, zombies are hurting America.
 
2013-10-21 08:29:40 AM
I'm sick of zombies, but I'm sicker of Fox News doing the "stuff we don't like isn't just crap, it's BAD FOR AMERICA" bit. I mean, most zombie fiction writers I wouldn't feel inclined to smack if we met. It's just no contest.
 
2013-10-21 08:30:39 AM
CSB time!

I once read a paper that claimed that zombies were popular when Democrats were in (or about to take) power, while vampires were popular when they were out of (or about to lose) power. Zombies, the paper claimed, had come to reflect popular fear of unthinking hordes: a sign that the rhetoric of stereotypical Democrats had captured the popular imagination. Vampires, by contrast, reflect popular fear of oversexed parasites, and if that's not thinking like a stereotypical Republican, I don't know what is.

I don't know if I believe this or not, but it's an interesting theory. I'm also forced to wonder how telling it is that the zombie mythos has been evolving and innovating as of late, while the latest vampire craze was farking Twilight.
 
2013-10-21 08:31:27 AM

geoduck42: When it's reached the point that Mythbusters wastes an entire hour trying to "test" zombie myths, then yeah, zombies are hurting America.


Testing which is a better weapon and can a horde take down the barn door were interesting.
 
2013-10-21 08:33:33 AM

No Such Agency: jaybeezey:
Nice try, but next thing you know, Acorn would be signing them up to vote and bussing them to the polls and the Right Honorable Reverand Al Sharpton would have them classified as a protected class.

Oh have I got the show for you.  Masters of Horror episode titled "Homecoming".  Not great, but decent.  Bonus for insane, thinly-disguised not-Ann-Coulter character.


When you consider that episode aired in 2005 it's awesomely profound.
 
2013-10-21 08:33:50 AM
OK, OK
I typed dick and tired. I get it.

Fox News reporters are dicks, so the comment is still valid.

/dick
 
2013-10-21 08:34:16 AM

b2theory: T-Servo: FTFA: Give me a break. As a doctor and scientist, I know one thing for sure: When you're dead, you're dead.  Our brains should be less focused on imaginary zombie hoards and more focused on harnessing the tools that we need in order to inflict violence on brown people, create imaginary crises by shutting down government, and keep women-folk in the kitchen.

FTFH

/zombies are popular because they explore the dystopian futures my generation has come to expect from pompous boomers like the author and the network he writes for

I was going to post that quote as well. I find it amuding he has to assure us that he his qualified, as a Doctor (maybe) and a scientist(no way) to rule on the biological plausibility of zombies.


"Zombie hoards?" I thought all you doctors went to college?
 
2013-10-21 08:37:54 AM

LeGnome: "Zombie hoards?" I thought all you doctors went to college?


Subliminal messaging. Remember, zombies are supposed to reflect fear of Republicans, who are also thought to hoard things (especially money) obsessively. This guy is clearly trying to subvert that fear and turn it around to reflect Democrat, or, at least, the people that a society ruled by Democrat-like thinking ultimately produces. So he's throwing in an admonition to "not fear hoards," i.e. Republican bank accounts, while making you think it's just about movie zombies. Clever ploy, really.
 
2013-10-21 08:39:50 AM
The idea of a zombie-infested world inspires fantasies of monsters possessed by an uncontrollable rage to kill, and viewers get a thrill imagining what it would be like to participate in this new world order.

Well if the party your channel you are a biatch for would end up having their way then we would likely live in some dystopian future controlled by ruling local warlords, so why not practice or have thought experiments in advance just in case?
 
2013-10-21 08:41:20 AM
Fox New should like zombies. They hate black men just like Fox News. We all know on TWD they die quicker then a fruit fly
 
2013-10-21 08:45:22 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Fox New should like zombies. They hate black men just like Fox News. We all know on TWD they die quicker then a fruit fly


They've had three black men on TWD for two weeks. I believe that's a record. However next week it's two black men,a black woman and Darryl in a car. Four dog better check and see if he's wearing a red shirt.
 
2013-10-21 08:47:01 AM
FOX News, the TV station that specializes in getting people to be in obsessive fear of imaginary bogeymen (Gay people somehow threatening your marriage by being able to get married themselves, Muslim terrorists, brown people in general, ect.) think that people being worried over something that they aren't promoting as the fear agenda is what is hurting American?

Methinks they are trying to distract us.
 
2013-10-21 08:49:26 AM

LeGnome: "Zombie hoards?"


www.candywarehouse.com
 
2013-10-21 08:51:43 AM
there is one common theme that is pervasive in American pop culture today: violence.

Violence, in The Walking Dead's case, rooted entirely in fantasy given that Zombies don't actually exist. Meanwhile, the Fox network is proud to offer The Following, 24, Gang Related, Prison Break...
 
2013-10-21 08:51:46 AM

Millennium: while the latest vampire craze was farking Twilight.


You don't need a research paper to understand the appeal of Twilight. Vampires are sexy. Teenage vampires bring in the tween girls. The fact that he's actually 100 years old and trolls high schools for tail is immaterial.
 
2013-10-21 08:52:08 AM
Is foxnews butthurt hurting America? It's not news, it's fark.com
 
2013-10-21 08:54:12 AM
Zombies, Obamabots, same thing.
 
2013-10-21 08:54:24 AM
With this country heading towards a socialized system of government, in which officials don't want you to think or focus on what is important for your own personal growth, I'm sure they're more than happy to let you obsess over something as stupid as zombies.

And in turn, you ultimately become the zombie.


Jeez... did he have to write an entire pseudo-intellectual critique of zombies just to get to his little "OMG SOSHALISMZ BAD!" zinger?
 
2013-10-21 08:55:12 AM

Mugato: You don't need a research paper to understand the appeal of Twilight. Vampires are sexy. Teenage vampires bring in the tween girls. The fact that he's actually 100 years old and trolls high schools for tail is immaterial.


static.comicvine.com

And stolen.

/Buffy fan
 
2013-10-21 08:56:35 AM

AiryAnne: Is foxnews butthurt hurting America? It's not news, it's fark.com


No one can ever ridicule anything conservative without some conservative mistaking it for being "butthurt".
 
2013-10-21 08:59:01 AM
So this "doctor" missed has never noticed the waves of various monsters being popular throughout history (Frankenstein's  Monster, Dracula, Werewolves, Zombies, etc) until now. And now, all the sudden, now that HE has noticed he thinks it's a bad influence?

What's his next article?  "Get off of my lawn and pull up your pants!" ?
 
2013-10-21 08:59:13 AM
What does the Fox say? Nothing worthwhile.
 
2013-10-21 09:01:09 AM
It's the bloody end of the world plus 2 years. How the hell do they still have batteries for flashlights in that prison?
 
2013-10-21 09:04:58 AM

SpectroBoy: So this "doctor" missed has never noticed the waves of various monsters being popular throughout history (Frankenstein's  Monster, Dracula, Werewolves, Zombies, etc) until now. And now, all the sudden, now that HE has noticed he thinks it's a bad influence?

What's his next article?  "Get off of my lawn and pull up your pants!" ?


Seriously.  Vampires have been pervasive in tv and movies since forever.

Regarding his general comment about violence I was watching Red on network tv but they were showing most of the violence full bore.  In one scene, I think it was the one were John Malkovich blows up the young agent, somebody says "God Damnit" but they bleeped it to "gosh darn" and I started laughing.  Seriously, like two dozen people just were horrifically slaughtered but you are going to censor the most mundane of curses?  If you want to see where the problem lies with violence start right there.
 
2013-10-21 09:05:25 AM

SpectroBoy: So this "doctor" missed has never noticed the waves of various monsters being popular throughout history (Frankenstein's  Monster, Dracula, Werewolves, Zombies, etc) until now. And now, all the sudden, now that HE has noticed he thinks it's a bad influence?

What's his next article?  "Get off of my lawn and pull up your pants!" ?


According to his reasoning, the acceptance of books like Dracula and Frankenstein were due to the inexorable slide toward socialism that was being experienced in 19th century Victorian England.
 
2013-10-21 09:06:28 AM

doglover: It's the bloody end of the world plus 2 years. How the hell do they still have batteries for flashlights in that prison?


Well they've still been doing supply runs also I assume.  The supermarket in episode one was relatively untouched.
 
2013-10-21 09:11:40 AM

Carn: doglover: It's the bloody end of the world plus 2 years. How the hell do they still have batteries for flashlights in that prison?

Well they've still been doing supply runs also I assume.  The supermarket in episode one was relatively untouched.


Batteries are heavy and flashlights suck actually. The good ones eat batteries like candy and the crap ones illuminate for shiat.

Not only that, but batteries' acid eats them out after a few years inactive.

Candle lanterns on the other hand run on wax and cotton. The illuminate better indoors, are lighter, and never go bad on the shelf.

Oil and gas lamps also kick flashlights' ass in situations like that. Torches and braziers too.
 
2013-10-21 09:12:36 AM

b2theory: Do you mean like when the most popular news channel actively pushed us into a war that cost thousands of actual lives?


Not to sound all, "Both sides are bad, so vote Fox News," but virtually all the mainstream press pushed us into that war.
 
2013-10-21 09:12:43 AM

doglover: Carn: doglover: It's the bloody end of the world plus 2 years. How the hell do they still have batteries for flashlights in that prison?

Well they've still been doing supply runs also I assume.  The supermarket in episode one was relatively untouched.

Batteries are heavy and flashlights suck actually. The good ones eat batteries like candy and the crap ones illuminate for shiat.

Not only that, but batteries' acid eats them out after a few years inactive.

Candle lanterns on the other hand run on wax and cotton. The illuminate better indoors, are lighter, and never go bad on the shelf.

Oil and gas lamps also kick flashlights' ass in situations like that. Torches and braziers too.


We need to get a message to Rick ASAP.
 
2013-10-21 09:12:45 AM

Carn: doglover: It's the bloody end of the world plus 2 years. How the hell do they still have batteries for flashlights in that prison?

Well they've still been doing supply runs also I assume.  The supermarket in episode one was relatively untouched.


Assuming that the batteries are like the ones in a real store, then they would have the "guaranteed until XX/XX/XXXX date on the unopened packages.

/what i wondered after last nights episode is if they are doing all of these supply runs, and they have that slight problem at the outer fence, then why don't they get the stuff together to make some home made napalm and have a zombie barbecue?
 
2013-10-21 09:15:21 AM

Carn: doglover: Carn: doglover: It's the bloody end of the world plus 2 years. How the hell do they still have batteries for flashlights in that prison?

Well they've still been doing supply runs also I assume.  The supermarket in episode one was relatively untouched.

Batteries are heavy and flashlights suck actually. The good ones eat batteries like candy and the crap ones illuminate for shiat.

Not only that, but batteries' acid eats them out after a few years inactive.

Candle lanterns on the other hand run on wax and cotton. The illuminate better indoors, are lighter, and never go bad on the shelf.

Oil and gas lamps also kick flashlights' ass in situations like that. Torches and braziers too.

We need to get a message to Rick ASAP.


With three candles a night, they could have ambient light in the whole cell block. Not much, but enough.

Plus, you can make more candles. Render up the fat from the zombie.
 
2013-10-21 09:15:29 AM

Rasraf Mekerk: Ghryswald: "As a doctor and scientist, I know one thing for sure: When you're dead, you're dead."

...and he's never heard of resuscitating people.

You can potentially resuscitate a person whose heart has stopped or gone into a fatal rhythm. You can't resuscitate a dead person. When you're dead, you're dead.


What if they are only mostly dead?
 
2013-10-21 09:15:51 AM

doglover: Not only that, but batteries' acid eats them out after a few years inactive.


Depends on the battery, lithium ions have a very surprising shelf life when not in use. Upwards of 15 years depending on conditions stored in.
 
2013-10-21 09:17:27 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: doglover: Not only that, but batteries' acid eats them out after a few years inactive.

Depends on the battery, lithium ions have a very surprising shelf life when not in use. Upwards of 15 years depending on conditions stored in.


Really? fark yeah get me some of those.

Still prefer fire.
 
2013-10-21 09:17:27 AM
In other news, pussy "author" doesn't have comments enabled to avoid hurt feelings...

/Kiss my shiny metal ass Dr. Alvarez
 
2013-10-21 09:19:22 AM
There is far too much sand in his vagina. He should ask O'Reilly if he can borrow his bag of douche for cleansing purposes.
 
2013-10-21 09:22:51 AM

doglover: Really? fark yeah get me some of those.

Still prefer fire.


Of course ultimately fire will be the default option, but in a pinch batteries could be kept and stored as a fire starter. Just two copper wires crossed and a single AA will generate enough heat to light your basic brush.
 
2013-10-21 09:23:56 AM

Carn: doglover: It's the bloody end of the world plus 2 years. How the hell do they still have batteries for flashlights in that prison?

Well they've still been doing supply runs also I assume.  The supermarket in episode one was relatively untouched.


Plus, not all batteries are "single use".  We've largely switched over to rechargeable batteries at the bopper homestead, simply because they are much, much cheaper in the long run.
 
2013-10-21 09:24:32 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Just two copper wires crossed and a single AA will generate enough heat to light your basic brush.


Yeah, but there's 1000 ways to do that and no good reason to carry heavy ass batteries.
 
2013-10-21 09:32:06 AM

dittybopper: Plus, not all batteries are "single use". We've largely switched over to rechargeable batteries at the bopper homestead, simply because they are much, much cheaper in the long run.


Fun fact most people do not realize. Depending on the rechargeable battery chosen, you may actually end up cheating yourself out in the long run. Most of the recharge batteries once used actually no matter what you do with them can lose up to 1% of effectiveness every day even when not in use. They are essentially ticking time bombs.

doglover: Yeah, but there's 1000 ways to do that and no good reason to carry heavy ass batteries.


Meh, I could easily see carrying a AA and say a model rocket launcher control to easily start fires when needed especially since it would make lighting them in say wet conditions easier as well. I'd prolly tear the motor out of a blender as well, and carry a lantern battery in the event I couldn't get my hands on a drill or dremel tool.

That and of course a hand axe. In fact the hand axe would be my first choice next to the fire starter. There's a reason the axe is still in use all these thousands of years. Most useful tool man has created to date, period.
 
2013-10-21 09:34:52 AM
 
2013-10-21 09:36:39 AM
Listen, why NOT continue to use up all the batteries until they stop working? No point in saving them and they are convenient.
 
2013-10-21 09:38:11 AM
I can't tell if this is supposed to be satire or not.
 
2013-10-21 09:38:33 AM

Mugato: Rasraf Mekerk: Ghryswald: "As a doctor and scientist, I know one thing for sure: When you're dead, you're dead."

...and he's never heard of resuscitating people.

You can potentially resuscitate a person whose heart has stopped or gone into a fatal rhythm. You can't resuscitate a dead person. When you're dead, you're dead.

I'm so disillusioned that the biological science behind a movie monster has been debunked. Please don't ruin the Merman for me.

media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-21 09:42:12 AM

doglover: LeGnome: "Zombie hoards?"

[www.candywarehouse.com image 600x600]


OOOOOOoooooooh. Thoses are Half off.
 
2013-10-21 09:42:41 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Fun fact most people do not realize. Depending on the rechargeable battery chosen, you may actually end up cheating yourself out in the long run. Most of the recharge batteries once used actually no matter what you do with them can lose up to 1% of effectiveness every day even when not in use. They are essentially ticking time bombs.


Well, not *REALLY*.

I have yet to see that happen.

Pack of 4 AA NiMH rechargeables costs about $10.  The *CHEAPEST* single-use Alkalines I've seen were about $2 for 4 at the dollar store (2 packs of 2, at $1 a pack).  So if you get just 5 charge-discharge cycles out of the NiMH batteries, you've broken even for the cheapest batteries.  Everything past that is savings.

I use them because I'm in the habit of throwing the littlebopper and/or distaffbopper an FRS radio whenever we go somewhere that we are likely to need to split up, and that way we can all stay in contact.  Plus, we use them for the littlebopper's XBOX360 controllers, and for the flashlights and battery operated lanterns around the house.

/Lanterns are for power outages, and walking at night.
//Road has no sidewalks, and a bad corner, so a light while walking is a good thing.
 
2013-10-21 09:45:59 AM
zombiecake.com
 
2013-10-21 09:47:38 AM
FTA: With this country heading towards a socialized system of government, in which officials don't want you to think or focus on what is important for your own personal growth, I'm sure they're more than happy to let you obsess over something as stupid as zombies.


So us pretending we are heading for the end times is creating problems, like us ignoring the Tea Party and their belief in the rapture?
 
2013-10-21 09:50:19 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: That and of course a hand axe. In fact the hand axe would be my first choice next to the fire starter.


You wanna sound tough and wild, but you can't even start a fire without a model rocket engine starter? A bic lighter is lighter and lasts 1000 times longer with the same heat.
 
2013-10-21 09:51:54 AM

dittybopper: Well, not *REALLY*.

I have yet to see that happen.


I said up to 1%, in reality it's much smaller. But the truth is once you use them and recharge them, its a slow decline over time and the battery will lose to the rule of Entropy. Same thing for cell phone batteries. The amount lost largely depends on how they are used and how they are charged.

They are getting better using newer combinations of electrolytic fluids, but the fact is still the same. They're dead men once you open them up and use them once.
 
2013-10-21 09:53:19 AM

doglover: You wanna sound tough and wild, but you can't even start a fire without a model rocket engine starter? A bic lighter is lighter and lasts 1000 times longer with the same heat.


No, I want the easy button. Of course one could start a fire with a bic light. But if available why not have it in your sack?
 
2013-10-21 09:55:35 AM
Fantasy booking the end of civilization......
 
2013-10-21 09:59:00 AM

dittybopper: Carn: doglover: It's the bloody end of the world plus 2 years. How the hell do they still have batteries for flashlights in that prison?

Well they've still been doing supply runs also I assume.  The supermarket in episode one was relatively untouched.

Plus, not all batteries are "single use".  We've largely switched over to rechargeable batteries at the bopper homestead, simply because they are much, much cheaper in the long run.


True, maybe they're using those hand crank ones.
 
2013-10-21 09:59:24 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Yeah, they're dead. They're... all messed up.


There's a black one, shoot it quick.
 
2013-10-21 10:01:39 AM
Oh did someone at Fox just read http://www.cracked.com/article_19402_6-mind-blowing-ways-zombies-vampi res-explain-america.html ?

I suppose it proves definitively that Obama's policies lean conservative.
 
2013-10-21 10:05:25 AM
"As a doctor and scientist"

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-21 10:07:50 AM

Carn: dittybopper: Carn: doglover: It's the bloody end of the world plus 2 years. How the hell do they still have batteries for flashlights in that prison?

Well they've still been doing supply runs also I assume.  The supermarket in episode one was relatively untouched.

Plus, not all batteries are "single use".  We've largely switched over to rechargeable batteries at the bopper homestead, simply because they are much, much cheaper in the long run.

True, maybe they're using those hand crank ones.


Or even a solar recharger.
 
2013-10-21 10:07:57 AM

Dwight_Yeast: T-Servo: /zombies are popular because they explore the dystopian futures my generation has come to expect from pompous boomers like the author and the network he writes for

Zombies in American popular culture appeared in the 1950s, and were (one of many) metaphors for Communism and the impending threat of a Communist invasion.  So the current obsession with zombies is simply yet another Cold War throwback.


Zombies turned from mindless automatons of the "White Zombie" era to the "ravenous hordes of the undead" when "I Am Legend" was published. The idea of zombies instead of vampires taking over the world was Corman's way of using Richard Matheson's work without having to pay him off/get sued by him.
 
2013-10-21 10:09:04 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: But if available why not have it in your sack?


Because it's dead weight.

/not the axe, the model rocket starter. That's a dozen grams you can replace with nothing at all and be far better off.
 
2013-10-21 10:10:02 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: dittybopper: Well, not *REALLY*.

I have yet to see that happen.

I said up to 1%, in reality it's much smaller. But the truth is once you use them and recharge them, its a slow decline over time and the battery will lose to the rule of Entropy. Same thing for cell phone batteries. The amount lost largely depends on how they are used and how they are charged.

They are getting better using newer combinations of electrolytic fluids, but the fact is still the same. They're dead men once you open them up and use them once.


Obviously they won't last forever.  I've had a few batteries that would no longer hold a charge after a ton of charge/recharge cycles, but I know I'm averaging something north of at *LEAST* 50 cycles per battery, which puts them at 1/10th the cost of even the cheapest alkalines.
 
2013-10-21 10:12:41 AM

doglover: IdBeCrazyIf: But if available why not have it in your sack?

Because it's dead weight.

/not the axe, the model rocket starter. That's a dozen grams you can replace with nothing at all and be far better off.


Yep.  And I would use steel wool instead of ignitors.

An even better solution is to get one of those piezoelectric ignitors for things like gas grills.  They weigh almost nothing, and never need to be recharged, and give a decent spark, enough to light tinder.
 
2013-10-21 10:14:10 AM

dittybopper: Obviously they won't last forever. I've had a few batteries that would no longer hold a charge after a ton of charge/recharge cycles, but I know I'm averaging something north of at *LEAST* 50 cycles per battery, which puts them at 1/10th the cost of even the cheapest alkalines.


That sounds pretty average. Every now and then you get hosed though, I got a pack of rechargeable C's for my sons RC car recently and he used them so I charged them up. Put them back in and the 4 hours of use he got out of them the first time, down to 2. Recharge them again, use is down to 1 hour.

That's what I get for buying off brand though.

doglover: /not the axe, the model rocket starter. That's a dozen grams you can replace with nothing at all and be far better off.


Also has other applications in a post apocalyptic world. Light up a lantern asap, quick test electrical devices to see if they are worth stripping down, etc..So yeah, why wouldn't you want a multi use device?
 
2013-10-21 10:17:13 AM
Oh, Come on Fox... There will always be some apocalyptic thing that people obsess about, but that is PART of our society. What is hurting our society is your role in our media, then again, your news programming is sometimes funnier to watch than Comedy Central. I mean, come on.. Twilight did more harm to our society than zombies could ever do.
 
2013-10-21 10:17:20 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: why wouldn't you want a multi use device?


Model rocket starters AREN'T multi-use, and without Tepco or similar neither are batteries.

Hence the problem.
 
2013-10-21 10:22:37 AM
I also think part of the apocalyptic views of many conservatives is that it stems from evangelical Christianity.

Under their interpretation of the Bible, things must constantly get worse and worse in order for the Antichrist to appear, and then get defeated by Jesus, and then usher end the New Jerusalem. If things are generally getting better in the world -- and by many metrics, it is -- then that essentially proves their religious outlook to be wrong.

And that's what really scares them.
 
2013-10-21 10:22:56 AM

doglover: Model rocket starters AREN'T multi-use, and without Tepco or similar neither are batteries.

Hence the problem.


It's a quick way to complete a circuit that's no muss no fuss and can be used to generate a very fast heat source. Different strokes different folks I guess.
 
2013-10-21 10:37:18 AM
"Dr." Manny Alvarez vs "Dr." Keith Ablow: Who is the bigger charlatan?


Discuss among yourselves.
 
2013-10-21 10:41:35 AM

Apos: "Dr." Manny Alvarez vs "Dr." Keith Ablow: Who is the bigger charlatan?


Discuss among yourselves.


Dr. / Dr.?

Give me the news.
 
2013-10-21 10:53:31 AM
FTFA: "And studies have shown that these videogames can sometimes condition people, especially young children, to be apathetic towards violence. "

i706.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-21 11:00:18 AM
My coffee smeels like brains.
 
2013-10-21 11:03:39 AM

dittybopper: Today, they are a way for people to discuss killing people without being so gauche as to discuss killing living, breathing people.  They are a metaphor, at least among survivalist circles, for the people who didn't prepare for the massive collapse of society, and who would roam around looking for food, etc., and who would be willing to take it by force if necessary.


I can certainly see how that would play out, but The Walking Dead doesn't seem like a great example. Rick and Co. had absolutely no survival plan before the apocalypse hit and it looks like they made it through the first few weeks by dumb luck - Rick in particular, seeing as he was in a coma. After that they frequently invade homes, stores, etc, kill the zombie residents and then loot whatever they can. In the survivalist prepper fantasy Rick's group could very accurately be described as "people who didn't prepare for the massive collapse of society, and who would roam around looking for food, etc., and who would be willing to take it by force if necessary. "
 
2013-10-21 11:10:18 AM
Zombie obsession is an obsession of us turning into monsters. The Zombie is the generic monster which packs up into hordes to destroy civilization. It is an expression of how we see ourselves, our lives, and our future. In this time of economic uncertainty,  where Boomers are unprepared for retirement, Mellinials are not even able to start an adult career, and Xer's are squeezed for every last dollar they can beg, borrow or steal it is no wonder that our pop culture monsters are zombies.
 
2013-10-21 11:14:45 AM

Target Builder: dittybopper: Today, they are a way for people to discuss killing people without being so gauche as to discuss killing living, breathing people.  They are a metaphor, at least among survivalist circles, for the people who didn't prepare for the massive collapse of society, and who would roam around looking for food, etc., and who would be willing to take it by force if necessary.

I can certainly see how that would play out, but The Walking Dead doesn't seem like a great example. Rick and Co. had absolutely no survival plan before the apocalypse hit and it looks like they made it through the first few weeks by dumb luck - Rick in particular, seeing as he was in a coma. After that they frequently invade homes, stores, etc, kill the zombie residents and then loot whatever they can. In the survivalist prepper fantasy Rick's group could very accurately be described as "people who didn't prepare for the massive collapse of society, and who would roam around looking for food, etc., and who would be willing to take it by force if necessary. "


Like the TeaBaggers? The "preppers" I know are all hard core TeaParty assholes, and that's the entire basis for their "prepping", That they will have to take by force the things they need or want because the distribution systems will all be destroyed. That's why they are stocked up mostly on motor fuels, ammunition and lots of weapons.

An intelligent "prepper" would be stocking up on things like salt, pepper and other spices, sugar, raw bulk foods that are set up to be stored for the long term and things that can do stuff like purify water and build things. Tools, equipment etc. and seeds for crops.

It's funny how so many of these guys are stocked up on weaponry, but little else.
 
2013-10-21 11:16:14 AM

Target Builder: dittybopper: Today, they are a way for people to discuss killing people without being so gauche as to discuss killing living, breathing people.  They are a metaphor, at least among survivalist circles, for the people who didn't prepare for the massive collapse of society, and who would roam around looking for food, etc., and who would be willing to take it by force if necessary.

I can certainly see how that would play out, but The Walking Dead doesn't seem like a great example. Rick and Co. had absolutely no survival plan before the apocalypse hit and it looks like they made it through the first few weeks by dumb luck - Rick in particular, seeing as he was in a coma. After that they frequently invade homes, stores, etc, kill the zombie residents and then loot whatever they can. In the survivalist prepper fantasy Rick's group could very accurately be described as "people who didn't prepare for the massive collapse of society, and who would roam around looking for food, etc., and who would be willing to take it by force if necessary. "


TWD (which I have not seen, btw) may not be a great example.  But the zombie phenomenon of the last few years didn't start and end with The Walking Dead.
 
2013-10-21 11:17:54 AM
Huh.  I didn't realize that advanced psychology and sociology studies were included as part of the battery of training needed to be an OB/GYN.

Perhaps he's suggesting this based on his own personal model of obsessive response.....
 
2013-10-21 11:38:38 AM

Mugato: Millennium: while the latest vampire craze was farking Twilight.

You don't need a research paper to understand the appeal of Twilight. Vampires are sexy. Teenage vampires bring in the tween girls. The fact that he's actually 100 years old and trolls high schools for tail is immaterial.


The transformation of vampires is actually way more interesting than the zombie craze. Vampires used to be allegories of uncontrolled vice. They were a mix of violence, sexual perversion, and animalistic urges. The monster lurking inside man. Any high society manners were just a clever mask for the monster underneath. Now we've pretty much decided that there's nothing so bad about base desires and so vampirism is mostly just sexy and fun.
 
2013-10-21 11:42:08 AM

slayer199: Apparently, Mr. Moran doesn't understand the sociological implications of the zombies phenomena.  It's not about the undead butthead, it's about the living.  Zombies are a deadly environmental threat, it's how the living deal with that environmental threat.


I wish we had zombies instead of global warming. You can't solve greenhouse gasses by shooting them in the head.
 
2013-10-21 11:42:12 AM
Deathfrogg:

An intelligent "prepper" would be stocking up on things like salt, pepper and other spices, sugar, raw bulk foods that are set up to be stored for the long term and things that can do stuff like purify water and build things. Tools, equipment etc. and seeds for crops.

There are a lot of types of prepper, and plenty do the above. IMO if you're planning for a wholesale collapse of society learning skills that are lost in the modern era would be at least as useful as having more than a few weeks food spare - for example, if you're in a temperate region and plan to make it through your second winter then knowing how to can food would be an extremely useful skill.
 
2013-10-21 12:01:16 PM

odinsposse: Vampires used to be allegories of uncontrolled vice


Of course, we all know that outside of modern literature and cinema, folk legends of vampire are firmly rooted in fear of death and disease (particularly consumption) and have little, if any, sexual components.
 
2013-10-21 12:04:22 PM

HailRobonia: odinsposse: Vampires used to be allegories of uncontrolled vice

Of course, we all know that outside of modern literature and cinema, folk legends of vampire are firmly rooted in fear of death and disease (particularly consumption) and have little, if any, sexual components.


Crazy how things change.
 
2013-10-21 12:15:18 PM
"Hate me all you want, or call me paranoid and misinformed"
How about dumb shiat, moran, idiot, dim bulb, brain dead, just plain stupid.
 
2013-10-21 12:20:21 PM

Gunny Highway: HailRobonia: odinsposse: Vampires used to be allegories of uncontrolled vice

Of course, we all know that outside of modern literature and cinema, folk legends of vampire are firmly rooted in fear of death and disease (particularly consumption) and have little, if any, sexual components.

Crazy how things change.


Yeah, well, we'll find something that scares us and come up with a way to have intercourse with it.
 
2013-10-21 12:27:36 PM

HailRobonia: odinsposse: Vampires used to be allegories of uncontrolled vice

Of course, we all know that outside of modern literature and cinema, folk legends of vampire are firmly rooted in fear of death and disease (particularly consumption) and have little, if any, sexual components.


Except for the vampire stories where the vampires come back to haunt their families, and have vampire kids. There are lots of weird variations to the Eastern European vampire myth. In some stories you can place the vampire's favorite whiskey at his grave, and he won't bother you again.
 
2013-10-21 12:33:23 PM
Replace the word "Zombie" with "Soldier" and it works the same way, but just a different genre.  Difference is when you're killing zombies, it's just fantasy, and we can't have that.  Replace the word "Zombie" with "Mainstream News Reporter" and you'll understand how this article makes me feel.
 
2013-10-21 12:33:51 PM
dittybopper:
Yeah, well, we'll find something that scares us and come up with a way to have intercourse with it.

31.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-21 12:35:03 PM
I thought zombies as a plot device was played out in the '80s.  It's boring.
 
2013-10-21 12:37:53 PM
Anyone calling themselves "Doctor Manny" is automatically disqualified to speak about grown up concepts even if this did warrant a conversation.

No, the TV show about zombies is not hurting america you sad little Doctor Phil wannabe.
 
2013-10-21 12:43:47 PM

Target Builder: Deathfrogg:

An intelligent "prepper" would be stocking up on things like salt, pepper and other spices, sugar, raw bulk foods that are set up to be stored for the long term and things that can do stuff like purify water and build things. Tools, equipment etc. and seeds for crops.

There are a lot of types of prepper, and plenty do the above. IMO if you're planning for a wholesale collapse of society learning skills that are lost in the modern era would be at least as useful as having more than a few weeks food spare - for example, if you're in a temperate region and plan to make it through your second winter then knowing how to can food would be an extremely useful skill.


*IF* you are so inclined, the best thing you can do to prepare is to learn the skills you might need post-apocalypse.  Things like trapping with snares (why hunt a deer when you can snare it?), etc.  How to prepare skins and hides without modern chemicals (ie., brain tanning).  Knapping flint, making bows, etc.

If you are just stocking up to last through some natural disaster, well, the skill set is a bit different.  It's basically modern camping.
 
2013-10-21 12:50:27 PM
I like the vampires in the Hellboy universe.

/still are not up to current so I have yet to read BPRD: Vampires
 
2013-10-21 12:56:37 PM
dittybopper:

*IF* you are so inclined, the best thing you can do to prepare is to learn the skills you might need post-apocalypse.  Things like trapping with snares (why hunt a deer when you can snare it?), etc.  How to prepare skins and hides without modern chemicals (ie., brain tanning).  Knapping flint, making bows, etc.

If you are just stocking up to last through some natural disaster, well, the skill set is a bit different.  It's basically modern camping.


Oh, fully agreed - 'canning' wasn't supposed to be an exhaustive list of skills to learn in preparation for the end of civilization by any means, just one of many that would be very useful and that has been largely forgotten in the west now that we've had over half a century with ubiquitous availability of electricity, refrigeration and pre-processed mass-produced food.
 
2013-10-21 01:09:50 PM
The gun nut preppers will be the first to die in the zombie plague. They will look to stamp out the plague and end up getting killed. Your best bet is to keep your head down and doors locked. If TWD is to be trusted it would be best to live in a suburb or rural town. Try to be a loner.
 
2013-10-21 01:14:21 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: The gun nut preppers will be the first to die in the zombie plague. They will look to stamp out the plague and end up getting killed. Your best bet is to keep your head down and doors locked. If TWD is to be trusted it would be best to live in a suburb or rural town. Try to be a loner.


Most of them haven't realized that they can't get down into their disaster silo on their hoveround.
 
2013-10-21 01:16:28 PM

Beeblebrox: Mid_mo_mad_man: The gun nut preppers will be the first to die in the zombie plague. They will look to stamp out the plague and end up getting killed. Your best bet is to keep your head down and doors locked. If TWD is to be trusted it would be best to live in a suburb or rural town. Try to be a loner.

Most of them haven't realized that they can't get down into their disaster silo on their hoveround.


lol
 
2013-10-21 01:16:40 PM

bostonguy: Spengler, one of the few intelligent conservatives today, makes this point:

Sometime in 2011 the total number of film plots with the keyword "zombie" passed the number of film plots with the keyword "cowboy," according to the Internet Movie Database. One might argue that the zombie has become the great American archetype of the postmodern era, as the cowboy was the American archetype a century ago. With the release of Brad Pitt's $200 million zombie epic what used to be the stuff of low-budget shockers has entered the American cultural mainstream. Therein lies a lesson. ...

Dying cultures are the living dead. Half of the world's 6,000 languages will disappear by the end of this century. They are zombie cultures. But we Americans are gestating a zombie culture inside what used to be a "country with the soul of a church," as G.K. Chesterton put it. The hedonistic narcissism that took over popular culture during the 1960s produced a spiritual deadening like nothing in American history. That's why we are so fascinated with zombies. We identify with them.

I'd also add my thoughts earlier in the thread about zombie banks, vampires, and such.


Anyone who identifies with the conservatives, with the republicans, CANNOT biatch about any sort of "Spiritual deadening" coming from the left. It wasn't farking *LEFTISTS* that created the goddamn abomination that is the Prosperity Gospel, a flavor of religion so farked up it apparently ignores some biggest, largest sticking points *THAT THE BOOK THEY CLAIM IS THE LITERAL TRUTH TALKS ABOUT*

I mean, fark! The only people Jesus gets angry at IN THE farkING BIBLE are the folks using religion to make money! He doesn't get angry at Judas, he doesn't get angry at the romans come to take him away/executing him (Forgive them, father. They know not what they do), he doesn't get angry at GODDAMN SATAN, the epitomy of evil in the christian religion! But the money changers in the temple? Oh holy shiat.
 
2013-10-21 01:21:53 PM

Beeblebrox: Mid_mo_mad_man: The gun nut preppers will be the first to die in the zombie plague. They will look to stamp out the plague and end up getting killed. Your best bet is to keep your head down and doors locked. If TWD is to be trusted it would be best to live in a suburb or rural town. Try to be a loner.

Most of them haven't realized that they can't get down into their disaster silo on their hoveround.


No, then can get down into them.  Ever hear of a little thing, just made a major motion picture about it, called "gravity"?

Getting back up?  Well, that's another story.
 
2013-10-21 01:22:47 PM

HailRobonia: odinsposse: Vampires used to be allegories of uncontrolled vice

Of course, we all know that outside of modern literature and cinema, folk legends of vampire are firmly rooted in fear of death and disease (particularly consumption) and have little, if any, sexual components.


If by "modern" you mean "since at least 1872." Historians would agree with that definition (most would even chide you for not going back far enough), but the fact remains that Western culture has been sexualizing vampires since well before living memory.
 
2013-10-21 01:23:32 PM

dittybopper: Beeblebrox: Mid_mo_mad_man: The gun nut preppers will be the first to die in the zombie plague. They will look to stamp out the plague and end up getting killed. Your best bet is to keep your head down and doors locked. If TWD is to be trusted it would be best to live in a suburb or rural town. Try to be a loner.

Most of them haven't realized that they can't get down into their disaster silo on their hoveround.

No, then can get down into them.  Ever hear of a little thing, just made a major motion picture about it, called "gravity"?

Getting back up?  Well, that's another story.


I'm opening a business on modernizing bunkers with wheel chair accessible ramps, who wants to get in on this. We'll make a mint.
 
2013-10-21 01:29:09 PM

dittybopper: Beeblebrox: Mid_mo_mad_man: The gun nut preppers will be the first to die in the zombie plague. They will look to stamp out the plague and end up getting killed. Your best bet is to keep your head down and doors locked. If TWD is to be trusted it would be best to live in a suburb or rural town. Try to be a loner.

Most of them haven't realized that they can't get down into their disaster silo on their hoveround.

No, then can get down into them.  Ever hear of a little thing, just made a major motion picture about it, called "gravity"?

Getting back up?  Well, that's another story.


Gravity is just a theory.  I propose we test this on the Hoveround riding preppers, for science.
 
2013-10-21 01:31:39 PM

Felgraf: Anyone who identifies with the conservatives, with the republicans, CANNOT biatch about any sort of "Spiritual deadening" coming from the left. It wasn't farking *LEFTISTS* that created the goddamn abomination that is the Prosperity Gospel, a flavor of religion so farked up it apparently ignores some biggest, largest sticking points *THAT THE BOOK THEY CLAIM IS THE LITERAL TRUTH TALKS ABOUT*

No, but it was the leftists who created liberation theology. Prosperity theology is poison, make no mistake about that, but like most of the tricks in the conservative book, it came about by making only minor tweaks to what their opponents had been doing for decades: the same flaws, pointed in only slightly different directions. Ignore a phrase here, "reinterpret" a verse there, and make the end result say exactly what you want.

 
2013-10-21 01:31:56 PM

Millennium: HailRobonia: odinsposse: Vampires used to be allegories of uncontrolled vice

Of course, we all know that outside of modern literature and cinema, folk legends of vampire are firmly rooted in fear of death and disease (particularly consumption) and have little, if any, sexual components.

If by "modern" you mean "since at least 1872." Historians would agree with that definition (most would even chide you for not going back far enough), but the fact remains that Western culture has been sexualizing vampires since well before living memory.


upload.wikimedia.org

I feel so lucky
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You wanna hug me
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What rhymes with hug me?
Hey, hey, hey
 
2013-10-21 01:51:11 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: The gun nut preppers will be the first to die in the zombie plague. They will look to stamp out the plague and end up getting killed. Your best bet is to keep your head down and doors locked. If TWD is to be trusted it would be best to live in a suburb or rural town. Try to be a loner.


Preppers would do okay until:

- A leak or breach occurs somewhere in their shelter (This can happen simply due to water damage from normal rainfall), and they have to go outside to fix it.
- They get a medical condition their training doesn't qualify them to treat - and there are literally thousands of those.
- They forget to check that one canned food item that expired or got a hole in it, and ate something rancid.
- They realize there aren't any bullet manufacturers anymore, or anyone who knows how to fix compound bows or crossbows.
- Whoops! Turns out that family history of cancer/heart disease/liver disease wasn't something to laugh at after all.
- Long-term waste disposal is going to be a huge problem. 'Nuff said there.
- Same with clean water. Filters, iodine tabs and reserve tanks only go so far. And if any of that water leaks out....
- Go back to the first condition. Nature will never stop trying to force its way in. We take this for granted because we have nice homes and take care of them, or hire someone to do it. Someone who can go outside and work without their brains being eaten.
 
2013-10-21 01:51:26 PM
Faux News has done more damage to America than zombies ever will.  At least zombies don't deny they're fictional.
 
2013-10-21 01:57:35 PM

verbaltoxin: Mid_mo_mad_man: The gun nut preppers will be the first to die in the zombie plague. They will look to stamp out the plague and end up getting killed. Your best bet is to keep your head down and doors locked. If TWD is to be trusted it would be best to live in a suburb or rural town. Try to be a loner.

Preppers would do okay until:

- A leak or breach occurs somewhere in their shelter (This can happen simply due to water damage from normal rainfall), and they have to go outside to fix it.
- They get a medical condition their training doesn't qualify them to treat - and there are literally thousands of those.
- They forget to check that one canned food item that expired or got a hole in it, and ate something rancid.
- They realize there aren't any bullet manufacturers anymore, or anyone who knows how to fix compound bows or crossbows.
- Whoops! Turns out that family history of cancer/heart disease/liver disease wasn't something to laugh at after all.
- Long-term waste disposal is going to be a huge problem. 'Nuff said there.
- Same with clean water. Filters, iodine tabs and reserve tanks only go so far. And if any of that water leaks out....
- Go back to the first condition. Nature will never stop trying to force its way in. We take this for granted because we have nice homes and take care of them, or hire someone to do it. Someone who can go outside and work without their brains being eaten.




Most of the problems you mentioned would be long range problems. I think most would die quickly in the breakdown of society.
 
2013-10-21 02:12:36 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: verbaltoxin: Mid_mo_mad_man: The gun nut preppers will be the first to die in the zombie plague. They will look to stamp out the plague and end up getting killed. Your best bet is to keep your head down and doors locked. If TWD is to be trusted it would be best to live in a suburb or rural town. Try to be a loner.

Preppers would do okay until:

- A leak or breach occurs somewhere in their shelter (This can happen simply due to water damage from normal rainfall), and they have to go outside to fix it.
- They get a medical condition their training doesn't qualify them to treat - and there are literally thousands of those.
- They forget to check that one canned food item that expired or got a hole in it, and ate something rancid.
- They realize there aren't any bullet manufacturers anymore, or anyone who knows how to fix compound bows or crossbows.
- Whoops! Turns out that family history of cancer/heart disease/liver disease wasn't something to laugh at after all.
- Long-term waste disposal is going to be a huge problem. 'Nuff said there.
- Same with clean water. Filters, iodine tabs and reserve tanks only go so far. And if any of that water leaks out....
- Go back to the first condition. Nature will never stop trying to force its way in. We take this for granted because we have nice homes and take care of them, or hire someone to do it. Someone who can go outside and work without their brains being eaten.

Most of the problems you mentioned would be long range problems. I think most would die quickly in the breakdown of society.


You could get sick the first week of the apocalypse. Or discover you're allergic to a wild herb your plant guide said was edible.
 
2013-10-21 02:14:33 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Zombies are bad because socialism. We're scraping the bottom of the barrel here, Fox News.


Holy shiat can he possibly take a bigger leap?

Really, Socialism?

He just had to get that jab in there didnt he.
Good god...
 
2013-10-21 02:30:59 PM
verbaltoxin:

Most of the problems you mentioned would be long range problems. I think most would die quickly in the breakdown of society.

You could get sick the first week of the apocalypse. Or discover you're allergic to a wild herb your plant guide said was edible.


Unless the fall of civilization is due to some sort of pandemic getting seriously sick the first few weeks would be an outlier risk that nobody without extensive medical training would be prepared for. The idea is to prepare for what you can prepare for. That or radiation sickness if the precipitating event is nuclear in nature, in which case you're farked regardless of your medical training.

Getting sick a few months in - particularly due to illnesses like cholera, typhoid, dysentery and other serious illness that are rarely a concern in a world where modern sanitation provides clean water and removes human waste without us even having to think about it would be a big issue. Stay away from people with the runs. Probably a good idea to avoid folks with a persistent cough too, as you can forget finding antibiotics for TB.

I'd hazard a guess that folks with serious allergies would be thinned from the herd pretty quickly.

Of course, this is all assuming you manage to get through the first few weeks/months when so many others didn't.

/not a prepper, just prepared for reasonably likely emergencies and have an interest in learning forgotten skills.
 
2013-10-21 02:45:58 PM

verbaltoxin: You could get sick the first week of the apocalypse. Or discover you're allergic to a wild herb your plant guide said was edible.


These could indeed happen, but there comes a point when you've got the odds so low that worrying about them, even given what is at stake, becomes basically pointless.
 
2013-10-21 02:49:29 PM

Target Builder: verbaltoxin:

Most of the problems you mentioned would be long range problems. I think most would die quickly in the breakdown of society.

You could get sick the first week of the apocalypse. Or discover you're allergic to a wild herb your plant guide said was edible.

Unless the fall of civilization is due to some sort of pandemic getting seriously sick the first few weeks would be an outlier risk that nobody without extensive medical training would be prepared for. The idea is to prepare for what you can prepare for. That or radiation sickness if the precipitating event is nuclear in nature, in which case you're farked regardless of your medical training.

Getting sick a few months in - particularly due to illnesses like cholera, typhoid, dysentery and other serious illness that are rarely a concern in a world where modern sanitation provides clean water and removes human waste without us even having to think about it would be a big issue. Stay away from people with the runs. Probably a good idea to avoid folks with a persistent cough too, as you can forget finding antibiotics for TB.

I'd hazard a guess that folks with serious allergies would be thinned from the herd pretty quickly.

Of course, this is all assuming you manage to get through the first few weeks/months when so many others didn't.

/not a prepper, just prepared for reasonably likely emergencies and have an interest in learning forgotten skills.


Most people aren't prepared for viral meningitus and yet, it happens, often inconveniently timed.

And we're talking preppers, who are themselves outliers. I'm detailing all the ironic ways their hilarious plans can go wrong.

What I'm saying is that preppers aren't really any better off than the rest of the world's population during the presumed end of the world.
 
2013-10-21 02:53:39 PM

Millennium: verbaltoxin: You could get sick the first week of the apocalypse. Or discover you're allergic to a wild herb your plant guide said was edible.

These could indeed happen, but there comes a point when you've got the odds so low that worrying about them, even given what is at stake, becomes basically pointless.


That's kinda my point. Preppers are obsessed with an outlier, a highly unlikely occurrance.
 
2013-10-21 02:54:08 PM

verbaltoxin: Mid_mo_mad_man: The gun nut preppers will be the first to die in the zombie plague. They will look to stamp out the plague and end up getting killed. Your best bet is to keep your head down and doors locked. If TWD is to be trusted it would be best to live in a suburb or rural town. Try to be a loner.

Preppers would do okay until:

- A leak or breach occurs somewhere in their shelter (This can happen simply due to water damage from normal rainfall), and they have to go outside to fix it.


That's really not that big a problem, unless the assumption is that outside is so unsafe that you can't go outside at all without major risk.

- They get a medical condition their training doesn't qualify them to treat - and there are literally thousands of those.

Meh.  You worry about the common stuff.

- They forget to check that one canned food item that expired or got a hole in it, and ate something rancid.

Probably won't kill you, but 99 times out of 100 you'll know it's bad when you open it, or on the first taste.

- They realize there aren't any bullet manufacturers anymore, or anyone who knows how to fix compound bows or crossbows.

Flintlocks, longbows/recurves, and crossbows that don't have wheels.  And learn how to make a bow, a crossbow, and arrows/bolts.  Bowstrings are easy to make also.

Making black powder might also be a good thing to learn, as is reloading:  Literally tens of thousands of people already do that.

Failing that, learn how to make an use an atlatl.  Simple, and effective.  And carry a melee weapon of some sort.

- Whoops! Turns out that family history of cancer/heart disease/liver disease wasn't something to laugh at after all.

Not much you can do about that.

- Long-term waste disposal is going to be a huge problem. 'Nuff said there.

Cesspit/outhouse.

- Same with clean water. Filters, iodine tabs and reserve tanks only go so far. And if any of that water leaks out....

Filtering/boiling.

- Go back to the first condition. Nature will never stop trying to force its way in. We take this for granted because we have nice homes and take care of them, or hire someone to do it. Someone who can go outside and work without their brains being eaten.

Again, meh.  You do what you gotta do.
 
2013-10-21 02:59:01 PM
Another point out cholera, etc.:  We know what it is, what causes it, and how to completely avoid it.

That puts us head and shoulders above our ancestors.  And it's not some arcane prepper knowledge:  Every boy scout who's been on a camping trip knows you boil the water from a stream or lake before you use it.
 
2013-10-21 03:05:54 PM

dittybopper: Another point out cholera, etc.:  We know what it is, what causes it, and how to completely avoid it.

That puts us head and shoulders above our ancestors.  And it's not some arcane prepper knowledge:  Every boy scout who's been on a camping trip knows you boil the water from a stream or lake before you use it.


I was going to write out a crazy faux "anti-boiling water" screed like the anti-vaccination hooey, but I realized that Poe's law might come into effect...
 
2013-10-21 03:19:42 PM

verbaltoxin: Most people aren't prepared for viral meningitus and yet, it happens, often inconveniently timed.


Did you mean bacterial meningitis. Viral meningitis is normally not very serious and clears up on its own without any specific treatment. A lot of people are vaccinated against the bacterial version these days too.

dittybopper: Another point out cholera, etc.:  We know what it is, what causes it, and how to completely avoid it.

That puts us head and shoulders above our ancestors.  And it's not some arcane prepper knowledge:  Every boy scout who's been on a camping trip knows you boil the water from a stream or lake before you use it.


True, knowing that disease is caused by viruses, bacteria, fungi and parasites puts people today a long way ahead of our ancestors in avoiding them, although the ease with which these illnesses can be avoided would nosedive if you removed sanitation facilities from the world. Well - I suppose it depends on how isolated you and your water supply are from other folk.
 
2013-10-21 03:26:35 PM

dittybopper: verbaltoxin: Mid_mo_mad_man: The gun nut preppers will be the first to die in the zombie plague. They will look to stamp out the plague and end up getting killed. Your best bet is to keep your head down and doors locked. If TWD is to be trusted it would be best to live in a suburb or rural town. Try to be a loner.

Preppers would do okay until:

- A leak or breach occurs somewhere in their shelter (This can happen simply due to water damage from normal rainfall), and they have to go outside to fix it.

That's really not that big a problem, unless the assumption is that outside is so unsafe that you can't go outside at all without major risk.

- They get a medical condition their training doesn't qualify them to treat - and there are literally thousands of those.

Meh.  You worry about the common stuff.

- They forget to check that one canned food item that expired or got a hole in it, and ate something rancid.

Probably won't kill you, but 99 times out of 100 you'll know it's bad when you open it, or on the first taste.

- They realize there aren't any bullet manufacturers anymore, or anyone who knows how to fix compound bows or crossbows.

Flintlocks, longbows/recurves, and crossbows that don't have wheels.  And learn how to make a bow, a crossbow, and arrows/bolts.  Bowstrings are easy to make also.

Making black powder might also be a good thing to learn,


This is why I save my urine. Collect it in a shallow and allow it to evaporate. There's your nitrates for black powder.

 
2013-10-21 03:35:45 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: dittybopper: verbaltoxin: Mid_mo_mad_man: The gun nut preppers will be the first to die in the zombie plague. They will look to stamp out the plague and end up getting killed. Your best bet is to keep your head down and doors locked. If TWD is to be trusted it would be best to live in a suburb or rural town. Try to be a loner.

Preppers would do okay until:

- A leak or breach occurs somewhere in their shelter (This can happen simply due to water damage from normal rainfall), and they have to go outside to fix it.

That's really not that big a problem, unless the assumption is that outside is so unsafe that you can't go outside at all without major risk.

- They get a medical condition their training doesn't qualify them to treat - and there are literally thousands of those.

Meh.  You worry about the common stuff.

- They forget to check that one canned food item that expired or got a hole in it, and ate something rancid.

Probably won't kill you, but 99 times out of 100 you'll know it's bad when you open it, or on the first taste.

- They realize there aren't any bullet manufacturers anymore, or anyone who knows how to fix compound bows or crossbows.

Flintlocks, longbows/recurves, and crossbows that don't have wheels.  And learn how to make a bow, a crossbow, and arrows/bolts.  Bowstrings are easy to make also.

Making black powder might also be a good thing to learn,


This is why I save my urine. Collect it in a shallow pan and allow it to evaporate. There's your nitrates for black powder.

 
2013-10-21 03:46:21 PM
Who else misses the concept of voodoo zombies? Nowadays it's all virus this and mutant that.
 
2013-10-21 03:51:08 PM

Haoie: Who else misses the concept of voodoo zombies? Nowadays it's all virus this and mutant that.


Can't it be both?
 
Ant
2013-10-21 04:00:30 PM
Give me a break. As a doctor and scientist, I know one thing for sure: When you're dead, you're dead.

Blashepmy!!!!
 
2013-10-21 04:13:07 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: This is why I save my urine. Collect it in a shallow and allow it to evaporate. There's your nitrates for black powder.



John Harrelson, John Harrelson, you are a wretched creature,
You've added to this war a new and awful feature,
You'd have us think while every man is bound to be a fighter,
The ladies, bless their pretty dears, should save their p** for nitre,

John Harrelson, John Harrelson, where did you get this notion,
To send your barrel around the town to gather up this lotion,
We thought the girls had work enough in making shirts and kissing,
But you have put the pretty dears to patriotic pissing,

John Harrelson, John Harrelson, do pray invent a neater
And somewhat less immodest mode of making your saltpeter,
For "tis an awful idea, John, gunpowdery and cranky,
That when a lady lifts her skirt, she's killing off a Yankee.

They say there is a subtle smell that lingers in the powder;
That when the smoke grows thicker, and the din of the battle louder
That there is found to this compound one serious objection;
A soldier can not sniff it without having an erection.
 
2013-10-21 04:16:20 PM

Target Builder: dittybopper: Another point out cholera, etc.:  We know what it is, what causes it, and how to completely avoid it.

That puts us head and shoulders above our ancestors.  And it's not some arcane prepper knowledge:  Every boy scout who's been on a camping trip knows you boil the water from a stream or lake before you use it.

True, knowing that disease is caused by viruses, bacteria, fungi and parasites puts people today a long way ahead of our ancestors in avoiding them, although the ease with which these illnesses can be avoided would nosedive if you removed sanitation facilities from the world. Well - I suppose it depends on how isolated you and your water supply are from other folk.


Sanitation facilities like a big-ass pot and a fire?
 
2013-10-21 04:17:20 PM

verbaltoxin: And we're talking preppers, who are themselves outliers. I'm detailing all the ironic ways their hilarious plans can go wrong.

What I'm saying is that preppers aren't really any better off than the rest of the world's population during the presumed end of the world.


Well, if it's the "end of the world" then nobody is likely to survive.  Strategic nuclear war.  Extinction-level event meteor impact.  Some virtually unsurvivable cataclysm, then yeah, preppers aren't really much better off.

For a survivable but dangerous calamity such as a major earthquake/hurricane/blizzard or such that's survivable but could be dangerous without preparation then preppers are well off.

You can always come up with some bizarre circumstance that no matter how well you've prepared, you're going to lose against.  Having a good supply of food, water, medical supplies, and weapons & ammunition for emergency preparedness is just common sense, however.
 
2013-10-21 04:50:54 PM
dittybopper:

Sanitation facilities like a big-ass pot and a fire?

I was more thinking if you're somewhere where there are a fair number of people about - all you need is one dumbass to not wash their hands properly and you end up with contaminated door knobs and the like. If you had a fairly isolated setting (homestead, for example) that turns into much less an issue.
 
2013-10-21 05:28:52 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: The gun nut preppers will be the first to die in the zombie plague. They will look to stamp out the plague and end up getting killed. Your best bet is to keep your head down and doors locked. If TWD is to be trusted it would be best to live in a suburb or rural town. Try to be a loner.


Loner? Screw that! I've always said, if the shiat goes down, the people who will thrive would be those who can band together, preserve technology, and rebuild civilization. Maybe the band of people who stumble upon a ammo factory and have the knowledge and resources to utilize it. A group that settles around a power source, such as wind turbans or solar panels, has electricity, which means they could power a water pump, greenhouse, or other things.
 
2013-10-21 06:55:32 PM

Rasraf Mekerk: You can't resuscitate a dead person.


That's only meaningful if you define "dead" in some way other than "formerly alive, now impossible to resuscitate".
 
2013-10-21 06:58:53 PM

Richard C Stanford: Maybe the band of people who stumble upon a ammo factory


www.dillonprecision.com

What an "ammo factory" looks like.  There are tens of thousands of them out there in basements and garages, and some are way more sophisticated.
 
2013-10-21 11:02:10 PM

dittybopper: Mugato: dittybopper: T-Servo: Our brains should be less focused on imaginary zombie hoards

Zombies are a metaphor.  I thought everyone everyone understood that.

It's been used as a metaphor in most of the movies, especially the Romero ones but I suspect it's also a fantasy for survivalist/gun nuts who actually have detailed plans on how to deal with the zombie apocalypse.

It's actually a metaphor for the survivalists also.  It's a way of discussion shooting or otherwise dispatching or avoiding the hoards of people they would expect after a major collapse to come looking for their stuff.

It's a way of talking and thinking about it without actually talking or thinking about shooting living people, which is unpleasant to contemplate.

I thought that was understood.


Oh ditty, I halfway understood that instinctively even before I confirmed it.

I was wondering "Why the hell is all this zombie sh*t being talked about NOW? There's gotta be something more going on. Something's up and it ain't just selling games or movies or books, and I can just about smell it."

I was very unhappy to find my weird-feeling paranoid suspicions were correct.
 
2013-10-21 11:21:33 PM
PS

I am the only one in my gang of townies [that I know of] that has even a barebones minimal supply of survival tools or survival info assembled so far.

I'm really not one to stick my unwanted snout in the others' business.

Why unwanted?

I was told quite emphatically once that I was going to be the one put out the door if there was a nuclear war.

If something nasty happens, I don't think I'm going to be well-disposed toward any of them.
 
2013-10-21 11:34:01 PM

dittybopper: Richard C Stanford: Maybe the band of people who stumble upon a ammo factory

[www.dillonprecision.com image 429x650]

What an "ammo factory" looks like.  There are tens of thousands of them out there in basements and garages, and some are way more sophisticated.


And I suppose you're going to be mining the metals and smelting them, too? Oh, well, you could recycle metals, I suppose. Melt them down in your basement, etc. Sure. That's worth the time and effort to make a bullet.

And the gunpowder? When that runs out you'll need a little lab to make more. It's not complex, but it does require some components you will have to hunt for, most likely, if the world has gone to hell.

You act as if the raw materials spring forth from your doohickey magically. They don't, and that's why modern guns will have limited use after the world falls apart. You may have better luck with muskets, flintlocks, and other black powder weapons.
 
2013-10-21 11:49:33 PM
FTA: The concept of zombies has been around for decades, and their mythology has even been studied by scientists to prove that such an outbreak can never occur.

Well.  Glad we got that cleared up.
 
2013-10-21 11:54:05 PM

Kittypie070: dittybopper: Mugato: dittybopper: T-Servo: Our brains should be less focused on imaginary zombie hoards

Zombies are a metaphor.  I thought everyone everyone understood that.

It's been used as a metaphor in most of the movies, especially the Romero ones but I suspect it's also a fantasy for survivalist/gun nuts who actually have detailed plans on how to deal with the zombie apocalypse.

It's actually a metaphor for the survivalists also.  It's a way of discussion shooting or otherwise dispatching or avoiding the hoards of people they would expect after a major collapse to come looking for their stuff.

It's a way of talking and thinking about it without actually talking or thinking about shooting living people, which is unpleasant to contemplate.

I thought that was understood.

Oh ditty, I halfway understood that instinctively even before I confirmed it.

I was wondering "Why the hell is all this zombie sh*t being talked about NOW? There's gotta be something more going on. Something's up and it ain't just selling games or movies or books, and I can just about smell it."

I was very unhappy to find my weird-feeling paranoid suspicions were correct.



All I know is that the majority of new zombie "fans" in my part of the world are rednecks, and they use it as part of some warped reasoning behind hoarding weapons. These are people who never cared for zombie stories before, and who find Romero, Matheson, and O'Bannon tedious... But they LOOOVE Max Brooks (The Zombie Survival Guide is right next to their other survival books), and all the new movies and merchandise with zombies.

And these guys, along with the fratboy douchebags who deemed World War Z the best story ever, are the ones who co-opted and ruined zombies for those of us who were into them when ghouls served a more cerebral purpose in a story. These days, they don't serve the same purpose. They're just stand-ins for "people you didn't like when they were alive".

The modern zombie stories are, at best, tales that play with our fear of a killer epidemic, and at worst, tales that replace a race of people (or a nation of them) with "monsters" that are okay to kill.

There's a reason most ghoul stories today are about a plague, instead of being unexplained (Romero), the result of science gone mad (O'Bannon), or magical (Raimi, most pre-Romero ghouls). Today, almost every one has the same qualities: Spread by bite, disease carriers, and killed by destroying the brain. They move in varying speeds, but almost never have the ability to climb ladders. They have peculiarly strong jaws (bite through leather, denim, bone), yet exceptionally weak skulls (easily punctured with a sharp object.)

In short, the genre has become awful because it has become cliche and nobody seems to want to break the current rules. Zombie = Plague Army now. I hate it, but that's how it is.

It absolutely sucks that so many hacks have jumped on the zombie bandwagon and watered it down. I feel that this is similar to the shovelware problem that exists with popular gaming systems. Cashing in on a fad is a poor reason to make art.

And make no mistake: Some early zombie flicks are art. Not fine art, of course, but they have a strong arc, real character development, and even a moral and a message. Newer ones? Nope. Same old crap over and over. People surviving the plague/apocalypse with guns, survival plans, and determination. It's all bullshiat, and if there's anything that annoys the shiat out of me now, it's people talking about how they'd "survive the ZA"...  spare us, please.  Nobody cares.

If you want to talk about survivalist crap, then don't mask it in zombies or monsters. Just be honest: You're a miserable sonofabiatch that can't wait for the world to fall apart so you can shoot the neighbors and other people you don't like, and gloat about your obsessive fear-shelter to people you secretly hope will be trapped outside.
 
2013-10-22 02:40:41 AM
Well stated, Zero. Well stated indeedy.
 
2013-10-22 02:52:44 AM
....and if I wanna imagine myself as the villain of the piece committing mass murder, I'm not gonna be putting the killshot down on already-dead shambolic mindless things.

I mean, how boring. Where's the fun? Where's the challenge?

I like playing the asshole sometimes in my brain-movies.

That way I keep my inner basement cats all plump and lazy, and thus I'm nicer on the outside.
 
2013-10-22 08:26:40 AM

ZeroCorpse: And I suppose you're going to be mining the metals and smelting them, too? Oh, well, you could recycle metals, I suppose. Melt them down in your basement, etc. Sure. That's worth the time and effort to make a bullet.


Actually, it is.  Typical car can supply enough lead for many bullets.  Melt down the wheel weights, and crack open the batteries.  Lots of lead there, and lead is easy to melt down and mold.  In fact, I have a mold for one of my guns.

And the gunpowder? When that runs out you'll need a little lab to make more. It's not complex, but it does require some components you will have to hunt for, most likely, if the world has gone to hell.

Black powder works fine.  It's less powerful than smokeless, of course, but millions of people and animals have been killed with black powder, and it's relatively easy to make.

In fact, many still currently used cartridges were originally loaded with black powder.  

You act as if the raw materials spring forth from your doohickey magically. They don't, and that's why modern guns will have limited use after the world falls apart. You may have better luck with muskets, flintlocks, and other black powder weapons.

Well, what raw materials do you need to reload modern ammunition?

You need lead for the bullets, you need some sort propellant, and some way to ignite that propellant.  You also need cases, but those can be reloaded many, many times.

So, the lead is fairly easy to get, just cannibalize cars for it.  Clapped-out car batteries that no longer hold a charge and wheel-weights, along with things like fishing sinkers, are a good source of easily melted metal that can be used for bullets.  Nice thing about dead-soft lead bullets is that they tend to stay together, so you can recover them, remelt them, and re-mold them over and over again.  My dad does this:  In the winter, he builds a mound of snow behind his targets in his back yard, then when the snow melts in the spring, all the bullets he shot are sitting on the ground.  He collects them up, melts them down, and re-molds them.

Plus, you don't *HAVE* to use lead, per se,  You can use lead-free solder, which is available at all hardware stores.   Or, you can use lead-based solder, which is still made for non-plumbing uses.  So long as it's a metal with a low melting point, low enough that they can be melted in a reasonably hot charcoal fire, then you can use it for bullets.

Powder is relatively easy to make:  Save your piss to make the potassium nitrate, make some charcoal, and if it's available, some sulfur (available in gardening stores), but if not, if you aren't going to use it in something like a flintlock where it needs to be really, really sensitive to spark, you can omit the sulfur.  If you need it to be sensitive, you can loot the sulfur from gardening supply shops.  It's used as a fungicide and insecticide.  It will be one of the things people won't be looking for.  A 20 pound bag of it would easily let you make 100 lbs of black powder and if you use 70 grains per shot (or 1/100 of a pound), you'll have enough powder for 10,000 shots.  Plus, you can use it for other things (to repel mites and ticks, for example)

Perhaps the hardest thing to make though, for modern ammunition, are the primers.  However, you can "reload" primers also, so long as you have a supply of compound for them.  Strike anywhere matches are a good supply of those, but of course they'll be popular.  Another good supply of that are caps for cap guns.  You take the compound out of the plastic caps, and put it into your reshaped primer cup.  Put the anvil back in the primer, and you've got a reloaded primer.  And I don't think the caps from cap guns are going to be the first things people loot.

Of course, eventually you'll run out of sources for strike anywhere matches, caps, etc., so if you really, really think civilization is going down the shiatter on a permanent basis, invest in a good flintlock.  You can knap the flints yourself, and while I haven't personally tried it, I believe that the ceramic used in things like toilet bowls and bathroom sinks will make a decent flint.  As described above, you can make the powder, and because there will be plenty of lead around for the taking, you can make bullets.
 
2013-10-22 08:31:15 AM

ZeroCorpse: when ghouls served a more cerebral purpose in a story


I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.

Ghouls *NEVER* served anything like a cerebral purpose.  *EVAR*.

/They served themselves some cerebral meals, however.
//BRAIINNNNNNSSSSS!
 
2013-10-22 01:22:53 PM

Haoie: Who else misses the concept of voodoo zombies? Nowadays it's all virus this and mutant that.


Yeah, but viruses and mutations can't be accused of cultural imperialism. It's barely acceptable to even mention the older variety nowadays, unless you actually practice voudoun.
 
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