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2013-10-20 05:06:46 PM  
What? They never heard of Grozny?
 
2013-10-20 05:18:40 PM  
I highly doubt that. The assholish tendencies of the Russians are well documented.
 
2013-10-20 05:35:59 PM  
The type of tactics that get you at most slap on the wrist in cuddly western democracies will get you sent to PMITA prison in countries that don't care about your civil rights?  Color me shocked.
 
2013-10-20 06:00:48 PM  
Is this the thread where Freedom Fries Brigade suddenly becomes French Government Fan Club?
 
2013-10-20 06:01:50 PM  
the green peace ship, with its soldiers douche-nozzles, are considered as being 'pirates' by various governments.
 
2013-10-20 06:02:52 PM  
The French, the epitome of revolution and public disobedience, bombed the fark out of Greenpeaces Rainbow Warrior, WTF did they figure the "lets machine gun em all and fark sorting em out" Russians would do to em?
 
2013-10-20 06:02:56 PM  
The Soviet Union was probably pleased to offer amnesty to their wayward wessel.
 
2013-10-20 06:07:10 PM  

sheep snorter: the green peace ship, with its soldiers douche-nozzles, are considered as being 'pirates' by various governments.


And it's a pretty accurate description.  I'm all for saving the environment etc but their gorilla tactics are a bit over the top.
 
2013-10-20 06:09:30 PM  
What did they think was going to happen? They poked a bear with a stick. The bear got angry.
 
2013-10-20 06:09:43 PM  

miss diminutive: The Soviet Union was probably pleased to offer amnesty to their wayward wessel.


Russian wessel?

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2013-10-20 06:09:53 PM  
They misunderstood, the said that they crave attention and the Russians heard that they crave detention.
 
2013-10-20 06:10:41 PM  
...except all of history, recorded, unrecorded, and fictional.
 
2013-10-20 06:12:47 PM  

devildog123: The type of tactics that get you at most slap on the wrist in cuddly western democracies will get you sent to PMITA prison in countries that don't care about your civil rights?  Color me shocked.


Exactly. This is the country that sent two pop singers to jail for years.
 
2013-10-20 06:12:58 PM  
Don't really understood what they expect.  Russians are assholes and don't fark around.   Who really thought this was a good idea, especially how Pussy Riot has been treated?
 
2013-10-20 06:13:04 PM  
Have you seen a Russian novel? They're big enough to club seals with. Of course they're assholes, they expect you to read a thousand pages.
 
2013-10-20 06:13:59 PM  
This just in: If you try to board a vessel on the open ocean against the wishes of those in charge of said vessel, you can be considered a pirate.

/In before Ric Romero
 
2013-10-20 06:17:03 PM  

devildog123: The type of tactics that get you at most slap on the wrist in cuddly western democracies will get you sent to PMITA prison in countries that don't care about your civil rights?  Color me shocked.


When you make your living as a pirate, at some point the "I'm only losing you millions of dollars in income, not physically stealing cash from you" is going to wear out with somebody.

The only reason the exact same thing hasn't happened to them in the US is that our government tends to regard that kind of blatant trolling as something best to simply ignore, technically it's just as illegal here (and under international law as it applies off our shores).

What this guy has been doing is basically the equivalent of the "I'm not touching you" game, eventually someone was gonna slap him for it and it was going to be completely justified.  Sure, by US standards the Russians are being slightly dickish, but, again, only  very slightly, overall their actions are entirely legit and I doubt we'll even take any diplomatic actions to get these idiots freed.
 
2013-10-20 06:17:26 PM  
The guy was charged with piracy? He should count himself lucky since the Russian Navy typically doesn't bother with jailtime for pirates.

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2013-10-20 06:17:31 PM  
They're lucky they weren't shot, stuffed and mounted on the wall of the mess hall.
 
2013-10-20 06:24:51 PM  
FTFA : "The situation he's in now is just way too extreme," said his wife, Maggy.

He's there because he wanted to be there, and you didn't do anything to stop him.  You just don't like the results.

He's lucky they didn't just point blank shoot him.
 
2013-10-20 06:27:08 PM  
I think that Greenpeace should load up another ship full of assholes and sail it straight to that oil platform.  They should tell Putin that they're coming and dare him to do something about it.  Man, I can just see his face now, sweating bullets, turning from one advisor to another, asking, "Now what are we going to do?"
 
2013-10-20 06:32:04 PM  
I am totally shocked by these reasonable posts. Do you farking people realize you are on fark.com?
 
2013-10-20 06:33:58 PM  
This ship and captain and part of the crew has previously been declared for being pirates by other governments. They then committed piracy again in Russian waters on a Russian vessel. What the hell did they think was going to happen? Did they think the Russians would be nice about it like the US or something? Did they really think that fleeing past the International waters line would save their ass?

They committed piracy, they have a history of committing piracy and they have a history of dangerous acts that endanger themselves and others. These aren't protestors complaining about something they don't like, they are common criminals. They are repeat offenders and deserve to go to prison. The biggest shame is that a previous government didn't beat them to it.

/If they'd actually been protesting and the Russians arrested them I'd be condemning the Russians for arresting them
//They use the protestor label as cover for criminal behavior that endangers peoples lives
 
2013-10-20 06:33:59 PM  
You all sit back and agree oil spills and the oil industry is evil, yet bash the only people actively trying to do something about it. And don't give me that "well, i once wrote a letter to a congressman asking him nicely to stop backing big oil" stuff.
 
2013-10-20 06:34:22 PM  
Pro-tip:  Do not board vessels that you are not invited on.
 
2013-10-20 06:37:14 PM  
The greenpeace asshats got what they deserved. Every other country has a little patience with them, knowing they are essentially AWs, but Russia has no patience with that sort of nonsense. (Insert grumpy cat "good" here)

And the wife needs to shut her damn mouth. What did she expect would happen. Moron.
 
2013-10-20 06:37:26 PM  
Forget Russia for a second; you're not going to receive a warm welcome anywhere trying to board oil rigs that aren't yours.
 
2013-10-20 06:38:11 PM  

tzzhc4: The guy was charged with piracy? He should count himself lucky since the Russian Navy typically doesn't bother with jailtime for pirates.

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2013-10-20 06:38:34 PM  

mikeray: I am totally shocked by these reasonable posts. Do you farking people realize you are on fark.com?


Oh, we're well aware it's a case of diarrhea sandwich versus flaming douche.

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2013-10-20 06:38:40 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: You all sit back and agree oil spills and the oil industry is evil, yet bash the only people actively trying to do something about it.


Except that what they're doing does absolutely nothing to  decrease the occurrence of oil spills in any way, the only impact is to add a bunch of untrained idiots to working sites, which dramatically  increases the risk of accidents, including spills.

And the oil industry isn't particularly evil.  Amoral and in need of basic oversight (which is mostly had prior to 2003 or so, but that's another discussion), sure.  But it's not like they  want their valuable product sprayed on a pelican instead of sold to someone in exchange for lots of money.
 
2013-10-20 06:41:39 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: You all sit back and agree oil spills and the oil industry is evil, yet bash the only people actively trying to do something about it. And don't give me that "well, i once wrote a letter to a congressman asking him nicely to stop backing big oil" stuff.


If they choose to commit crimes in the name of their cause that is entirely their right. But they don't get to act shocked and butthurt when someone treats them like the criminals they are. Can't have it both ways. The wife should be saying things like, "He is paying a heavy price for the cause he believes in, but it is worth it to bring attention to the cause." Not pissing and moaning because some country finally got irritated enough to rightfully punish the idiots.
 
2013-10-20 06:43:13 PM  

Jim_Callahan: J. Frank Parnell: You all sit back and agree oil spills and the oil industry is evil, yet bash the only people actively trying to do something about it.

Except that what they're doing does absolutely nothing to  decrease the occurrence of oil spills in any way, the only impact is to add a bunch of untrained idiots to working sites, which dramatically  increases the risk of accidents, including spills.

And the oil industry isn't particularly evil.  Amoral and in need of basic oversight (which is mostly had prior to 2003 or so, but that's another discussion), sure.  But it's not like they  want their valuable product sprayed on a pelican instead of sold to someone in exchange for lots of money.


If I wasn't on mobile I would smartify you!
 
2013-10-20 06:44:50 PM  

Deedeemarz: Jim_Callahan: J. Frank Parnell: You all sit back and agree oil spills and the oil industry is evil, yet bash the only people actively trying to do something about it.

Except that what they're doing does absolutely nothing to  decrease the occurrence of oil spills in any way, the only impact is to add a bunch of untrained idiots to working sites, which dramatically  increases the risk of accidents, including spills.

And the oil industry isn't particularly evil.  Amoral and in need of basic oversight (which is mostly had prior to 2003 or so, but that's another discussion), sure.  But it's not like they  want their valuable product sprayed on a pelican instead of sold to someone in exchange for lots of money.

If I wasn't on mobile I would smartify you!


I will smartify them for you/
 
2013-10-20 06:47:11 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Except that what they're doing does absolutely nothing to decrease the occurrence of oil spills in any way, the only impact is to add a bunch of untrained idiots to working sites, which dramatically increases the risk of accidents, including spills.


Nonsense. Not a single oil spill has been caused by protesters, although oil companies would love to pin one on them i'm sure. Since they can't they have to settle for convincing people protesters increase the risk. These are the same companies who always claim they made no mistake when they have oil spills, and all their operations have zero risk of oil spills, until they happen.

And the oil industry isn't particularly evil. Amoral and in need of basic oversight (which is mostly had prior to 2003 or so, but that's another discussion), sure. But it's not like they want their valuable product sprayed on a pelican instead of sold to someone in exchange for lots of money.

It's the same unrestrained greed and lack of conscience as any other corporation, i'll give them that. But the consequences of their actions are much higher than anything else. If Apple or someone screws up they might lose some profits or shareholder confidence or whatever, but an oil spill is a large scale ecological disaster.

And i won't even get started on how the oil companies would love to see us using oil well into the year 3000 if they could, and do everything they can to keep it going.
 
2013-10-20 06:47:17 PM  
Nothing screams "bunch of hippies stuck in the 70's" like naming the detainees 'the Arctic 30'.
 
2013-10-20 07:01:54 PM  
""I would ask [the Russians] to open a dictionary and read the definition of piracy," she said."

UN definition of piracy
Piracy consists of any of the following acts:
(a) any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation, committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed on the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft

Yup, sounds like the Russians were entirely in the right then.
 
2013-10-20 07:03:50 PM  

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South Park Episode FTW

 
2013-10-20 07:03:50 PM  

Cheops: Pro-tip:  Do not board vessels that you are not invited on.


SVenus: This just in: If you try to board a vessel on the open ocean against the wishes of those in charge of said vessel, you can be considered a pirate.


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"But I don't want to be a pirate."
 
2013-10-20 07:04:08 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Nonsense. Not a single oil spill has been caused by protesters,


That's not how workplace hazards work, and it's not what I said.  The fact that you can't find a single incident of a construction site accident being caused by naked macarena dancers doesn't mean that dancing naked through an active hard-hat zone isn't a stupid thing to do that puts everyone at risk.

The only  effective ways to "do something about the oil companies" are direct legal restrictions and civil action, protesting doesn't do a single motherfarking thing and doing it in an active work zone is actively counterproductive.  Civil disobedience does not apply to things that don't require your direct participation.
 
2013-10-20 07:17:15 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: ""I would ask [the Russians] to open a dictionary and read the definition of piracy," she said."

UN definition of piracy
Piracy consists of any of the following acts:
(a) any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation, committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed on the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft

Yup, sounds like the Russians were entirely in the right then.


There's no love lost between me and Green Peace, but by that definition they didn't commit piracy. There was no violence, detention, or depredation by the crunchy hippies. Trespassing, yes.
 
2013-10-20 07:18:22 PM  
I hope the Russians lock these Greenpeace clowns in jail for piracy for a minimum of 20 years.
 
2013-10-20 07:22:41 PM  
So his daughter is at a liberal farts college probably a liberal tarts major.  Maybe she can send daddy a couple of books from her World Lit 101 reading list to help the time go by.  I'd recommend these two:

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2013-10-20 07:24:08 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: You all sit back and agree oil spills and the oil industry is evil, yet bash the only people actively trying to do something about it. And don't give me that "well, i once wrote a letter to a congressman asking him nicely to stop backing big oil" stuff.


Nice straw man.

Greenpeace is by far not the only people trying to do something about it. Many groups out there, many of whom are far more effective and far more reasonable (and far less like arrogant, law-breaking assholes).
 
2013-10-20 07:26:01 PM  

HotWingAgenda: To The Escape Zeppelin!: ""I would ask [the Russians] to open a dictionary and read the definition of piracy," she said."

UN definition of piracy
Piracy consists of any of the following acts:
(a) any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation, committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed on the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft

Yup, sounds like the Russians were entirely in the right then.

There's no love lost between me and Green Peace, but by that definition they didn't commit piracy. There was no violence, detention, or depredation by the crunchy hippies. Trespassing, yes.


But what is Russia's definition of piracy? It was their rig, they are prosecuting the greenpeacers under their laws. Who cares what the laws of any other entity are....
 
2013-10-20 07:27:10 PM  

Jim_Callahan: The only effective ways to "do something about the oil companies" are direct legal restrictions and civil action, protesting doesn't do a single motherfarking thing and doing it in an active work zone is actively counterproductive. Civil disobedience does not apply to things that don't require your direct participation.


The oil companies have fortified themselves against legal and civil action. They are sacred cows to government. I agree standing around on the street with placards accomplishes nothing. But at least these guys are trying something more active and getting into the thick of things, even if it is also ultimately futile.

I also don't agree with violence, if people are thinking i'm leaning that way. I think public education should be the focus, but it's awfully hard when people accept anything they see on TV with no judgement, and those TVs are propaganda mouthpieces for oil companies.
 
2013-10-20 07:34:16 PM  

Deedeemarz: HotWingAgenda: To The Escape Zeppelin!: ""I would ask [the Russians] to open a dictionary and read the definition of piracy," she said."

UN definition of piracy
Piracy consists of any of the following acts:
(a) any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation, committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed on the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft

Yup, sounds like the Russians were entirely in the right then.

There's no love lost between me and Green Peace, but by that definition they didn't commit piracy. There was no violence, detention, or depredation by the crunchy hippies. Trespassing, yes.

But what is Russia's definition of piracy? It was their rig, they are prosecuting the greenpeacers under their laws. Who cares what the laws of any other entity are....


Vladimir Putin himself publicly made a statement that they did not commit any act of piracy.
 
2013-10-20 07:39:19 PM  

Deedeemarz: But what is Russia's definition of piracy? It was their rig, they are prosecuting the greenpeacers under their laws. Who cares what the laws of any other entity are....


Um, quibble: Lots of countries have laws on the books that we would (or at least should) find odious and worthy of challenge. I don't know you enough (or at all, really) to guess at what might drive you to care, if anything, but many do care about unjust laws enforced by 'other entities', and this isn't a bad thing.

/  Otherwise, I'll say only that the Greenpeacers acted stupidly. The Russian legal system is well known to be intolerant of protesters.
 
2013-10-20 07:43:39 PM  

MooseUpNorth: The Russian legal system is well known to be intolerant of protesters.


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2013-10-20 07:54:52 PM  

mikeray: I am totally shocked by these reasonable posts. Do you farking people realize you are on fark.com?


You do realize that you have just made a reasonable post?
 
2013-10-20 08:11:21 PM  
FTFA:

On September 18, two Greenpeace activists from the Arctic Sunrise attempted to scale an oil rig operated by the Russian energy Gazprom. They were planning to protest against Gazprom's plans to drill for oil in the Arctic Ocean.


This is all I need to know. Trespass on private property you go to jail. No ifs ands or buts. And yes property isn't theft.
 
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