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2013-10-20 05:21:12 PM  
List fails for not including the cloud of jellybabies around #4.
 
2013-10-20 06:06:01 PM  

Rusty Shackleford: List fails for not including the cloud of jellybabies around #4.




The things you mat have missed....not obvious things.
 
2013-10-20 06:07:14 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Rusty Shackleford: List fails for not including the cloud of jellybabies around #4.

The things you mat have missed....not obvious things.




Or may have missed....
 
2013-10-20 06:13:14 PM  
I wouldn't say 'missing it,' Bob.
 
2013-10-20 06:25:23 PM  
I'm afraid Moffat will have spent so much time assembling trivial details for this trailer that there just won't be any left to fix the gaping plot hole that will be in the actual special.
 
2013-10-20 06:35:51 PM  
I didnt see Paul Mcgann
 
2013-10-20 06:37:54 PM  

BalugaJoe: I didnt see Paul Mcgann


He's there, off to the left around the Eccelston part
 
2013-10-20 07:01:18 PM  

poot_rootbeer: I'm afraid Moffat will have spent so much time assembling trivial details for this trailer that there just won't be any left to fix the gaping plot hole that will be in the actual special.


Yes, because it's not like there can possibly be a Doctor Who thread without someone coming in and unnecessarily biatching about Moffat.  Especially about something they haven't even seen yet.
 
2013-10-20 07:10:39 PM  
The Most Important Leaf in the Universe

Of course there's no possible way it could have been any of the other billions of maple leaves in the universe.
 
2013-10-20 07:15:17 PM  
Paul McGann apparently spent 40 minutes doing voice over work in an effort to mimic Matt Smith's speech:

https://twitter.com/pauljmcgann/status/385824692692852736

"Spent forty minutes this pm having to imitate Matt Smith's dramatic delivery in VO. You have been warned.... "

If you listen very closely, you can hear his voice echo Smith's in some places of the trailer.
 
2013-10-20 09:05:57 PM  
After the intro to The Name of The Doctor and the amount of work put into this trailer I think we are in for one hell of a show.
 
2013-10-20 09:12:10 PM  

cretinbob: After the intro to The Name of The Doctor and the amount of work put into this trailer I think we are in for one hell of a show.


I can't wait to see what they've done.  I am extremely excited to see how they deal with Trenzalore and the possibility of the Doctor being out of regenerations.
 
2013-10-20 09:14:56 PM  
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2013-10-20 09:21:25 PM  
I'm starting to regard McGann as my favourite.
 
2013-10-20 09:32:46 PM  
Can we get the McGann mini-episode already?
 
2013-10-20 09:40:35 PM  

bborchar: cretinbob: After the intro to The Name of The Doctor and the amount of work put into this trailer I think we are in for one hell of a show.

I can't wait to see what they've done.  I am extremely excited to see how they deal with Trenzalore and the possibility of the Doctor being out of regenerations.


I don't know why people keep bringing this up.  There's no possibility; it's been established through both the classic and the new series that the limit on regenerations doesn't really exist.
 
2013-10-20 09:55:26 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: bborchar: cretinbob: After the intro to The Name of The Doctor and the amount of work put into this trailer I think we are in for one hell of a show.

I can't wait to see what they've done.  I am extremely excited to see how they deal with Trenzalore and the possibility of the Doctor being out of regenerations.

I don't know why people keep bringing this up.  There's no possibility; it's been established through both the classic and the new series that the limit on regenerations doesn't really exist.


Except for all of those stories dealing with the Master trying to find a loophole around being out of regenerations. And the Valeyard trying to steal the Doctor's regenerations in Trial of a Timelord.

Enforcing the regeneration limit in the new series just makes sense from a dramatic point of view. Sure it is guaranteed to be handwaved away, but you'd want to build a good story arc around it first to explore the dramatic possibilities.

/Unless, of course, you kill off the Doctor for real and have another Time Lord take up "The Name of the Doctor."
 
2013-10-20 10:05:48 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Except for all of those stories dealing with the Master trying to find a loophole around being out of regenerations. And the Valeyard trying to steal the Doctor's regenerations in Trial of a Timelord.


The limit was controlled by the Timelords themselves, so no one Timelord could become too great.
With the Timelords gone, all bets are off.
 
2013-10-20 10:08:10 PM  

BalugaJoe: I didnt see Paul Mcgann


He's there.

Uploading your video. 33 minutes remaining. Your video will be live at: http://youtu.be/Esea7aAPoz0

so yeah, wait
 
2013-10-20 10:09:31 PM  

cretinbob: Mad_Radhu: Except for all of those stories dealing with the Master trying to find a loophole around being out of regenerations. And the Valeyard trying to steal the Doctor's regenerations in Trial of a Timelord.

The limit was controlled by the Timelords themselves, so no one Timelord could become too great.
With the Timelords gone, all bets are off.


Yep.  I get the sense that the regeneration "limit" was imposed by the Time Lords if one of them got too feisty (the Master, for example).  For those not causing too much trouble, or for those who know to do their bidding, then no problems.  Of course, both series have mentioned that the "limit" is imposed, or self-imposed.
 
2013-10-20 10:12:53 PM  

cretinbob: Mad_Radhu: Except for all of those stories dealing with the Master trying to find a loophole around being out of regenerations. And the Valeyard trying to steal the Doctor's regenerations in Trial of a Timelord.

The limit was controlled by the Timelords themselves, so no one Timelord could become too great.
With the Timelords gone, all bets are off.


Did they ever make that clear in the original series? It could be that 12 regenerations is the default for all Time Lords and more can be granted under special circumstances. With Gallifrey gone, the means to extend the regeneration cycle is gone, so the Doctor is screwed without the Time Lords around.

Plus, like I said, from a storytelling perspective, you shouldn't just handwave away a big plot point like that without giving us a few good storylines about dealing about resolving the problem.
 
2013-10-20 10:24:06 PM  

Mad_Radhu: cretinbob: Mad_Radhu: Except for all of those stories dealing with the Master trying to find a loophole around being out of regenerations. And the Valeyard trying to steal the Doctor's regenerations in Trial of a Timelord.

The limit was controlled by the Timelords themselves, so no one Timelord could become too great.
With the Timelords gone, all bets are off.

Did they ever make that clear in the original series? It could be that 12 regenerations is the default for all Time Lords and more can be granted under special circumstances. With Gallifrey gone, the means to extend the regeneration cycle is gone, so the Doctor is screwed without the Time Lords around.

Plus, like I said, from a storytelling perspective, you shouldn't just handwave away a big plot point like that without giving us a few good storylines about dealing about resolving the problem.


It was a throwaway line, from 10 or early 11 and I've been trying to find it. I can't quite remember the episode.

Of course Pertwee's Doctor was "Thousand of years old", Baker was...745ish and no one has an issue with 11 being 900ish.

I was just thinking though, maybe age is a function of regeneration.

//19 minutes. I slowed down the trailer to see all the stuff that went too fast.
 
2013-10-20 10:28:19 PM  

Mad_Radhu: whizbangthedirtfarmer: bborchar: cretinbob: After the intro to The Name of The Doctor and the amount of work put into this trailer I think we are in for one hell of a show.

I can't wait to see what they've done.  I am extremely excited to see how they deal with Trenzalore and the possibility of the Doctor being out of regenerations.

I don't know why people keep bringing this up.  There's no possibility; it's been established through both the classic and the new series that the limit on regenerations doesn't really exist.

Except for all of those stories dealing with the Master trying to find a loophole around being out of regenerations. And the Valeyard trying to steal the Doctor's regenerations in Trial of a Timelord.

Enforcing the regeneration limit in the new series just makes sense from a dramatic point of view. Sure it is guaranteed to be handwaved away, but you'd want to build a good story arc around it first to explore the dramatic possibilities.

/Unless, of course, you kill off the Doctor for real and have another Time Lord take up "The Name of the Doctor."


I think it would be a good idea too.  Until now, the Doctor has always known he has an escape hatch.  He can throw himself into the void knowing that there's a genetic reset button in play.  What happens when that's taken away and he becomes as mortal as the humans he loves so much?  Does it change him?  Does he become morose and serious?  Does he become overly cautious?  Do his enemies become emboldened at the possibility of a universe without a Doctor?  Or does he just try to run faster in a futile quest to escape fate?  There's lots of stories and themes to be exploited in that scenario, and because of the nature of Doctor Who, they can always retcon it away in the end.
 
2013-10-20 10:43:26 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: bborchar: cretinbob: After the intro to The Name of The Doctor and the amount of work put into this trailer I think we are in for one hell of a show.

I can't wait to see what they've done.  I am extremely excited to see how they deal with Trenzalore and the possibility of the Doctor being out of regenerations.

I don't know why people keep bringing this up.  There's no possibility; it's been established through both the classic and the new series that the limit on regenerations doesn't really exist.


Except that Moffat said "The Doctor can only regenerate 12 times.  Go back and check your DVDs because you've miscounted."

If you count John Hurt and 10's aborted regeneration, he's used them up.  There have also been numerous hints that he's at the end, as well:

1. There are no future incarnations of the Doctor in his timestream...only past ones.
2. His "body" is buried in the current theme of the TARDIS' console room.
3. The episodes where regeneration has been mentioned can be interpreted in a very different way than what we thought before:

-The Impossible Astronaut: Not his real body, it's the Teselecta.  He can program it to do whatever he wants it to do...I imagine he wanted to fool the Silence into thinking that he's really dead.
-Let's Kill Hitler: This is the biggest hint.  When he's dying, he asks the TARDIS' voice interface (in the guise of Amelia) "So I guess I'd better regenerate, right?" and Amelia replies "Regeneration disabled"...but she doesn't state why.  We just all assumed that it was because of the poison...but when you go back and listen again, it's easy to see that the left that out on purpose.  He probably asked as part of a last ditch effort to find a way to survive.
-Angels Take Manhattan: When he gives a little bit of energy to River to heal her broken wrist, she acts very, very cross with him.  Honestly, I always thought it was a bit of an overreaction on her part, but if she knows that he doesn't have the energy to give in the first place, that would explain everything.
-Nightmare in Silver: He tells the Cyberplanner that he can regenerate and burn out any cyber widgets in his brain, but it was a bluff.  Otherwise he would have had no way to stall the Cyberplanner long enough to defeat him.

Combine all of this with the fact that they said "This will set Doctor Who up for the next 50 years", I honestly believe that they are saying that this is his last regeneration and that they are going to wipe the slate clean, so to speak.  However, I would love to see them find a way to make him more 'mortal'...maybe he doesn't know how many regenerations he will have or if it will even work.  That would really add a different dimension to the character, in my mind.  Either way, I can't wait to see what happens.
 
2013-10-20 10:43:53 PM  
Here it is

Of course the cop walking by the gate to start the trailer is pretty cool
 
2013-10-20 10:54:11 PM  
cretinbob:Uploading your video. 33 minutes remaining. Your video will be live at: http://youtu.be/Esea7aAPoz0

Thanks, that was quite interesting to watch!
 
2013-10-20 11:13:26 PM  

Eidola: cretinbob:Uploading your video. 33 minutes remaining. Your video will be live at: http://youtu.be/Esea7aAPoz0

Thanks, that was quite interesting to watch!


There are soooo many things they crammed into that. I'm going to try annotations, but some things, like the baby carriage at the beginning, I remember....but I'm not sure where.

Oh, and McGann is behind the Ood.
 
2013-10-20 11:18:32 PM  
The Second Doctor said that regeneration was part of the TARDIS. The "twelve regenerations" rule was established by Robert Holmes, who established a hell of a lot of other stuff, including naming Gallifrey - much of which the new series has been quietly dismantling. In "The Brain of Morbius," additional faces are shown before the First Doctor's while the Time Lords are "wrestling," enough so that the Fifth Doctor would have been the last if those faces belonged to him and he was limited to twelve. The obvious implication is that the rest of the regenerations belonged to Morbius, but the dialogue doesn't hold that up. In an episode of the entirely canonical "Sarah Jane Adventures," the Doctor told Clyde that he had "507 regenerations" in a tone of voice that suggested a throwaway line. And the Master was given a whole new set during the Time War. The rule itself wasn't cited until the series' thirteenth season.

Prolix point being that there's always been a bit of mud around the issue of exactly how many lives the Doctor has. I may have been able to recite the above from memory, but even I'm not fanboy enough to pitch a wobbly if they decide to have a "fourteenth Doctor." "Twelve regenerations" seems flexible; "twelve regenerations is a rule etched in stone" seems to be fanboy imaginings.
 
2013-10-20 11:19:33 PM  
Is that Rose standing with her back to the camera way to the left of the 9th doctor?  I think it's before you spot the 8th doctor, but my doctor knowledge is bad before the current reboot (please be kind).
 
2013-10-20 11:20:00 PM  

bborchar: cretinbob: After the intro to The Name of The Doctor and the amount of work put into this trailer I think we are in for one hell of a show.

I can't wait to see what they've done.  I am extremely excited to see how they deal with Trenzalore and the possibility of the Doctor being out of regenerations.


Holy crap. If it's possible, that post made me less excited about it. I think the shark has been jumped for Nu-who. I'll be in the corner, muttering about awful show running until Moffat is replaced.
 
2013-10-20 11:20:57 PM  

Oh-Blonde-One: Is that Rose standing with her back to the camera way to the left of the 9th doctor?  I think it's before you spot the 8th doctor, but my doctor knowledge is bad before the current reboot (please be kind).


Yeah I'm pretty sure, with the Ood.
 
2013-10-20 11:21:42 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: cretinbob: Mad_Radhu: Except for all of those stories dealing with the Master trying to find a loophole around being out of regenerations. And the Valeyard trying to steal the Doctor's regenerations in Trial of a Timelord.

The limit was controlled by the Timelords themselves, so no one Timelord could become too great.
With the Timelords gone, all bets are off.

Yep.  I get the sense that the regeneration "limit" was imposed by the Time Lords if one of them got too feisty (the Master, for example).  For those not causing too much trouble, or for those who know to do their bidding, then no problems.  Of course, both series have mentioned that the "limit" is imposed, or self-imposed.


I was under the impression it was a biological/physical limit that was set by Rassilon.  I'd really like to see it dealt with as opposed to hand waved away.  Also, at some point, I'd like to have both the TARDIS theme room (the Doctor's body being buried there as opposed to burned) and the Doctor's greatest fear (the hotel episode) exposed.
 
2013-10-20 11:31:51 PM  

Hebalo: bborchar: cretinbob: After the intro to The Name of The Doctor and the amount of work put into this trailer I think we are in for one hell of a show.

I can't wait to see what they've done.  I am extremely excited to see how they deal with Trenzalore and the possibility of the Doctor being out of regenerations.

Holy crap. If it's possible, that post made me less excited about it. I think the shark has been jumped for Nu-who. I'll be in the corner, muttering about awful show running until Moffat is replaced.


Why would it be jumping the shark?  He's already technically at 10...he would only have 2 more to go in any case.  Throw in a hidden Time War incarnation plus 10's aborted regeneration (where he still actually used up the energy, he just siphoned it off before he could change physically), then you have the limit reached.  I don't see how that's really going overboard when the possibility has been there all along.
 
2013-10-20 11:33:12 PM  

Confabulat: Oh-Blonde-One: Is that Rose standing with her back to the camera way to the left of the 9th doctor?  I think it's before you spot the 8th doctor, but my doctor knowledge is bad before the current reboot (please be kind).

Yeah I'm pretty sure, with the Ood.


Thank you!
 
2013-10-21 12:12:36 AM  

bborchar: Hebalo: bborchar: cretinbob: After the intro to The Name of The Doctor and the amount of work put into this trailer I think we are in for one hell of a show.

I can't wait to see what they've done.  I am extremely excited to see how they deal with Trenzalore and the possibility of the Doctor being out of regenerations.

Holy crap. If it's possible, that post made me less excited about it. I think the shark has been jumped for Nu-who. I'll be in the corner, muttering about awful show running until Moffat is replaced.

Why would it be jumping the shark?  He's already technically at 10...he would only have 2 more to go in any case.  Throw in a hidden Time War incarnation plus 10's aborted regeneration (where he still actually used up the energy, he just siphoned it off before he could change physically), then you have the limit reached.  I don't see how that's really going overboard when the possibility has been there all along.


You both misunderstand my comment and prove my point. The show is now 100% about the writers trying (and failing) to prove how clever they are.
 
2013-10-21 12:14:40 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: cretinbob: Mad_Radhu: Except for all of those stories dealing with the Master trying to find a loophole around being out of regenerations. And the Valeyard trying to steal the Doctor's regenerations in Trial of a Timelord.

The limit was controlled by the Timelords themselves, so no one Timelord could become too great.
With the Timelords gone, all bets are off.

Yep.  I get the sense that the regeneration "limit" was imposed by the Time Lords if one of them got too feisty (the Master, for example).  For those not causing too much trouble, or for those who know to do their bidding, then no problems.  Of course, both series have mentioned that the "limit" is imposed, or self-imposed.


I also just watched the Tennant/Smith regeneration last night- The Ood appeared right before the final moments. "We will sing to you, Doctor. The universe will sing you to your sleep. This song is ending, but the story never ends."

Story never ends. It's right there- the regeneration limit has been kicked to the curb. But since it was at the end The End of Time, which is a story I don't think many people watch much, I'm not sure it was noticed. But there it is, the Davies/ Moffat handover, and they're both saying the Doctor's story never ends. I really don't understand why anybody thinks that this is going to be an issue for them.
 
2013-10-21 12:21:26 AM  
Know what I didn't miss?

NEEEEEERDS!


/Doctor Who fan.
//Still...my GOD, people.
 
2013-10-21 12:37:47 AM  

cptjeff: whizbangthedirtfarmer: cretinbob: Mad_Radhu: Except for all of those stories dealing with the Master trying to find a loophole around being out of regenerations. And the Valeyard trying to steal the Doctor's regenerations in Trial of a Timelord.

The limit was controlled by the Timelords themselves, so no one Timelord could become too great.
With the Timelords gone, all bets are off.

Yep.  I get the sense that the regeneration "limit" was imposed by the Time Lords if one of them got too feisty (the Master, for example).  For those not causing too much trouble, or for those who know to do their bidding, then no problems.  Of course, both series have mentioned that the "limit" is imposed, or self-imposed.

I also just watched the Tennant/Smith regeneration last night- The Ood appeared right before the final moments. "We will sing to you, Doctor. The universe will sing you to your sleep. This song is ending, but the story never ends."

Story never ends. It's right there- the regeneration limit has been kicked to the curb. But since it was at the end The End of Time, which is a story I don't think many people watch much, I'm not sure it was noticed. But there it is, the Davies/ Moffat handover, and they're both saying the Doctor's story never ends. I really don't understand why anybody thinks that this is going to be an issue for them.


There is a 0% chance that they are going to let running out of regenerations stop the show. They WILL find a way around it, but not before they make a big dramatic storyline about the Doctor being on his last life. Ignoring it or cheaply hand waving it away doesn't make sense when you have a potentially compelling story handed to you on a silver platter for either the end of the 11th or 12th Doctor's tenure, depending on how the regenerations are counted.
 
2013-10-21 12:53:04 AM  

Hebalo: bborchar: Hebalo: bborchar: cretinbob: After the intro to The Name of The Doctor and the amount of work put into this trailer I think we are in for one hell of a show.

I can't wait to see what they've done.  I am extremely excited to see how they deal with Trenzalore and the possibility of the Doctor being out of regenerations.

Holy crap. If it's possible, that post made me less excited about it. I think the shark has been jumped for Nu-who. I'll be in the corner, muttering about awful show running until Moffat is replaced.

Why would it be jumping the shark?  He's already technically at 10...he would only have 2 more to go in any case.  Throw in a hidden Time War incarnation plus 10's aborted regeneration (where he still actually used up the energy, he just siphoned it off before he could change physically), then you have the limit reached.  I don't see how that's really going overboard when the possibility has been there all along.

You both misunderstand my comment and prove my point. The show is now 100% about the writers trying (and failing) to prove how clever they are.


Uhh, sure...if you say so.  Feel free to actually elaborate your problem with running out of regenerations, since the limit itself was put into play in the classic era.  How DARE they use canon to provide drama for a 50 year old show!  It's scandalous!

...or maybe it's a great plot point to bring up and resolve at the anniversary episode :p  It's not as if they are going to kill him off and cancel the show, so it's OBVIOUS they work a way around it instead of relying on "oh, the Time Lords are dead, so he's free of the limit" crap...which is frankly boring because that would make him immortal and immortality is boring for a main character.  Without the fear and risk of death, there is no real drama.  So be condescending and patronizing if you want, but if you want to do so, explain your point first.
 
2013-10-21 12:56:16 AM  
Slightly off the regenerations topic:

The article noted that the first episode "An Unearthly Child" was broadcast at 5.16pm on November 23rd.
And the 50 Anniversary episode is slated for November 23rd.

Any chance there will be a special broadcast at 5.16pm on that day?
 
2013-10-21 01:27:53 AM  

BalugaJoe: I didnt see Paul Mcgann


He's in the picture of the  Empress of The Racnoss on the page you just looked at.
 
2013-10-21 01:29:45 AM  
The Key to Time was featured quite a lot. It may be what was used to create the Time Lock.
 
2013-10-21 01:36:54 AM  
I think Moffat is brilliant, Matt Smith plays the Doctor spectaculary and i'm excited for Peter Capaldi's Doctor.
 
2013-10-21 02:06:11 AM  
Oh please. I'm a REAL Doctor Who fan.

Notice the TARDIS key? PSH.  I still have my replica necklace I got at the 20th anniversary celebration in Chicago, thanks.

/Wore it to work a few weeks ago, in fact
 
2013-10-21 02:09:11 AM  

bborchar: How DARE they use canon to provide drama for a 50 year old show! It's scandalous!


except the cannon isn't entirely clear, plus it's not like they haven't tweaked and altered things a plenty over the last 50 years.
 
2013-10-21 02:13:19 AM  
How about Adric and Wesley Crusher whining to each other about how everyone hates them more.
 
2013-10-21 06:26:32 AM  

cptjeff: whizbangthedirtfarmer: cretinbob: Mad_Radhu: Except for all of those stories dealing with the Master trying to find a loophole around being out of regenerations. And the Valeyard trying to steal the Doctor's regenerations in Trial of a Timelord.

The limit was controlled by the Timelords themselves, so no one Timelord could become too great.
With the Timelords gone, all bets are off.

Yep.  I get the sense that the regeneration "limit" was imposed by the Time Lords if one of them got too feisty (the Master, for example).  For those not causing too much trouble, or for those who know to do their bidding, then no problems.  Of course, both series have mentioned that the "limit" is imposed, or self-imposed.

I also just watched the Tennant/Smith regeneration last night- The Ood appeared right before the final moments. "We will sing to you, Doctor. The universe will sing you to your sleep. This song is ending, but the story never ends."

Story never ends. It's right there- the regeneration limit has been kicked to the curb. But since it was at the end The End of Time, which is a story I don't think many people watch much, I'm not sure it was noticed. But there it is, the Davies/ Moffat handover, and they're both saying the Doctor's story never ends. I really don't understand why anybody thinks that this is going to be an issue for them.


We watched it Friday night.  If we'd have been watching that in a movie theater the whole crowd would have been on their feet crying and cheering as the movie ended, and we'd have been first ones up.

/best damned adventure/fantasy show ANYWHERE
 
2013-10-21 06:58:58 AM  

bborchar: whizbangthedirtfarmer: bborchar: cretinbob: After the intro to The Name of The Doctor and the amount of work put into this trailer I think we are in for one hell of a show.

I can't wait to see what they've done.  I am extremely excited to see how they deal with Trenzalore and the possibility of the Doctor being out of regenerations.

I don't know why people keep bringing this up.  There's no possibility; it's been established through both the classic and the new series that the limit on regenerations doesn't really exist.

Except that Moffat said "The Doctor can only regenerate 12 times.  Go back and check your DVDs because you've miscounted."

If you count John Hurt and 10's aborted regeneration, he's used them up.  There have also been numerous hints that he's at the end, as well:

1. There are no future incarnations of the Doctor in his timestream...only past ones.
2. His "body" is buried in the current theme of the TARDIS' console room.
3. The episodes where regeneration has been mentioned can be interpreted in a very different way than what we thought before:

-The Impossible Astronaut: Not his real body, it's the Teselecta.  He can program it to do whatever he wants it to do...I imagine he wanted to fool the Silence into thinking that he's really dead.
-Let's Kill Hitler: This is the biggest hint.  When he's dying, he asks the TARDIS' voice interface (in the guise of Amelia) "So I guess I'd better regenerate, right?" and Amelia replies "Regeneration disabled"...but she doesn't state why.  We just all assumed that it was because of the poison...but when you go back and listen again, it's easy to see that the left that out on purpose.  He probably asked as part of a last ditch effort to find a way to survive.
-Angels Take Manhattan: When he gives a little bit of energy to River to heal her broken wrist, she acts very, very cross with him.  Honestly, I always thought it was a bit of an overreaction on her part, but if she knows that he doesn't have the energy to ...


It is really easy to undercut all of this.  The Classic series clearly indicates that the Doctor had several incarnations BEFORE Hartnell.  So, the regeneration limit talk is Moffat talking out of his ass, and he knows it, because he does know a lot about the Classic series.

This could be really awesome, but it isn't going to be, I'm afraid.  Also, all of your theories overlook the presence of Tennant.  I'm going to guess that the half-human Tennant was the one that regenerated, and the real Doctor went to the alternate universe for some Rose lovin'.

Stupid, yes?  So it is easily within the realm of Moffat.
 
2013-10-21 07:34:32 AM  

Seequinn: Any chance there will be a special broadcast at 5.16pm on that day?


I could see the BBC re-runnning the original serial.
 
2013-10-21 08:43:31 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: bborchar: whizbangthedirtfarmer: bborchar: cretinbob: After the intro to The Name of The Doctor and the amount of work put into this trailer I think we are in for one hell of a show.

I can't wait to see what they've done.  I am extremely excited to see how they deal with Trenzalore and the possibility of the Doctor being out of regenerations.

I don't know why people keep bringing this up.  There's no possibility; it's been established through both the classic and the new series that the limit on regenerations doesn't really exist.

Except that Moffat said "The Doctor can only regenerate 12 times.  Go back and check your DVDs because you've miscounted."

If you count John Hurt and 10's aborted regeneration, he's used them up.  There have also been numerous hints that he's at the end, as well:

1. There are no future incarnations of the Doctor in his timestream...only past ones.
2. His "body" is buried in the current theme of the TARDIS' console room.
3. The episodes where regeneration has been mentioned can be interpreted in a very different way than what we thought before:

-The Impossible Astronaut: Not his real body, it's the Teselecta.  He can program it to do whatever he wants it to do...I imagine he wanted to fool the Silence into thinking that he's really dead.
-Let's Kill Hitler: This is the biggest hint.  When he's dying, he asks the TARDIS' voice interface (in the guise of Amelia) "So I guess I'd better regenerate, right?" and Amelia replies "Regeneration disabled"...but she doesn't state why.  We just all assumed that it was because of the poison...but when you go back and listen again, it's easy to see that the left that out on purpose.  He probably asked as part of a last ditch effort to find a way to survive.
-Angels Take Manhattan: When he gives a little bit of energy to River to heal her broken wrist, she acts very, very cross with him.  Honestly, I always thought it was a bit of an overreaction on her part, but if she knows that he doesn't have the energy to ...

It is really easy to undercut all of this.  The Classic series clearly indicates that the Doctor had several incarnations BEFORE Hartnell.  So, the regeneration limit talk is Moffat talking out of his ass, and he knows it, because he does know a lot about the Classic series.

This could be really awesome, but it isn't going to be, I'm afraid.  Also, all of your theories overlook the presence of Tennant.  I'm going to guess that the half-human Tennant was the one that regenerated, and the real Doctor went to the alternate universe for some Rose lovin'.

Stupid, yes?  So it is easily within the realm of Moffat.


The canon has said the following at one point or another:

1. Hartnell was the first regeneration
2. Hartnell wasn't the first regeneration
3. The Doctor can regenerate 12 times
4. The Doctor can regenerate 507 times
5. The regeneration limit is a false one imposed by the Time Lords
6. The Time Lords can grant more regenerations
7. The Doctor is half human
8. The Doctor is not half human

Etc etc etc

Basically, there's no 'right' or 'wrong' answer, according to the show. So it's completely up to the show runner to determine which canon to use and which canon to not use. He has chosen the standard 12 regeneration limit. And it seems that he's going with Hartnell as the first incarnation, which is the standard, as well, because the Doctor would already be out of regenerations if "The Brain if Morbius" is to be believed (that Tom Baker was the 8th). The series has conveniently ignored that for years, so I will, too.

I don't have the faintest clue why you would think that the real Doctor would have gone to the parallel universe and the human Doctor 'regenerated'...considering that they plainly stated "He can't regenerate" and that he only had one heart (Matt Smith's Doctor had two). "This could be really awesome, but it isn't going to be, I'm afraid"- what good does prejudging it do? Are you afraid you might like it so you're steeling yourself by coming up with ridiculous ideas and saying "this is something stupid so Moffat would definitely do that!" I'll wait to watch it before I pass judgment.
 
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