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(Daily Mail)   If you don't attend Jury Duty you go to jail, but bringing your infant that you have no where else to leave, also goes to jail, but if you left the baby alone...You can't win in Missouri   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 131
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2013-10-20 03:01:21 PM
DRTFA but couldn't you call the court and ask them to reschedule you jury duty time or see if they can get you out of it?

I got out of Grand jury duty in my home town because I was on the other side of the state with no ride home.

/Had to sit on another Grand Jury a year later in my college town
//It was fun
 
2013-10-20 03:20:09 PM

Aar1012: DRTFA but couldn't you call the court and ask them to reschedule you jury duty time or see if they can get you out of it?

I got out of Grand jury duty in my home town because I was on the other side of the state with no ride home.

/Had to sit on another Grand Jury a year later in my college town
//It was fun


I was wondering the same thing.  In NYC, I've requested postponements because I was in college at the time.  I think the postponement is either 6 months or a year.
 
2013-10-20 03:32:34 PM
I actually got jury duty in one county despite 1) having my drivers license in a different state and 2) being registered to vote in the different state.  Not to mention, when I did live in the county where I got summoned, I was already on a jury and exempt from JD for 5 years, it was only 2 years later.

They just didn't get it.
 
2013-10-20 03:32:42 PM
I assume this is another one of those "getting punished for being poor" kind of things that we've heard so much about lately.
 
2013-10-20 03:37:43 PM
She should demand a jury trial just to keep the derp circle going.
 
2013-10-20 03:37:53 PM

HMS_Blinkin: I assume this is another one of those "getting punished for being poor" kind of things that we've heard so much about lately.


No. It's some twit that didn't follow directions and thinks she doesn't have to. You have the option to state your case to be dismissed. But...you have to do it a week or so before you have to report.

Sorry your libtard class warfare does not apply.
 
2013-10-20 03:38:20 PM
Having to take care of your infant seems like a perfectly valid reason to be exempt from jury duty. Move on to the next person on the list.

Some judges just seriously have a God complex and need to be removed from office.
 
GBB
2013-10-20 03:38:44 PM

RodneyToady: Aar1012: DRTFA but couldn't you call the court and ask them to reschedule you jury duty time or see if they can get you out of it?

I got out of Grand jury duty in my home town because I was on the other side of the state with no ride home.

/Had to sit on another Grand Jury a year later in my college town
//It was fun

I was wondering the same thing.  In NYC, I've requested postponements because I was in college at the time.  I think the postponement is either 6 months or a year.


Apparently, breastfeeding mothers are exempt from jury duty in 12 states.  Misery is not one of those 12.  I'm going to go out on a limb and say she did try considering they told her that she should being someone with her to watch the infant during jury duty.  Of course, no one considered that if she could find someone to come along, then they could have watched the kid from home.

I'd love to see her bring in the media and show that the court is ridiculous for their actions.
 
2013-10-20 03:38:55 PM

Aar1012: DRTFA but couldn't you call the court and ask them to reschedule you jury duty time or see if they can get you out of it?

I got out of Grand jury duty in my home town because I was on the other side of the state with no ride home.

/Had to sit on another Grand Jury a year later in my college town
//It was fun


She tried.  Was told that she could either bring a caregiver and feed during breaks, or pump during breaks to take home.

She says she has 'no childcare options'.  If true, I feel bad for her, but don't you at least know one other parent in town who'd be willing to trade off kids during emergencies?  She lives in a large suburb of Kansas City - she doesn't know *anybody* in the neighborhood or church or whatever that could help her out?
 
2013-10-20 03:40:12 PM
I've had jury duty numerous times and, say what you will about Texas, a nursing mother is AUTOMATICALLY exempt. And I'd think the reason would be pretty farking obvious.
 
2013-10-20 03:40:36 PM
Why does the Daily Mail show a picture of the Jackson County Courthouse in Sylva, North Carolina? It isn't that hard to find a picture of the Jackson County Courthouse in the story, the one in Kansas City, Missouri.
 
2013-10-20 03:41:19 PM
You tell them you're a caregiver and they excuse you.

That's how it works in the real world, but not as dramatic as the stupid drama that being stupid produces.
 
2013-10-20 03:43:00 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: I actually got jury duty in one county despite 1) having my drivers license in a different state and 2) being registered to vote in the different state.  Not to mention, when I did live in the county where I got summoned, I was already on a jury and exempt from JD for 5 years, it was only 2 years later.

They just didn't get it.


I moved from one state to another, and months after I established my new residence with all means possible I had a warrant taken out on me for failing to show up for jurory duty in the first state. There was no notice sent to my old address. My parents were still living there, and tried straightening it out for me. They said I had to appear in person to take care of it. Like I am going to trust them on that.
 
2013-10-20 03:43:22 PM
Mother with a newborn.

Let her go on a later term, don't be an asshole.
 
2013-10-20 03:44:36 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: You tell them you're a caregiver and they excuse you.


^That's exactly how it works in Dallas, TX.

/ cannot yet vouch for Albuquerque, NM - haven't been called upon to serve here.
 
2013-10-20 03:44:46 PM
Why does the Daily Fail continually get linked for U.S. stories?
 
2013-10-20 03:45:10 PM
No curb your enthusiasm references? Fark, I am disappoint.
 
2013-10-20 03:45:40 PM

FrancoFile: Aar1012: DRTFA but couldn't you call the court and ask them to reschedule you jury duty time or see if they can get you out of it?

I got out of Grand jury duty in my home town because I was on the other side of the state with no ride home.

/Had to sit on another Grand Jury a year later in my college town
//It was fun

She tried.  Was told that she could either bring a caregiver and feed during breaks, or pump during breaks to take home.

She says she has 'no childcare options'.  If true, I feel bad for her, but don't you at least know one other parent in town who'd be willing to trade off kids during emergencies?  She lives in a large suburb of Kansas City - she doesn't know *anybody* in the neighborhood or church or whatever that could help her out?


I understand that the local Catholic Priest did!  You don't have kids, do you?
 
2013-10-20 03:46:34 PM

Aar1012: DRTFA but couldn't you call the court and ask them to reschedule you jury duty time or see if they can get you out of it?

I got out of Grand jury duty in my home town because I was on the other side of the state with no ride home.

/Had to sit on another Grand Jury a year later in my college town
//It was fun


Well, I DidRTFA and yes, she did call, and no, they told her tough shiat, find the money for a sitter and pump.

It's bullshiat all around. The judge should be held accountable. They should have one of those nurse-ins at the courthouse.
 
2013-10-20 03:47:02 PM
She should have gone and called everyone a "honkey"
 
2013-10-20 03:49:03 PM
The judge, of course, would immediately excuse a man with prostate problems who had to urinate too often.
 
2013-10-20 03:49:59 PM
Yeah, because infants are totally willing to be patient and wait for when it's convenient for adults to feed them. My daughter wouldn't even take a bottle at all. A small percentage of babies actively refuse to take bottles and another article about this case indicated this is true for the baby involved.

I would probably get stuck in this same situation (sure, I know plenty of people to help out, but having them come down to the courthouse to hang out with their babies/small kids as well is a stretch) except that I have enough money to pay a non-parent to go with me if I needed to. What a pain in the ass that would be though.
 
2013-10-20 03:50:17 PM

fstop: HMS_Blinkin: I assume this is another one of those "getting punished for being poor" kind of things that we've heard so much about lately.

No. It's some twit that didn't follow directions and thinks she doesn't have to...


How absurd that you think she is being punished for being poor!   All she had to do was pay a lawyer to research the appropriate statute and present an IRAC request to the court!  Oh, wait....

Well, she could have flown her out of state relative in to care for her child while...oh, right.

Something, something buy breast pump, pay someone, never mind.
 
2013-10-20 03:50:21 PM

FrancoFile: Aar1012: DRTFA but couldn't you call the court and ask them to reschedule you jury duty time or see if they can get you out of it?

I got out of Grand jury duty in my home town because I was on the other side of the state with no ride home.

/Had to sit on another Grand Jury a year later in my college town
//It was fun

She tried.  Was told that she could either bring a caregiver and feed during breaks, or pump during breaks to take home.

She says she has 'no childcare options'.  If true, I feel bad for her, but don't you at least know one other parent in town who'd be willing to trade off kids during emergencies?  She lives in a large suburb of Kansas City - she doesn't know *anybody* in the neighborhood or church or whatever that could help her out?


Why should she? Who the hell puts up with that kind of onerous imposition? It's hard enough to get some family member to drive you to the airport.
 
2013-10-20 03:51:01 PM
Mom was an idiot and the judge is a douche. Mom was told she needed to find a babysitter or bring someone, with plenty of notice to do so. She opted not to.

However, not excusing a mom with a baby is just power tripping. With all the lame excuses judges accept, he couldn't take this one?

They both need a kick in the butt.
 
2013-10-20 03:51:24 PM
I learned today thet "Axel" is a gender-neutral name. Whodathunkit?
 
2013-10-20 03:56:39 PM

Gyrfalcon: Mom was an idiot and the judge is a douche. Mom was told she needed to find a babysitter or bring someone, with plenty of notice to do so. She opted not to.

However, not excusing a mom with a baby is just power tripping. With all the lame excuses judges accept, he couldn't take this one?

They both need a kick in the butt.


Assuming the family had the means to hire a competent sitter.
 
2013-10-20 03:57:08 PM

Aar1012: DRTFA but couldn't you call the court and ask them to reschedule you jury duty time or see if they can get you out of it?

I got out of Grand jury duty in my home town because I was on the other side of the state with no ride home.

/Had to sit on another Grand Jury a year later in my college town
//It was fun


good chance she had already asked to be postponed. If you're postponed have to show up again sometime within the next six months, by which time her childcare issues aren't necessarily solved.

I completely sympathize with this poor woman. I care for my baby part time and work part time. I received a summons earlier this year, but only full-time caregivers are exempt, so I was expected to show up. For a full week's service. With no family within 3,000 miles, and all my friends holding down full-time jobs. Meaning I would have needed to hire a babysitter, at $15-$18 an hour. For a 7-hour jury day, that's just absurd. Luckily my group number was never called, so I never had to report for duty, but it was a stressful waiting period.
 
2013-10-20 03:57:40 PM

Gyrfalcon: Mom was an idiot and the judge is a douche. Mom was told she needed to find a babysitter or bring someone, with plenty of notice to do so. She opted not to.


So she's supposed to pay for someone to watch her kid so she can do jury duty?  Because the court isn't paying.  You're lucky if you get a basic meal voucher and parking for your day/week.  If she lives near grandparents, great, if not, what?  Fark her?

No. This one's all on Judge Cock.
 
2013-10-20 03:58:16 PM

RodneyToady: Aar1012: DRTFA but couldn't you call the court and ask them to reschedule you jury duty time or see if they can get you out of it?

I got out of Grand jury duty in my home town because I was on the other side of the state with no ride home.

/Had to sit on another Grand Jury a year later in my college town
//It was fun

I was wondering the same thing.  In NYC, I've requested postponements because I was in college at the time.  I think the postponement is either 6 months or a year.


She got a postponement while pregnant (in January).  This is the postponement come due.

I don't know; if there really is no good option for her that is unfortunate... but neither she nor her husband could arrange for a sitter or a day off for him after over 8 months of postponement and a month's warning on the second scheduled time?  It sounds like in arranging for a time and room to breastfeed, the court is attempting to accommodate her, and almost everyone has a reason they think means they cannot do jury duty.
 
2013-10-20 03:59:30 PM
If they can't afford a babysitter, why not just borrow from their parents?
 
2013-10-20 04:00:05 PM
Here's one I want an opinion on: I don't use my residential mailbox. I see the USPS as a major source of paper waste. I hold the reciprocal to the first amendment as a right, if I don't want to hear from an advertiser I don't need to look at their mail.
 
2013-10-20 04:01:03 PM

ErinPac: She got a postponement while pregnant (in January). This is the postponement come due.


Nope.

This is an asshole judge with a God complex who needs to be removed from office because he obviously lacks the ability to make good decisions.
 
2013-10-20 04:01:26 PM
Revenge of a sort: go ahead and serve, but vote to hang whatever jury they put you on.
 
GBB
2013-10-20 04:02:05 PM
My jury duty experience: I'm a 911 operator in my county and was summonsed for jury duty.  There is an automatic exemption for sworn law enforcement, but not for civilian employees.  I called, wasn't excused.  Jury duty was on a day that I was supposed to work, so I got paid for this.  After instructions in the jury waiting room, the judge asks everyone that thinks they need to be excused to form a line and the judge would hear their argument.  I waited until the very end and approached the judge and explained it simply.  She said no.  I waited the entire day in that waiting room as group after group was called to various court rooms for the selection process.  I was in the last group to be seen.  The State and Defendant were present with counsel, of course.  A different judge did his spiel about jury duty, the case, how the whole thing works, then asks us to give our names, with spellings, a general idea where we live in the county, and our occupation and if we know of anyone in law enforcement or if we know any of the participants or the case first hand.  I'm 7th in line and the other 6 sound like regular people.  I give my name, the apartment complex I lived in and said that I was a 911 operator.  The jurors in front of me all looked back at me, the Judge pops his head up from his notes like a meerkat, and both lawyers looked at me, then each other.  I had to think back to make sure I said "911 operator", not "child molester".  The judge asks where I work,  I tell him.  As if he doesn't believe me, he points in the general direction and says, "Across the street?".  "Yup".  The judge, still unsure why I was there, asks the defense counsel if they had any questions.  I don't think the judge noticed what I noticed: the defense scratching my name out frantically.  He did not do this for the 6 potential jurors before me.  I was asked a couple questions about my ability to be impartial and if I knew of the case or the officers involved.  Every question had the tone of "and no one thought to excuse you from this?" attached and I'm pretty sure he asked them just for 'due diligence'.  The State, on the other hand, declined to ask anything.  Pretty much everyone in that room thought that I had absolutely no business being a potential juror.
 
2013-10-20 04:06:19 PM
So they want someone on a jury who is having their concentration on the trial constantly broken by "How's the baby now?" or "I wish I was holding my baby." or "Dammit, my right boob is leaking." Or my favourite, imagining you can hear your baby crying when you're away from them.

Anyone who thinks it's perfectly simple just to drop a baby who is breastfed off with a sitter and be on your merry way doesn't understand how very non-simple it is.
 
2013-10-20 04:06:28 PM

ErinPac: RodneyToady: Aar1012: DRTFA but couldn't you call the court and ask them to reschedule you jury duty time or see if they can get you out of it?

I got out of Grand jury duty in my home town because I was on the other side of the state with no ride home.

/Had to sit on another Grand Jury a year later in my college town
//It was fun

I was wondering the same thing.  In NYC, I've requested postponements because I was in college at the time.  I think the postponement is either 6 months or a year.

She got a postponement while pregnant (in January).  This is the postponement come due.

I don't know; if there really is no good option for her that is unfortunate... but neither she nor her husband could arrange for a sitter or a day off for him after over 8 months of postponement and a month's warning on the second scheduled time?  It sounds like in arranging for a time and room to breastfeed, the court is attempting to accommodate her, and almost everyone has a reason they think means they cannot do jury duty.


Or, you know, if Judge Cholo McAsshole would pay for the family's child caring expenses I'm sure the problem would be resolved.
 
2013-10-20 04:10:43 PM
My grandmother keeps getting jury summons from Los Angeles County, but we keep tossing them away.

The problem is that #1.) She is not a citizen of the United States. Never has been. #2.) She died back in 2003. We kept telling the court these facts, but they keep wanting proof.

When they came for her, do we tell them them to go arrest her ashes which got dumped in the Gulf of Thailand? Or do we give them a can of Trader Joe's Tuna? It's tuna from the Gulf of Thailand. Pretty sure grandma's materials are in various marine lifeforms at this point.
 
2013-10-20 04:11:19 PM
I've been able to get out of jury duty because I had no one to watch the kids, it's a valid exemption. If however she wanted to get out of serving because it would inconvenience her breastfeeding... then I got no sympathy.
 
2013-10-20 04:11:30 PM
DNRTFA
DNRTFT

Step one is don't break the law.

Step two is actually go read the article to see what facts were down-played as part of an excuse for not following step one.
 
2013-10-20 04:12:17 PM

styckx: Why does the Daily Fail continually get linked for U.S. stories?


Because they pay for placement.
 
2013-10-20 04:13:49 PM
Here in Los Angeles, years ago stopped allowing you to get out of jury duty just because your employer didn't pay you for the days missed.  However, they are very good about allowing you to reschedule, but you have to make the effort to call them.  Simply not showing up is a big no-no and *will* get you sent to the principle's office.  In my experience, the judges are also pretty nice about letting the jury pool know ahead of time how long he expects the case to take, and he can and does take things into consideration if it's expected to be a long, drawn-out trial.  They're not *all* complete bastards.

/ been called to the court room several times, never selected as a juror.
// lawyers hate having engineers on the jury, they can't be swayed as easily.
 
2013-10-20 04:14:22 PM

Dadoody: My grandmother keeps getting jury summons from Los Angeles County, but we keep tossing them away.

The problem is that #1.) She is not a citizen of the United States. Never has been. #2.) She died back in 2003. We kept telling the court these facts, but they keep wanting proof.

When they came for her, do we tell them them to go arrest her ashes which got dumped in the Gulf of Thailand? Or do we give them a can of Trader Joe's Tuna? It's tuna from the Gulf of Thailand. Pretty sure grandma's materials are in various marine lifeforms at this point.


If it's like the form in California, there's a box you can check to indicate the recipient is not a citizen, or deceased. Sounds like you could check both. But you're too lazy to do it, and too self-righteous to imagine that you should ever deign to correct a misunderstanding.
 
2013-10-20 04:14:58 PM

Enigmamf: If it's like the form in California,


Uugh... "If it's like the form in San Diego"
 
2013-10-20 04:15:19 PM
You mean the $20 paid to jurors in Missouri couldn't cover a sitter?  Shocked.
 
2013-10-20 04:16:39 PM
Why do people keep assuming she couldn't afford a babysitter? No part of either article says that.
 
2013-10-20 04:19:10 PM
I came here to say "What is her problem, a decent breast pump is only $400 and I don't see why she can't just leave the child with the au pair anyway", but I see the "it sucks to be poor" angle is already well-covered.

Caveat: Daily Mail story.
 
2013-10-20 04:20:40 PM

Gyrfalcon: Mom was an idiot and the judge is a douche. Mom was told she needed to find a babysitter or bring someone, with plenty of notice to do so. She opted not to.

However, not excusing a mom with a baby is just power tripping. With all the lame excuses judges accept, he couldn't take this one?

They both need a kick in the butt.


Speaking of lame (yet real) excuses, they excused me from a Missouri jury duty after I said I would be entertaining guests from overseas and I wouldn't have time to be there. The lawyers all took some furious notes and surprisingly, I was excused! I'm really surprised this lady didn't get excused. FFS, just say something inappropriate and biased if you have to and the lawyers won't want you.
 
2013-10-20 04:23:42 PM
If I did not agree to an obligation that is imposed upon me by force, that is enslavement. I have read the forums and articles and arguments about civic duty and sustaining a system and paltry payments that make it all official and grand, and blah dee blah. It's just as much slavery as forced labour in jail.
 
2013-10-20 04:23:48 PM

Gyrfalcon: Mom was an idiot and the judge is a douche. Mom was told she needed to find a babysitter or bring someone, with plenty of notice to do so. She opted not to.



Pretty much this.

Given months of advance notice, couldn't dad have taken a day off work to care for the baby?  I've had to take time off from work for jury duty before.  Millions of people have.  Don't see how this is any different.
 
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