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2013-10-20 12:35:01 PM  
6 votes:
Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.
2013-10-20 08:18:27 PM  
5 votes:
This senile old bat threatens people with a baseball bat after causing an accident, says "you're damn right" when asked if he ran the guy off the road, then flees the scene of the accident before the police show, and yet half of you Farkers still defend him.

So yeah, this pretty much confirms that for some drivers, there's pretty much nothing a driver can do wrong. GIven that you are probably all licensed to drive and own a half ton death machine, I think I'll start carrying a gun when I ride.
2013-10-20 05:28:30 PM  
4 votes:

NeoCortex42: While he is certainly an ass for brake-checking them, I have seen way too many cyclists that seem to feel they own the farking road and ride two or three abreast.


Quite honestly, I never see cyclists taking over the road, I'm tired of this Fark meme. The most dangerous cyclists out there are the DUI crowd of guys who lost their drivers license. The guys in spandex know how dangerous it is. Most have dealt with stupid behavior like this at one point or another.

The old fark needs to lose his license and get some jail time. Probably a hell of a civil suit coming his way soon.
2013-10-20 05:00:29 PM  
4 votes:
fark that old guy. fark him hard. He drove past them and slammed on his brakes. If he got past them they weren't blocking traffic. Looks like a wide enough road. Riding side by side is not illegal. Slamming on your brakes to obscure traffic is.

Here's the lesson fellow cyclists... Get a handlebar mounted camera and keep it on every ride. Russian dash cam style. Always have Strava or a bike computer on so you can have GPS and telemetry evidence to go along with your video. Best insurance money can buy.
2013-10-20 08:59:50 PM  
3 votes:

Mr. Eugenides: Because the marginal improvement from a $500 bicycle to a $5000 bicycle is so minor that there's no payback.  Unless you're actually a professional racer it's just a penis extension.


Let me answer this one, Mr Tubby.  There is a huge difference between a $500 and $5000 bikes.  I would have to say that there isn't much difference between a reasonable $1700 bike and a $5000 bike.  There is a major difference in the weight.

I would not take a $500 bike on the 508 or RAAM.  I would ride a $1700 bike on either, with a backup.  In fact, I did.

As far as the 'tard who remarked that it is unlikely that the truck did a brake check on bikers if they were in a proper pace line - you do not know how to ride a bike.  On a road like the video, a good pace line should be hitting ~28MPH and a truck could easily swerve and stop before the bikes piled into one another, Mr. Couch Potato.

I have to agree that I have seen some very stupid riders.  Five abreast out into streets or blowing through traffic lights because they think people will break for them.  That being written, I have more often encountered beer bottles and dumbf**k hicks in trucks who should be put to death because they are so f**king retarded.  Generally those people get confused that being an asshole does not mean you are a tough guy, it just means you are an asshole.

The fat, redneck in the truck is typical of the lazy sacks of crap who think just because they are too lazy to exercise and that their inconsequential lives require them to get home as quickly as possible to drink their Jack and watch Fox tell them how much the libs suck.

I was riding to work one day.  A BMW raced past me them pulled into the driveway just ahead of me.  I skidded into it, took my foot out of my clips and drove the metal into the side of his BMW to stop.  He seemed to be a bit peeved that I torn into the side of his BMW.  As opposed to the nice response of the video person, my response was "What the f**k are you going to do about this or anything else I want to do to your car right now, you piece of s**t."  Granted, I outweighed him by 50 pounds or so and he felt that my proximity to his face meant that I was about to rip his head off and f**k his spinal column.  I think we parted as "friends", or at least an understanding of what was just about to occur next.
2013-10-20 02:01:46 PM  
3 votes:

vartian: Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.

Seeing as the guy was arrested and charged with assault, I'm guessing it wasn't.


I was pretty convinced when he got out of his truck with a bat and admitted to running people off the road.
2013-10-20 11:50:29 PM  
2 votes:
Repo Man: 

Also, how does riding down a road on a bicycle make you an asshole?


Its quite simple.

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 5%
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Likelyhood of being an asshole: 20%
www.bikemaine.org

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 95.3%
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2013-10-20 11:33:43 PM  
2 votes:
I liked this thread because I can't stand cyclists, and I don't care for rednecks in pickup trucks. So a win-win for me in every line! Neither group should be allowed on the road.
2013-10-20 07:01:20 PM  
2 votes:

NeoCortex42: For all we know, it's a two-lane road and the cyclists were taking up a good chunk of his lane.  We don't know what the situation was before the video started.


If it's a 2 lane road, and there isn't enough room for a car to safely squeeze alongside a bike, the bike should take the whole lane, or at least enough so that the overtaking car can't try to slide by until the opposing lane is clear.

If you're overtaking a slow moving vehicle, like a bike, don't pass until the oncoming lane is clear. It doesn't matter how much of "his lane" was taken up.  You pass when the oncoming lane is clear.  That's basic driving 101.
2013-10-20 06:56:40 PM  
2 votes:

Dinki: Given where the video starts, it's hard to say who is at fault. Were the cyclists riding single file as required by law, or were they all over the road obstructing traffic? The video starts with him stopped in the middle of the road. Were the cyclists also in the middle of the road?


Single file is not required by law.
2013-10-20 05:37:57 PM  
2 votes:
One Bad Apple:
How the f*ck does a pick up truck brake check someone on a bicycle ?

Cars and trucks have better brakes than bicycles, and can stop about twice as fast at road speeds. If someone in a truck like that is passing a bicycle at anything better than walking speed, they can easily pull in front of the bike and stop too fast for the bike to stop.
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2013-10-20 05:11:13 PM  
2 votes:

Dinki: Given where the video starts, it's hard to say who is at fault. Were the cyclists riding single file as required by law, or were they all over the road obstructing traffic? The video starts with him stopped in the middle of the road. Were the cyclists also in the middle of the road?


http://www.khou.com/news/local/Video-shows-fiery-confrontation-betwe en -74-year-old-driver-and-cycling-team-228423821.html

Ten members of the cycling team said they were riding single file on Lake Forest Driver near Old Conroe Road on Thursday night.
The cyclists claim 74-year-old driver Sherman Clark pulled up next to them and screamed for them to get off the road.
According to cyclists, Clark continued to taunt them, pulled ahead of them and then slammed on his brakes. That's when one of the riders reportedly crashed in to the back of Clark's truck.
"Once he saw me in his mirror, he veered right and slammed on the brakes. I had no time to react," said Rick Sauvageau.
Rick Sauvageau is now recovering with a fractured wrist and an injured shoulder and knee.
 ...
He was arrested on charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and criminal mischief.
According to court records, Clark has since posted bond.
2013-10-20 01:42:31 PM  
2 votes:
Given where the video starts, it's hard to say who is at fault. Were the cyclists riding single file as required by law, or were they all over the road obstructing traffic? The video starts with him stopped in the middle of the road. Were the cyclists also in the middle of the road?
2013-10-20 01:21:47 PM  
2 votes:

unyon: Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.

Yeah.  And see how they slipped their expensive bike under the rear tires of the truck, just so the guy would run over and destroy it when taking off?  Sneaky assholes.


They were using the bike to barricade the old guy. That bike is not there at the beginning of the video.

That's what happens when you leave your toys in the middle of the road

Norad:

Hokey, as in 'fake'? This looks pretty damn authentic to me. It's no trick slamming your brakes on in front of a pack of speeding bicyclists. What's tripping your bullshiat trigger on this video?


Hokey as in selectively edited. There is nothing about a brake check shown in the video. The differences in momentum and maneuverability of a truck vs a bicycle makes that scenario seem unlikely.
2013-10-21 07:47:14 PM  
1 vote:

colon_pow: well they sure showed him.


They sure did. He was subsequently arrested for criminal mischief.

http://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/man-engages-cyclists-video /
2013-10-21 01:08:48 AM  
1 vote:
Repo Man:
The conflict is caused by a sense of entitlement. Look at this guy. He managed to get around the bicyclists, only to purposely drive one of them off the road. Why was he so angry that he would do that? Does he do that sort of thing when there is agricultural equipment going very slowly down a narrow road, causing a delay? I can't say for sure that he doesn't, but my hunch is no. He likely accepts the right of farm tractors to use the road, and lives with any inconvenience they might cause.

There is a difference between people using the roads for their functional intent (commerce/industry/transport) and their being a social understanding that for the benefit of us all, you have to accept things like tractors or slow trucks being on the roads, and invetment bankers using the roads as their weekend-warrior playgrounds when other people need to get shiat done. It is this second group that pisses people off, because they are putting their pleasure and indulgences over other people necessities.
2013-10-21 12:59:27 AM  
1 vote:

Darth Macho: Repo Man: I spend a good portion of every work day driving a pick up truck for my job in and around one of the most cycling friendly small cities in northern California. And I never have a problem with people on bicycles. Every now and then I have to slow down on a two lane road, and wait until I can see far enough ahead to safely pass someone on a bicycle. Meanwhile, I have fellow motorists trying to kill me on a regular basis by not paying attention to their surroundings while driving. Yeah, what a plague on the road these bicycle riders are.

Key point there is about the drivers. Even in another automobile public roads are dangerous. People suck. Unless sport bicyclists can maintain 50mph they're going to have conflicts with drivers and these stories will continue to pop up.

I may not know the history of bicycle racing but I know in the last decade I've had hostile encounters with sport bike people, and I'm strictly a pedestrian / commute bicyclist. They're getting abuse from drivers and becoming more aggressive in response. So maybe they need to take the exercise onto a closed road.

I'm not saying bicyclists are the problem. I'm saying it's the environment.




The conflict is caused by a sense of entitlement. Look at this guy. He managed to get around the bicyclists, only to purposely drive one of them off the road. Why was he so angry that he would do that? Does he do that sort of thing when there is agricultural equipment going very slowly down a narrow road, causing a delay? I can't say for sure that he doesn't, but my hunch is no. He likely accepts the right of farm tractors to use the road, and lives with any inconvenience they might cause. But there is an all too prevalent attitude among all too many motorists that any inconvenience or delay caused by people on bicycles is completely unacceptable. They insist that bicycles don't belong on the road, the law says otherwise. It is an irrational hatred, and the logical justifications trotted out for it always vanish when exposed to the light of facts and reason. But that makes no difference to people like him. He (and others like him) is not a reasonable person acting in a reasonable manner. You can't use logic to change his mind, because no logic was used to develop his attitudes. All he will respect is force.
2013-10-21 12:44:02 AM  
1 vote:

Repo Man: I spend a good portion of every work day driving a pick up truck for my job in and around one of the most cycling friendly small cities in northern California. And I never have a problem with people on bicycles.

 Every now and then I have to slow down on a two lane road, and wait until I can see far enough ahead to safely pass someone on a bicycle. Meanwhile, I have fellow motorists trying to kill me on a regular basis by not paying attention to their surroundings while driving. Yeah, what a plague on the road these bicycle riders are.

Key point there is about the drivers. Even in another automobile public roads are dangerous. People suck. Unless sport bicyclists can maintain 50mph they're going to have conflicts with drivers and these stories will continue to pop up.

I may not know the history of bicycle racing but I know in the last decade I've had hostile encounters with sport bike people, and I'm strictly a pedestrian / commute bicyclist. They're getting abuse from drivers and becoming more aggressive in response. So maybe they need to take the exercise onto a closed road.

I'm not saying bicyclists are the problem. I'm saying it's the environment.
2013-10-21 12:38:17 AM  
1 vote:
Regardless of where we come in the old codger admitted to causing and accident then left the scene.
I hope they rail his ass six ways from Sunday for leaving the scene.
2013-10-21 12:31:55 AM  
1 vote:

Darth Macho: I've got an idea.

Why don't we create a new extreme sport out of one of the world's most basic forms of transportation? Where people can pay thousands of dollars (and thus become deeply invested) for fragile equipment only to utilize it recreationally in the same high traffic areas the public uses for workplace commuting. These hobbyists can join clubs and develop the same exclusive camaraderie and member protectiveness witnessed in extralegal motorcycle brotherhoods. And by ratcheting up every aspect of this sport the wonderful dichotomy between non-hobbyists in sturdy, high-speed automobiles (that most calming of transportation vessels) and exercizing hobbyists on unprotected, relatively slow-speed bicycles having to share the same road will result in only peaceful attitudes between both parties.

What could possibly go wrong?


Darth Macho: I've got an idea.

Why don't we create a new extreme sport out of one of the world's most basic forms of transportation? Where people can pay thousands of dollars (and thus become deeply invested) for fragile equipment only to utilize it recreationally in the same high traffic areas the public uses for workplace commuting. These hobbyists can join clubs and develop the same exclusive camaraderie and member protectiveness witnessed in extralegal motorcycle brotherhoods. And by ratcheting up every aspect of this sport the wonderful dichotomy between non-hobbyists in sturdy, high-speed automobiles (that most calming of transportation vessels) and exercizing hobbyists on unprotected, relatively slow-speed bicycles having to share the same road will result in only peaceful attitudes between both parties.

What could possibly go wrong?




I spend a good portion of every work day driving a pick up truck for my job in and around one of the most cycling friendly small cities in northern California. And I never have a problem with people on bicycles. Every now and then I have to slow down on a two lane road, and wait until I can see far enough ahead to safely pass someone on a bicycle. Meanwhile, I have fellow motorists trying to kill me on a regular basis by not paying attention to their surroundings while driving. Yeah, what a plague on the road these bicycle riders are.
And you don't seem to know much about the history of bicycle racing.
2013-10-21 12:13:42 AM  
1 vote:

LemSkroob: Repo Man:

Also, how does riding down a road on a bicycle make you an asshole?


Its quite simple.

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 5%
[simplegreenorganichappy.com image 456x600]

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 20%
[www.bikemaine.org image 850x1171]

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 95.3%
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In my own personal experiences the last guy is more of a 50/50 (I'm in the good 50..)
95.3 is this guy:
clubfixie.com
2013-10-20 11:54:02 PM  
1 vote:

Mr. Eugenides: rosebud_the_sled: Mr. Eugenides: Because the marginal improvement from a $500 bicycle to a $5000 bicycle is so minor that there's no payback.  Unless you're actually a professional racer it's just a penis extension.

Let me answer this one, Mr Tubby.  There is a huge difference between a $500 and $5000 bikes.  I would have to say that there isn't much difference between a reasonable $1700 bike and a $5000 bike.  There is a major difference in the weight.


So you're not arguing with the overall point I made simply the price point I selected.

True.  Most people who are concerned about shaving a few ounces from their frame should concentrate on either shaving several pounds off their body or becoming a better rider.  When I volunteer for double centuries, the front runners are generally have good bikes; the people at the rear of the pack have wind swept microgram $20,000 frames and all I can think is "Why did you piss all this money away and still suck?"

There was a woman at the bike shop last year when I was looking for some tubes who was hunting for a bike for her 8 year old son's birthday.  She bought one for about $8,000.  The kid is probably some tub of goo who will never be allowed to leave the driveway.

A couple of examples: A friend of mine - who could never be remotely equal to - has done a double with over 16,000 feet of climbing in a little over 13 hours on a steel framed fixed gear bike.  There was a guy who did Paris-Brest-Paris (>750 miles) a couple times ago on a push cart in less than 90 hours.

As far as I'm concerned, you only need to spend enough money to buy a reliable bike.  Everything else is fluff.  A reliable bike isn't cheap, but shouldn't be that expensive.
2013-10-20 11:40:50 PM  
1 vote:
Always fun to see the Lance Armstrong Impersonators Guild still out and about even after the downfall of their idol.
2013-10-20 10:59:11 PM  
1 vote:
You know who else doesn't like to share the road with bikes?

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2013-10-20 10:55:04 PM  
1 vote:
God these threads are great for my ignore list. You get the brigade of fantasy legal master debaters (their one law: if it gives me sad it must be illegal), the "I wish I could be racist but no one laughs at my n-word jokes anymore, so now I hate cyclists" douchebags, the just-barely-contained-by-the-threat-of-prison-rape secret homicidal maniacs. Thanks guys! See you on the road, but not here ever again!
2013-10-20 10:51:55 PM  
1 vote:

gilgigamesh: This senile old bat threatens people with a baseball bat after causing an accident, says "you're damn right" when asked if he ran the guy off the road, then flees the scene of the accident before the police show, and yet half of you Farkers still defend him.

So yeah, this pretty much confirms that for some drivers, there's pretty much nothing a driver can do wrong. GIven that you are probably all licensed to drive and own a half ton death machine, I think I'll start carrying a gun when I ride.


To be fair, a lot of cyclists ride the road like they own it, some people get a little frustrated. It doesn't excuse the guy in any way, and it doesn't excuse the White Knighters, but I would guess that's why they support him, it's easy for ignorant people to just lump an entire group together, such as cyclists, based on the behavior of a portion of the group.
2013-10-20 10:27:43 PM  
1 vote:
I have no idea what actually happened, but I will say that anybody who thinks "brake checking" someone else is an idiot. Anytime I see "brake check", I read, "tried to cause an accident".
2013-10-20 09:56:46 PM  
1 vote:
He's an old, angry white guy in rural Texas.  He had that baseball bat in his truck for a reason, and it isn't softball night at the Rotary Club.
2013-10-20 09:31:05 PM  
1 vote:

FormlessOne: The real point, though, is why are we taking sides in an argument generated by a video that only shows part of what happened? Is this what we've come to, that we don't really care about anything other than the chance to argue pointlessly with each other?


Yeah, except what the video shows is the driver admitting he passed the group of cyclists, then ran them off the road.  So I'm a little confused about how there is any doubt.
2013-10-20 09:11:28 PM  
1 vote:
I guess he needs to be Asian to get away with it...
2013-10-20 09:04:55 PM  
1 vote:
I just saw ~20 bikers blow through a red light and almost cause an accident.
2013-10-20 07:22:03 PM  
1 vote:

karmachameleon: Mr. Eugenides: meehaw: That bike the old bastard ran over is probably worth $4-7 grand.  The one that was damaged when he was brake checked might be worth the same who knows how many more were damaged.  I wonder how he will feel when he has to pay for bikes that could cost as much as his truck.

You'd have to be pretty rich and stupid to pay 4 to 7 thousand dollars for a bicycle.

How do you figure?


Because the marginal improvement from a $500 bicycle to a $5000 bicycle is so minor that there's no payback.  Unless you're actually a professional racer it's just a penis extension.
2013-10-20 07:16:51 PM  
1 vote:

Mr. Eugenides: meehaw: That bike the old bastard ran over is probably worth $4-7 grand.  The one that was damaged when he was brake checked might be worth the same who knows how many more were damaged.  I wonder how he will feel when he has to pay for bikes that could cost as much as his truck.

You'd have to be pretty rich and stupid to pay 4 to 7 thousand dollars for a bicycle.


That's modest.  As a bike mechanic in a local shop, I routinely worked on bikes double that.  Just because you don't see the value in this sort of thing doesn't mean that everyone doesn't.  When I was racing I put more miles on my bike than on my car in a year.  Therefore, my bike was worth more than my car.  (It was a crappy car, but still.)
2013-10-20 07:11:03 PM  
1 vote:

meehaw: That bike the old bastard ran over is probably worth $4-7 grand.  The one that was damaged when he was brake checked might be worth the same who knows how many more were damaged.  I wonder how he will feel when he has to pay for bikes that could cost as much as his truck.


You'd have to be pretty rich and stupid to pay 4 to 7 thousand dollars for a bicycle.
2013-10-20 06:35:57 PM  
1 vote:
I'd say these bicyclists handled themselves a FARK of a lot better than the motorcyclists in NY did.
2013-10-20 06:34:25 PM  
1 vote:

Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.


DERP! DERPA-DERPA-DOO! Idiot.
2013-10-20 05:45:11 PM  
1 vote:

One Bad Apple: Hokey as in selectively edited. There is nothing about a brake check shown in the video. The differences in momentum and maneuverability of a truck vs a bicycle makes that scenario seem unlikely.


Were you born this dumb, or did you have to work at it?
2013-10-20 02:04:49 PM  
1 vote:

Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.


Did they selectively edit him into leaving the scene of an accident?
2013-10-20 01:37:47 PM  
1 vote:
One Bad Apple:

Hokey as in selectively edited. There is nothing about a brake check shown in the video. The differences in momentum and maneuverability of a truck vs a bicycle makes that scenario seem unlikely.

No doubt there is more to the story, but he lost a bit of sympathy when he admitted to deliberately running a guy off the road.
2013-10-20 01:06:27 PM  
1 vote:

Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.


Yeah.  And see how they slipped their expensive bike under the rear tires of the truck, just so the guy would run over and destroy it when taking off?  Sneaky assholes.
2013-10-20 12:44:06 PM  
1 vote:
How the f*ck does a pick up truck brake check someone on a bicycle ?

Hokey video is hokey
 
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