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(LiveLeak) Video Moments after a bat-wielding angry old man brake-checked a group of cyclists, the camera rolls and things get ugly   (liveleak.com) divider line 169
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2013-10-21 01:33:23 PM  
FTFA: "He needs counseling for sure. He needs Jesus," said Schoger.

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Leave me otta this...
 
2013-10-21 02:11:13 PM  
While I completely agree that brake-checking is dangerous and stupid, it's technically not his fault if he gets rear-ended. It is the trailing driver's (rider's) responsibility to keep a safe-distance. Period.  If someone swerves around you and clips your front-quarter while merging back in, it's his fault. But if he gets in front of you safely and you no longer have a safe margin, you are responsible for slowing down to make room.

If you take the reason for the brake-check out of the equation it makes more sense: Say a deer ran onto the road and the guy hits the brakes hard and you rear-end the guy. Is it the guy's fault for hitting his brakes? Is it the deer's fault?  No, it's your fault for not leaving a "safe margin" (check local listings as to how this is defined).

I agree it's completely unfair that you have to slow down for the asshole in front, but it is your responsibility.  Riding in a pack does not absolve you of that responsibility. If it takes a pack of riders longer to stop than a car, or a single rider, that's a "you" problem: Slow down or seek alternate route.
 
2013-10-21 02:19:30 PM  
Like how many bikers vs one old mentally ill man equipped only with a little league bat?

The least they could have done was bait him away from his door, snatch the keys, lock the truckb and ride away, making rude gestures.

I mean the guy committed assault and no one was angry enough to let him have it right then and there?

Let him try that in NY.

/I used to ride quite a bit and your perspective changes when you move from the saddle to the steering wheel but I am always just scared to death of a cyclist veering in my path

/and this is (just like) my truck except I dont have them huge dive brake mirrors
www.gm-trucks.com
 
2013-10-21 03:03:02 PM  

RobotSpider: While I completely agree that brake-checking is dangerous and stupid, it's technically not his fault if he gets rear-ended. It is the trailing driver's (rider's) responsibility to keep a safe-distance. Period. If someone swerves around you and clips your front-quarter while merging back in, it's his fault. But if he gets in front of you safely and you no longer have a safe margin, you are responsible for slowing down to make room.


"gets in front of you safely" and "no longer have a safe margin" are mutually exclusive.
Doesn't have to clip you on the side for it to be an unsafe merge.  If you're merging into a lane, you have to first ensure that a safe margin exists.  The vehicles already in that lane are not responsible to yield to the merging vehicle and providing that margin.  See page 42 of the Texas driver's handbook.  "Pass on the left and do not return to the right lane until you have safely cleared the overtaken vehicle"

The way this usually plays out is the car passes, cuts into your lane with insufficient clearance, and immediately slams on his brakes.  It's a pretty frequent attack that road ragers pull on cyclists, and dollars to donuts that's exactly what happened here.
I have had a few "merge safely in front of me and then slow down to a ridiculous speed" incidents, but by and large it's the cut off. 

/ Next time it happens my plan is to just merge into the left lane and increase speed to pass the road rager.  Worst case scenario, he matches my speed to cock block me and I get to go a reasonable speed in the left lane.  Just got to worry about some angry person behind us incorrectly blaming me for the ensuing traffic jam.
 
2013-10-21 05:12:31 PM  
Maybe this has already been pointed out, but in order for us to see the whole scenario play out, the cyclist would've had to have his phone out and recording as the man in the truck came up on them and passed. At least in this case, as it didn't seem that he had a helmet cam on. I just don't understand the hatred for cyclists. Cyclists aren't out there picking fights with motorized vehicles--because those who ride regularly know that the car/truck will win every time. Can some of them be douchey? Sure....I see a few of those kind in just about every organized ride I do. But overall I see more cyclists acting responsible than not. There was no excuse for this.
 
2013-10-21 05:52:16 PM  

JMcDub: Maybe this has already been pointed out, but in order for us to see the whole scenario play out, the cyclist would've had to have his phone out and recording as the man in the truck came up on them and passed. At least in this case, as it didn't seem that he had a helmet cam on. I just don't understand the hatred for cyclists. Cyclists aren't out there picking fights with motorized vehicles--because those who ride regularly know that the car/truck will win every time. Can some of them be douchey? Sure....I see a few of those kind in just about every organized ride I do. But overall I see more cyclists acting responsible than not. There was no excuse for this.


I don't have the hate for bicyclists, but I think for those who do that it's the pack thing.  One cyclist is not a problem.  Just a guy doing his thing.  12 cyclists riding in a bunch makes it seem like a parade, or a deliberate attempt to screw up traffic for everyone else.

/motorcycle pack is another matter.
//getting a farking parade permit if it's so crucial that you ride together
 
2013-10-21 06:11:26 PM  

Dinki: Given where the video starts, it's hard to say who is at fault. Were the cyclists riding single file as required by law, or were they all over the road obstructing traffic? The video starts with him stopped in the middle of the road. Were the cyclists also in the middle of the road?


Not sure where you live, but in my state (Ohio) cyclists are entitled by law to ride two abreast.  In addition the courts have ruled that cyclists moving at appropriate speed for a bicycle ARE traffic and cannot be prosecuted for "impeding traffic".
 
2013-10-21 06:16:13 PM  

FrancoFile: HairBolus:
So he got mad that the cyclists were on HIS road and decided to do something about it.

It would be interesting to know if the road is owned/maintained by the local government or by a HOA.  It has no center or side markings.  If it's a HOA, then it really IS his road...


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This is the sign for the Red Oak Ranch subdivision at the intersection of Old Conroe Road and Lake Forrest Drive - where the incident was reported as being near. Beyond this sign Lake Forrest has no outlet - it terminates in a very low traffic 2 mile loop where cyclists like to ride.

It appears that Mr. Clark was making a stand near this entrance to keep the socialist gay bikers out of his subdivision. There is a Red Oak Ranch Property Owner's Association (RORPOA) with yearly fees of $500 but they don't seem to own the road.
 
2013-10-21 06:24:24 PM  
I farking hate bicyclists.
 
2013-10-21 06:35:18 PM  
well they sure showed him.
 
2013-10-21 06:36:18 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.

DERP! DERPA-DERPA-DOO! Idiot.


I agree with both of you.  Well, more the first guy, not the one signed by "idiot"

In my experience, cyclists are assholes, groups of any kind are filled with assholes, and people who use cameras to defend themselves are asshole.
 
2013-10-21 07:18:28 PM  

HairBolus: FrancoFile: HairBolus:
So he got mad that the cyclists were on HIS road and decided to do something about it.

It would be interesting to know if the road is owned/maintained by the local government or by a HOA.  It has no center or side markings.  If it's a HOA, then it really IS his road...

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This is the sign for the Red Oak Ranch subdivision at the intersection of Old Conroe Road and Lake Forrest Drive - where the incident was reported as being near. Beyond this sign Lake Forrest has no outlet - it terminates in a very low traffic 2 mile loop where cyclists like to ride.

It appears that Mr. Clark was making a stand near this entrance to keep the socialist gay bikers out of his subdivision. There is a Red Oak Ranch Property Owner's Association (RORPOA) with yearly fees of $500 but they don't seem to own the road.


Old man moved there because he likes quiet and solitude.
People *not* from the neighborhood treat his street like a racecourse.
Collisionarity ensues.
 
2013-10-21 07:25:10 PM  
I normally think cyclists in the city are assholes -- never had an issue with them on county roads though.

I side with the cyclists on this one.
 
2013-10-21 07:26:52 PM  
Also, /csb time: been near the place of that accident. Since I prefer to spend the night in woodlands when going to the ren fest 10 miles away.
 
2013-10-21 07:43:25 PM  

RobotSpider: While I completely agree that brake-checking is dangerous and stupid, it's technically not his fault if he gets rear-ended.


Wrong.
 
2013-10-21 07:47:14 PM  

colon_pow: well they sure showed him.


They sure did. He was subsequently arrested for criminal mischief.

http://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/man-engages-cyclists-video /
 
2013-10-21 08:47:13 PM  

chewielouie: colon_pow: well they sure showed him.

They sure did. He was subsequently arrested for criminal mischief.

http://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/man-engages-cyclists-video /


That article has info I haven't seen yet:

... According to one of the cyclists, Steve Schoger, Clark  drove past them and along with a few cuss words told the cyclists to get off his street.

Clark then pulled in front of the cyclists and slowed down to about 15 mph. With the cyclists already peddling close to 25 mph one of the riders went to pass Clark. That is when Clark began to drive to the left running the cyclist to the shoulder of the road.

Another cyclist, then came around Clarks right side in an attempt to go around. That is when Clark slammed his brakes on causing cyclist Rick Sauvageau to slam into the back of Clark's truck.  Sauvageau fractured his wrist, dislocated his shoulder and injured his left knee in the incident.

Clark then got out of the truck with a baseball bat ... drove off running over one of the cyclists $5,000 bicycles. ...

The Montgomery County Sheriff's Office was dispatched to the scene and Clark was arrested for criminal mischief  $1,500 to $20,000 and for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. ...

Schoger said they have been riding the peaceful two mile loop off Old Conroe Road in the Red Oak Estates Subdivision for almost 15 years with no problems except for one several years  ago.


In that incident almost 20 cyclists were riding the loop when Clark was backing out of his driveway. Schoger waited a short time and when the cyclists approached he backed out in front of them causing them to have to stop.

...

Online records say that Clark's house was built in 2000, so if the club has been riding there for 15 years then they were there before Mr. Clark, even if he bought his house new.

After 13 years of fuming about bicycles I guess he had a senior moment, loaded a baseball bat into his truck, and decided to do something.
 
2013-10-22 01:31:20 AM  

Repo Man: Merry Sunshine: Everyone in this video is an asshole, as are most of the farkers commenting in this thread. 
I'm sorry someone got hurt in the crash incident, but I'm not sorry one of the assholes got his bike run over after placing it in front of a pickup truck.  What did he think would happen?



Would you have run over it? Would you have left the scene of an accident?


No, because unlike the bat-wielding pickup driver, I'm not an asshole.
 
2013-10-22 01:35:05 AM  

Repo Man: Merry Sunshine: Everyone in this video is an asshole, as are most of the farkers commenting in this thread.
I'm sorry someone got hurt in the crash incident, but I'm not sorry one of the assholes got his bike run over after placing it in front of a pickup truck.  What did he think would happen?

Also, how does riding down a road on a bicycle make you an asshole?


It doesn't. A herd of the bastards taking up the whole road makes them assholes. Placing a $5000 (if you people can be believed) bicycle in front of a pickup driven by a lunatic asshole and expecting that this will prevent said asshole from driving off makes them entitled, spoiled assholes. These people deserve one another. The only guy who didn't deserve something was the guy who got hurt.
 
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