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2013-10-20 12:35:01 PM
Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.
 
2013-10-20 12:44:06 PM
How the f*ck does a pick up truck brake check someone on a bicycle ?

Hokey video is hokey
 
2013-10-20 01:06:27 PM

Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.


Yeah.  And see how they slipped their expensive bike under the rear tires of the truck, just so the guy would run over and destroy it when taking off?  Sneaky assholes.
 
2013-10-20 01:10:21 PM

One Bad Apple: How the f*ck does a pick up truck brake check someone on a bicycle ?

Hokey video is hokey


Hokey, as in 'fake'? This looks pretty damn authentic to me. It's no trick slamming your brakes on in front of a pack of speeding bicyclists. What's tripping your bullshiat trigger on this video?
 
2013-10-20 01:18:08 PM
I hate that anyone was hurt, but did like the part where he ran over the bike they were too stupid to move at the end.

/the law will take care of the old man
 
2013-10-20 01:21:47 PM

unyon: Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.

Yeah.  And see how they slipped their expensive bike under the rear tires of the truck, just so the guy would run over and destroy it when taking off?  Sneaky assholes.


They were using the bike to barricade the old guy. That bike is not there at the beginning of the video.

That's what happens when you leave your toys in the middle of the road

Norad:

Hokey, as in 'fake'? This looks pretty damn authentic to me. It's no trick slamming your brakes on in front of a pack of speeding bicyclists. What's tripping your bullshiat trigger on this video?


Hokey as in selectively edited. There is nothing about a brake check shown in the video. The differences in momentum and maneuverability of a truck vs a bicycle makes that scenario seem unlikely.
 
2013-10-20 01:37:47 PM
One Bad Apple:

Hokey as in selectively edited. There is nothing about a brake check shown in the video. The differences in momentum and maneuverability of a truck vs a bicycle makes that scenario seem unlikely.

No doubt there is more to the story, but he lost a bit of sympathy when he admitted to deliberately running a guy off the road.
 
2013-10-20 01:42:31 PM
Given where the video starts, it's hard to say who is at fault. Were the cyclists riding single file as required by law, or were they all over the road obstructing traffic? The video starts with him stopped in the middle of the road. Were the cyclists also in the middle of the road?
 
2013-10-20 01:56:44 PM

Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.


Seeing as the guy was arrested and charged with assault, I'm guessing it wasn't.
 
2013-10-20 02:01:46 PM

vartian: Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.

Seeing as the guy was arrested and charged with assault, I'm guessing it wasn't.


I was pretty convinced when he got out of his truck with a bat and admitted to running people off the road.
 
2013-10-20 02:04:49 PM

Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.


Did they selectively edit him into leaving the scene of an accident?
 
2013-10-20 03:12:42 PM

One Bad Apple: unyon: Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.

Yeah.  And see how they slipped their expensive bike under the rear tires of the truck, just so the guy would run over and destroy it when taking off?  Sneaky assholes.

They were using the bike to barricade the old guy. That bike is not there at the beginning of the video.

That's what happens when you leave your toys in the middle of the road

Norad:

Hokey, as in 'fake'? This looks pretty damn authentic to me. It's no trick slamming your brakes on in front of a pack of speeding bicyclists. What's tripping your bullshiat trigger on this video?

Hokey as in selectively edited. There is nothing about a brake check shown in the video. The differences in momentum and maneuverability of a truck vs a bicycle makes that scenario seem unlikely.


That was my favorite part, because they clearly put it there thinking he wouldn't run over it.
 
2013-10-20 03:29:20 PM

One Bad Apple: There is nothing about a brake check shown in the video. The differences in momentum and maneuverability of a truck vs a bicycle makes that scenario seem unlikely.


You sound fat.
 
2013-10-20 03:49:28 PM
I guess now we know how far we can push bicyclists.
 
2013-10-20 04:03:37 PM

Dinki: Were the cyclists riding single file as required by law,


Yeah, right. This ranks right up there with leprechauns.
 
2013-10-20 04:36:18 PM

Lsherm: One Bad Apple: unyon: Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.

Yeah.  And see how they slipped their expensive bike under the rear tires of the truck, just so the guy would run over and destroy it when taking off?  Sneaky assholes.

They were using the bike to barricade the old guy. That bike is not there at the beginning of the video.

That's what happens when you leave your toys in the middle of the road

Norad:

Hokey, as in 'fake'? This looks pretty damn authentic to me. It's no trick slamming your brakes on in front of a pack of speeding bicyclists. What's tripping your bullshiat trigger on this video?

Hokey as in selectively edited. There is nothing about a brake check shown in the video. The differences in momentum and maneuverability of a truck vs a bicycle makes that scenario seem unlikely.

That was my favorite part, because they clearly put it there thinking he wouldn't run over it.


I just chalked it up to "more dumb bikers need a physics lesson." There seems to be a lot of that going around.
 
2013-10-20 04:38:34 PM
He's living the dream of "cantankerous old man".
 
2013-10-20 04:56:12 PM
He was probably angry because he couldn't find a farmer's market.
 
2013-10-20 05:00:29 PM
fark that old guy. fark him hard. He drove past them and slammed on his brakes. If he got past them they weren't blocking traffic. Looks like a wide enough road. Riding side by side is not illegal. Slamming on your brakes to obscure traffic is.

Here's the lesson fellow cyclists... Get a handlebar mounted camera and keep it on every ride. Russian dash cam style. Always have Strava or a bike computer on so you can have GPS and telemetry evidence to go along with your video. Best insurance money can buy.
 
2013-10-20 05:05:23 PM

crotchgrabber: fark that old guy. fark him hard. He drove past them and slammed on his brakes. If he got past them they weren't blocking traffic. Looks like a wide enough road. Riding side by side is not illegal. Slamming on your brakes to obscure traffic is.

Here's the lesson fellow cyclists... Get a handlebar mounted camera and keep it on every ride. Russian dash cam style. Always have Strava or a bike computer on so you can have GPS and telemetry evidence to go along with your video. Best insurance money can buy.


For all we know, it's a two-lane road and the cyclists were taking up a good chunk of his lane.  We don't know what the situation was before the video started.

While he is certainly an ass for brake-checking them, I have seen way too many cyclists that seem to feel they own the farking road and ride two or three abreast.
 
2013-10-20 05:11:13 PM

Dinki: Given where the video starts, it's hard to say who is at fault. Were the cyclists riding single file as required by law, or were they all over the road obstructing traffic? The video starts with him stopped in the middle of the road. Were the cyclists also in the middle of the road?


http://www.khou.com/news/local/Video-shows-fiery-confrontation-betwe en -74-year-old-driver-and-cycling-team-228423821.html

Ten members of the cycling team said they were riding single file on Lake Forest Driver near Old Conroe Road on Thursday night.
The cyclists claim 74-year-old driver Sherman Clark pulled up next to them and screamed for them to get off the road.
According to cyclists, Clark continued to taunt them, pulled ahead of them and then slammed on his brakes. That's when one of the riders reportedly crashed in to the back of Clark's truck.
"Once he saw me in his mirror, he veered right and slammed on the brakes. I had no time to react," said Rick Sauvageau.
Rick Sauvageau is now recovering with a fractured wrist and an injured shoulder and knee.
 ...
He was arrested on charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and criminal mischief.
According to court records, Clark has since posted bond.
 
2013-10-20 05:23:07 PM
Bike wasn't placed under the rear tire.  He clipped it from the front driving away, got it again with the rear.
 
2013-10-20 05:28:30 PM

NeoCortex42: While he is certainly an ass for brake-checking them, I have seen way too many cyclists that seem to feel they own the farking road and ride two or three abreast.


Quite honestly, I never see cyclists taking over the road, I'm tired of this Fark meme. The most dangerous cyclists out there are the DUI crowd of guys who lost their drivers license. The guys in spandex know how dangerous it is. Most have dealt with stupid behavior like this at one point or another.

The old fark needs to lose his license and get some jail time. Probably a hell of a civil suit coming his way soon.
 
2013-10-20 05:31:54 PM
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2013-10-20 05:37:57 PM
One Bad Apple:
How the f*ck does a pick up truck brake check someone on a bicycle ?

Cars and trucks have better brakes than bicycles, and can stop about twice as fast at road speeds. If someone in a truck like that is passing a bicycle at anything better than walking speed, they can easily pull in front of the bike and stop too fast for the bike to stop.
.
 
2013-10-20 05:45:11 PM

One Bad Apple: Hokey as in selectively edited. There is nothing about a brake check shown in the video. The differences in momentum and maneuverability of a truck vs a bicycle makes that scenario seem unlikely.


Were you born this dumb, or did you have to work at it?
 
2013-10-20 05:56:36 PM
Goddamn bat man
 
2013-10-20 06:34:25 PM

Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.


DERP! DERPA-DERPA-DOO! Idiot.
 
2013-10-20 06:35:57 PM
I'd say these bicyclists handled themselves a FARK of a lot better than the motorcyclists in NY did.
 
2013-10-20 06:38:19 PM

One Bad Apple: How the f*ck does a pick up truck brake check someone on a bicycle ?


Gee, I don't know.. maybe because a car can stop a lot faster than a bicycle when going the same speed?
 
2013-10-20 06:56:40 PM

Dinki: Given where the video starts, it's hard to say who is at fault. Were the cyclists riding single file as required by law, or were they all over the road obstructing traffic? The video starts with him stopped in the middle of the road. Were the cyclists also in the middle of the road?


Single file is not required by law.
 
2013-10-20 06:57:02 PM
No undercover cops were harmed in the making of this video.
 
2013-10-20 07:01:01 PM
T-Servo:  You sound fat.

You sound like you're going to the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2013-10-20 07:01:20 PM

NeoCortex42: For all we know, it's a two-lane road and the cyclists were taking up a good chunk of his lane.  We don't know what the situation was before the video started.


If it's a 2 lane road, and there isn't enough room for a car to safely squeeze alongside a bike, the bike should take the whole lane, or at least enough so that the overtaking car can't try to slide by until the opposing lane is clear.

If you're overtaking a slow moving vehicle, like a bike, don't pass until the oncoming lane is clear. It doesn't matter how much of "his lane" was taken up.  You pass when the oncoming lane is clear.  That's basic driving 101.
 
2013-10-20 07:02:30 PM
That bike the old bastard ran over is probably worth $4-7 grand.  The one that was damaged when he was brake checked might be worth the same who knows how many more were damaged.  I wonder how he will feel when he has to pay for bikes that could cost as much as his truck.
 
2013-10-20 07:11:03 PM

meehaw: That bike the old bastard ran over is probably worth $4-7 grand.  The one that was damaged when he was brake checked might be worth the same who knows how many more were damaged.  I wonder how he will feel when he has to pay for bikes that could cost as much as his truck.


You'd have to be pretty rich and stupid to pay 4 to 7 thousand dollars for a bicycle.
 
2013-10-20 07:12:33 PM
Old man yells at cloud bicyclists.  Clearly in the wrong.  And carrying the baseball bat makes it even worse.

But the fact that the bicyclists call themselves a "racing club" makes me think that they've exhibited douchiness, too - if not on the day of the incident, then in the past.
 
2013-10-20 07:12:49 PM

Mr. Eugenides: meehaw: That bike the old bastard ran over is probably worth $4-7 grand.  The one that was damaged when he was brake checked might be worth the same who knows how many more were damaged.  I wonder how he will feel when he has to pay for bikes that could cost as much as his truck.

You'd have to be pretty rich and stupid to pay 4 to 7 thousand dollars for a bicycle.


How do you figure?
 
2013-10-20 07:13:19 PM

bikerific: NeoCortex42: For all we know, it's a two-lane road and the cyclists were taking up a good chunk of his lane.  We don't know what the situation was before the video started.

If it's a 2 lane road, and there isn't enough room for a car to safely squeeze alongside a bike, the bike should take the whole lane, or at least enough so that the overtaking car can't try to slide by until the opposing lane is clear.

If you're overtaking a slow moving vehicle, like a bike, don't pass until the oncoming lane is clear. It doesn't matter how much of "his lane" was taken up.  You pass when the oncoming lane is clear.  That's basic driving 101.


I CERTAINLY take the whole lane on a two lane road.  I want people to see me, and to have to pass me like I'm a car.  I'm not afraid of the random angry guy...at least he sees me.  I'm afraid of the teenager texting, or the soccer mom dealing with fighting kids in the back seat.  This is legal and warranted.

Source: http://www.biketexas.org/es/infrastructure/texas-bicycle-laws
 
2013-10-20 07:16:51 PM

Mr. Eugenides: meehaw: That bike the old bastard ran over is probably worth $4-7 grand.  The one that was damaged when he was brake checked might be worth the same who knows how many more were damaged.  I wonder how he will feel when he has to pay for bikes that could cost as much as his truck.

You'd have to be pretty rich and stupid to pay 4 to 7 thousand dollars for a bicycle.


That's modest.  As a bike mechanic in a local shop, I routinely worked on bikes double that.  Just because you don't see the value in this sort of thing doesn't mean that everyone doesn't.  When I was racing I put more miles on my bike than on my car in a year.  Therefore, my bike was worth more than my car.  (It was a crappy car, but still.)
 
2013-10-20 07:22:03 PM

karmachameleon: Mr. Eugenides: meehaw: That bike the old bastard ran over is probably worth $4-7 grand.  The one that was damaged when he was brake checked might be worth the same who knows how many more were damaged.  I wonder how he will feel when he has to pay for bikes that could cost as much as his truck.

You'd have to be pretty rich and stupid to pay 4 to 7 thousand dollars for a bicycle.

How do you figure?


Because the marginal improvement from a $500 bicycle to a $5000 bicycle is so minor that there's no payback.  Unless you're actually a professional racer it's just a penis extension.
 
2013-10-20 07:36:28 PM

Mr. Eugenides: karmachameleon: Mr. Eugenides: meehaw: That bike the old bastard ran over is probably worth $4-7 grand.  The one that was damaged when he was brake checked might be worth the same who knows how many more were damaged.  I wonder how he will feel when he has to pay for bikes that could cost as much as his truck.

You'd have to be pretty rich and stupid to pay 4 to 7 thousand dollars for a bicycle.

How do you figure?

Because the marginal improvement from a $500 bicycle to a $5000 bicycle is so minor that there's no payback.  Unless you're actually a professional racer it's just a penis extension.


Wrong.  Just wrong.  Maybe there is marginal improvement in the $1500 range to the $5000 range, but for fast riders and racers (not just professionals, but club racers and triathletes) a good bike with that marginal gain can mean the difference between winning and losing.  A $500 bike from a bike shop will be a heavy, lug of a mountain bike.   You couldn't buy a road bike for less than $1000 new...$1200 at least to get one that is race-able.  Hell, a set of Aero wheels alone can cost $2000.
 
2013-10-20 07:40:52 PM

Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.


...and the arrest, too, was conveniently generated.

The real point, though, is why are we taking sides in an argument generated by a video that only shows part of what happened? Is this what we've come to, that we don't really care about anything other than the chance to argue pointlessly with each other?
 
2013-10-20 07:43:04 PM

FormlessOne: Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.

...and the arrest, too, was conveniently generated.

The real point, though, is why are we taking sides in an argument generated by a video that only shows part of what happened? Is this what we've come to, that we don't really care about anything other than the chance to argue pointlessly with each other?


Yes.
 
2013-10-20 07:45:12 PM

FormlessOne: Is this what we've come to, that we don't really care about anything other than the chance to argue pointlessly with each other?


Come to?  From where?
 
2013-10-20 07:52:04 PM

Ed Grubermann: Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.

DERP! DERPA-DERPA-DOO! Idiot.


Well, you sure told me.
 
2013-10-20 07:55:12 PM
so charges for the bike fairy who kicked the truck?
 
2013-10-20 07:56:48 PM

skyshooter: I'd say these bicyclists handled themselves a FARK of a lot better than the motorcyclists in NY did.


This is the one thing that everyone should be able to agree on here. Regardless of who started it, it didn't end nearly as badly.
 
2013-10-20 08:03:14 PM

Kyosuke: Ed Grubermann: Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.

DERP! DERPA-DERPA-DOO! Idiot.

Well, you sure told me.


I dunno, man, he did say derpa-derpa-do, he kinda got you on that one.

*eyeroll*
 
2013-10-20 08:17:45 PM
One thing I learned from my lesbian friends is that they don't like to be called bikes.
 
2013-10-20 08:18:27 PM
This senile old bat threatens people with a baseball bat after causing an accident, says "you're damn right" when asked if he ran the guy off the road, then flees the scene of the accident before the police show, and yet half of you Farkers still defend him.

So yeah, this pretty much confirms that for some drivers, there's pretty much nothing a driver can do wrong. GIven that you are probably all licensed to drive and own a half ton death machine, I think I'll start carrying a gun when I ride.
 
2013-10-20 08:19:00 PM
That's interesting to hear what Omaha means
 
2013-10-20 08:19:40 PM

libranoelrose: That's interesting to hear what Omaha means


Dammit, wrong thread
 
2013-10-20 08:29:01 PM

Beaver Knievel: T-Servo:  You sound fat.

You sound like you're going to the gym in 26 minutes.


Both of your moms are yelling about why they can't reach you on your cellphones, and it's really freaking out my dog.
 
2013-10-20 08:30:40 PM

Mr. Eugenides: karmachameleon: Mr. Eugenides: meehaw: That bike the old bastard ran over is probably worth $4-7 grand.  The one that was damaged when he was brake checked might be worth the same who knows how many more were damaged.  I wonder how he will feel when he has to pay for bikes that could cost as much as his truck.

You'd have to be pretty rich and stupid to pay 4 to 7 thousand dollars for a bicycle.

How do you figure?

Because the marginal improvement from a $500 bicycle to a $5000 bicycle is so minor that there's no payback.  Unless you're actually a professional racer it's just a penis extension.


Are you qualified enough and knowledgable enough about bicycles to make this statement with some authority, or are you just posturing?  Honest question; I don't know anything about bikes.  But I know guitars, and I can damn well tell the difference between a $500 guitar (still pretty cheap) and a $5000 guitar (definitely high-end).  It doesn't take much imagination for me to think a $5000 bike has a lot going for it over a $500 bike - am I wrong about that?
 
2013-10-20 08:42:12 PM

karmachameleon: Mr. Eugenides: karmachameleon: Mr. Eugenides: meehaw: That bike the old bastard ran over is probably worth $4-7 grand.  The one that was damaged when he was brake checked might be worth the same who knows how many more were damaged.  I wonder how he will feel when he has to pay for bikes that could cost as much as his truck.

You'd have to be pretty rich and stupid to pay 4 to 7 thousand dollars for a bicycle.

How do you figure?

Because the marginal improvement from a $500 bicycle to a $5000 bicycle is so minor that there's no payback.  Unless you're actually a professional racer it's just a penis extension.

Are you qualified enough and knowledgable enough about bicycles to make this statement with some authority, or are you just posturing?  Honest question; I don't know anything about bikes.  But I know guitars, and I can damn well tell the difference between a $500 guitar (still pretty cheap) and a $5000 guitar (definitely high-end).  It doesn't take much imagination for me to think a $5000 bike has a lot going for it over a $500 bike - am I wrong about that?


Perfect analogy. I know bikes and guitars.
 
2013-10-20 08:43:46 PM
After the news noise was made about the crotch rocket gang (undercover cop included), the cloud yelling guy was probably afraid of getting his as$ kicked. We don't have all of the video proving he brake checked anyone so maybe he was yelling at clouds. Or perhaps the cyclists were being "entitled" arseholes taking up the lane and slowing down traffic. There is a simple solution for this: bike licenses and insurance. Regulate the cyclist activity and maybe they won't be a douchebags on the road.
 
2013-10-20 08:46:24 PM

meehaw: Mr. Eugenides: karmachameleon: Mr. Eugenides: meehaw: That bike the old bastard ran over is probably worth $4-7 grand.  The one that was damaged when he was brake checked might be worth the same who knows how many more were damaged.  I wonder how he will feel when he has to pay for bikes that could cost as much as his truck.

You'd have to be pretty rich and stupid to pay 4 to 7 thousand dollars for a bicycle.

How do you figure?

Because the marginal improvement from a $500 bicycle to a $5000 bicycle is so minor that there's no payback.  Unless you're actually a professional racer it's just a penis extension.

Wrong.  Just wrong.  Maybe there is marginal improvement in the $1500 range to the $5000 range, but for fast riders and racers (not just professionals, but club racers and triathletes) a good bike with that marginal gain can mean the difference between winning and losing.  A $500 bike from a bike shop will be a heavy, lug of a mountain bike.   You couldn't buy a road bike for less than $1000 new...$1200 at least to get one that is race-able.  Hell, a set of Aero wheels alone can cost $2000.




My Giant OCR cost $600. Light, handles great, and I rode up mt. St. Helens on it. And commuted for 5 years on it. Not all inexpensive bikes are shiatty lugs
 
kab
2013-10-20 08:50:59 PM
Cager, being a dumb fark.

More shocking news @ 11.
 
2013-10-20 08:51:19 PM

pjbreeze: He was probably angry because he couldn't find a farmer's market.


lol, of course, this.
 
2013-10-20 08:55:18 PM

pivazena: meehaw: Mr. Eugenides: karmachameleon: Mr. Eugenides: meehaw: That bike the old bastard ran over is probably worth $4-7 grand.  The one that was damaged when he was brake checked might be worth the same who knows how many more were damaged.  I wonder how he will feel when he has to pay for bikes that could cost as much as his truck.

You'd have to be pretty rich and stupid to pay 4 to 7 thousand dollars for a bicycle.

How do you figure?

Because the marginal improvement from a $500 bicycle to a $5000 bicycle is so minor that there's no payback.  Unless you're actually a professional racer it's just a penis extension.

Wrong.  Just wrong.  Maybe there is marginal improvement in the $1500 range to the $5000 range, but for fast riders and racers (not just professionals, but club racers and triathletes) a good bike with that marginal gain can mean the difference between winning and losing.  A $500 bike from a bike shop will be a heavy, lug of a mountain bike.   You couldn't buy a road bike for less than $1000 new...$1200 at least to get one that is race-able.  Hell, a set of Aero wheels alone can cost $2000.

My Giant OCR cost $600. Light, handles great, and I rode up mt. St. Helens on it. And commuted for 5 years on it. Not all inexpensive bikes are shiatty lugs


Giant's cheapest new road bike is $1300 list.  The OCR is several years old.  Six or seven years ago, you could buy a good Giant or Fuji road bike (or mountain bike) for under $1000.  Not any more.
 
2013-10-20 08:58:37 PM

Dinki: Were the cyclists riding single file as required by law,

 
You can ride two abreast in Texas as long as you don't "impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic on the roadway".


I'd say that applies to 99% of traffic situations.  Whether I'm riding alone, single file or 2 abreast, I'm going to "take the lane" on most every road I've ever ridden on (legally, you can take the lane if it is narrower than 14 feet, aka almost every lane on every road).  So, I'd argue that changing lanes and passing like you would any other vehicle is part of the normal and reasonable flow of traffic.

Really, people don't know what they're asking for when they biatch about cyclists riding 2 abreast.  Would you rather change lanes and pass a 5-cyclist-long group, or change lanes and pass a 10-cyclist-long group?
 
2013-10-20 08:58:46 PM

meehaw: pivazena: meehaw: Mr. Eugenides: karmachameleon: Mr. Eugenides: meehaw: That bike the old bastard ran over is probably worth $4-7 grand.  The one that was damaged when he was brake checked might be worth the same who knows how many more were damaged.  I wonder how he will feel when he has to pay for bikes that could cost as much as his truck.

You'd have to be pretty rich and stupid to pay 4 to 7 thousand dollars for a bicycle.

How do you figure?

Because the marginal improvement from a $500 bicycle to a $5000 bicycle is so minor that there's no payback.  Unless you're actually a professional racer it's just a penis extension.

Wrong.  Just wrong.  Maybe there is marginal improvement in the $1500 range to the $5000 range, but for fast riders and racers (not just professionals, but club racers and triathletes) a good bike with that marginal gain can mean the difference between winning and losing.  A $500 bike from a bike shop will be a heavy, lug of a mountain bike.   You couldn't buy a road bike for less than $1000 new...$1200 at least to get one that is race-able.  Hell, a set of Aero wheels alone can cost $2000.

My Giant OCR cost $600. Light, handles great, and I rode up mt. St. Helens on it. And commuted for 5 years on it. Not all inexpensive bikes are shiatty lugs

Giant's cheapest new road bike is $1300 list.  The OCR is several years old.  Six or seven years ago, you could buy a good Giant or Fuji road bike (or mountain bike) for under $1000.  Not any more.


(Correction...the cheapest Giant is just over $1000)
 
2013-10-20 08:59:50 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Because the marginal improvement from a $500 bicycle to a $5000 bicycle is so minor that there's no payback.  Unless you're actually a professional racer it's just a penis extension.


Let me answer this one, Mr Tubby.  There is a huge difference between a $500 and $5000 bikes.  I would have to say that there isn't much difference between a reasonable $1700 bike and a $5000 bike.  There is a major difference in the weight.

I would not take a $500 bike on the 508 or RAAM.  I would ride a $1700 bike on either, with a backup.  In fact, I did.

As far as the 'tard who remarked that it is unlikely that the truck did a brake check on bikers if they were in a proper pace line - you do not know how to ride a bike.  On a road like the video, a good pace line should be hitting ~28MPH and a truck could easily swerve and stop before the bikes piled into one another, Mr. Couch Potato.

I have to agree that I have seen some very stupid riders.  Five abreast out into streets or blowing through traffic lights because they think people will break for them.  That being written, I have more often encountered beer bottles and dumbf**k hicks in trucks who should be put to death because they are so f**king retarded.  Generally those people get confused that being an asshole does not mean you are a tough guy, it just means you are an asshole.

The fat, redneck in the truck is typical of the lazy sacks of crap who think just because they are too lazy to exercise and that their inconsequential lives require them to get home as quickly as possible to drink their Jack and watch Fox tell them how much the libs suck.

I was riding to work one day.  A BMW raced past me them pulled into the driveway just ahead of me.  I skidded into it, took my foot out of my clips and drove the metal into the side of his BMW to stop.  He seemed to be a bit peeved that I torn into the side of his BMW.  As opposed to the nice response of the video person, my response was "What the f**k are you going to do about this or anything else I want to do to your car right now, you piece of s**t."  Granted, I outweighed him by 50 pounds or so and he felt that my proximity to his face meant that I was about to rip his head off and f**k his spinal column.  I think we parted as "friends", or at least an understanding of what was just about to occur next.
 
2013-10-20 09:04:55 PM
I just saw ~20 bikers blow through a red light and almost cause an accident.
 
2013-10-20 09:11:28 PM
I guess he needs to be Asian to get away with it...
 
2013-10-20 09:18:57 PM

meehaw: FormlessOne: Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.

...and the arrest, too, was conveniently generated.

The real point, though, is why are we taking sides in an argument generated by a video that only shows part of what happened? Is this what we've come to, that we don't really care about anything other than the chance to argue pointlessly with each other?

Yes.


No.
 
2013-10-20 09:25:58 PM

Fubini: I just saw ~20 bikers blow through a red light and almost cause an accident.



Yesterday I saw a pickup truck go right through a red light.  This is very relevant.
 
2013-10-20 09:31:05 PM

FormlessOne: The real point, though, is why are we taking sides in an argument generated by a video that only shows part of what happened? Is this what we've come to, that we don't really care about anything other than the chance to argue pointlessly with each other?


Yeah, except what the video shows is the driver admitting he passed the group of cyclists, then ran them off the road.  So I'm a little confused about how there is any doubt.
 
2013-10-20 09:32:01 PM

Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.


Yeah, that is unfortunate.  I understand why he would have only started recording after the incident began (had to get a phone out of his pocket.  This is kind of thing is literally why I have cameras mounted on my bike and record every ride, but that trend is still a growing one).  The fact that he skipped a good chunk of it makes me curious.

When I shake my impotent fists of rage on YouTube, I try to post all relevant parts of the incident.  Maybe in this case the middle part was boring.  But if that was the case, he should have posted the unabridged version and linked to it with the edited one.
 
2013-10-20 09:43:39 PM

serial_crusher: Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.

Yeah, that is unfortunate.  I understand why he would have only started recording after the incident began (had to get a phone out of his pocket.  This is kind of thing is literally why I have cameras mounted on my bike and record every ride, but that trend is still a growing one).  The fact that he skipped a good chunk of it makes me curious.

When I shake my impotent fists of rage on YouTube, I try to post all relevant parts of the incident.  Maybe in this case the middle part was boring.  But if that was the case, he should have posted the unabridged version and linked to it with the edited one.


You just come across as very angry in your videos.
 
2013-10-20 09:47:36 PM

change1211: You just come across as very angry in your videos.


I only post the ones where people make me angry, so maybe that's it?
Honestly I don't see a lot of beautiful sunrises or double rainbows on my average morning commute to work.
 
2013-10-20 09:56:46 PM
He's an old, angry white guy in rural Texas.  He had that baseball bat in his truck for a reason, and it isn't softball night at the Rotary Club.
 
2013-10-20 09:57:37 PM

One Bad Apple: Hokey as in selectively edited. There is nothing about a brake check shown in the video. The differences in momentum and maneuverability of a truck vs a bicycle makes that scenario seem unlikely.


Seriously, I really enjoyed it where they were able to edit to appear as if he point-blank admitted to intentionally running them off the road.
 
2013-10-20 10:16:53 PM

Your Hind Brain: bike licenses and insurance. Regulate the cyclist activity and maybe they won't be a douchebags on the road.


That's some of the stupidest shait I've ever heard.  I call for internet licenses and insurance to cover the damage caused by stupid posts.

What next? walking license?
 
2013-10-20 10:19:08 PM

rosebud_the_sled: Mr. Eugenides: Because the marginal improvement from a $500 bicycle to a $5000 bicycle is so minor that there's no payback.  Unless you're actually a professional racer it's just a penis extension.

Let me answer this one, Mr Tubby.  There is a huge difference between a $500 and $5000 bikes.  I would have to say that there isn't much difference between a reasonable $1700 bike and a $5000 bike.  There is a major difference in the weight.

I would not take a $500 bike on the 508 or RAAM.  I would ride a $1700 bike on either, with a backup.  In fact, I did.

As far as the 'tard who remarked that it is unlikely that the truck did a brake check on bikers if they were in a proper pace line - you do not know how to ride a bike.  On a road like the video, a good pace line should be hitting ~28MPH and a truck could easily swerve and stop before the bikes piled into one another, Mr. Couch Potato.

I have to agree that I have seen some very stupid riders.  Five abreast out into streets or blowing through traffic lights because they think people will break for them.  That being written, I have more often encountered beer bottles and dumbf**k hicks in trucks who should be put to death because they are so f**king retarded.  Generally those people get confused that being an asshole does not mean you are a tough guy, it just means you are an asshole.

The fat, redneck in the truck is typical of the lazy sacks of crap who think just because they are too lazy to exercise and that their inconsequential lives require them to get home as quickly as possible to drink their Jack and watch Fox tell them how much the libs suck.

I was riding to work one day.  A BMW raced past me them pulled into the driveway just ahead of me.  I skidded into it, took my foot out of my clips and drove the metal into the side of his BMW to stop.  He seemed to be a bit peeved that I torn into the side of his BMW.  As opposed to the nice response of the video person, my response was "What the f**k are you going ...


images.wikia.com
 
2013-10-20 10:19:25 PM
How can you say this man's anger isn't justified? He might have been delayed by thirty to ninety seconds by that group of bicyclists! He was in such a hurry that he had no choice but to get ahead of them and cause a wreck, which cost him even more time! The moment he saw them he thought "I'm going to get ahead of them, and make at least one of them run off the road, then I'll have to go court, and waste time and money, and it's all their fault for being on my road!" Can't you see how that would make him angry?
 
2013-10-20 10:20:22 PM

Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.


That was some awesome CGI of the guy damaging that bicycle at the end. Wow, anyone can get ahold of this tech nowadays.
 
2013-10-20 10:23:15 PM

One Bad Apple: They were using the bike to barricade the old guy. That bike is not there at the beginning of the video.


Well, did he cause an injury? Did get get out and assault them? Was he threatening to leave the scene?

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
 
2013-10-20 10:27:13 PM

Lsherm: One Bad Apple: unyon: Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.

Yeah.  And see how they slipped their expensive bike under the rear tires of the truck, just so the guy would run over and destroy it when taking off?  Sneaky assholes.

They were using the bike to barricade the old guy. That bike is not there at the beginning of the video.

That's what happens when you leave your toys in the middle of the road

Norad:

Hokey, as in 'fake'? This looks pretty damn authentic to me. It's no trick slamming your brakes on in front of a pack of speeding bicyclists. What's tripping your bullshiat trigger on this video?

Hokey as in selectively edited. There is nothing about a brake check shown in the video. The differences in momentum and maneuverability of a truck vs a bicycle makes that scenario seem unlikely.

That was my favorite part, because they clearly put it there thinking he wouldn't run over it.


Actually MY favorite part is how he now has knowingly destroyed someone's private property. That, plus him leaving the scene of an accident and threatening people with the bat(Also known as "assault") are definitely worth getting the popcorn out for.

Funny thin is, I think packs of cyclists can be self-absorbed douchebags.
 
2013-10-20 10:27:43 PM
I have no idea what actually happened, but I will say that anybody who thinks "brake checking" someone else is an idiot. Anytime I see "brake check", I read, "tried to cause an accident".
 
2013-10-20 10:31:01 PM

Mr. Eugenides: meehaw: That bike the old bastard ran over is probably worth $4-7 grand.  The one that was damaged when he was brake checked might be worth the same who knows how many more were damaged.  I wonder how he will feel when he has to pay for bikes that could cost as much as his truck.

You'd have to be pretty rich and stupid to pay 4 to 7 thousand dollars for a bicycle.


IN other words, you don't understand how cycling works. Thanks for chiming in though.
 
2013-10-20 10:31:31 PM

discgolfguru: I have no idea what actually happened, but I will say that anybody who thinks "brake checking" someone else is an idiot. Anytime I see "brake check", I read, "tried to cause an accident".




Except accidents are accidents. Brake checking is trying to cause a collision on purpose.
 
2013-10-20 10:31:44 PM

Norad: One Bad Apple: How the f*ck does a pick up truck brake check someone on a bicycle ?

Hokey video is hokey

Hokey, as in 'fake'? This looks pretty damn authentic to me. It's no trick slamming your brakes on in front of a pack of speeding bicyclists. What's tripping your bullshiat trigger on this video?



His extra chromosome.
 
2013-10-20 10:32:08 PM

discgolfguru: I have no idea what actually happened, but I will say that anybody who thinks "brake checking" someone else is an idiot. Anytime I see "brake check", I read, "tried to cause an accident".


Or tried to pull an insurance scam.
 
2013-10-20 10:34:33 PM

meehaw: Mr. Eugenides: karmachameleon: Mr. Eugenides: meehaw: That bike the old bastard ran over is probably worth $4-7 grand.  The one that was damaged when he was brake checked might be worth the same who knows how many more were damaged.  I wonder how he will feel when he has to pay for bikes that could cost as much as his truck.

You'd have to be pretty rich and stupid to pay 4 to 7 thousand dollars for a bicycle.

How do you figure?

Because the marginal improvement from a $500 bicycle to a $5000 bicycle is so minor that there's no payback.  Unless you're actually a professional racer it's just a penis extension.

Wrong.  Just wrong.  Maybe there is marginal improvement in the $1500 range to the $5000 range, but for fast riders and racers (not just professionals, but club racers and triathletes) a good bike with that marginal gain can mean the difference between winning and losing.  A $500 bike from a bike shop will be a heavy, lug of a mountain bike.   You couldn't buy a road bike for less than $1000 new...$1200 at least to get one that is race-able.  Hell, a set of Aero wheels alone can cost $2000.


I'm sure he has no idea what he's talking about... Especially if he thinks there is only a "marginal" improvement between $500 and $5K. Hell, there are mountains of difference just between a $200 and a $700 bike...
 
2013-10-20 10:45:00 PM

stonelotus: so charges for the bike fairy who kicked the truck?


What kind of charges? Is there damage to the truck? If so, it would civil court thing, not criminal like the old moron's charges would be.
 
2013-10-20 10:47:04 PM

rosebud_the_sled: Mr. Eugenides: Because the marginal improvement from a $500 bicycle to a $5000 bicycle is so minor that there's no payback.  Unless you're actually a professional racer it's just a penis extension.

Let me answer this one, Mr Tubby.  There is a huge difference between a $500 and $5000 bikes.  I would have to say that there isn't much difference between a reasonable $1700 bike and a $5000 bike.  There is a major difference in the weight.

So you're not arguing with the overall point I made simply the price point I selected.

 
2013-10-20 10:51:55 PM

gilgigamesh: This senile old bat threatens people with a baseball bat after causing an accident, says "you're damn right" when asked if he ran the guy off the road, then flees the scene of the accident before the police show, and yet half of you Farkers still defend him.

So yeah, this pretty much confirms that for some drivers, there's pretty much nothing a driver can do wrong. GIven that you are probably all licensed to drive and own a half ton death machine, I think I'll start carrying a gun when I ride.


To be fair, a lot of cyclists ride the road like they own it, some people get a little frustrated. It doesn't excuse the guy in any way, and it doesn't excuse the White Knighters, but I would guess that's why they support him, it's easy for ignorant people to just lump an entire group together, such as cyclists, based on the behavior of a portion of the group.
 
2013-10-20 10:52:38 PM

Mikey1969: meehaw: Mr. Eugenides: karmachameleon: Mr. Eugenides: meehaw: That bike the old bastard ran over is probably worth $4-7 grand.  The one that was damaged when he was brake checked might be worth the same who knows how many more were damaged.  I wonder how he will feel when he has to pay for bikes that could cost as much as his truck.

You'd have to be pretty rich and stupid to pay 4 to 7 thousand dollars for a bicycle.

How do you figure?

Because the marginal improvement from a $500 bicycle to a $5000 bicycle is so minor that there's no payback.  Unless you're actually a professional racer it's just a penis extension.

Wrong.  Just wrong.  Maybe there is marginal improvement in the $1500 range to the $5000 range, but for fast riders and racers (not just professionals, but club racers and triathletes) a good bike with that marginal gain can mean the difference between winning and losing.  A $500 bike from a bike shop will be a heavy, lug of a mountain bike.   You couldn't buy a road bike for less than $1000 new...$1200 at least to get one that is race-able.  Hell, a set of Aero wheels alone can cost $2000.

I'm sure he has no idea what he's talking about... Especially if he thinks there is only a "marginal" improvement between $500 and $5K. Hell, there are mountains of difference just between a $200 and a $700 bike...




To be fair, there is a point of diminishing returns. Where exactly that prices out will vary from year to year. One thing I used to tell people considering buying a bicycle just for general fitness (back in my shop days) when they would say "But I don't know if I need to spend that much" was "A more expensive bicycle is better than a less expensive one in many little ways that add up to a big difference overall. It makes them more enjoyable to ride, in ways that are difficult to put your finger on. If you enjoy riding your bicycle more, you're likely to do it more. The whole point is to exercise and stay in shape, so if you spend more money, and actually ride it, you are getting a much better value than buying a less expensive bicycle that will sit in the garage and collect dust."
 
2013-10-20 10:55:04 PM
God these threads are great for my ignore list. You get the brigade of fantasy legal master debaters (their one law: if it gives me sad it must be illegal), the "I wish I could be racist but no one laughs at my n-word jokes anymore, so now I hate cyclists" douchebags, the just-barely-contained-by-the-threat-of-prison-rape secret homicidal maniacs. Thanks guys! See you on the road, but not here ever again!
 
2013-10-20 10:59:11 PM
You know who else doesn't like to share the road with bikes?

img2u.info
 
2013-10-20 11:02:38 PM
Old bastard is farked.
 
2013-10-20 11:04:47 PM
Everyone in this video is an asshole, as are most of the farkers commenting in this thread. 
I'm sorry someone got hurt in the crash incident, but I'm not sorry one of the assholes got his bike run over after placing it in front of a pickup truck.  What did he think would happen?
 
2013-10-20 11:06:32 PM

quo vadimus: God these threads are great for my ignore list.


FIRST RULE OF IGNORE LIST IS...


forumsgallery.tapuz.co.il

WELCOME TO FARK
 
2013-10-20 11:07:25 PM
They should have just piled on that old farker and beat the snot out of his inbred ass.
 
2013-10-20 11:13:26 PM

Merry Sunshine: Everyone in this video is an asshole, as are most of the farkers commenting in this thread. 
I'm sorry someone got hurt in the crash incident, but I'm not sorry one of the assholes got his bike run over after placing it in front of a pickup truck.  What did he think would happen?


Nobody is sorry anyone got hurt in this incident.  Absolutely none of us.  You know it, i know it, we know it.  We don't give a f*ck about the injuries suffered in the making of this cellphone video.  it's entertainment to us--tepid entertainment admittedly--but let's not trample each other in a vain attempt at moral high ground brinksmanship.  Just gawk like an honest person.
 
2013-10-20 11:14:16 PM

Merry Sunshine: Everyone in this video is an asshole, as are most of the farkers commenting in this thread. 
I'm sorry someone got hurt in the crash incident, but I'm not sorry one of the assholes got his bike run over after placing it in front of a pickup truck.  What did he think would happen?




Would you have run over it? Would you have left the scene of an accident?
 
2013-10-20 11:14:38 PM

meehaw: FormlessOne: Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.

...and the arrest, too, was conveniently generated.

The real point, though, is why are we taking sides in an argument generated by a video that only shows part of what happened? Is this what we've come to, that we don't really care about anything other than the chance to argue pointlessly with each other?

Yes.


No
 
2013-10-20 11:14:54 PM
Vote Republican!
 
2013-10-20 11:15:39 PM

Merry Sunshine: Everyone in this video is an asshole, as are most of the farkers commenting in this thread.
I'm sorry someone got hurt in the crash incident, but I'm not sorry one of the assholes got his bike run over after placing it in front of a pickup truck.  What did he think would happen?


Also, how does riding down a road on a bicycle make you an asshole?
 
2013-10-20 11:17:53 PM

bikerific: Fubini: I just saw ~20 bikers blow through a red light and almost cause an accident.


Yesterday I saw a pickup truck go right through a red light.  This is very relevant.


Everyday I would get hit by drivers that think a stop sign is a go sign.  Fortunately I can read, am not color blind and pay attention.

Been almost car doored a few times by idiots who can't bother to look before opening their door.

I've seen idiots ride through red lights and cut off traffic.

I've seen pedestrians run around like small animals trying to get hit.

Not sure how pointing out dumbasses is relevant since they are everywhere doing all sorts of things.
 
2013-10-20 11:18:17 PM

Merry Sunshine: I'm not sorry one of the assholes got his bike run over after placing it in front of a pickup truck.  What did he think would happen?



Maybe they thought the guy would wait until police responded to the accident, rather than fleeing the scene abruptly.  They were just kind of standing around and the guy took off.

I will concede that it looked like a lack of situational awareness and/or naivete on the part of the cyclist.  Yeah, a rational driver should not have gotten into his truck and abruptly fled the scene, running down whomever was in front of him.  The cyclist standing by the front of the truck should have realized the driver was not rational.  Which still makes it the driver's fault, of course.
 
2013-10-20 11:21:15 PM
And I'm not at all sure the bicycle was purposely left in front of this jackasses' truck. He shouted abuse as he passed them, only to pull in front of them and brake in order to cause an intentional collision. Then he gets out, and waves around a baseball bat. At that point, no reasonable person is going to think that he'll be restrained from leaving if he has to run over a bicycle to do so. But it doesn't matter, either he'll be paying for the damage out of his pocket, or through increased insurance premiums.
 
2013-10-20 11:30:12 PM
That was really stupid of him to brake check and take out a couple bicyclists when a little swerving would have taken them all out.


/i keed
 
2013-10-20 11:33:43 PM
I liked this thread because I can't stand cyclists, and I don't care for rednecks in pickup trucks. So a win-win for me in every line! Neither group should be allowed on the road.
 
2013-10-20 11:40:21 PM
Empty H: Nope, just really angry when some little chihuahua in a BMW acts like a dick and doesn't care about running me over when I'm commuting to work.  Would you have stopped and apologized for dinging up his little car?  Or would you have just offered him some of your Cheezy Puffs?
 
2013-10-20 11:40:50 PM
Always fun to see the Lance Armstrong Impersonators Guild still out and about even after the downfall of their idol.
 
2013-10-20 11:42:55 PM

mongbiohazard: Norad: One Bad Apple: How the f*ck does a pick up truck brake check someone on a bicycle ?

Hokey video is hokey

Hokey, as in 'fake'? This looks pretty damn authentic to me. It's no trick slamming your brakes on in front of a pack of speeding bicyclists. What's tripping your bullshiat trigger on this video?


His extra chromosome.


Is that a Down's syndrome joke?  Are we allowed to make those now?
 
2013-10-20 11:50:12 PM
Came for the fat people and their unwarranted bike-hate.

Leaving satisfied
 
2013-10-20 11:50:29 PM
Repo Man: 

Also, how does riding down a road on a bicycle make you an asshole?


Its quite simple.

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 5%
simplegreenorganichappy.com

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 20%
www.bikemaine.org

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 95.3%
images.teamsugar.com
 
2013-10-20 11:54:02 PM

Mr. Eugenides: rosebud_the_sled: Mr. Eugenides: Because the marginal improvement from a $500 bicycle to a $5000 bicycle is so minor that there's no payback.  Unless you're actually a professional racer it's just a penis extension.

Let me answer this one, Mr Tubby.  There is a huge difference between a $500 and $5000 bikes.  I would have to say that there isn't much difference between a reasonable $1700 bike and a $5000 bike.  There is a major difference in the weight.


So you're not arguing with the overall point I made simply the price point I selected.

True.  Most people who are concerned about shaving a few ounces from their frame should concentrate on either shaving several pounds off their body or becoming a better rider.  When I volunteer for double centuries, the front runners are generally have good bikes; the people at the rear of the pack have wind swept microgram $20,000 frames and all I can think is "Why did you piss all this money away and still suck?"

There was a woman at the bike shop last year when I was looking for some tubes who was hunting for a bike for her 8 year old son's birthday.  She bought one for about $8,000.  The kid is probably some tub of goo who will never be allowed to leave the driveway.

A couple of examples: A friend of mine - who could never be remotely equal to - has done a double with over 16,000 feet of climbing in a little over 13 hours on a steel framed fixed gear bike.  There was a guy who did Paris-Brest-Paris (>750 miles) a couple times ago on a push cart in less than 90 hours.

As far as I'm concerned, you only need to spend enough money to buy a reliable bike.  Everything else is fluff.  A reliable bike isn't cheap, but shouldn't be that expensive.
 
2013-10-20 11:55:06 PM

rosebud_the_sled: Empty H: Nope, just really angry when some little chihuahua in a BMW acts like a dick and doesn't care about running me over when I'm commuting to work.  Would you have stopped and apologized for dinging up his little car?  Or would you have just offered him some of your Cheezy Puffs?


Yeah, you told me.
 
2013-10-20 11:55:17 PM
Chances of being an asshole if your user name is LemSkroob: 100%
 
2013-10-20 11:55:50 PM

LemSkroob: Always fun to see the Lance Armstrong Impersonators Guild still out and about even after the downfall of their idol.


Lance Armstrong is a liar, a cheat and a filthy scumbag.
 
2013-10-20 11:59:28 PM
Getting out of his truck and admitting to running a bicyclist off the road while being filmed.
That won't play well in court. What an asshole.
 
2013-10-21 12:01:47 AM

rosebud_the_sled: LemSkroob: Always fun to see the Lance Armstrong Impersonators Guild still out and about even after the downfall of their idol.

Lance Armstrong is a liar, a cheat and a filthy scumbag.




I was an Eddy Merckx wannabe when Lance Armstrong was still riding BMX bikes. Cycling was only all about Lance because so many of my fellow Americans are ignorant and/or hopelessly parochial.
 
2013-10-21 12:03:53 AM

LemSkroob: Likelyhood of being an asshole: 95.3%


What the hell do you have against Patrick Dempsey? Sure, Grey's Anatomy sucks, but I hear he's a nice guy.
 
2013-10-21 12:13:01 AM

Repo Man: I was an Eddy Merckx wannabe when Lance Armstrong was still riding BMX bikes. Cycling was only all about Lance because so many of my fellow Americans are ignorant and/or hopelessly parochial.


As a friend of mine recently said to me: "I don't know what's so great about Lance Armstrong.  I've have as many Tour de France wins on the record books as he does."
I don't watch any of the professional events.  They are filled with juicers.  If you do some of the doubles and such, there are people there who truly love to bike and are inspiring.  There's this woman - roughly 65ish - who lost her leg to some drunk driver about 6 years ago.  She's riding double centuries below the cut-off time still.  I felt honored to have her draft behind me in near Bishop this year.
 
2013-10-21 12:13:42 AM

LemSkroob: Repo Man:

Also, how does riding down a road on a bicycle make you an asshole?


Its quite simple.

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 5%
[simplegreenorganichappy.com image 456x600]

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 20%
[www.bikemaine.org image 850x1171]

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 95.3%
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In my own personal experiences the last guy is more of a 50/50 (I'm in the good 50..)
95.3 is this guy:
clubfixie.com
 
2013-10-21 12:22:14 AM
I've got an idea.

Why don't we create a new extreme sport out of one of the world's most basic forms of transportation? Where people can pay thousands of dollars (and thus become deeply invested) for fragile equipment only to utilize it recreationally in the same high traffic areas the public uses for workplace commuting. These hobbyists can join clubs and develop the same exclusive camaraderie and member protectiveness witnessed in extralegal motorcycle brotherhoods. And by ratcheting up every aspect of this sport the wonderful dichotomy between non-hobbyists in sturdy, high-speed automobiles (that most calming of transportation vessels) and exercizing hobbyists on unprotected, relatively slow-speed bicycles having to share the same road will result in only peaceful attitudes between both parties.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
2013-10-21 12:31:55 AM

Darth Macho: I've got an idea.

Why don't we create a new extreme sport out of one of the world's most basic forms of transportation? Where people can pay thousands of dollars (and thus become deeply invested) for fragile equipment only to utilize it recreationally in the same high traffic areas the public uses for workplace commuting. These hobbyists can join clubs and develop the same exclusive camaraderie and member protectiveness witnessed in extralegal motorcycle brotherhoods. And by ratcheting up every aspect of this sport the wonderful dichotomy between non-hobbyists in sturdy, high-speed automobiles (that most calming of transportation vessels) and exercizing hobbyists on unprotected, relatively slow-speed bicycles having to share the same road will result in only peaceful attitudes between both parties.

What could possibly go wrong?


Darth Macho: I've got an idea.

Why don't we create a new extreme sport out of one of the world's most basic forms of transportation? Where people can pay thousands of dollars (and thus become deeply invested) for fragile equipment only to utilize it recreationally in the same high traffic areas the public uses for workplace commuting. These hobbyists can join clubs and develop the same exclusive camaraderie and member protectiveness witnessed in extralegal motorcycle brotherhoods. And by ratcheting up every aspect of this sport the wonderful dichotomy between non-hobbyists in sturdy, high-speed automobiles (that most calming of transportation vessels) and exercizing hobbyists on unprotected, relatively slow-speed bicycles having to share the same road will result in only peaceful attitudes between both parties.

What could possibly go wrong?




I spend a good portion of every work day driving a pick up truck for my job in and around one of the most cycling friendly small cities in northern California. And I never have a problem with people on bicycles. Every now and then I have to slow down on a two lane road, and wait until I can see far enough ahead to safely pass someone on a bicycle. Meanwhile, I have fellow motorists trying to kill me on a regular basis by not paying attention to their surroundings while driving. Yeah, what a plague on the road these bicycle riders are.
And you don't seem to know much about the history of bicycle racing.
 
2013-10-21 12:38:17 AM
Regardless of where we come in the old codger admitted to causing and accident then left the scene.
I hope they rail his ass six ways from Sunday for leaving the scene.
 
2013-10-21 12:42:45 AM
You know, I think the only real asshole cyclist I've had to deal with on the road -- and I'll admit to not driving all that much -- wasn't actually on a bike at the time. No, he was jogging. But he was jogging in the middle of the thankfully not too busy road with the flow of traffic. Which is why I figure he was a cyclist, following traffic rules but forgetting he wasn't actually on his bike.

I passed him like you would a cyclist, but to this day I regret not honking my horn at the guy.

Of course, on a hilly two-way, getting caught behind a bicycle kind of sucks, because finding a safe passing zone is not easy. Hope you don't mind an old sedan slowly shadowing you for half a mile or so, Mr. Biker!
 
2013-10-21 12:44:02 AM

Repo Man: I spend a good portion of every work day driving a pick up truck for my job in and around one of the most cycling friendly small cities in northern California. And I never have a problem with people on bicycles.

 Every now and then I have to slow down on a two lane road, and wait until I can see far enough ahead to safely pass someone on a bicycle. Meanwhile, I have fellow motorists trying to kill me on a regular basis by not paying attention to their surroundings while driving. Yeah, what a plague on the road these bicycle riders are.

Key point there is about the drivers. Even in another automobile public roads are dangerous. People suck. Unless sport bicyclists can maintain 50mph they're going to have conflicts with drivers and these stories will continue to pop up.

I may not know the history of bicycle racing but I know in the last decade I've had hostile encounters with sport bike people, and I'm strictly a pedestrian / commute bicyclist. They're getting abuse from drivers and becoming more aggressive in response. So maybe they need to take the exercise onto a closed road.

I'm not saying bicyclists are the problem. I'm saying it's the environment.
 
2013-10-21 12:59:27 AM

Darth Macho: Repo Man: I spend a good portion of every work day driving a pick up truck for my job in and around one of the most cycling friendly small cities in northern California. And I never have a problem with people on bicycles. Every now and then I have to slow down on a two lane road, and wait until I can see far enough ahead to safely pass someone on a bicycle. Meanwhile, I have fellow motorists trying to kill me on a regular basis by not paying attention to their surroundings while driving. Yeah, what a plague on the road these bicycle riders are.

Key point there is about the drivers. Even in another automobile public roads are dangerous. People suck. Unless sport bicyclists can maintain 50mph they're going to have conflicts with drivers and these stories will continue to pop up.

I may not know the history of bicycle racing but I know in the last decade I've had hostile encounters with sport bike people, and I'm strictly a pedestrian / commute bicyclist. They're getting abuse from drivers and becoming more aggressive in response. So maybe they need to take the exercise onto a closed road.

I'm not saying bicyclists are the problem. I'm saying it's the environment.




The conflict is caused by a sense of entitlement. Look at this guy. He managed to get around the bicyclists, only to purposely drive one of them off the road. Why was he so angry that he would do that? Does he do that sort of thing when there is agricultural equipment going very slowly down a narrow road, causing a delay? I can't say for sure that he doesn't, but my hunch is no. He likely accepts the right of farm tractors to use the road, and lives with any inconvenience they might cause. But there is an all too prevalent attitude among all too many motorists that any inconvenience or delay caused by people on bicycles is completely unacceptable. They insist that bicycles don't belong on the road, the law says otherwise. It is an irrational hatred, and the logical justifications trotted out for it always vanish when exposed to the light of facts and reason. But that makes no difference to people like him. He (and others like him) is not a reasonable person acting in a reasonable manner. You can't use logic to change his mind, because no logic was used to develop his attitudes. All he will respect is force.
 
2013-10-21 01:08:48 AM
Repo Man:
The conflict is caused by a sense of entitlement. Look at this guy. He managed to get around the bicyclists, only to purposely drive one of them off the road. Why was he so angry that he would do that? Does he do that sort of thing when there is agricultural equipment going very slowly down a narrow road, causing a delay? I can't say for sure that he doesn't, but my hunch is no. He likely accepts the right of farm tractors to use the road, and lives with any inconvenience they might cause.

There is a difference between people using the roads for their functional intent (commerce/industry/transport) and their being a social understanding that for the benefit of us all, you have to accept things like tractors or slow trucks being on the roads, and invetment bankers using the roads as their weekend-warrior playgrounds when other people need to get shiat done. It is this second group that pisses people off, because they are putting their pleasure and indulgences over other people necessities.
 
2013-10-21 01:15:52 AM

cirby: One Bad Apple:
How the f*ck does a pick up truck brake check someone on a bicycle ?

Cars and trucks have better brakes than bicycles, and can stop about twice as fast at road speeds. If someone in a truck like that is passing a bicycle at anything better than walking speed, they can easily pull in front of the bike and stop too fast for the bike to stop.
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Uh, no. They have "better" brakes for bringing 3000-6000lbs to a stop. Bicycle brakes are plenty capable of bringing a bicycle to a stop from some bike-capable speed faster than what a car can do given a fair test. (Brake checks are not a fair test, one contestant is already fully on the brakes while the other has to find and apply the braking device.) Of course, it does require more skill for a bicyclist to do this properly without wiping out or going end-over, whereas the vehicle driver just has to stand on a pedal. It also requires them to be ready to brake, which isn't necessarily the case all the time.
 
2013-10-21 01:23:53 AM
a little research on Mr. Clark shows he lives at the east end of the loop shown in the middle of this map.

maps.googleapis.com

As a loop it has no through traffic, and with his house at the east end there should be practically no traffic at his house because the shortest way to get out doesn't go past it. It is almost like living at the end of a dead end street.

It seems that the bike club decided that a 2 mile loop with no traffic was a good place to ride so now Mr. Clark has socialist bikers in gay outfits intruding on his isolation.
 
2013-10-21 02:02:23 AM
If they cyclists are anything like the ones around here, they were taking up the whole road and were refusing to move over for motor vehicles like they are supposed to.  Cyclists insist they we have to share the road.  I agree.  Yet they don't seem to understand that they have to farking share the road, too, and they don't get to hold up traffic.  If you have cars backing up behind you, you are required by law to move over, farktards.
 
2013-10-21 02:04:13 AM

unyon: Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.

Yeah.  And see how they slipped their expensive bike under the rear tires of the truck, just so the guy would run over and destroy it when taking off?  Sneaky assholes.


There was a video of some San Francisco bike douches doing just that.  They were antagonizing some older couple and you can see one guy pick up a bike and put it under the bumper to make it look worse.
 
2013-10-21 02:16:06 AM
Mr. Eugenides:

You'd have to be pretty rich and stupid to pay 4 to 7 thousand dollars for a bicycle.

You have no clue. A competition road bike is 8K-12K, Add some more for different gearing clusters. add some more for different wheels.
Wheel sets can cost $5K

I world class competition road bike $20K+

The prototype Cervelo SLC_SL frame that my father was given to test  was valued at $5K.


A Cervelo RCA frame is $10K

My dad laughed.
 
2013-10-21 02:25:37 AM

LemSkroob: Repo Man: 

Also, how does riding down a road on a bicycle make you an asshole?


Its quite simple.

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 5%
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Likelyhood of being an asshole: 20%
[www.bikemaine.org image 850x1171]

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 95.3%
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You have that a bit wrong. The spandex boys are usually on it. They know the game and the rules.
It's the dork on the tank with the shopping bags riding down the middle of the road a 7mph that are the worst offenders.
 
2013-10-21 03:54:28 AM

blender61: LemSkroob: Repo Man: 

Also, how does riding down a road on a bicycle make you an asshole?


Its quite simple.

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 5%
[simplegreenorganichappy.com image 456x600]

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 20%
[www.bikemaine.org image 850x1171]

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 95.3%
[images.teamsugar.com image 550x421]

You have that a bit wrong. The spandex boys are usually on it. They know the game and the rules.
It's the dork on the tank with the shopping bags riding down the middle of the road a 7mph that are the worst offenders.


Nope.  The worse offenders are the bicycle messengers in San Francisco (and probably all other big cities).  They don't believe rules of the road and basic safety standards apply to them.  And when one of them gets flattened by a bus because he decided to pull right out in front of it, the messengers stage a protest.  Darwin laughs at them.  They make his job so easy.
 
2013-10-21 04:05:30 AM
OgreMagi:

Nope.  The worse offenders are the bicycle messengers in San Francisco (and probably all other big cities).  They don't believe rules of the road and basic safety standards apply to them.  And when one of them gets flattened by a bus because he decided to pull right out in front of it, the messengers stage a protest.  Darwin laughs at them.  They make his job so easy.

:) you got me there.
bike messengers are a special kind of crazy.
 
2013-10-21 04:09:38 AM

blender61: OgreMagi:

Nope.  The worse offenders are the bicycle messengers in San Francisco (and probably all other big cities).  They don't believe rules of the road and basic safety standards apply to them.  And when one of them gets flattened by a bus because he decided to pull right out in front of it, the messengers stage a protest.  Darwin laughs at them.  They make his job so easy.

:) you got me there.
bike messengers are a special kind of crazy stupid.


A slight correction.  It think it's the meth.
 
2013-10-21 04:27:21 AM
We don't know exactly what happened.  We have a video that starts after the incident and shows a group of bicyclists confronting someone who admits to hiting a rider and whom is holding a bat at the time of the interview.  He then gets in the truck and leaves the scene of an accident running over additional bikes.  There certainly is enough to charge a crime, but you can charge a potato as well, it doesn't mean he will be convicted.  However once the whole investigation takes place, we may see these charges go away or be enhanced.  You rarely hear charging decisions and alterations 6 months down the line.

Putting on my devils advocate hat and what this older vehicle driver may say., We know a certain segment of the cyclist community can be aggressive.  He could have had a conflict with one of these and being older and outnumbered when he was confronted with that interview, he was fearful being older and knowing what happened in NY with the motorcyclists so he had the bat for protection.  If he feared for his safety, he could have felt the need to flee and contact law enforcement away from the group of riders. It wouldn't be fleeing the scene of the accident if he informs law enforcement why he is doing it and where he will be located to discuss the incident.  You don't want an accident to escalate into an assault so sometimes separation is a good thing.

I am certainly not saying any of this happened.  The driver (now defendant)  could have driven like a maniac and mowed down the riders and then acted like an asshole driving off to mow down pedestrians at a farmers market.  However taking a specific segment of video showing the negative conduct or behavior of one party without showing the whole incident and what may have been negative conduct by the other party can lead to a rather slanted viewpoints.  You most often see this in police recordings by third parties that capture conduct of police on suspects without capturing what the suspect did that warranted that reaction.  I am skeptical when I have a small segment of the aftermath without showing what happened leading up to the incident.
 
2013-10-21 04:29:17 AM

OgreMagi: If you have cars backing up behind you, you are required by law to move over, farktards.


As I mentioned above the incident took place on what bat-man, Sherman Clark, seems to consider his and the other resident's private road - it ends in a 2 mile loop with practically no traffic.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2468321/Grandfather-74-confr on ts-cyclists-baseball-bat-running-biker-road-suddenly-stopping-causing- injury.html

This was not the first incident Mr Clark has had with the group, he said he has exchanged profanities with them in the past ...

'This club comes out here and rides around and around and around our circle,' he lamented,'they make a nuisance of themselves.'



So he got mad that the cyclists were on HIS road and decided to do something about it.
 
2013-10-21 07:55:13 AM

NeoCortex42: For all we know, it's a two-lane road and the cyclists were taking up a good chunk of his lane. We don't know what the situation was before the video started.

While he is certainly an ass for brake-checking them, I have seen way too many cyclists that seem to feel they own the farking road and ride two or three abreast.


This failure of logic never ceases to amaze me.

They're taking up as much of the lane a a slow moving car would. How dare they. Are YOU acting like you own the whole road because your car takes up the majority of the lane its in?

Repeat after me: When I encounter a slow moving vehicle, no matter what type it is, I will pass it when it is safe and legal to do so. Until then I will quit acting like I'm entitled to drive as fast as I want and whine about people being in 'my way'.
 
2013-10-21 07:56:19 AM
Senility. It's a biatch.
 
2013-10-21 07:58:15 AM

HairBolus: OgreMagi: If you have cars backing up behind you, you are required by law to move over, farktards.

As I mentioned above the incident took place on what bat-man, Sherman Clark, seems to consider his and the other resident's private road - it ends in a 2 mile loop with practically no traffic.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2468321/Grandfather-74-confr on ts-cyclists-baseball-bat-running-biker-road-suddenly-stopping-causing- injury.html

This was not the first incident Mr Clark has had with the group, he said he has exchanged profanities with them in the past ...

'This club comes out here and rides around and around and around our circle,' he lamented,'they make a nuisance of themselves.'


So he got mad that the cyclists were on HIS road and decided to do something about it.



It would be interesting to know if the road is owned/maintained by the local government or by a HOA.  It has no center or side markings.  If it's a HOA, then it really IS his road...
 
2013-10-21 07:58:21 AM

Dinki: Given where the video starts, it's hard to say who is at fault. Were the cyclists riding single file as required by law, or were they all over the road obstructing traffic? The video starts with him stopped in the middle of the road. Were the cyclists also in the middle of the road?


I missed the part where we allow angry old men with baseball bats enforce the law.  I don't care if they were doing stunts down the middle of the street.  Old Man river is not a police officer.
 
2013-10-21 08:15:40 AM

serial_crusher: LemSkroob: Repo Man:

Also, how does riding down a road on a bicycle make you an asshole?


Its quite simple.

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 5%
[simplegreenorganichappy.com image 456x600]

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 20%
[www.bikemaine.org image 850x1171]

Likelyhood of being an asshole: 95.3%
[images.teamsugar.com image 550x421]

In my own personal experiences the last guy is more of a 50/50 (I'm in the good 50..)
95.3 is this guy:
[clubfixie.com image 444x497]


See this guy:

www.qtpi1969.net

That's right -fixie. 100% chance of being a douchebag.
 
2013-10-21 08:45:56 AM
I enjoy these threads because it shows how delusional the cyclist crowd is.
 
2013-10-21 08:55:14 AM

cirby: One Bad Apple:
How the f*ck does a pick up truck brake check someone on a bicycle ?

Cars and trucks have better brakes than bicycles, and can stop about twice as fast at road speeds. If someone in a truck like that is passing a bicycle at anything better than walking speed, they can easily pull in front of the bike and stop too fast for the bike to stop.
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Bikes aren't supposed to have brakes.  I know because Joseph Gordon-Levitt says it in that one documentary about bike riders who deliver packages and solve crimes.
 
2013-10-21 09:16:20 AM
Yes cyclists are often annoying  but you can't kill em!
 
2013-10-21 10:19:03 AM

Mikey1969: stonelotus: so charges for the bike fairy who kicked the truck?

What kind of charges? Is there damage to the truck? If so, it would civil court thing, not criminal like the old moron's charges would be.


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2013-10-21 10:25:08 AM

stonelotus: Mikey1969: stonelotus: so charges for the bike fairy who kicked the truck?

What kind of charges? Is there damage to the truck? If so, it would civil court thing, not criminal like the old moron's charges would be.

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I AM serious. What would the "charges" be? If he didn't damage the truck when kicking it, then there is nothing to file charges for. If he DID damage it, it would most likely be handled in civil court, as opposed to criminal court. The old guy's behavior, on the other hand, is full of stuff that goes to criminal court, assault, leaving the scene of an accident, causing an accident, etc...

/BTW, what he did with the baseball bat is the assault part there...
 
2013-10-21 11:13:28 AM

basemetal: I hate that anyone was hurt, but did like the part where he ran over the bike they were too stupid to move at the end.

/the law will take care of the old man


This, and I am a cyclist. Douchebags everywhere, in cars and on bikes.
 
2013-10-21 01:02:44 PM

mrbach: I liked this thread because I can't stand cyclists, and I don't care for rednecks in pickup trucks. So a win-win for me in every line!


You're still a f*cking loser for using the phrase "win-win".
 
Bf+
2013-10-21 01:33:23 PM
FTFA: "He needs counseling for sure. He needs Jesus," said Schoger.

3.bp.blogspot.com
Leave me otta this...
 
2013-10-21 02:11:13 PM
While I completely agree that brake-checking is dangerous and stupid, it's technically not his fault if he gets rear-ended. It is the trailing driver's (rider's) responsibility to keep a safe-distance. Period.  If someone swerves around you and clips your front-quarter while merging back in, it's his fault. But if he gets in front of you safely and you no longer have a safe margin, you are responsible for slowing down to make room.

If you take the reason for the brake-check out of the equation it makes more sense: Say a deer ran onto the road and the guy hits the brakes hard and you rear-end the guy. Is it the guy's fault for hitting his brakes? Is it the deer's fault?  No, it's your fault for not leaving a "safe margin" (check local listings as to how this is defined).

I agree it's completely unfair that you have to slow down for the asshole in front, but it is your responsibility.  Riding in a pack does not absolve you of that responsibility. If it takes a pack of riders longer to stop than a car, or a single rider, that's a "you" problem: Slow down or seek alternate route.
 
2013-10-21 02:19:30 PM
Like how many bikers vs one old mentally ill man equipped only with a little league bat?

The least they could have done was bait him away from his door, snatch the keys, lock the truckb and ride away, making rude gestures.

I mean the guy committed assault and no one was angry enough to let him have it right then and there?

Let him try that in NY.

/I used to ride quite a bit and your perspective changes when you move from the saddle to the steering wheel but I am always just scared to death of a cyclist veering in my path

/and this is (just like) my truck except I dont have them huge dive brake mirrors
www.gm-trucks.com
 
2013-10-21 03:03:02 PM

RobotSpider: While I completely agree that brake-checking is dangerous and stupid, it's technically not his fault if he gets rear-ended. It is the trailing driver's (rider's) responsibility to keep a safe-distance. Period. If someone swerves around you and clips your front-quarter while merging back in, it's his fault. But if he gets in front of you safely and you no longer have a safe margin, you are responsible for slowing down to make room.


"gets in front of you safely" and "no longer have a safe margin" are mutually exclusive.
Doesn't have to clip you on the side for it to be an unsafe merge.  If you're merging into a lane, you have to first ensure that a safe margin exists.  The vehicles already in that lane are not responsible to yield to the merging vehicle and providing that margin.  See page 42 of the Texas driver's handbook.  "Pass on the left and do not return to the right lane until you have safely cleared the overtaken vehicle"

The way this usually plays out is the car passes, cuts into your lane with insufficient clearance, and immediately slams on his brakes.  It's a pretty frequent attack that road ragers pull on cyclists, and dollars to donuts that's exactly what happened here.
I have had a few "merge safely in front of me and then slow down to a ridiculous speed" incidents, but by and large it's the cut off. 

/ Next time it happens my plan is to just merge into the left lane and increase speed to pass the road rager.  Worst case scenario, he matches my speed to cock block me and I get to go a reasonable speed in the left lane.  Just got to worry about some angry person behind us incorrectly blaming me for the ensuing traffic jam.
 
2013-10-21 05:12:31 PM
Maybe this has already been pointed out, but in order for us to see the whole scenario play out, the cyclist would've had to have his phone out and recording as the man in the truck came up on them and passed. At least in this case, as it didn't seem that he had a helmet cam on. I just don't understand the hatred for cyclists. Cyclists aren't out there picking fights with motorized vehicles--because those who ride regularly know that the car/truck will win every time. Can some of them be douchey? Sure....I see a few of those kind in just about every organized ride I do. But overall I see more cyclists acting responsible than not. There was no excuse for this.
 
2013-10-21 05:52:16 PM

JMcDub: Maybe this has already been pointed out, but in order for us to see the whole scenario play out, the cyclist would've had to have his phone out and recording as the man in the truck came up on them and passed. At least in this case, as it didn't seem that he had a helmet cam on. I just don't understand the hatred for cyclists. Cyclists aren't out there picking fights with motorized vehicles--because those who ride regularly know that the car/truck will win every time. Can some of them be douchey? Sure....I see a few of those kind in just about every organized ride I do. But overall I see more cyclists acting responsible than not. There was no excuse for this.


I don't have the hate for bicyclists, but I think for those who do that it's the pack thing.  One cyclist is not a problem.  Just a guy doing his thing.  12 cyclists riding in a bunch makes it seem like a parade, or a deliberate attempt to screw up traffic for everyone else.

/motorcycle pack is another matter.
//getting a farking parade permit if it's so crucial that you ride together
 
2013-10-21 06:11:26 PM

Dinki: Given where the video starts, it's hard to say who is at fault. Were the cyclists riding single file as required by law, or were they all over the road obstructing traffic? The video starts with him stopped in the middle of the road. Were the cyclists also in the middle of the road?


Not sure where you live, but in my state (Ohio) cyclists are entitled by law to ride two abreast.  In addition the courts have ruled that cyclists moving at appropriate speed for a bicycle ARE traffic and cannot be prosecuted for "impeding traffic".
 
2013-10-21 06:16:13 PM

FrancoFile: HairBolus:
So he got mad that the cyclists were on HIS road and decided to do something about it.

It would be interesting to know if the road is owned/maintained by the local government or by a HOA.  It has no center or side markings.  If it's a HOA, then it really IS his road...


images-37.har.com
This is the sign for the Red Oak Ranch subdivision at the intersection of Old Conroe Road and Lake Forrest Drive - where the incident was reported as being near. Beyond this sign Lake Forrest has no outlet - it terminates in a very low traffic 2 mile loop where cyclists like to ride.

It appears that Mr. Clark was making a stand near this entrance to keep the socialist gay bikers out of his subdivision. There is a Red Oak Ranch Property Owner's Association (RORPOA) with yearly fees of $500 but they don't seem to own the road.
 
2013-10-21 06:24:24 PM
I farking hate bicyclists.
 
2013-10-21 06:35:18 PM
well they sure showed him.
 
2013-10-21 06:36:18 PM

Ed Grubermann: Kyosuke: Conveniently edited for the bicyclist's convenience.

DERP! DERPA-DERPA-DOO! Idiot.


I agree with both of you.  Well, more the first guy, not the one signed by "idiot"

In my experience, cyclists are assholes, groups of any kind are filled with assholes, and people who use cameras to defend themselves are asshole.
 
2013-10-21 07:18:28 PM

HairBolus: FrancoFile: HairBolus:
So he got mad that the cyclists were on HIS road and decided to do something about it.

It would be interesting to know if the road is owned/maintained by the local government or by a HOA.  It has no center or side markings.  If it's a HOA, then it really IS his road...

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This is the sign for the Red Oak Ranch subdivision at the intersection of Old Conroe Road and Lake Forrest Drive - where the incident was reported as being near. Beyond this sign Lake Forrest has no outlet - it terminates in a very low traffic 2 mile loop where cyclists like to ride.

It appears that Mr. Clark was making a stand near this entrance to keep the socialist gay bikers out of his subdivision. There is a Red Oak Ranch Property Owner's Association (RORPOA) with yearly fees of $500 but they don't seem to own the road.


Old man moved there because he likes quiet and solitude.
People *not* from the neighborhood treat his street like a racecourse.
Collisionarity ensues.
 
2013-10-21 07:25:10 PM
I normally think cyclists in the city are assholes -- never had an issue with them on county roads though.

I side with the cyclists on this one.
 
2013-10-21 07:26:52 PM
Also, /csb time: been near the place of that accident. Since I prefer to spend the night in woodlands when going to the ren fest 10 miles away.
 
2013-10-21 07:43:25 PM

RobotSpider: While I completely agree that brake-checking is dangerous and stupid, it's technically not his fault if he gets rear-ended.


Wrong.
 
2013-10-21 07:47:14 PM

colon_pow: well they sure showed him.


They sure did. He was subsequently arrested for criminal mischief.

http://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/man-engages-cyclists-video /
 
2013-10-21 08:47:13 PM

chewielouie: colon_pow: well they sure showed him.

They sure did. He was subsequently arrested for criminal mischief.

http://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/man-engages-cyclists-video /


That article has info I haven't seen yet:

... According to one of the cyclists, Steve Schoger, Clark  drove past them and along with a few cuss words told the cyclists to get off his street.

Clark then pulled in front of the cyclists and slowed down to about 15 mph. With the cyclists already peddling close to 25 mph one of the riders went to pass Clark. That is when Clark began to drive to the left running the cyclist to the shoulder of the road.

Another cyclist, then came around Clarks right side in an attempt to go around. That is when Clark slammed his brakes on causing cyclist Rick Sauvageau to slam into the back of Clark's truck.  Sauvageau fractured his wrist, dislocated his shoulder and injured his left knee in the incident.

Clark then got out of the truck with a baseball bat ... drove off running over one of the cyclists $5,000 bicycles. ...

The Montgomery County Sheriff's Office was dispatched to the scene and Clark was arrested for criminal mischief  $1,500 to $20,000 and for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. ...

Schoger said they have been riding the peaceful two mile loop off Old Conroe Road in the Red Oak Estates Subdivision for almost 15 years with no problems except for one several years  ago.


In that incident almost 20 cyclists were riding the loop when Clark was backing out of his driveway. Schoger waited a short time and when the cyclists approached he backed out in front of them causing them to have to stop.

...

Online records say that Clark's house was built in 2000, so if the club has been riding there for 15 years then they were there before Mr. Clark, even if he bought his house new.

After 13 years of fuming about bicycles I guess he had a senior moment, loaded a baseball bat into his truck, and decided to do something.
 
2013-10-22 01:31:20 AM

Repo Man: Merry Sunshine: Everyone in this video is an asshole, as are most of the farkers commenting in this thread. 
I'm sorry someone got hurt in the crash incident, but I'm not sorry one of the assholes got his bike run over after placing it in front of a pickup truck.  What did he think would happen?



Would you have run over it? Would you have left the scene of an accident?


No, because unlike the bat-wielding pickup driver, I'm not an asshole.
 
2013-10-22 01:35:05 AM

Repo Man: Merry Sunshine: Everyone in this video is an asshole, as are most of the farkers commenting in this thread.
I'm sorry someone got hurt in the crash incident, but I'm not sorry one of the assholes got his bike run over after placing it in front of a pickup truck.  What did he think would happen?

Also, how does riding down a road on a bicycle make you an asshole?


It doesn't. A herd of the bastards taking up the whole road makes them assholes. Placing a $5000 (if you people can be believed) bicycle in front of a pickup driven by a lunatic asshole and expecting that this will prevent said asshole from driving off makes them entitled, spoiled assholes. These people deserve one another. The only guy who didn't deserve something was the guy who got hurt.
 
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