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(Climate Depot)   2013 has been the least extreme year for weather since 2005. EVERYBODY PANIC MILDLY   (climatedepot.com) divider line 142
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2013-10-20 03:15:06 PM
It's looking like winter is going to make up for it. Cold and snowy in north America.
 
2013-10-20 03:23:12 PM
If the conservative agitprop website says so.
 
2013-10-20 03:39:27 PM

SurfaceTension: It's looking like winter is going to make up for it. Cold and snowy in north America.


Cold? In North America? During the winter???

Somebody call Al Gore!
 
2013-10-20 04:39:39 PM
Wasn't 2005 the year god decided to go for broke and turn the hurricaine machine up to 11?
 
2013-10-20 04:52:52 PM
Once in a while you will have an exception to the rule. An occasional outlier is hardly a basis for throwing out the rules.

Having said that, keeping track of climates consistently on a widespread scale is a relatively recent scientific achievement. We've only had weather satellites in existence for around 50 years or so...
 
2013-10-20 05:06:20 PM

SurfaceTension: It's looking like winter is going to make up for it. Cold and snowy in north America.

 
2013-10-20 05:08:35 PM
Mild if you don't consider the massive flooding in Alberta or Colorado...
 
2013-10-20 05:11:01 PM
Humans don't know dick about dick when it comes to climate and Earth changes.
 
2013-10-20 05:13:26 PM
On the other side here in Australia, each year is hotter than the one before. We're in the middle of the worst fires in 45 years in Sydney - and it's waaaaay early for bushfire season anyway. Don't know about climate change, but I do know it's not nice to be in this...
 
2013-10-20 05:16:46 PM
In 2005, a massive hurricane hit my hometown...so yeah...
 
2013-10-20 05:21:24 PM
Hmm... That still makes 2005 look batishiat insane by 1995 standards though. I'm pretty sure the point is not to measure anything past the year 2000 against anything past the year 2000.
 
2013-10-20 05:29:13 PM
I heard somewhere that the oceans are storing more heat than they should normally, which will lead to the climatological equivalent of an earthquake when that energy finally gets released.
 
2013-10-20 05:30:12 PM
Why wouldn't I trust a site called "Climate Depot"
 
2013-10-20 05:45:26 PM
Good thing those droughts and wildfires out west and record setting rains in the east were just figments of my imagination. Phew.
 
2013-10-20 05:47:26 PM
Climate Depot is not a reliable source of information for climatology or climate sciences in general. It is run by an employee of a conservative think tank, and receives most of it's funding from organizations who stand to lose greatly from climate change policies.

So no, submitter, this is not the "Checkmate, Libtards!" you're looking for.
 
2013-10-20 05:47:31 PM
Least extreme since 2005? That sounds a fun as "least on fire since 2005".
 
2013-10-20 05:48:27 PM
a = as

Stupid beer.
 
2013-10-20 05:59:35 PM
If Global Warming makes it so that we are like 70 to 71 degrees, year round. i won't be complaining.
 
2013-10-20 06:00:11 PM
In the US.
 
2013-10-20 06:07:15 PM
 
2013-10-20 06:11:43 PM
I blame global warming.
 
2013-10-20 06:19:28 PM

Fano: I blame global warming.


I blame global luke-warming.
 
2013-10-20 06:57:30 PM

T.rex: If Global Warming makes it so that we are like 70 to 71 degrees, year round. i won't be complaining.


It's hard to complain when you're underwater.
 
2013-10-20 07:00:27 PM

T.rex: If Global Warming makes it so that we are like 70 to 71 degrees, year round. i won't be complaining.


I like having a winter.  Keeps the pests in check.  This is what the pine bark beetle does if winter doesn't kill it off:
i2.wp.com
 
2013-10-20 07:06:08 PM

Stile4aly: T.rex: If Global Warming makes it so that we are like 70 to 71 degrees, year round. i won't be complaining.

It's hard to complain when you're underwater.


First thing I thought of:

i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2013-10-20 07:08:38 PM
Thanks rigthwing denier thinktank and propaganda outlet for keeping us infromed about one year of weather in the US.
 
2013-10-20 07:57:11 PM

hardinparamedic: Climate Depot is not a reliable source of information for climatology or climate sciences in general. It is run by an employee of a conservative think tank, and receives most of it's funding from organizations who stand to lose greatly from climate change policies.

So no, submitter, this is not the "Checkmate, Libtards!" you're looking for.


Fair points indeed but is there data suspect? I mean, I checked the site and it in fact shows external sources which are easily verified.
 
2013-10-20 08:03:22 PM

T.rex: If Global Warming makes it so that we are like 70 to 71 degrees, year round. i won't be complaining.


Move to Goroka.
 
2013-10-20 08:10:19 PM

crab66: Thanks rigthwing denier thinktank and propaganda outlet for keeping us infromed about one year of weather in the US.


I know, it's like the past 100 years of climate study have a real impact on billions of years of Earth changes proving that global warming is real.
 
2013-10-20 08:34:18 PM

Farktastic: Mild if you don't consider the massive flooding in Alberta or Colorado...


Or New York
 
2013-10-20 09:37:53 PM
Soooo.... weather is only relevant in the U.S. or what?
 
2013-10-20 09:47:37 PM

skozlaw: Soooo.... weather is only relevant in the U.S. or what?


Yes.
 
2013-10-20 09:51:07 PM
I'm a little tired of this. Either CO2 is a significant cause of global warming, or it's not. This is a simple chemistry question, which pretty clearly can be answered as "CO2 causes warming in the atmosphere". We can also ask "what does it do in the oceans?" and get the simple answer "it makes them more acidic". These are not mystery questions or hard to understand, the basis of how it works was established hundreds of years ago.

Now, if you have lots and lots of trees and algae turning this stuff into their bodies, basically maintaining a stable cycle, then it doesn't matter much. The atmosphere doesn't warm too much and the oceans don't get too acidic because it gets fixed in the bodies of algae and in trees. That's how it has worked for most of human history, a history that we too easily forget mostly consisted of the human world (cities, farms, etc) being a small fraction of the total world, with most of it being "wild lands" of some sort (including a much more productive ocean full of many more fish). Humans did not have substantial access to fossil fuels for most of this history and the human population worldwide was less than a billion for most of this history.

Now, we have billions of cars, factories, power plants, airplanes, ships, etc., the vast majority of which run on fossil fuels, which release CO2 into the atmosphere when burned. We know for a fact that in a very short time the amount of CO2 (and methane) in the atmosphere has increased substantially. This has an effect. It's changing the weather. Humans are causing it.

It's just like how humans have levelled forests, dirtied and diverted rivers and estuaries, and generally changed the face of the planet. New York (as well as Chesapeake Bay) was once known for producing oysters in such quantities that it is unbelievable today, now it does not. There are dead zones at the mouths of many rivers where there were formerly massively productive ecosystems with many fish and other types of life. Guess what? Humans are very good at changing the environment, just as beavers are very good at making big dams, and ants make anthills, and so on. We are bigger and very, very numerous for a large animal, plus we have tools like no other animal, so the changes are much more extreme.

AGW is not a radical proposition, it's a simple effect caused by modern industrial society. It's not hard to understand how it works, and saying that all that CO2 does nothing is pretty boneheaded. It's doesn't just go "away", it sticks around in the atmosphere or is absorbed into the oceans and does exactly what it has always done.
 
2013-10-20 09:53:51 PM

Enormous-Schwanstucker: hardinparamedic: Climate Depot is not a reliable source of information for climatology or climate sciences in general. It is run by an employee of a conservative think tank, and receives most of it's funding from organizations who stand to lose greatly from climate change policies.

So no, submitter, this is not the "Checkmate, Libtards!" you're looking for.

Fair points indeed but is there data suspect? I mean, I checked the site and it in fact shows external sources which are easily verified.


I don't think the data is suspect and normally I'd rally against a site like this. NOAA graphs/stats are easy to verify and these look right. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/09/ 06 /extreme-weather-snoozer-no-hurricanes-and-low-tornado-numbers-in-2013 /

Tornados:  http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/online/monthly/newm.html

Overall Numbers are down since 2012:
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/online/monthly/2012_annual_summary.htm l
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/online/monthly/2013_annual_summary.htm l

No hurricanes in the US, but Typhoons have been fairly active this year in Asia. Oceans are warmest on record right now, and average temps over the globe were 6th highest. You can't look at a couple things in weather and say, THIS DISPROVES CLIMATE CHANGE. There are thousands of events, and huge amounts of area outside of the US that you never hear about. That being the key, people tend to focus on our events as disproving the GLOBAL climate issue. Not saying that I 'believe' in global warming, but the theory is pretty darn sound.Predicting what climate will do, is an extremely daunting task though, there are millions of variables that we haven't really been able to track until the last 100 years. 

I wish scientists would keep announcing it as certainty, with so much uncertainty about how climate works exactly, what effects it and so on.
 
2013-10-20 10:00:48 PM

Stile4aly: T.rex: If Global Warming makes it so that we are like 70 to 71 degrees, year round. i won't be complaining.

It's hard to complain when you're underwater.


Or starving to death because America's breadbasket is now a desert.
 
2013-10-20 10:07:45 PM
i as well as the globe am underwhelmed
 
2013-10-20 10:15:22 PM

hardinparamedic: Climate Depot is not a reliable source of information for climatology or climate sciences in general. It is run by an employee of a conservative think tank, and receives most of it's funding from organizations who stand to lose greatly from climate change policies.

So no, submitter, this is not the "Checkmate, Libtards!" you're looking for.


So you only accept sources that agree with your opinion.
 
2013-10-20 10:15:39 PM
If they knew what they were doing, the air and water temps would have been climbing steadily since 2000 as CO2 concentrations have climbed since then. They haven't. They don't understand what's going on, so they should shut up already with the continuous doom and gloom predictions. They're undercutting their credibility. They've been crying wolf for so long people are beginning to tune them out.

If they were truly serious about controlling CO2, they would insist on deploying nuclear power ASAP. Instead, they keep yammering on about carbon taxes and controlling our lifestyle.
 
2013-10-20 10:16:46 PM

phimuskapsi: I wish scientists would keep announcing it as certainty, with so much uncertainty about how climate works exactly, what effects it and so on.


When you announce something as a certainty without scientifically knowing it as such, it's referred to as "faith".
 
2013-10-20 10:17:45 PM
The corporations who run this planet simply don't care. We are slowly being killed by our own relentless greed. And we'll be damned if we don't take every other life form on this us into oblivion.
 
2013-10-20 10:18:59 PM

Prophet of Loss: The corporations who run this planet simply don't care. We are slowly being killed by our own relentless greed. And we'll be damned if we don't take every other life form on this planet with us into oblivion.

 
2013-10-20 10:27:04 PM
Wow since 2005? Do they really have records that go back that far?
 
2013-10-20 10:43:49 PM

Oakenshield: phimuskapsi: I wish scientists would keep announcing it as certainty, with so much uncertainty about how climate works exactly, what effects it and so on.

When you announce something as a certainty without scientifically knowing it as such, it's referred to as "faith".


Which is why it really bothers me.
 
2013-10-20 11:06:00 PM
 
2013-10-20 11:11:18 PM

Ned Stark: wake me in 2070 when climate change isn't a net positive anymore.


Now look, I know for you personally and for the rest of the North Winter not coming would be a wonderful thing.  But think of the rest of Westeros for once.
 
2013-10-20 11:19:03 PM

Sensei Can You See: SurfaceTension: It's looking like winter is going to make up for it. Cold and snowy in north America.

Cold? In North America? During the winter???

Somebody call Al Gore!


GLOBAL WARMING GLOBAL COOLING CLIMATE CHANGE NATURAL CYCLES DEADLY WEATHER is upon us!
 
2013-10-20 11:56:22 PM
Do any of you people stroking your chins and nodding, "Hmm. Intredasting" actually understand how much of an implicit strawman this is?

Let's make a wager. $100 to the charity of your choice if you can provide a citation from a peer reviewed paper published in an actual physical science journal that claims climate change necessitates that every year in the US should have more extreme weather than the year before.

Any takers?
 
2013-10-21 12:06:06 AM

RedVentrue: hardinparamedic: Climate Depot is not a reliable source of information for climatology or climate sciences in general. It is run by an employee of a conservative think tank, and receives most of it's funding from organizations who stand to lose greatly from climate change policies.

So no, submitter, this is not the "Checkmate, Libtards!" you're looking for.

So you only accept sources that agree with your opinion.


(A) Climate scientists who predict global warming are unreliable because they're just lining up for the paltry scraps of funding that the NSF offers them.

(B) Shills who deny global warming for that sweet, sweet ExxonMobil cash are perfectly reliable.

If you don't see the contradiction between (A) and (B), you might be a wingnut.
 
2013-10-21 12:38:45 AM
i.imgur.com

Although there are some individual years are anticorrelated or don't line up, the general tendency is for extremes to increase during warmer years.

So if you aren't an abject moron and recognize that it's going to continue to get hotter (over the long run, not monotonically), then chortling because 2013 is less extreme than some of the preceding years looks pretty asinine, doesn't it?

Data are CONUS CEI without TCs vs. temp anomaly scaled for comparison, for the period 1940-2012, anomaly computed relative to a 1901-2000 baseline.
 
2013-10-21 01:00:37 AM
Massive amounts of data and scientific consensus = no evidence.

A few nice days days = complete refutatition of any human impact whatsoever.

=Profit-driven conservative "logic".
 
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